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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 08:50:00 -
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erm.. have anyone done this mission?
I mean c'mon you need a battleship to do this, the second section contains 3-4 caldari sentry guns II (and some rats beside them)
that's 60 base shield/armor (mixed dmg sorts) per cannon every 1,75sec with a optimal range of 500km
(according to eve-i http://www.eve-i.com/home/crowley/page/page_objectexplorer.php?id=663 )
My Ishtar got its armor dropped like a sink and i hade a t2 armor rep going with these resistances:
68 % EM
58.35 % Exp
87 % Kin
74 % Ther
does that seem balanced for a lvl3 mission?
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Hailstorm
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hailstorm on 10/07/2005 11:03:16
Yeah I got this mission yesterday, and it was impossible to solo with my battlecruiser. I'm not sure if CCP intended these to be team missions, but as it stands you do need a battleship or multiple battlecruisers to solo this one. The same goes for the "Spy Stash" mission, where you run into four sentry IIs that fire havoc heavy missiles doing 450(!) damage everytime.
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killboy Powerhead
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Posted - 2005.07.10 11:40:00 -
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ItÆs a tough one and I ended up doing it in the Raven
They might have shagged the missiles but it still shield tanks well and kills the big guns.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:19:00 -
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I got this mission 4 times in a row :/ managed it in a Brutix though, used long range ammo against the sentry guns. Had to warp out once :)
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Ynaig
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:46:00 -
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I didn't have a problem with this mission in my ishtar, however i also noticed eating my armor to the hull but the trick is to orbit close a sentry till your armor repairer can manage the rest of the damage.
Ynaig
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Apople
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Posted - 2005.07.10 13:59:00 -
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I've been doing this one in a ferox. As mentioned, the 'insert race name' sentry II's are the bad guys, so I gate in, take out 1 or 2 if I can, forget everything else, have shield boost & hardeners running as I'm going in, immediately aim towards my safe station, and then as soon as I'm into armor, I warp out. It normally takes me one warpout and in before the mission is tankable and it's easier after that.
I wouldn't ask for this to be made easier. It's a fun mission. The first time I did another new mission (I think spy stash), it was also a surprise, but once you get a read on who to kill first, its ok.
A bug, which I hear may be old, should get your attention: When warping out, don't wait until you're into armor, because I was still taking hits 6au out at my safespot ;) I had to go to another station to escape them. 12+ au is the charm.
We wind up just making the missions predictable by asking for them to be dumbed down.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Apople
I've been doing this one in a ferox. As mentioned, the 'insert race name' sentry II's are the bad guys, so I gate in, take out 1 or 2 if I can, forget everything else, have shield boost & hardeners running as I'm going in, immediately aim towards my safe station, and then as soon as I'm into armor, I warp out. It normally takes me one warpout and in before the mission is tankable and it's easier after that.
I wouldn't ask for this to be made easier. It's a fun mission. The first time I did another new mission (I think spy stash), it was also a surprise, but once you get a read on who to kill first, its ok.
A bug, which I hear may be old, should get your attention: When warping out, don't wait until you're into armor, because I was still taking hits 6au out at my safespot ;) I had to go to another station to escape them. 12+ au is the charm.
We wind up just making the missions predictable by asking for them to be dumbed down.
well i do like a challange as well.. but when a elit cruiser worth 60m and with a "main skill" that takes 23 days to train can't even get close to handle the sentrys.. i'd say something is fishy :/
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Apople
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Posted - 2005.07.10 14:58:00 -
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TD: I get the drift. I was only talking about 'ideal' (meaning low-lag) conditions. Given the slightest problem with lag, or your first time in, the a) surprise, b) or lag, could be enough to get you killed regardless of cruiser-type.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Apople
TD: I get the drift. I was only talking about 'ideal' (meaning low-lag) conditions. Given the slightest problem with lag, or your first time in, the a) surprise, b) or lag, could be enough to get you killed regardless of cruiser-type.
na, I was fine.
and i did survive=)
but i couldn't do enough dmg to kill anything, get my drones back and warp out before i would have been blown to pieces
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Tindajii
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Posted - 2005.07.10 17:35:00 -
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I completed this mission in an Enyo. It took a lot longer than the normal missions. I ended up going for the sentrys first and orbiting them at 8km with an AB. I only took a full hit about once every orbit allowing my armor rep to keep up. I had to be sneaky about how I approached each sentry. You can't just fly straight at them in an AF or they tear into you.
A faster ship might be better off for this one.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 17:40:00 -
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well, just bought a cyclone now, was going to see if a longrange setup would worked well
if not, maybe a AF would work better.
or just a typhoon longR setup=)
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2005.07.10 17:50:00 -
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What about remote sensor dampers? In the past I've heard about gankers using that tactic for gate sentries.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Asharee Intrefer
What about remote sensor dampers? In the past I've heard about gankers using that tactic for gate sentries.
hmm.. that might be an idÚ
the cyclone defintly didn't work, now i'm trying with my propechy:D
hope this will work better, abit more armor tanked then the ishtar
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Ziyal Nashir
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Posted - 2005.07.10 19:28:00 -
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Get an AF for the second part, it's really easy then as long as you keep moving :) With some fancy flying the turrets will miss you all the time (don't approach them head on), and the mercenaries there will miss you most of the time as well. Did the first part in my muninn, but clearly a med. shield booster alone didn't keep up with the damage I received from those turrets (couldn't outrange them either). Dusted off my Wolf to finish the mission.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 20:34:46
YAY!
i did it!
amarrs might be bloodsucking fanatics, but they do build damn nice ships=)
after first warping in and out killing of the ships i then took out the sentrys in one round.
those things can't hit for 0,5isk when you move at speeds above 400ms close(-12km) to them.
edit: oh and ya, it was with the prophecy
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:38:00 -
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My deimos didn't have much trouble doing it, and I was going on base therm/kin resists since I was expecting mostly mercenaries. Think it's the most challenging lvl 3 atm though. Or close enough. Those sentries are hard until you get into a position to avoid most of their fire.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 20:46:00
my question is..
how are people that havn't played for a year+ and have alot of isk like us going to do this?
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Najira
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Posted - 2005.07.10 20:49:00 -
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Just did it in my autocannon vagabond, 20 min from first kill to last, shield booster held out perfectly. Speed is you friend here.
Hadn't seen any cruise missile batteries in a lvl 3 before, was a bit surprised by that. They have an abysmal refire rate luckily.
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.10 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 21:01:58
Originally by: Najira
Just did it in my autocannon vagabond, 20 min from first kill to last, shield booster held out perfectly. Speed is you friend here.
Hadn't seen any cruise missile batteries in a lvl 3 before, was a bit surprised by that. They have an abysmal refire rate luckily.
those cruise launchers kinda makes it impossible for drone users :/
since they swap targets
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.07.10 22:28:00 -
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I wasnt aware of any push towards making lvl3s a group effort.
frankly anything like that would be stupid, as the rewards are simply too small to be worth sharing.
Not that i mind getting 1.2k lp for this mission, but it's a little too hard, considering the sort of pilots lvl3s are ideally aimed at.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.10 22:33:00 -
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I've soloed it both in an Enyo, and in a Brutix. Yes, thats right, the Brutix, which everyone thinks is the worst BC. And i didn't even have drones or hardeners.
Yes, the mission requires rewarping, and some rats will scramble you, but it's still a lot of LPs for only 2 part deadspace.
For the 2400 LPs that i got, it was definitely a worthy mission.
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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Aldanor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 03:13:00 -
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The black market hub isnt the hardest new one - wait till u hit the spy stash, warp scrambling frigs, heavy missile turrets that do 400dmg, some of those gun turrets plus a bunch of cruisers. Wolf didnt even pop one of the frigs before it was space dust.  |
Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.11 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist
I've soloed it both in an Enyo, and in a Brutix. Yes, thats right, the Brutix, which everyone thinks is the worst BC. And i didn't even have drones or hardeners.
Yes, the mission requires rewarping, and some rats will scramble you, but it's still a lot of LPs for only 2 part deadspace.
For the 2400 LPs that i got, it was definitely a worthy mission.
who says the brutix is the worse ?
I think all BC are really great at what they're supposed to do, exect the cylone maybe.
and 2,4k LP?!
i got like 750...=(
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Physicist
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Posted - 2005.07.11 13:18:00 -
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I just did Black Market Hub in my Prophecy after being introduced to lvl3 missions with Spy Stash in an Arbitrator.
The ships aren't the real issue. It's the amazing damage from the sentries that's disturbing.
I had to warp out after killing each ship in black market 2nd room. Once they were gone tanking the sentries wasn't too harsh. Just made me jumpy. Challenging to say the least.
Cruise Missile sentries that do 400+dmg are scary!
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.11 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Darkwing
Originally by: Sadist
I've soloed it both in an Enyo, and in a Brutix. Yes, thats right, the Brutix, which everyone thinks is the worst BC. And i didn't even have drones or hardeners.
Yes, the mission requires rewarping, and some rats will scramble you, but it's still a lot of LPs for only 2 part deadspace.
For the 2400 LPs that i got, it was definitely a worthy mission.
who says the brutix is the worse?
I think all BC are really great at what they're supposed to do, exect the cylone maybe.
and 2,4k LP?!
i got like 750...=(
Advanced connection skills ftw. 
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:36:00 -
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Ya the mission was a bit of a suprise. The first one I got ripped me appart for the fact that I was a little unprepared for the sentury damages. The second time in my "cyclone" I had no probablem once I knew what I had to do. Take out the sentures first, keep range on the other ships. May have had to warp out once but not sure I think I may have made it with out warping out.
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.07.11 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Darkwing
Edited by: Thor Darkwing on 10/07/2005 20:46:00
my question is..
how are people that havn't played for a year+ and have alot of isk like us going to do this?
4 and a half month old character with only 30mill in my wallet here and that's only because I just sold my Prophecy. Despite this my Retri makes short work of this mission, hell it makes short work of every Lv3 and when I get better skills will be doing the same to Lv4s (I can already do the normal-space ones).
Seriously, Assault Frigs fly through agent missions.
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KatieMorgan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: KatieMorgan on 11/07/2005 23:59:20
I've soloed it in my Enyo, had to warp out twice - once because I forgot to put a web on and the second time due to rude awakening I got from those sentry's. I think they could do with a slight toneing down damagewise, but otherwise this is quite a good mission,.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:22:00 -
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I've been doing level 3 missions in a caracal without much trouble, have a great setup on it, but this mission was the first one I really didn't think I could do.
Got through the first area with some trouble, but that second area was bad enough without the ships assisting the second I tried to kill the turrets.
Makes me feel better that it wasn't just me having trouble with it. Eve started crashing every few minutes after I warped out though, so didn't ever get to go back and give it another try.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2005.07.12 08:09:00 -
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This mission is really an unusual lvl 3 mission. Much harder than average. Atm I'm doing lvl 3s in armageddon (the only thing I can do atm as lvl 4's were nerfed). All lvl 3's I can do without any problem, but the last stage in Ciminal Hub was challenging (although I know I didn't use the right type of hardeners). Anyway, I think that the 2-nd stage is very hard for battlecruisers and cruisers, much harder than any other lvl 3.
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elFarto
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Posted - 2005.07.12 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hailstorm
The same goes for the "Spy Stash" mission, where you run into four sentry IIs that fire havoc heavy missiles doing 450(!) damage everytime.
Hmm, I remember doing this mission a few days ago in my ferox. The only sentries I rememeber where the ones in the first area. But they were only firing light missiles.
I didn't have any real issues with this mission, except for when I went to pull a rat and go more than I bargined for  Instead of getting the 1 or 2 I expected, I got about 10 of them  .
Regards
elFarto
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SUMZER0
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:16:00 -
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I just did this mission last night. I really dont understand what the problem is. I decided to do it in a Brutix so that I could get a good judge on what this thread was about. Now I only have about 6 mil SP, but I never once even had to turn on the second Armor Rep. Even in light of the Sentries in the second room. The first thing I did when I seen them was take them out, and yes they did get me to armor pretty fast but 1 Large T2 Armor Rep was enough to Tank them. Maybe its more of a stratagy thing then a ship or SP fault.
Take out the Sentries Frist!!!!
Senior Director~~~Order Of The Arrow |
Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.12 20:59:00 -
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Quote:
but 1 Large T2 Armor Rep was enough to Tank them
And what do you fit for guns with that tank?
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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caymesse
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Posted - 2005.07.13 16:24:00 -
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Did it last night in my muninn with a friend in a zealot. No real probs. The slow rof on the cruise batteries helps of course, and with my mate on a short range setup killing little uns, and my muninn on a long range killin sentries and cruisers it all went swimmingly.
Loot drop laughable as usual.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.07.14 02:34:00 -
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Had this mission happen to me today, so rather reluctantly took it (deadspace makes me fall asleep really fast) ... am guessing it was toned down in the latest patch, and is now very doable in battlecruiser (on par with other lvl.3 missions i can remember)
Cruise batteries in first room don't fire until shot upon, and if you shoot at them from ~50 km then immediately fire a defender, it'll shoot down the cruise easily (the batteries fire slow enough to pretty much ensure you aren't going to see more than one missile per battery)
In the second room the sentries were limited to one Caldari Sentry II and one Caldari Sentry I. The damage output is still kinda nasty, but can tank them long enough to kill the tech.2 sentry, then tech.1 and then it's easy ride with remaining ships. Warped out once after killing the first sentry, more to be on safe side than out of necessity...
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Adamski
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Posted - 2005.12.05 14:24:00 -
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Hey All,
I am about to do this in a retribution. Any hints?
Setup something like this -
4 x dual light beam - MS
NOS
ABII
Small Rep II
Kinetic Hardner
Adaptive Nano
2 x CPR
Have done Angel Extravaganza no probs so not sure about this one.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2005.12.05 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 05/12/2005 14:41:23
Too easy in a cerb - make it harder please
But seriously its a nice mission, One in which you have to think and keep ones brain in gear. Would be nice to see a few more of them like that imho.
Regards
Al Thorr
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Riechao
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Posted - 2005.12.05 15:57:00 -
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I think this was the second level 3 mission I did, then i proceeded to get 3 spy stash missions in a row. Anyways, I do almost all the lvl 3 missions solo in an Ishkur (lost my enyo to a webber on the first lvl III mission).
It's not a pretty setup, but I have
3x150mm II's with iridium chargers
AB, 2 cap relays,
PDS, Rep II and one of those nifty 20% cap relays for the low slot.
Anyways, it's enough that I never run out of cap, a problem I had been having when running the Enyo with 4 blaster II's AB, Rep, web etc. Problem is, it makes the missions really slow even with the 5 medium drones plinking away at everything. Retribution shouldn't have any problem solo-ing this.
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.12.05 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Al Thorr
Edited by: Al Thorr on 05/12/2005 14:41:23
Too easy in a cerb - make it harder please
But seriously its a nice mission, One in which you have to think and keep ones brain in gear. Would be nice to see a few more of them like that imho.
Regards
Al Thorr
The man speaks the truth.
I would like to see a few more tough lvl 3's.
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Harum Skarum
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Posted - 2005.12.05 17:42:00 -
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Just do LVL4s if LVL3s are too easy, if they make them any harder new players will have to resort to mining to make isk.
Black market hub and Spy Stash could however use the red warining text that missions like Mordus Headhunters have atm.
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Willo Vasquez
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Posted - 2005.12.05 17:47:00 -
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Without doubt it's one of the toughest level 3's, just for that second section. The first is a peice of cake, but those sentries on the second stage are nasty.
I found the best tactic is to either :get in close and fast and just blast away at the guns first, then bail if you need to, or just sic your drones on the guns and rep like a mofo!
I've done this in a thorax solo, so it is possible, but one this mission isn't is easy.
Make it easier? No, not in my opinion.
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.12.05 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Harum Skarum
Just do LVL4s if LVL3s are too easy, if they make them any harder new players will have to resort to mining to make isk.
Black market hub and Spy Stash could however use the red warining text that missions like Mordus Headhunters have atm.
A lot of people decline certain lvl4 missions if flying solo. Couldn't a lvl3 mission runner decline black market hub or spy stash if they find them too tough? It's nice to have the odd lvl3 mission which stretches a pilot.
I see your point about the red text though.
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Drayce
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Posted - 2005.12.05 19:01:00 -
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Lost a Ferox on a BMH (or was it spy stash, always mix up those two) once but only because I wasn't thinking and didn't take out the scrammer frigs first.
So long as you hit the frigs first and at least one of the sentrys next you should be able to whittle them down without a warp out.
Since I got my Harpy and have it fitted with the good 'ol Gistii hardware (AB and SB) I've had no issues with level 3s at all. No need to make em easier in my humble opinion 
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Elliott Manchild
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Posted - 2005.12.05 22:45:00 -
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hmm this mission I can solo tank everything in there in my deimos with a close range blastersetup and can keep medium rep II going forever and have default restistances just have a exp hardner(55%).
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Linia
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:07:00 -
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whats wrong with you ppls!?!?!
I do this mission SUPER EASY in both my Enyo and Ferox!!
I dont get what you need BS, HAC or anything like that for? All lvl 3s is easy, no matter which one, my Enyo and Ferox has withstand them all?
No need to nerf anything?
And no I am no super gunnery person, can merely use 150mm Railgun II and heavy missiles in lvl 3 so not really anything big.. They are easy, believe me. If you want my setups just sa so. My bro is also doing his in a Retribution now WITH T1 GUNS!!!
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Lorette
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Posted - 2005.12.05 23:33:00 -
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Well they take a while (spy stash/BMH) but i wouldnt call em hard.
For ex. Black market hub (for me) foolproof way of winning
Usually i jump in turn on AB, SB and take out...
1) frigs (theres usually 2 which can be taken out quick)
2) warp out (usually 10% shields at this point)
3) back in take out turret #1
4) warp out (again almost no shields left)
5) repeat 3+4 for the 2nd turret
6) finally finish of the 2 cruisers.
Maybe ill have 20% armor damage at the end which is no biggy to heal up back at the station.
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Pudoris
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Posted - 2005.12.06 01:22:00 -
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they are harder then the rest so a warning text would be nice...
sacrilege, (overkill for it) had a fitting with 1 small tII repper, 3 hardners, did not have a problem there with my tank. No warping out.
retribution, well as any mission with it, dont get webbed while aggroed by a lot of things. No warpouts as well.
Sorry to say I have not tried it in any other ships. But it makes you have to be alert at least. Not as much afking the lvl3¦s. Glad for some hardish missions at lvl3.
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Ricky Baby
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Posted - 2005.12.06 08:29:00 -
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ill add my thing to this
i have done both of those missions solo in a ferox without warping off, there easy if your ship is set up right - BMH, 5x250mm, 2 assult, med booster II, boost amp, 2x phoyon scattering, thermal hardener, 3 PDU's, Magstab 2. same set up on spy stash aprt from 1 hardener goes to a web and the other two are kinetic thermal.
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Asgard Jr
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Posted - 2005.12.06 11:20:00 -
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yikes, I haven't done this mission yet, sounds fun. As I noticed some have said the Spy Stash was hard, and I learned that turning and running works ..cake walk!! So I will try this mission for the first time when Eve comes back up and also re-edite my post.... But if its that hard maybe a tad alterrating should come in order..
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Sayid
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:00:00 -
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I can do it mostly without warping out in my Eagle. (i must admit, i run a gistii small shield tank, which is cap-stable even with guns running, try that with a med booster t2 ...)
This mission, together with Spy Stash, is the only mission that has the potential to get me into armor and warp out, sometimes...
The trick is as descriped earlier: focus on those sentries!
They're just on my optimal with AM ammo (40km), so i can get rid of them pretty fast, then go for the mercenary commanders (they should now be 20-30km away), they hit hard too, go for the frigs last!
Also: i dont use hardeners, I have 2x medium shield extender II, for just over 4k shield total.
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Dorah Hawkwing
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:40:00 -
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*shrug* It was the first lvl 3 mission I've ever flown. I successfully completed it in my Prophecy fitted with beams.
My usuall setup contains 4 med beams and 2 small pulsers, thus I was able to deal with the wingmen.
I had to warp out with some hull damage on stage two that one time. Came back, finished them off.
Afterwards I knew to include the following in my setups:
A webber to slow the wingmen down.
4 medium pulsers instead of beams.
And knew to take out the Sentry II as first target.
(for those interrested, that was with my BC Skill at lvl 3... and 3 moths on my char)
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2005.12.06 13:11:00 -
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Sacred Badger
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Posted - 2005.12.06 13:23:00 -
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I can do this no problems in my Ishkur.
Once i get to the second stage, I go full burn to the nearest sentry and kill it, then to the second sentry and kill that.
The ships can't hit you for diddley, so once the turrets die you can take them out...
Easy.
TBH I have more hassle from the 2 Merc Wingman in the first stage... damn webbers!
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:11:00 -
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This is easily doable in a BC.
1) Have decent skills. They dont have to be uber, but you need slightly better skills than any of the other missions due to the 4 sentries. 3 million should be easily sufficient.
2) Mount 2 launchers. Using defenders this cuts out the missile damage totally, and you can switch them for damaging missiles when needed.
3) Use long range guns so you dont have to burn valuable tanking cap on an AB to get into sentry range faster.
4) Mount a multi-damage type tank: sentry turrets do ALL damage types. Use adaptive nanos if armour tanking or new invuln fields if shield. This is where people most often go wrong as they tank just the two racial damage types from their race's rats.
5) Blow up: Sentry Turrets -> Small Ships -> Large Ships -> Missile Turrets. Most people I find have trouble with many missions because they kill in the wrong order.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:35:00 -
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This mission is fine.
In fact, i liked it better when it had 4 turrets in the 2nd stage instead of the nerfed 2.
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Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
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Aralon
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Posted - 2005.12.06 18:27:00 -
[56]
All the lvl 3's are easy in BC's with skills. I use a ferox with 3 large shield extenders II's, a named shield recharger, and 4 pdu II's. With 13500 shield and a good recharge rate I just laugh at the sentries.
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Kuntman
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Posted - 2005.12.06 18:54:00 -
[57]
Well i manage to do BMH with a cyclone but i had to warp out on 2nd room one or twice due to fact that each time i do i warp, that i kill one sentry and warp again to recharge shield
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Godpool
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:36:00 -
[58]
Stop all this!
These missions are all so weak, so easy, just stop it.
If you're in an enyo, your complaint is this.
I'm in one frigate, outnumbered 50 to one. If you count the mass of the enemy ships, including cruisers, I am outnumbered 100 to one.
Still, I insist, I demand that I can use my frigate to take on odds of 100 to 1. Yes, that is right, one of me needs to kill 100 of them. They have 100 times my fire power, 100 times my mass, yet I insist that I can beat them in a frigate.
Ok, I'm harsh but this is the truth. It's a little bit better odds for a BC, but then it is doable.
Look at it this way.
Hey, devs, you know all your missions have a loss rate of 0.0 %. I mean when I go get more beer and come back, the loss rate is 0.0 %. If I have to go pee, the loss rate jumps to about 1%. If I'm eating dinner with my left hand, and typing with my right, the loss rate is like 2%.
Now, let me tell you about black market hub! The loss rate is like 10%. Yep, 10%. Not only that but I can't eat, drink or pee. This must stop now! Please nerf it! I mean, seriously, you want these missions to be a challenge? You mean I can't take on 30 50,000 ton cruisers in ONE frigate? Come on!
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:51:00 -
[59]
i've never had any problems with sentries. i just activate my afterburner and start orbitting while killing the rats.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:57:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Sadist on 06/12/2005 21:59:19
[sarcasm]
Nerf spy stash now plz. 
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Sadist - harsh to the idiots, kind to the smart
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lord masher
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Posted - 2005.12.06 22:35:00 -
[61]
it can be hard if not done right .i do it solo in a apoc and my friend has no problem in a prophecy.
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Tribunal
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Posted - 2005.12.06 22:57:00 -
[62]
Black Market Hub is a mission I love to see show up now. Takes about 30mins to finish in my prophecy and is good loot/LP.
To the OP, AF aren't great ships to use on level 3 missions. They usually take longer to finish them then a properly geared BC and AFs can get torn to shreds by turrents.
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IDesert FoxI
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Posted - 2005.12.07 07:22:00 -
[63]
In my ferox I had to warp out 4 times. My raven however, doesn't even break a sweat.
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MELEK ICO
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Posted - 2005.12.07 08:40:00 -
[64]
well i dont know what are you people talking about. its a hard mission but i mange it with my ferox without any problems. I never need any help with this mission. You do have to warp out once or maybe twice but thats fine. By the way i always take the elite frigs first than the other two ships after i do that the century guns are no problem at all they cant even come cloase to braking my shield tank. Maybe i have a good setup on my ship. 5x 250mm rails with thorium ammo, 2x assult missiels (grate for frigs), on the medium i have a shield booster, shield booster amp, a kin and thermal passive hardener, and the low slots are all with power diagnostics tec 2 if i remember right. With this ship i can do all the lvl3 missions without much trouble.
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Veronique Lamonte
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:16:00 -
[65]
yes its one of the hardest,and wingmen killed my ferox by warp scrambling me
but all level3 missions can be done in a tanked BC.
make an autopilot safe warp destination,like the next system gate,add shield hardeners and extenders,kinetic and thermal always kill wingmen,webbifiers and turrets first,cant go wrong,even with a few warp outs and always take a med cap booster and as many 800 caps you can carry.
if you think these are hard wait till you get to level4 even with a BS,my first lvl4 i warped in onto 3 ravens,
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Dopefish
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Posted - 2005.12.07 11:58:00 -
[66]
Old thread alert?
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2005.12.07 12:58:00 -
[67]
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 07/12/2005 12:59:22
Erm I suppose Im about to make myself not very loved but I have done that mission twice today alone and I have no problems whatsoever Im flying a Ferox. 
Oh P.S I never need to warp out either.
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H00KER
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Posted - 2005.12.07 13:13:00 -
[68]
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 07/12/2005 12:59:22
Erm I suppose Im about to make myself not very loved but I have done that mission twice today alone and I have no problems whatsoever Im flying a Ferox.
Oh P.S I never need to warp out either.
Me too, Gav. Its hard, but then hard (challenging) is good. On this one I have to warp out once maybe 50% of the time. The key as already mentioned is to take the sentries first. It makes everything aggro you, but once one sentry gos down it should be easily tankable. if you cant tank it then even with everything aggro'ing you, youre flying a BC before you are ready IMHO. I could do this mission with a 3 million SP character, and as I said, if you have less than 3 million skill points there are things that need learning before you waste time learning BC skills. To the person that mentioned not getting 2k Loyalty points, go and see mine and Gavs friend Mitakada, isnt that right Gav? Oh you can buy some of my overpriced missiles while youre there too
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Cyber God
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Posted - 2005.12.07 18:06:00 -
[69]
I don't know if the mission got nurfed, but I did it in a Retribution for about 15 minutes without wrapping even once. It was way too easy for L3 missions I think.
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2005.12.07 19:10:00 -
[70]
With black market hub I can do it without warping once in my Prophecy and I only have 3.8mill SP half of which is in learning.
With the spy stash I have to warp out once in the second stage.
I have done spy stash about 20 times in the past 2-3weeks and black market about4-5 times.
If you were wondering...
I have BC 3
Use a TL2 Medium Armor repairer
Cap recharge skill at 4
Capacitor capacity skill 3
medium energy turrets 3
600k total in gunnery
So as you can see i have low SP yet do these missions quite easily(Against Guristas BTW)
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2005.12.08 00:14:00 -
[71]
Originally by: H00KER
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 07/12/2005 12:59:22
Erm I suppose Im about to make myself not very loved but I have done that mission twice today alone and I have no problems whatsoever Im flying a Ferox.
Oh P.S I never need to warp out either.
Me too, Gav. Its hard, but then hard (challenging) is good. On this one I have to warp out once maybe 50% of the time. The key as already mentioned is to take the sentries first. It makes everything aggro you, but once one sentry gos down it should be easily tankable. if you cant tank it then even with everything aggro'ing you, youre flying a BC before you are ready IMHO. I could do this mission with a 3 million SP character, and as I said, if you have less than 3 million skill points there are things that need learning before you waste time learning BC skills. To the person that mentioned not getting 2k Loyalty points, go and see mine and Gavs friend Mitakada, isnt that right Gav? Oh you can buy some of my overpriced missiles while youre there too
Quite Right Indeed.
I think the lowest I have been is around 46% shields but hey I sometimes forget that I do have almost 8 mill skill points plus I think my Ferox Setup is very tasty.
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Pardack
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:34:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Pardack on 08/12/2005 01:37:09
Edited by: Pardack on 08/12/2005 01:35:07
Originally by: GavTheMighty
Edited by: GavTheMighty on 07/12/2005 12:59:22
Erm I suppose Im about to make myself not very loved but I have done that mission twice today alone and I have no problems whatsoever Im flying a Ferox.
Oh P.S I never need to warp out either.
Nah, much love :) I agree, with good skills and a tanked Ferox, I don't even worry about my shields. Only time I get below 45% is on the Extravaganza Bonus Level and that was before getting T2 hardeners and getting L4 BC.
*edit - typo
*edit edit - I also agree with the 'order' of killing stuff, very important to the amount of total damage you take.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.12.08 10:17:00 -
[73]
Did it with a wolf last night, had to warp out twice though.
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Lucus Ranger
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Posted - 2005.12.08 12:19:00 -
[74]
I used to do this mission in Enyo. It was mostly easy, just had to keep an eye on armour and not use blasters.
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2005.12.08 16:15:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Zakgram on 08/12/2005 16:17:10
Originally by: Aralon
All the lvl 3's are easy in BC's with skills. I use a ferox with 3 large shield extenders II's, a named shield recharger, and 4 pdu II's. With 13500 shield and a good recharge rate I just laugh at the sentries.
Being a little thick I'll ask:
3 x LSEs is ~1200 grid. No problem with the PDU 2's but then what are you using to fight back with? Each launcher uses ~100 grid, so are you using civ gattling guns and rocket launchers?
Or - maybe you weren't kidding when you said you were just laughing at them?
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Chy Rhuwan
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Posted - 2005.12.08 18:44:00 -
[76]
I did this mission in my Thorax. That's right, a Thorax. Full armor tank, I sat there and let them do whatever the kech they wanted with webs, and let the drones chew them out. Worked wonderfully. Tense moment on the last level as I got into hull while I was on the very last frigate, but I popped him before I was even down to 90% hull.
Only had 1.5million SP at the time too.
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2005.12.08 20:53:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Zakgram
3 x LSEs is ~1200 grid. No problem with the PDU 2's but then what are you using to fight back with? Each launcher uses ~100 grid, so are you using civ gattling guns and rocket launchers?
Or - maybe you weren't kidding when you said you were just laughing at them?
Given this a try.
3 x LSE 2's and 4 x PDU IIs give me 13220 hp with a recharge of 543 sec - not bad.
Grid and CPU is an issue; CPU 409 / 593 and Grid 1056 / 1349
With T2 launchers that's 2 launchers and no more; I can put a T2 AB and a Med shield boost II but now grid and cpu are at 580/593, 1334/1349.
Yup - someone is laughing. And I think it's the rats...
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2005.12.09 13:15:00 -
[78]
Just did this without warping out in my Ferox for the first time today.
Kill the sentry guns, kill kill kill!!
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.12.09 13:47:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Thor Darkwing
erm.. have anyone done this mission?
I mean c'mon you need a battleship to do this, the second section contains 3-4 caldari sentry guns II (and some rats beside them)
that's 60 base shield/armor (mixed dmg sorts) per cannon every 1,75sec with a optimal range of 500km
(according to eve-i http://www.eve-i.com/home/crowley/page/page_objectexplorer.php?id=663 )
My Ishtar got its armor dropped like a sink and i hade a t2 armor rep going with these resistances:
68 % EM
58.35 % Exp
87 % Kin
74 % Ther
does that seem balanced for a lvl3 mission?
its easily doable in a zealot
hi's 4x t2 heavy pulses 1x med nos
mid's 10mn ab II web 1x cap recharger
Low's 2x kin/therm hardners med armor rep II 2x cpr
i can run my ab/guns/repair for ever
im doing gurista missions
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Calshir
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Posted - 2005.12.10 07:30:00 -
[80]
Those Cruise batteries in the first area will agro you if you get too close, as I discovered the first time I did it ... didn't notice the sentries so left them alone .... when I went back in my probe to collect the loot I suddenly got a nice view of my POD
I learnt that lesson quick 
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Sendraks
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Posted - 2005.12.10 17:07:00 -
[81]
Well I lost 2 Brutix's trying it for the first time today. In both instances the sentry guns in the final area just ate my ship and spat it out.
Even using 250mm rails and iron ammo, I couldn't stay far enough away to hurt the sentries and tank well enough. Eventually I tried to warp out and my ship just sat there. Plenty of cap to warp, but apart from getting the warping message, nothing happened.
Oh well, back to the drawing board I guess.
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Ralus
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Posted - 2005.12.10 17:42:00 -
[82]
I never found this mission that hard, it was the spy stash that stumped me until i realised the missile batteries had a huge damage modifier on explosive missiles, strap a few exp hardners in and your good to go.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:36:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 12/12/2005 10:36:56
Originally by: Calshir
Those Cruise batteries in the first area will agro you if you get too close, as I discovered the first time I did it ... didn't notice the sentries so left them alone .... when I went back in my probe to collect the loot I suddenly got a nice view of my POD
I learnt that lesson quick
bookmark a can, go to agent and finish mission first, cans will drop into 'normal' space then.
i'm using a zealot for those missions, never found them particularly hard....
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.12.12 14:53:00 -
[84]
Where does it say that all missions should be able to be done solo by all pilots?
A mission is too hard to do? Refuse it. You can refuse 1 mission every 4 hours without penalty.
Missions shouldnt be a steady march forward to greater and greater totals of LP. There should be a few roadblocks on the way.
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SAjunidog
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Posted - 2005.12.12 21:16:00 -
[85]
Did this mission for the first time yesterday, in a Raven, and was surprised to see that none of the cruise towers shot at me. Keep in mind I didn't get too close (~50 km), but what the christ?
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Miko Kiyan
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Posted - 2005.12.13 11:42:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Miko Kiyan on 13/12/2005 11:43:19
Edited by: Miko Kiyan on 13/12/2005 11:42:32
Originally by: SAjunidog
Did this mission for the first time yesterday, in a Raven, and was surprised to see that none of the cruise towers shot at me. Keep in mind I didn't get too close (~50 km), but what the christ?
*nod* I noticed the same thing with the cruise sentries.
Anyhow, I took a break, but I recall this mission being quite a bit harder. In fact, I was surprised, because I warped in and was getting hit by (estimated) 3 Moas, 4 Ospreys, a few assorted frigs AND the sentry guns. I was webbed, but I don't generally worry about that. My AB is for loot collecting.
I started to get worried, but things turned out fine. *shrug*
Setup:
Ferox
HI
5x Heavy Advanced 'Limos'
2x T2 Medium Beams
MED
1x T2 10MN AB
1x T2 Large Booster
1x T1 'Regolith' medium extender
1x T1 hardener, kinetic
1x T1 resistance amp, thermal
LOW
4x T2 PDU
Running with about 7.6 mil SP with BC only at level 2. I do have maxxed cap and shield skills.
Now, don't ask me what was going on, beacause I SHOULD have been taking a ton more damage than I was, especially because I was sitting completely still. As I said, I took a rather long break, but still I think this should have been quite a bit more difficult.
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M00dy
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:39:00 -
[87]
I did BMH for the first time last night in my Cyc. I only have 2 mil skill points. (3/5 of it in Learning) I had to warp out about 15 times. I had lots of fun tho. Should do much better the next time around. :)
My setup was,
5x 720mm, 3x Assult
1x web, 1x AB, 1x Med SB 2, 1x EM Hardner.
4x PDU
Should have used a Kin Hardner?
Can't wait for RMR. :)
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