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Klevari > I ♣ my wife and I ♠ my dog!
Ageis > you club your wife and you spade
your dog?

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Originally by: Hellek

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hehe, my setup is almost the same as well
seems to be pretty much a standard setup

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Originally by: Hanns

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I sometimes fit like 7 damage mods if im 100% safe and know i wont be taking any hits (like camping my own space) then i get a 11.0 damage mod and 1.7 ROF and 11km optimal with Multis

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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High: 4 Heavy Pulse II
Med: 1 10mn AB II, 1 Web, 1 20km Scram
Low: 1 1600mm TII, 2 Energized Adaptive Nano II, 1 Thermal Hardener, 1 Med Armor Rep II, 2 RCU TII

You'll be running around with 6000+ armor, and 72, 88, 73, 74 resists.

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Originally by: Sochin

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CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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High: 4 Heavy Pulse II
Med: 1 10mn AB II, 1 Web, 1 20km Scram
Low: 1 1600mm TII, 2 Energized Adaptive Nano II, 1 Thermal Hardener, 1 Med Armor Rep II, 2 RCU TII

You'll be running around with 6000+ armor, and 72, 88, 73, 74 resists.

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Um, why would you do that on a zealot? You'd be doing such crap damage that you might as well fly a sac. And 2 RCU IIs :S.

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
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I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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Originally by: Hanns

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Nice setup, gives a different angle, i wouldnt use it unless i knew i was gonna be fighting a Deimos! the zealot dosent get the MWD bonus, and it can already run into cap issues without a MWD, also i think MWD's = Death in most combat situations (im talking multiple targets not a 1v1 Hac fight) Im not sure why you want to fit a MWD anyway (bar a 1v1 situation with a Deimos) i mean with a 1600 plate + 10mn AB II my Zealot goes well over 600m/s this is fast enough imo, plus a MWD gives you massive Sig bonus, which is kinda taking the point out of flying a HAC (small fast hard to hit) i know everyone has there own preference, and im not a fan of MWD's (even on a deimos, imho i think they get u killed faster) but if your gonna put a MWD on a Zealot, you should be flying a Deimos

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Originally by: Hanns

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Nice setup, gives a different angle, i wouldnt use it unless i knew i was gonna be fighting a Deimos! the zealot dosent get the MWD bonus, and it can already run into cap issues without a MWD, also i think MWD's = Death in most combat situations (im talking multiple targets not a 1v1 Hac fight) Im not sure why you want to fit a MWD anyway (bar a 1v1 situation with a Deimos) i mean with a 1600 plate + 10mn AB II my Zealot goes well over 600m/s this is fast enough imo, plus a MWD gives you massive Sig bonus, which is kinda taking the point out of flying a HAC (small fast hard to hit) i know everyone has there own preference, and im not a fan of MWD's (even on a deimos, imho i think they get u killed faster) but if your gonna put a MWD on a Zealot, you should be flying a Deimos

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You're right, the AB setup plays to the Zealot's strengths more. It just amuses me that you can set up a Zealot with a MWD, fly it exactly like a Deimos, and end up being able to beat the majority of Deimos' 1v1 . A plate Deimos would be the toughest fight, but far from unwinnable.

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Originally by: Hanns

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Yeah, ive heard alot of people complaining about the Zealot, saying its overpowered ect.. i fear a nerf soon ill be really ****ed off if they do nerf it, coz ive trained HAC lvl 5 and Medium pulse Spec 5

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Originally by: Hanns

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You guys tried using a 800 tech II plate, its pretty decent,i get over 4k amrmor with one.

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
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I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
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I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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I use something similar.

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3x Heavy Pulse II
1x Focused Medium Pulse II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tungsten
5x HS2
1x Thermal hardner

Stats: 6200 armor with 60/80/62.5/67.5 resists outputting 475 DPS

This one is decent as well but i don't prefer it...

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4x Quad Light Beam II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

Stats: 9500 armor with 60/80/62.5/35 resists outputting 375DPS

Always wear your web if flying alone kids, stay in school, don't do crash

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Originally by: Hanns

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Ok tried the Focused, and damm if Adv wep ugrades applied to NOS i could fit on a Medioum diminishing

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
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I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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I use something similar.

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3x Heavy Pulse II
1x Focused Medium Pulse II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tungsten
5x HS2
1x Thermal hardner

Stats: 6200 armor with 60/80/62.5/67.5 resists outputting 475 DPS

This one is decent as well but i don't prefer it...

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4x Quad Light Beam II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

Stats: 9500 armor with 60/80/62.5/35 resists outputting 375DPS

Always wear your web if flying alone kids, stay in school, don't do crash

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
--------------------------

I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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I use something similar.

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3x Heavy Pulse II
1x Focused Medium Pulse II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tungsten
5x HS2
1x Thermal hardner

Stats: 6200 armor with 60/80/62.5/67.5 resists outputting 475 DPS

This one is decent as well but i don't prefer it...

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4x Quad Light Beam II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

Stats: 9500 armor with 60/80/62.5/35 resists outputting 375DPS

Always wear your web if flying alone kids, stay in school, don't do crash

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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no armor rep ftw ?

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
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I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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I use something similar.

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3x Heavy Pulse II
1x Focused Medium Pulse II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tungsten
5x HS2
1x Thermal hardner

Stats: 6200 armor with 60/80/62.5/67.5 resists outputting 475 DPS

This one is decent as well but i don't prefer it...

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4x Quad Light Beam II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

Stats: 9500 armor with 60/80/62.5/35 resists outputting 375DPS

Always wear your web if flying alone kids, stay in school, don't do crash

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 05/08/2005 10:23:27

Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

--------------------------
MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
--------------------------

AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
--------------------------

I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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I use something similar.

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3x Heavy Pulse II
1x Focused Medium Pulse II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tungsten
5x HS2
1x Thermal hardner

Stats: 6200 armor with 60/80/62.5/67.5 resists outputting 475 DPS

This one is decent as well but i don't prefer it...

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4x Quad Light Beam II

--
10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

-
1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

Stats: 9500 armor with 60/80/62.5/35 resists outputting 375DPS

Always wear your web if flying alone kids, stay in school, don't do crash

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ok this has gone far enough. Having read this it is clear to me that the zealot is in need of a bit of a nerf. Being able to fit 2x1600 plates plus a rack of medium guns using 1 RCU is herendously screwed up. The fact u can fit 1600 plate, along with MWD, nos + medium guns to a zealot without any grid modules is just plain crap.

Try fitting a 1600 plate to a deimos and getting a rack of electrons on, not to mention the MWD, rep + nos yet the zealot can do it easily. Thats before you take into account its 40m/s better BASE speed, which is also teh ghey. I agree it should be faster than the deimos, but not by such a large margin.

Being able to fit 2 1600 plates and still put out over 300 dps just screams nerf to me. If you fit a 1600 plate to a deimos ud be lucky to get 300 dps, not to mention the speed is atrocious.

Something needs to be done to plates (1600 need tougher fitting reqs to make the 800s a cruiser item) and maybe even to the zealot cos its just rediculously easy to fit everything you want on it. Sorry to cry nerf, but i think this situation warrants it

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Originally by: W0lverine

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have to agree...
take 200PG from zealot..

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I think it's more a case of the Deimos being a tiny bit underpowered. You can set up a Vaga with plate + ACs and beat the Deimos at it's own game in a similar way. A small reduction in medium Blaster fitting would bring the Deimos back in line IMO

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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ok this has gone far enough. Having read this it is clear to me that the zealot is in need of a bit of a nerf. Being able to fit 2x1600 plates plus a rack of medium guns using 1 RCU is herendously screwed up. The fact u can fit 1600 plate, along with MWD, nos + medium guns to a zealot without any grid modules is just plain crap.

Try fitting a 1600 plate to a deimos and getting a rack of electrons on, not to mention the MWD, rep + nos yet the zealot can do it easily. Thats before you take into account its 40m/s better BASE speed, which is also teh ghey. I agree it should be faster than the deimos, but not by such a large margin.

Being able to fit 2 1600 plates and still put out over 300 dps just screams nerf to me. If you fit a 1600 plate to a deimos ud be lucky to get 300 dps, not to mention the speed is atrocious.

Something needs to be done to plates (1600 need tougher fitting reqs to make the 800s a cruiser item) and maybe even to the zealot cos its just rediculously easy to fit everything you want on it. Sorry to cry nerf, but i think this situation warrants it

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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aye can fit a 1600 plate on my ishtar, leaves me with 375 grid. Just about enough to fit a mwd and a rep. without any RCUs i cant fit anything in my highs, with 1 RCU, i could possible squeeze 3 frig guns and a small nos or 2. maybe 1 medium

Ishtar does 420 DPS with 15 tech2 heavy drones which are not only damn expensive, take a damn long time to train for. Not to mention how easy they are to blow or up or leave behind.

Sorry, Jules, that means nothing at all. The ishtar wins cos of its versatility, not its dmg. It will never out dmg the likes of a deimos or zealot, but then it can do more so its not so important. A typical ishtar setup will push 350dps (13/14 tech1 heavy drones) and thats a standard setup. Stick a 1600 or even 800 plate on an ishtar and its screwed. The only thing that makes is good is lots of nos and lots of drones.

Fitting a 1600 plate means no nos at all, cept maybe small and their pretty crap. And anywayz, this isnt about the ishtar its about the zealot and its ease of fitting just about everything you could want on it and still doing tons of DPS. No other HAC i can think of can do that

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Originally by: lythos miralbar

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ohh and as for plates.. CCP please double the fitting requirements of 400, 800 and 1600 mm plates, but also double the hp they give you. That should screw up oversized plates but still keep em usefull for the ships they were intended for.

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Why not fit more RCUs? It's not like you need the lows for damage mods...

By my reckoning (rough admittedly), you should be able to fit 1600mm + Rep + AB + 2 Med Nos and still have enough grid left over for a rack of small guns. You'll have a similar tank to a 1600mm Zealot, similar damage, more cap/second drained, and 4 mids to stick EW in. Looks fine to me :P

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Erm... doubling the hp and fitting reqs of an 800mm plate would leave you a module even more overpowered than the current 1600mm. It would take 100MW less to fit, and only have about 10% less armour.

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Originally by: Hanns

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Heres one of my Zealot PVP Setups for Small assault groups, this setup isnt really meant to do much tanking, more support for a Sac or other Tank / Fast locker.

High:

4x Heavy Pulse II
1x Medium diminishin NOS

Med:

1x 10Mn AB II
1x F-90 Sensor booster
1x 20k+ Warp scrambler (i use dread 24km) OR 90% Fleeting Webber

Low:

1x Medium Armor Rep II
1x N-Type Thermic Hardener
1x Local CPR
4x Heatsink II


Edit this Setup as you see fit, for your modules and skills

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Originally by: Stormfront

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Julien as good as the Ishtar is. You fail to see that it is one tough bich to fit.

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Originally by: Hesprax

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Edited by: Hesprax on 05/08/2005 11:03:34

Originally by: W0lverine

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have to agree...
take 200PG from zealot..

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If you did that then you wouldn't be able to fit a standard setup with heavy beam IIs. I'm more in favour of increasing the fitting requirments of the plates rather than chopping down the Zealots grid if anything.

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 05/08/2005 15:24:56
Fine, give up your entire drone bay and one of your turrets, and you can mount all neutrons or 250mms. See, that's the reason why the Zealot has no difficulty with grid - it's a little lacking in other departments.

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 05/08/2005 15:24:56
Fine, give up your entire drone bay and one of your turrets, and you can mount all neutrons or 250mms. See, that's the reason why the Zealot has no difficulty with grid - it's a little lacking in other departments.

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Meridius

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Edited by: Meridius on 05/08/2005 18:22:42

Originally by: Eyeshadow

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would probably need 2 or even 3 RCU2s to get all that on. That would leave you with a gaping whole in ya tank (10% explosive) and next to no CPU to fit any of that uber EW stuff u are suggesting

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Dual Plate Zealot has a gaping a thermal gaping hole which is a lot worse then an explosive one.

Your drones have frigate tracking and do more damage then a Zealots 4 turrets slots + 4 low slots and take no CPU/PG/---/--/- slots.

Not to mention those 5 juicy mid slots that could easily turn off turret ships in a heart beat. Oh but wait, the Zealot has 7 lows, 4 of which we have to use to match the damage of your drones.

It's the Zealot thats overpowered right

(argh im gonna hurl)

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you can kill drones, you can forget them in rush, they are stupid and slow

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Meridius

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Edited by: Meridius on 05/08/2005 18:22:42

Originally by: Eyeshadow

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would probably need 2 or even 3 RCU2s to get all that on. That would leave you with a gaping whole in ya tank (10% explosive) and next to no CPU to fit any of that uber EW stuff u are suggesting

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Dual Plate Zealot has a gaping a thermal gaping hole which is a lot worse then an explosive one.

Your drones have frigate tracking and do more damage then a Zealots 4 turrets slots + 4 low slots and take no CPU/PG/---/--/- slots.

Not to mention those 5 juicy mid slots that could easily turn off turret ships in a heart beat. Oh but wait, the Zealot has 7 lows, 4 of which we have to use to match the damage of your drones.

It's the Zealot thats overpowered right

(argh im gonna hurl)

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you can kill drones, you can forget them in rush, they are stupid and slow

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You can kill turrets via tracking disruption and you don't even have to do it one by one.

Forget them in a rush? Please don't blame drones for your own idiocy.

Next?

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Originally by: W0lverine

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and how many actuly fit tracking disturbers? and HP's got very good tracking anyway so wont be much help

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: W0lverine

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and how many actuly fit tracking disturbers? and HP's got very good tracking anyway so wont be much help

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You obviously haven't used tracking disruptors, they own the **** out of turrets.

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 05/08/2005 18:36:16
You lose the guns if you lose the ship, and if you can't hit anything, that's rather probable.

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 05/08/2005 18:36:16
You lose the guns if you lose the ship, and if you can't hit anything, that's rather probable.

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not nesesary

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 05/08/2005 18:36:16
You lose the guns if you lose the ship, and if you can't hit anything, that's rather probable.

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not nesesary

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What exactly do you do when your guns can't hit?

Harsh language?

You die.

Now enjoy your 30jump trip to empire in a pod to replace a ship that is worth a lot more then some t2 drones.

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 05/08/2005 18:36:16
You lose the guns if you lose the ship, and if you can't hit anything, that's rather probable.

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not nesesary

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What exactly do you do when your guns can't hit?

Harsh language?

You die.

Now enjoy your 30jump trip to empire in a pod to replace a ship that is worth a lot more then some t2 drones.

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run away?

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Please sod off.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Meridius

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 05/08/2005 18:36:16
You lose the guns if you lose the ship, and if you can't hit anything, that's rather probable.

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not nesesary

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What exactly do you do when your guns can't hit?

Harsh language?

You die.

Now enjoy your 30jump trip to empire in a pod to replace a ship that is worth a lot more then some t2 drones.

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run away?

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While scrambled, interesting.

Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Please sod off.

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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The thread was good untill the whole 'Zealot overpowered' thing started. If people lack imagination to beat something, doesnt mean someone else's setup and / or ship is suddenly overpowered.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Im fairly sure meridius doesnt fly an ishtar but hes always screaming for it to get nerfed.

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Originally by: Julien Derida

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Edited by: Julien Derida on 01/08/2005 16:17:39
Heavy Pulses and Heavy Beams are very nice guns, but it's a shame everyone uses them to the exclusion of the smaller medium lasers. If you are clever about it, you can fit a Zealot that will beat the Deimos at it's own game(i.e. in a knife fight at close range). Ladies and Gentlemen, in keeping with the current craze for oversized plates and smaller guns, I give you the Platalot.

Here are two variants that I'm particularly fond of:

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MWD Version

4xQuad Light Beam
1xMedium Nos

MWD
20k Scram
Web

1x1600mm
1xMed Rep
1xThermal Hardener
4xHeat Sink
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AB Version

4xFocused Medium Pulse
1xMedium Nos

+ Same as above in mids and lows, but with an AB instead of a MWD.
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I've left out the exact modules you need to make this fit. It wouldn't be any fun otherwise

Both setups will give you 6k armour and between 300-350 DPS. I feel a lot happier flying my Zealot like this, as the Heavy Pulse setups always leave you vulnerable to a Deimos or a Platerax landing on top of you. This setup has nothing to fear in that situation. I've found this a much nicer ship for solo operations than the Heavy Pulse and Heavy Beam setups.

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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I had a corpmate beat me in his Deimos vs my plated Zealot actually. We started at 16km, i was ABing away from him continuesly and i believe he did have a Domination webber on, so webbed me at 15k. (I webbed him back at 10k, clearly.)

Ill ask him for his setup.

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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I had a corpmate beat me in his Deimos vs my plated Zealot actually. We started at 16km, i was ABing away from him continuesly and i believe he did have a Domination webber on, so webbed me at 15k. (I webbed him back at 10k, clearly.)

Ill ask him for his setup.

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what if you had 15km web also?

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Originally by: danneh

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Originally by: W0lverine

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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I had a corpmate beat me in his Deimos vs my plated Zealot actually. We started at 16km, i was ABing away from him continuesly and i believe he did have a Domination webber on, so webbed me at 15k. (I webbed him back at 10k, clearly.)

Ill ask him for his setup.

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what if you had 15km web also?

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dude just drop it.

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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High: 4 Heavy Pulse II
Med: 1 10mn AB II, 1 Web, 1 20km Scram
Low: 1 1600mm TII, 2 Energized Adaptive Nano II, 1 Thermal Hardener, 1 Med Armor Rep II, 2 RCU TII

You'll be running around with 6000+ armor, and 72, 88, 73, 74 resists.

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Um, why would you do that on a zealot? You'd be doing such crap damage that you might as well fly a sac. And 2 RCU IIs :S.

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This was in response to my retribution setup....everyone wanted to know if you could tank a HAC like my retri was tanked (with a lot of armor HP and good resists). The zelot is the only ship that can do this while fitting a full rack of the best damage dealing weapons. *shrug* I'm still 47 days away from flying a HAC anyhow, so what do I know

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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High: 4 Heavy Pulse II
Med: 1 10mn AB II, 1 Web, 1 20km Scram
Low: 1 1600mm TII, 2 Energized Adaptive Nano II, 1 Thermal Hardener, 1 Med Armor Rep II, 2 RCU TII

You'll be running around with 6000+ armor, and 72, 88, 73, 74 resists.

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Um, why would you do that on a zealot? You'd be doing such crap damage that you might as well fly a sac. And 2 RCU IIs :S.

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This was in response to my retribution setup....everyone wanted to know if you could tank a HAC like my retri was tanked (with a lot of armor HP and good resists). The zelot is the only ship that can do this while fitting a full rack of the best damage dealing weapons. *shrug* I'm still 47 days away from flying a HAC anyhow, so what do I know

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Originally by: Wrok

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Captin Biltmore

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High: 4 Heavy Pulse II
Med: 1 10mn AB II, 1 Web, 1 20km Scram
Low: 1 1600mm TII, 2 Energized Adaptive Nano II, 1 Thermal Hardener, 1 Med Armor Rep II, 2 RCU TII

You'll be running around with 6000+ armor, and 72, 88, 73, 74 resists.

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Um, why would you do that on a zealot? You'd be doing such crap damage that you might as well fly a sac. And 2 RCU IIs :S.

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This was in response to my retribution setup....everyone wanted to know if you could tank a HAC like my retri was tanked (with a lot of armor HP and good resists). The zelot is the only ship that can do this while fitting a full rack of the best damage dealing weapons. *shrug* I'm still 47 days away from flying a HAC anyhow, so what do I know

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ROFL? 47 DAYS? your stats must sucky ;P

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely retarded statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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Originally by: Meatsim

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely retarded statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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And is the Deimos not predictable too? ALl these Amarr fanboys just need to open their eyes and realise the Zealot needs nerfing. I HOPE THEY NERF IT TO HELL AND BACK. And that's coming from an AMarr. It is int he best interests of the game for ships to be balanced, not the same just balanced. No way a Zealot should be able to fit medium guns, 2 x 1600 plates, med rep etc. That is simply retarded and anybody who argues against that fact needs a good fisting. I am right, kthanx bye.

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Originally by: Meatsim

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely retarded statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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And is the Deimos not predictable too? ALl these Amarr fanboys just need to open their eyes and realise the Zealot needs nerfing. I HOPE THEY NERF IT TO HELL AND BACK. And that's coming from an AMarr. It is int he best interests of the game for ships to be balanced, not the same just balanced. No way a Zealot should be able to fit medium guns, 2 x 1600 plates, med rep etc. That is simply retarded and anybody who argues against that fact needs a good fisting. I am right, kthanx bye.

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Originally by: Corto Maltese

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Edited by: Corto Maltese on 14/11/2005 12:22:43

Originally by: Meatsim

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely retarded statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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And is the Deimos not predictable too? ALl these Amarr fanboys just need to open their eyes and realise the Zealot needs nerfing. I HOPE THEY NERF IT TO HELL AND BACK. And that's coming from an AMarr. It is int he best interests of the game for ships to be balanced, not the same just balanced. No way a Zealot should be able to fit medium guns, 2 x 1600 plates, med rep etc. That is simply retarded and anybody who argues against that fact needs a good fisting. I am right, kthanx bye.

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It can't fit 2 1600 plates and medium guns. Medium pulse/beam are small guns. Heavy pulse/beam are mediums. With the exception to Focused medium pulse/beam which are infact mediums.

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Originally by: meridius

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4x Quad Light Beam II

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10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

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1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

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Originally by: Corto Maltese

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Edited by: Corto Maltese on 14/11/2005 12:22:43

Originally by: Meatsim

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely ******** statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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And is the Deimos not predictable too? ALl these Amarr fanboys just need to open their eyes and realise the Zealot needs nerfing. I HOPE THEY NERF IT TO HELL AND BACK. And that's coming from an AMarr. It is int he best interests of the game for ships to be balanced, not the same just balanced. No way a Zealot should be able to fit medium guns, 2 x 1600 plates, med rep etc. That is simply ******** and anybody who argues against that fact needs a good fisting. I am right, kthanx bye.

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It can't fit 2 1600 plates and medium guns. Medium pulse/beam are small guns. Heavy pulse/beam are mediums. With the exception to Focused medium pulse/beam which are infact mediums.

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Originally by: meridius

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4x Quad Light Beam II

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10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

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1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Originally by: Corto Maltese

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Edited by: Corto Maltese on 14/11/2005 12:22:43

Originally by: Meatsim

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely retarded statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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And is the Deimos not predictable too? ALl these Amarr fanboys just need to open their eyes and realise the Zealot needs nerfing. I HOPE THEY NERF IT TO HELL AND BACK. And that's coming from an AMarr. It is int he best interests of the game for ships to be balanced, not the same just balanced. No way a Zealot should be able to fit medium guns, 2 x 1600 plates, med rep etc. That is simply retarded and anybody who argues against that fact needs a good fisting. I am right, kthanx bye.

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It can't fit 2 1600 plates and medium guns. Medium pulse/beam are small guns. Heavy pulse/beam are mediums. With the exception to Focused medium pulse/beam which are infact mediums.

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Originally by: meridius

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4x Quad Light Beam II

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10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

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1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

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Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth

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Originally by: Corto Maltese

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Edited by: Corto Maltese on 14/11/2005 12:22:43

Originally by: Meatsim

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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W0lverine, you may be in my corp but youre making completely ******** statements. Please sod off.

Zealot is not overpowered. It pays for its easy fitting by a total lack of versatility, along with being immensily predictable. Its ****easy to counter.

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And is the Deimos not predictable too? ALl these Amarr fanboys just need to open their eyes and realise the Zealot needs nerfing. I HOPE THEY NERF IT TO HELL AND BACK. And that's coming from an AMarr. It is int he best interests of the game for ships to be balanced, not the same just balanced. No way a Zealot should be able to fit medium guns, 2 x 1600 plates, med rep etc. That is simply ******** and anybody who argues against that fact needs a good fisting. I am right, kthanx bye.

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It can't fit 2 1600 plates and medium guns. Medium pulse/beam are small guns. Heavy pulse/beam are mediums. With the exception to Focused medium pulse/beam which are infact mediums.

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Originally by: meridius

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4x Quad Light Beam II

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10mn AB II
Web
Disruptor

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1600mm rolled tung (10%)
1600mm nanofiber (5%)
4x HS 2
1x RCU II

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[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot
[05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN

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Originally by: Jon Ogden

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My Zealot was jumped by 2 Thoraxes and I went down in flames after a fairly long fight. My setup was similar to most others here:

HI:
3 Heavy Pulse II
1 Med pulse II
1 Med Nos II

Med:
Scrambler
Web
AB

Low:
1 1600 tung plate
3 HS II
1 cap relay
1 thermal hardner
1 med repper II

What would have been my best tactic to survive this? They were in close, I was scrambled, and I assume they used blasters. They used a full set of berserkers and I think I should have shot at the drones first instead of the thoraxes. I assume priority #1 should be to eliminate the damage cability of my opponent before actually killing them but I don't know.

Comments?

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Originally by: Jon Ogden

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My Zealot was jumped by 2 Thoraxes and I went down in flames after a fairly long fight. My setup was similar to most others here:

HI:
3 Heavy Pulse II
1 Med pulse II
1 Med Nos II

Med:
Scrambler
Web
AB

Low:
1 1600 tung plate
3 HS II
1 cap relay
1 thermal hardner
1 med repper II

What would have been my best tactic to survive this? They were in close, I was scrambled, and I assume they used blasters. They used a full set of berserkers and I think I should have shot at the drones first instead of the thoraxes. I assume priority #1 should be to eliminate the damage cability of my opponent before actually killing them but I don't know.

Comments?

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Originally by: Jon Ogden

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Thanks for the tips. If I recall, I put the small laser on since that was the only thing that would fit when I had 3 heavies plus the Nos and everything else installed. In addition, I figured it would be useful to hit either drones or frigs if necessary.

Is there any benefit to using 3 heavy lasers and 2 Nos? I wonder if having a 2nd Nos would have allowed me to shut an enemy down faster.

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Originally by: Jon Ogden

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Thanks for the tips. If I recall, I put the small laser on since that was the only thing that would fit when I had 3 heavies plus the Nos and everything else installed. In addition, I figured it would be useful to hit either drones or frigs if necessary.

Is there any benefit to using 3 heavy lasers and 2 Nos? I wonder if having a 2nd Nos would have allowed me to shut an enemy down faster.

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Originally by: throbbinnoggin

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Heavy drone + focused pulse2 + web = "pop".

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Originally by: throbbinnoggin

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Heavy drone + focused pulse2 + web = "pop".

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