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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 08:50:00 -
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erm.. have anyone done this mission?
I mean c'mon you need a battleship to do this, the second section contains 3-4 caldari sentry guns II (and some rats beside them)
that's 60 base shield/armor (mixed dmg sorts) per cannon every 1,75sec with a optimal range of 500km
(according to eve-i http://www.eve-i.com/home/crowley/page/page_objectexplorer.php?id=663 )
My Ishtar got its armor dropped like a sink and i hade a t2 armor rep going with these resistances:
68 % EM
58.35 % Exp
87 % Kin
74 % Ther
does that seem balanced for a lvl3 mission?
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Hailstorm
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hailstorm on 10/07/2005 11:03:16
Yeah I got this mission yesterday, and it was impossible to solo with my battlecruiser. I'm not sure if CCP intended these to be team missions, but as it stands you do need a battleship or multiple battlecruisers to solo this one. The same goes for the "Spy Stash" mission, where you run into four sentry IIs that fire havoc heavy missiles doing 450(!) damage everytime.
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killboy Powerhead
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:40:00 -
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ItÆs a tough one and I ended up doing it in the Raven
They might have shagged the missiles but it still shield tanks well and kills the big guns.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:19:00 -
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I got this mission 4 times in a row :/ managed it in a Brutix though, used long range ammo against the sentry guns. Had to warp out once :)
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Ynaig
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:46:00 -
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I didn't have a problem with this mission in my ishtar, however i also noticed eating my armor to the hull but the trick is to orbit close a sentry till your armor repairer can manage the rest of the damage.
Ynaig
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Apople
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:59:00 -
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I've been doing this one in a ferox. As mentioned, the 'insert race name' sentry II's are the bad guys, so I gate in, take out 1 or 2 if I can, forget everything else, have shield boost & hardeners running as I'm going in, immediately aim towards my safe station, and then as soon as I'm into armor, I warp out. It normally takes me one warpout and in before the mission is tankable and it's easier after that.
I wouldn't ask for this to be made easier. It's a fun mission. The first time I did another new mission (I think spy stash), it was also a surprise, but once you get a read on who to kill first, its ok.
A bug, which I hear may be old, should get your attention: When warping out, don't wait until you're into armor, because I was still taking hits 6au out at my safespot ;) I had to go to another station to escape them. 12+ au is the charm.
We wind up just making the missions predictable by asking for them to be dumbed down.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Apople
I've been doing this one in a ferox. As mentioned, the 'insert race name' sentry II's are the bad guys, so I gate in, take out 1 or 2 if I can, forget everything else, have shield boost & hardeners running as I'm going in, immediately aim towards my safe station, and then as soon as I'm into armor, I warp out. It normally takes me one warpout and in before the mission is tankable and it's easier after that.
I wouldn't ask for this to be made easier. It's a fun mission. The first time I did another new mission (I think spy stash), it was also a surprise, but once you get a read on who to kill first, its ok.
A bug, which I hear may be old, should get your attention: When warping out, don't wait until you're into armor, because I was still taking hits 6au out at my safespot ;) I had to go to another station to escape them. 12+ au is the charm.
We wind up just making the missions predictable by asking for them to be dumbed down.
well i do like a challange as well.. but when a elit cruiser worth 60m and with a "main skill" that takes 23 days to train can't even get close to handle the sentrys.. i'd say something is fishy :/
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Apople
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:58:00 -
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TD: I get the drift. I was only talking about 'ideal' (meaning low-lag) conditions. Given the slightest problem with lag, or your first time in, the a) surprise, b) or lag, could be enough to get you killed regardless of cruiser-type.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Apople
TD: I get the drift. I was only talking about 'ideal' (meaning low-lag) conditions. Given the slightest problem with lag, or your first time in, the a) surprise, b) or lag, could be enough to get you killed regardless of cruiser-type.
na, I was fine.
and i did survive=)
but i couldn't do enough dmg to kill anything, get my drones back and warp out before i would have been blown to pieces
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Tindajii
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Posted - 2005.07.10 17:35:00 -
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I completed this mission in an Enyo. It took a lot longer than the normal missions. I ended up going for the sentrys first and orbiting them at 8km with an AB. I only took a full hit about once every orbit allowing my armor rep to keep up. I had to be sneaky about how I approached each sentry. You can't just fly straight at them in an AF or they tear into you.
A faster ship might be better off for this one.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 17:40:00 -
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well, just bought a cyclone now, was going to see if a longrange setup would worked well
if not, maybe a AF would work better.
or just a typhoon longR setup=)
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2005.07.10 17:50:00 -
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What about remote sensor dampers? In the past I've heard about gankers using that tactic for gate sentries.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Asharee Intrefer
What about remote sensor dampers? In the past I've heard about gankers using that tactic for gate sentries.
hmm.. that might be an idÚ
the cyclone defintly didn't work, now i'm trying with my propechy:D
hope this will work better, abit more armor tanked then the ishtar
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Ziyal Nashir
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Posted - 2005.07.10 19:28:00 -
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Get an AF for the second part, it's really easy then as long as you keep moving :) With some fancy flying the turrets will miss you all the time (don't approach them head on), and the mercenaries there will miss you most of the time as well. Did the first part in my muninn, but clearly a med. shield booster alone didn't keep up with the damage I received from those turrets (couldn't outrange them either). Dusted off my Wolf to finish the mission.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 20:34:46
YAY!
i did it!
amarrs might be bloodsucking fanatics, but they do build damn nice ships=)
after first warping in and out killing of the ships i then took out the sentrys in one round.
those things can't hit for 0,5isk when you move at speeds above 400ms close(-12km) to them.
edit: oh and ya, it was with the prophecy
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:38:00 -
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My deimos didn't have much trouble doing it, and I was going on base therm/kin resists since I was expecting mostly mercenaries. Think it's the most challenging lvl 3 atm though. Or close enough. Those sentries are hard until you get into a position to avoid most of their fire.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 20:46:00
my question is..
how are people that havn't played for a year+ and have alot of isk like us going to do this?
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Najira
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:49:00 -
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Just did it in my autocannon vagabond, 20 min from first kill to last, shield booster held out perfectly. Speed is you friend here.
Hadn't seen any cruise missile batteries in a lvl 3 before, was a bit surprised by that. They have an abysmal refire rate luckily.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 21:01:58
Originally by: Najira
Just did it in my autocannon vagabond, 20 min from first kill to last, shield booster held out perfectly. Speed is you friend here.
Hadn't seen any cruise missile batteries in a lvl 3 before, was a bit surprised by that. They have an abysmal refire rate luckily.
those cruise launchers kinda makes it impossible for drone users :/
since they swap targets
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.07.10 22:28:00 -
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I wasnt aware of any push towards making lvl3s a group effort.
frankly anything like that would be stupid, as the rewards are simply too small to be worth sharing.
Not that i mind getting 1.2k lp for this mission, but it's a little too hard, considering the sort of pilots lvl3s are ideally aimed at.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.10 22:33:00 -
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I've soloed it both in an Enyo, and in a Brutix. Yes, thats right, the Brutix, which everyone thinks is the worst BC. And i didn't even have drones or hardeners.
Yes, the mission requires rewarping, and some rats will scramble you, but it's still a lot of LPs for only 2 part deadspace.
For the 2400 LPs that i got, it was definitely a worthy mission.
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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Aldanor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 03:13:00 -
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The black market hub isnt the hardest new one - wait till u hit the spy stash, warp scrambling frigs, heavy missile turrets that do 400dmg, some of those gun turrets plus a bunch of cruisers. Wolf didnt even pop one of the frigs before it was space dust.  |
Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.11 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist
I've soloed it both in an Enyo, and in a Brutix. Yes, thats right, the Brutix, which everyone thinks is the worst BC. And i didn't even have drones or hardeners.
Yes, the mission requires rewarping, and some rats will scramble you, but it's still a lot of LPs for only 2 part deadspace.
For the 2400 LPs that i got, it was definitely a worthy mission.
who says the brutix is the worse ?
I think all BC are really great at what they're supposed to do, exect the cylone maybe.
and 2,4k LP?!
i got like 750...=(
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Physicist
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Posted - 2005.07.11 13:18:00 -
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I just did Black Market Hub in my Prophecy after being introduced to lvl3 missions with Spy Stash in an Arbitrator.
The ships aren't the real issue. It's the amazing damage from the sentries that's disturbing.
I had to warp out after killing each ship in black market 2nd room. Once they were gone tanking the sentries wasn't too harsh. Just made me jumpy. Challenging to say the least.
Cruise Missile sentries that do 400+dmg are scary!
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.11 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Darkwing
Originally by: Sadist
I've soloed it both in an Enyo, and in a Brutix. Yes, thats right, the Brutix, which everyone thinks is the worst BC. And i didn't even have drones or hardeners.
Yes, the mission requires rewarping, and some rats will scramble you, but it's still a lot of LPs for only 2 part deadspace.
For the 2400 LPs that i got, it was definitely a worthy mission.
who says the brutix is the worse?
I think all BC are really great at what they're supposed to do, exect the cylone maybe.
and 2,4k LP?!
i got like 750...=(
Advanced connection skills ftw. 
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:36:00 -
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Ya the mission was a bit of a suprise. The first one I got ripped me appart for the fact that I was a little unprepared for the sentury damages. The second time in my "cyclone" I had no probablem once I knew what I had to do. Take out the sentures first, keep range on the other ships. May have had to warp out once but not sure I think I may have made it with out warping out.
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.07.11 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Darkwing
Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 20:46:00
my question is..
how are people that havn't played for a year+ and have alot of isk like us going to do this?
4 and a half month old character with only 30mill in my wallet here and that's only because I just sold my Prophecy. Despite this my Retri makes short work of this mission, hell it makes short work of every Lv3 and when I get better skills will be doing the same to Lv4s (I can already do the normal-space ones).
Seriously, Assault Frigs fly through agent missions.
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KatieMorgan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: KatieMorgan on 11/07/2005 23:59:20
I've soloed it in my Enyo, had to warp out twice - once because I forgot to put a web on and the second time due to rude awakening I got from those sentry's. I think they could do with a slight toneing down damagewise, but otherwise this is quite a good mission,.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:22:00 -
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I've been doing level 3 missions in a caracal without much trouble, have a great setup on it, but this mission was the first one I really didn't think I could do.
Got through the first area with some trouble, but that second area was bad enough without the ships assisting the second I tried to kill the turrets.
Makes me feel better that it wasn't just me having trouble with it. Eve started crashing every few minutes after I warped out though, so didn't ever get to go back and give it another try.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2005.07.12 08:09:00 -
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This mission is really an unusual lvl 3 mission. Much harder than average. Atm I'm doing lvl 3s in armageddon (the only thing I can do atm as lvl 4's were nerfed). All lvl 3's I can do without any problem, but the last stage in Ciminal Hub was challenging (although I know I didn't use the right type of hardeners). Anyway, I think that the 2-nd stage is very hard for battlecruisers and cruisers, much harder than any other lvl 3.
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