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Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 01:42:00 - [1] We all hate the litter that is in space atm, and the lag it can cause, so I would like to propose a possible solution. Role played description: Containers in space are subjected to cosmic rays and are bombarded by cosmic dust constantly when in space. This causes the to deteriorate and eventually disintegrate. Leaving them in space for an extended duration of time causes damage which needs to be countered by regular maintenance. Technical implementation: At each down time the database decrements the remaining hit points a container has when it is space. The duration that it can surive in space is defined by the type and size of the container. I was thinking of something like the following times: Small Standard Container: 2 days Medium Standard Container: 4 days Large Standard Container: 8 days Huge Standard Container: 16 Days Giant Standard Container: 32 Days Secure cans by their nature should survive a bit longer, I have used 50% as a starting point. Small Secure Container: 3 days Medium Secure Container: 6 days Large Secure Container: 12 days Huge Secure Container: 24 Days Giant Secure Container: 48 Days So based on the length of time a container is in space it's percentage damage and associated repair costs increase, eventually leading to the destruction of the container. If you take it out and bring it back in one session then there won't be any damage to be repaired, because it wasn't in space at downtime. The reason I didn't pick number of days in space to be calculated exactly on a 24 hour time frame is due to server load, although an hourly check might be feasible after 48 days of such a solution being implemented. For empire this would clean things up over time, for 0.0 alliances it would mean that enemy stashes left in your territory would eventually self destruct if left unattended. What does the EVE community think of this idea ? -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Kerby Lane	Posted - 2005.07.12 01:51:00 - [2] I like this one.
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.07.12 02:03:00 - [3] Hell yes.. best idea ever ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
MooKids	Posted - 2005.07.12 02:09:00 - [4] Would be a way to clean up the mess. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Aadarm	Posted - 2005.07.12 02:21:00 - [5] Very good idea, alot of the cans around where I'll occasionally mine have been there forever and are never used that I have seen.
shivan	Posted - 2005.07.12 02:41:00 - [6] Edited by: shivan on 12/07/2005 02:41:34 would stop people placeing cans at every moon as well so stop POS's going up. Great idea Jabbaa, Oh and hows the corp treating ya? --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 02:42:00 - [7] Thanks for the positive responses so far. If you think this is a workable solution then please sign this proposal, or add constructive critisism if you feel that it is flawed. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 02:45:00 - [8] Originally by: shivan would stop people placeing cans at every moon as well so stop POS's going up. I never thought of that, I guess the same would apply to outposts. Originally by: shivan Great idea Jabbaa, Oh and hows the corp treating ya? Great, thanks. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Raquan	Posted - 2005.07.12 06:45:00 - [9] Edited by: Raquan on 12/07/2005 06:45:36 The idea is interesting but never alone the disavantage, for it to be more interesting, for that disavantage would come an advantage and it might go like this: The cans get a limited time that they can drift in space and retain the same volume until deployed, before deployed cant be open and their capacity is largly incrised. The max can would change the max capacity from 3900 to 25000 at least. :)
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 12:08:00 - [10] Please don't even touch the topic of capacity just because giant containers are in the above list. It's about getting rid of cans that have been anchored in 0.0 and empire space since their release in the game, and are just basically litter now and, as shivan pointed out, some people are using them to stop others from setting up a POS at desirable locations. My proposal gives them a "time to live" in space, anchored or not. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein

Gungankllr	Posted - 2005.07.12 12:38:00 - [11] I think it's a good idea, just as long as the can owners get a message when a can gets to certain levels of degradation, and in the mail a BM is provided. Also, there would have to be a system for repairing cans in space. What this would do is remove anchored cans that their owners have since left the game, or put them up as billboards or whatever. Another option would be to put up a "Can rental" fee of some sort, like labslots or factory slots. the more cans that are in a system, the higher the rent goes up. Nonni for instance, with thousands of thousands of cans all over the place would pay a huge sum per week/month to keep the cans up, paid to the local Soverignity. If you don't pay, they disappear after they degrade to a certain point. If you do pay, you have the option for the local Soverignity to repair it for a cost (READ: ISK SINK) or repair it yourself with some sort of materials (READ: ISK SINK/TIME SINK) ALso, depending on launching for corp or private individual, this could greate a new role/manager slot for corporations. Nifty idea. www.hadean.org
Countess Amarisa	Posted - 2005.07.12 12:39:00 - [12] great idea! if you want to repair them, use a remote armor rep or take back at station and they come back at full hit point. This will clean the eve universe of spam....
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2005.07.12 12:50:00 - [13] Edited by: Trak Cranker on 12/07/2005 12:51:27 Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: shivan would stop people placeing cans at every moon as well so stop POS's going up. I never thought of that, I guess the same would apply to outposts. That tactic can be petitioned and the GMs will remove the cans if you have need of the space for POS - (or outpost I guess). Think you need to be there with your pos, showing your clear intent to put up the POS once its done. But then they will remove the cans, no problems. And hey: like the original idea. A lot. Trak Cranker
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 13:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Countess Amarisa great idea! if you want to repair them, use a remote armor rep or take back at station and they come back at full hit point. This will clean the eve universe of spam.... I thought containers only had structure making a remote armour repairer pointless, access to repair facility in station should/would be the only way to repair a container IMHO. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Kunming	Posted - 2005.07.12 13:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime ... What does the EVE community think of this idea ? Its not only the best idea since a long time but also the best thread on the 1st page atm. Hope devs get a chance to look at it before all the whining spammage pushes it down. Intercepting since BETA
Starfury Shang	Posted - 2005.07.12 14:09:00 - [16] Great idea.... Signed! CCP, get this man a beer and look at implementation hehehe
Starfury Shang	Posted - 2005.07.12 14:09:00 - [17] Is this listed in Ideas and Suggestions?
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 14:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Starfury Shang Is this listed in Ideas and Suggestions? I just posted a link to this thread there, I guess this thread should have been there to begin with. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Hung Odonkey	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:00:00 - [19] I like it! It makes sense that these cans would degrade over time due to micrometorites and other cosmic activity. Essentially giving them a useable lifespan when left out in space. SIGNED!!!!
Rafein	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:01:00 - [20] I just want to see anchored cans limited by anchoring skills. Like 5 per level. So at anchoring 5, you get 25 anchored cans. If your mining an area, good. If your done, take down your cans.

Hal2	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:08:00 - [21] Excellent idea... I still remember going back to get all my cans when we were told we had too. Seems like now it's getting worse instead of better.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Rafein I just want to see anchored cans limited by anchoring skills. Like 5 per level. So at anchoring 5, you get 25 anchored cans. If your mining an area, good. If your done, take down your cans. You can still launch for corp but then again your reply has nothing to do with a solution for the current mess in space. It's not just about mining, it's about getting rid of litter, advertising cans, enemy weapons stashes that can't be maintained, etc.. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Spaja Saist	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Spaja Saist on 12/07/2005 15:11:14 Signed Although since CCP was supposed to remove all anchored cans in hig sec over a year ago I wouldn't hold my breath.
Drunken Claptrap	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:17:00 - [24] Great Idea Draft Beer Not People
Pagefault	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Gungankllr I think it's a good idea, just as long as the can owners get a message when a can gets to certain levels of degradation, and in the mail a BM is provided. disagree. let players switch on brain or loose the can. Originally by: Gungankllr Also, there would have to be a system for repairing cans in space. There is: remote hull reppers.
FatBalls	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:27:00 - [26] Jaabaa SUP MAN !!!! Long time no see hope your doing well and super idea by the way. I have cans in space from over a year and 3 or 4 months ago and have no desire to go looking for them so blow them all up CCP I dont mind.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 15:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Pagefault There is: remote hull reppers. They exist -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Bluebeard	Posted - 2005.07.12 20:02:00 - [28] I'm not sure about automatically expiring all secure cans, but having a limit to the number you can anchor based on your skills is a good idea. As the hitpoints of cans is supposedly reduced, cans placed at POS sites should be removable within our lifetime.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.07.12 20:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Bluebeard I'm not sure about automatically expiring all secure cans, but having a limit to the number you can anchor based on your skills is a good idea. But the junk will remain if anchored "for the corporation" ? Originally by: Bluebeard As the hitpoints of cans is supposedly reduced, cans placed at POS sites should be removable within our lifetime. That was shivan's interesting twist to the decay of containers, but I think it's a valid one. I don't know if the secure can's hit points have been reduced but .... consider this: A giant secure has been anchored at a moon you want for the past 30 days, then you only have to take out 1/3 of the secure can's HPs or wait another 18 days and then launch your POS. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jed Tantrum	Posted - 2005.07.12 20:20:00 - [30] Great idea. *SIGNED*



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