Now thats just silly... hows the clone in any way physicaly different than the better one?

It's not physical difference, that worries me about that idea. It's the cost aspect for new players. Making new players pay more, would be a hypocritical move IMHO.

Well Zella Polaris proposed a skill that would allow you to reduce the cost of the clone. Would that be any good? New players could train it also making their clones even cheaper.

The gameplay added by clones upgrade is to add "cost" to the death penalities. What makes EVE harsh as we like is not simply the open PVP but the risks involving and the costs.

Reducing clones upgrades reduce the harshness.

If lowered for medical clones then should be balaanced properly by increased implants costs and jump clones costs.

Or how about letting us turn in our collection frozen corpses to the Medical Centers for credit? Kinda like a refund like on soda bottles.

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It could be, but then we have the must have skill factor to deal with.

The issue I see with this, is in regards to balance and choice. Balance in the price against small ships. Choice in the fact that I can decide to risk whichever ship, module and ammo I like, but have no choice with the clone.

But as a low sec dweller, pod loss is far and very few between. I think I've lost 1 pod in 4 years and that was because I couldn't be bothered to warp out. But I can see the issue this has for long term players in null, that want to head out in frig gangs now and again.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what CCP has to offer.

Well if it's a rank 1 or 2 skill does it then realy matter? And well imo it you realy don't even need to train it if you don't want to. Sure it makes things cheaper for you but then again if you loose 1 pod a year then you realy don't need it. So it's more like a choice that "this is something I will need and I will train it" or "meh I will train more gunho' skills and pay more" or something like that. The player is eventualy the one deciding does he want to train it. And again rank 1 or 2. plus you don't need to train everything to lvl5 always

As I look at the issue of clone cost and talk to people around New Eden things become more clear. High clone prices are a limiting factor to high SP characters. If removed or mitigated these characters will become more powerful.

In which a way "more powerful" will they become, please explain.

That's just a mumbling under nose. Repeating "more powerful" again and again without making any sense.
Please provide exact cases and numbers.

The upcoming skill changes will boost me well into the 20 million ISK clone grade. 20 mil per death for the sole reason of having a large-ish total of skillpoints? ......

What do I get from that 20 mil? There is only so much SP that affect any given ship, it is insulting that I have to pay for the whole damn thing because I died while using a small fraction of the lot. I get exactly nothing for my money except avoiding the prospect of losing the better part of a month of training time...

please........

You get to retain 100% of those skill points for your 20mil. You could buy cheaper clones and sacrifice a few SP's or you can go to empire space and fight there when you get the urge to fight in a small ship.

I do actually agree with you that the "free" skill points coming up this summer suck. I don't want my char to have 6 million more SP's and the same abilities because of clone costs. It would be much nicer if CCP just stripped BC and Destroyer from all characters and gave appropriate points refunds for them. So people could buy the racial destroyers / BC's they want along with a few skills they want and not have to pay the clone cost for ship skills that they don't want. Seems to me that would be easier to code as well, but who knows how the server would handle that sort of thing.



I love this, maybe it is insulting because you failed to build a character appropriate for its intended purpose. Maybe its meant to be insulting. Your char paid 2 million per clone at some point, then 3, then 7.8 million! Wow, thats getting expensive, and I can't even use all those skill on a combat pilot? Hmm maybe I should start training one of my other chars up and think about this for a while? Hell with it, 13 mil!!! well I guess I will just be careful now...and keep training wahoo.

You made a mistake in character development. In Eve when you make mistakes you pay for them, other players are there to make sure of it because they have something to gain from your loss. Clone costs are no different.

Bro that is one of the stupidest replys i ever saw, you telling me that i have to handicap myself?By doing alts in my accound making my main my "persona" the one that i like to play with the one that has an history , friends and assorted social baggage go and train a alt?

You are seeing this from your perspective i guess you have your opinion and we have ours , i dont see the issue in lowering the prices of clones i mean would eve economy collapse? Allot of people have given good ideias to change how the clones work it isnt that hard really , changing one parameter in the code so that we can pvp in small ships..

I'm not your "Bro" and you may disagree with my reply, or perhaps you just don't like it, that's OK.

You are asking for a limitation to be removed just because you don't like dealing with it. Some people don't like dealing with bubbles, or gate camps, or ECM, or faction standing repair, or ship replacement costs / time, or grinding ISK. Some people don't like dealing with groups of people and yet many things in Eve cannot be accomplished by one person acting alone.

Eve is a place where the challenge comes from competing against other players. That competition extends far beyond the realm of FPS, there are many paths to victory. If the clone cost limitation is lifted from high SP characters those characters will have a significant advantage that they did not posses before. Freedom to operate wherever and in whatever ship they want to without having to consider loss of their clone.

I get that you "just want to hang with your friends in your favorite clone or whatever." But other players are here to fight, and to destroy one another if possible, that is what makes Eve great. This is a competitive game, not a chat room in space. The risk, the fact that you are playing against others who want to win as much as you do, and that there are many ways to win; is what sets Eve apart, what makes it a great game.

... we are not more powerful than lower characters we can just adapt better and faster no the odd nerf or buff or tactical situation.

So being able to adapt better and faster to the tactical situation is not a significant tactical advantage? One that is perhaps tempered by the risk to an expensive clone. And those costs don't add up enough to influence war strategy. That's what you are saying here?



Calling me "Bro" a second time is just trolling, it doesn't bother me or change my position at all. It does sort of splice together with the other strands of yourself here; logical fallacy, misspelling, baiting and inflammatory language. These traits go right along with petulant whining of children who can't be bothered to reach for a toy that they desire. Are you sure that you want to be the spokesman for your side of this argument?

I have listed many reasons why clone costs are an important part of balancing powerflation. That you have not read them or do not understand them is of little consequence.

ad hominem attacks are also a children to try and seem an intelligent person , But i do like how you try to pick apart my posts and quote parts of my posts , lets agree on to disagree then .And hope that a dev comes to elucidate ourselves the plebs of eve.

Death must have consequences and clone prices are already too cheap, it should be doubled, this is EvE Online not some kindgarden themepark game.

A good idea, see post above.

My 2 Cents