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Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:16:00 - [1] Demand a DED presence in low security empire space! Its bad enough to lose highways, makeing a 8 jump journey to a 21 jump journey. Now just about every region has been effectivly cut off by Player killers. All we want is a randome patrol in these areas 0.4-0.1, not massive stationary fleets. All we ask is the same concideration given to the PK'ers, PvPers, and pirates, risk vs reward is the thing they cried about. RISK VS REWARD Make the risk equal to the possible reward. Gate camping PK'ers, pirates, have no risk in getting out done by newbie characters in haulers doing level one cargo missions. Nor do they stand a risk of a non-PvP group comming after them. So in essence CCP has allowed them to cut up empire like a pie. RISK VS REWARD As long as these people control the routs between the regions nobody is going to move anywhere. Each region can maintain a population withen its boarders. And no one will venture to another region. RISK VS REWARD(have I said the enough yet?) no? RISK VS REWARD Send randome patrols of DED warships thoughout 01=04 space. After all that is their job.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Flyyn Make the risk equal to the possible reward. Gate camping PK'ers, pirates, have no risk in getting out done by newbie characters in haulers doing level one cargo missions. Nor do they stand a risk of a non-PvP group comming after them. Newbie characters in haulers on lvl 1 cargo missions = low reward. Way to invalidate your post, dude [Come to Daddy]
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Flyyn Make the risk equal to the possible reward. Gate camping PK'ers, pirates, have no risk in getting out done by newbie characters in haulers doing level one cargo missions. Nor do they stand a risk of a non-PvP group comming after them. Newbie characters in haulers on lvl 1 cargo missions = low reward. Way to invalidate your post, dude What risk did you take there? NONE
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Flyyn What risk did you take there? NONE Low risk, low reward. Seems everything is in order then, isn't it [Come to Daddy]
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:22:00 - [5] furthmore sentires should be placed everywhere in 0.0 and their range and damage should be at least tripled to stop the lame gategankergriefers. how do you expect us to transport goods if we can't AFK autopilot it over those long distances now that the highways are gone ?!?! HOW CCP!?! HELP!
Viceroy	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:23:00 - [6] Puuuuuhlease. Get off your ass and police your spacelanes like everyone else. Also don't assume that you speak for anyone, because you don't. I've seen plenty of pirate hunters spring up after the NWO to protect their space, and quite succesfully. Obviously we will have people like you whining for help instead of doing something about it yourself, but you're the whinority so sorry. No carebearization, thanks. __________________________ Finite Horizon Your end is our beginning.
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Keta Min furthmore sentires should be placed everywhere in 0.0 and their range and damage should be at least tripled to stop the lame gategankergriefers. how do you expect us to transport goods if we can't AFK autopilot it over those long distances now that the highways are gone ?!?! HOW CCP!?! HELP! Dont hijack a post with your dry sarcasium
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:25:00 - [8] The NWO has reinvigorated eve, if anything i think there should be new gates added and some removed each patch to spicen the game up so its ever changing. :) ---------------
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:25:00 - [9] I would not want cocncord in low sec however I would like for factions to assist people in their space that have a good standing with the faction. This would firstly feel right and also would give pirates some more content as they would have to find out if their target is protected or not before shooting. As for it not being safe... there seem to be safe routes to and from all regions, the link Pator-Amarr may no longer be 7...ish jumps (or 2 for that matter) but there are routes that you can find that do not go through ANY 0.4 or lower systems.
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Viceroy Puuuuuhlease. Get off your ass and police your spacelanes like everyone else. Also don't assume that you speak for anyone, because you don't. I've seen plenty of pirate hunters spring up after the NWO to protect their space, and quite succesfully. Obviously we will have people like you whining for help instead of doing something about it yourself, but you're the whinority so sorry. No carebearization, thanks. Same goes to you viceroy. WHERE is all the players still? Safe in empire. You need to do some more agent missions to get to them. RISK VS REWARD
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Fester Addams I would not want cocncord in low sec however I would like for factions to assist people in their space that have a good standing with the faction. This would firstly feel right and also would give pirates some more content as they would have to find out if their target is protected or not before shooting. As for it not being safe... there seem to be safe routes to and from all regions, the link Pator-Amarr may no longer be 7...ish jumps (or 2 for that matter) but there are routes that you can find that do not go through ANY 0.4 or lower systems. would'nt be concord it would be DED that is their job.
Verone	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:33:00 - [12] If you can't handle losing ships, stay out of low sec space in Rens or wherever you carebear types hang these days... and ravage your level 4 agent. You get a CONCORD/DED warning when you jump below 0.5, ignore it at your own risk, just make sure you fully understand there is a possiblity of losing everything you're carrying. Don't carry something in lowsec that you can't afford to lose. MY NAME IS VERONE OF SNIGG, AND I AM GOING TO KILL YOU TILL YOU DIE FROM IT.
Xantarr	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:39:00 - [13] Also, since Eve is a MMO, bring a few friends along in there cruisers for protection. If the cargo is worth the trip, you might kick them back a minor fee and all you make out.
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:44:00 - [14] Oh this is so grand the only ones that reply to this post are the very same ones that CRIED pre patch. You could not find anyone to shoot before, and you cried. Now you get to add some more points to your stupid little killboard each time you kill some newbie in his little frig doing a level one agent cargo load. YOU are in a area where there is NO RISK VS REWARD. You sit at the gates, and wait for some little person to blunder in your web and one shot latter he is dead and your buddies look at what is left. AS you go run and hide at a planet, moon, belt for 20mins. RISK VE REWARD
Xantarr	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Flyyn Oh this is so grand the only ones that reply to this post are the very same ones that CRIED pre patch. You could not find anyone to shoot before, and you cried. Now you get to add some more points to your stupid little killboard each time you kill some newbie in his little frig doing a level one agent cargo load. YOU are in a area where there is NO RISK VS REWARD. You sit at the gates, and wait for some little person to blunder in your web and one shot latter he is dead and your buddies look at what is left. AS you go run and hide at a planet, moon, belt for 20mins. RISK VE REWARD Umm...I mine and haul minerals for sale on a daily basis. I don't PvP, Gank or Gate Camp. What I said about protection is just common sense. If the cargo is valuable, protect it.
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Xantarr Also, since Eve is a MMO, bring a few friends along in there cruisers for protection. If the cargo is worth the trip, you might kick them back a minor fee and all you make out. If you do then you are not very... smart... dont really want to use that word but I cant think of a better one now. Personally I think you are spreading disinformation. Why should you bring along frigg/cruiser/BS escort? You arrive, the pirates lock on to the hauler, blow it to pieces and if they feel confident they can take out a few of the other ships they keep fiering. If the escort is large they will simply kill the hauler and safespot. Ither way you have lost the hauler. Most pirates also use "law abiding" alts or friends to do the cargo retreval, so bringing an escort at this point in the game will do absolutely nothing. One thing that may work however is to bring a canary, send a scout ahead, have him jump to the gates ahead of the hauler, if there are pirates there he can warn the hauler of the trap.
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Xantarr Originally by: Flyyn Oh this is so grand the only ones that reply to this post are the very same ones that CRIED pre patch. You could not find anyone to shoot before, and you cried. Now you get to add some more points to your stupid little killboard each time you kill some newbie in his little frig doing a level one agent cargo load. YOU are in a area where there is NO RISK VS REWARD. You sit at the gates, and wait for some little person to blunder in your web and one shot latter he is dead and your buddies look at what is left. AS you go run and hide at a planet, moon, belt for 20mins. RISK VE REWARD Umm...I mine and haul minerals for sale on a daily basis. I don't PvP, Gank or Gate Camp. What I said about protection is just common sense. If the cargo is valuable, protect it. But see you dont understand what is going on. New characters...level 1 missions...equal no buddies, no corp, no HELP. These fools are laughing every time they kill one.
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 11:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Verone If you can't handle losing ships, stay out of low sec space in Rens or wherever you carebear types hang these days... and ravage your level 4 agent. You get a CONCORD/DED warning when you jump below 0.5, ignore it at your own risk, just make sure you fully understand there is a possiblity of losing everything you're carrying. Don't carry something in lowsec that you can't afford to lose. Do I look like a carebear? Do I belong to a carebear corp? Your lucky your so far away. I dont carry implants and only fly frigs. I can pin ***** ya to death... And on a lighter note. I am off today, but you seem to be on these forums alot. I want to work where you do.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Flyyn Originally by: Verone If you can't handle losing ships, stay out of low sec space in Rens or wherever you carebear types hang these days... and ravage your level 4 agent. You get a CONCORD/DED warning when you jump below 0.5, ignore it at your own risk, just make sure you fully understand there is a possiblity of losing everything you're carrying. Don't carry something in lowsec that you can't afford to lose. Do I look like a carebear? Do I belong to a carebear corp? Your lucky your so far away. I dont carry implants and only fly frigs. I can pin ***** ya to death... And on a lighter note. I am off today, but you seem to be on these forums alot. I want to work where you do. Omg how cute! Anyway, no, we don't need concord/ded in lowsec, lowsec is there for a reason. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Tar' Kahn	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:11:00 - [20] Only flaw is, player killers dont do it for the reward...what does someone in a battlecruiser or battleship want with crappy mods from a newbie? Its like when you would swat a fly, if the fly happened to be flying away from you as fast as it could. No, they do it because they can, and because they like to watch people get ****ed off at them. Its the griefer way, they dont care about the reward, they get their kicks by destroying the ships of those who cannot afford to lose them. Actually, when you think about it, they are the virtual "schoolyard bully" in that respect. But, if i were a roleplayer, and "in character", i believe that i would join the public outcry to concord, to lockdown the .4 sectors between the empires, and reopen the possibility of gallente/minmatar to amarr/caldari trade. Of course CCP did it for a reason..i guess so you have to ask half your friends list about market prices to buy something. Or they wanted to let the pk's snipe newbies..who knows.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:17:00 - [21] Besides, there are some very effective/surprising setups for indy's out there. And T2 industrials are reasonably hardened. ex P-TMC If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:18:00 - [22] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 13/07/2005 12:23:09 There are still safe routes. Sure they are long and you have to set one or two waypints by hand, because the autopilot doesn't get it otherwise, but they are almost risk free. Yesterday I had to bring an uninsured Raven from Nyabainen into Minmatar space. Equipped 5 nanofibres, a mwd and then I took a route with about 25-30 jumps to avoid a pirate camped system. Can't say, that I'm happy in these moments, but it was ok. I was broke, wanted to avoid the risk, it was possible, but it had a price = the long travel time. Btw. these high security routes exist between all empires, many are long and the autopilot doesn't find them without manual help.
Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:18:00 - [23] Yeah, I have got to say as somebody who makes his isk running cargo that pirates in low security space should be as surprising as finding bear s*** in the woods. There are a host of hardened PvPers who will hire out their services as escort pilots. Failing that you could always contract an experienced freight crew . (I will warn you I have a lot on my plate right now though so you may have to wait in line for a delivery). After all it's a high risk running freight in low sec, therefore you must be getting a large reward right? Spend some on some security. You are right, space has been chopped up into safe imperial areas surrounded by wilds. A cold war has begun, borders have tightened. It's dangerous out there. I understand you want to just make a pile of cash with little risk (which does mean you have contradicted yourself) but I don't think the answer lies in getting the game mechanic changed so every system has sentry guns and Concord / DED. This is a multi-player game, recruit some help. I have noticed more and more bounty hunters out there trying to keep the space lanes safe which is very cool. Works for everyone I would think. The pirates want PvP and some rewards (looted equipment from unlucky hunters), the Bounty Hunters want PvP with rewards (bounties) and the space lanes become safer for freigther jocks who don't really get their jollies in PvP (some people freight to support PvP, I only PvP so I can freight, odd ain't I ) and the pirates then have more 'civilian' targets in the form of the increased freight traffic. It's a wonderful thing really all this player interaction. It will be interesting to see if any of these pirate corps hungry for PvP will re-invent themselves as Bounty Hunters? Anyway, I ramble. Eve has a very nice set-up, if you want concord and sentry guns then stay in empire. If you want big juicy rewards then you have to take the risks that come with entering lawless space in a freighter or frigate. As for gankers taking no risks gate camping, well from what I have heard they don't get a whole lot for it. Low risk, low reward. I know it's a naughty thing to shoot at the poorly equiped and law abiding but these pirates is bad people Have fun out there but please don't try to get this game sterilised cos you got capped jumping into low sec in a frigate or whatever loss inspired this post. I hear your paing by get a team together and wrok with them to get the goods through. Peace.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:19:00 - [24] Dear CCP, Please remove PVP from EVE completely. All I want to do is watch the number in my virtual wallet steadily rise for an eternity as I make progress through repetitive acts __________________
Verone	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Flyyn Originally by: Verone If you can't handle losing ships, stay out of low sec space in Rens or wherever you carebear types hang these days... and ravage your level 4 agent. You get a CONCORD/DED warning when you jump below 0.5, ignore it at your own risk, just make sure you fully understand there is a possiblity of losing everything you're carrying. Don't carry something in lowsec that you can't afford to lose. Do I look like a carebear? Do I belong to a carebear corp? Your lucky your so far away. I dont carry implants and only fly frigs. I can pin *** ya to death... And on a lighter note. I am off today, but you seem to be on these forums alot. I want to work where you do. This just made me spit my cup of Tetley Tea and some chewed up toast all ove my keyboard and screen... I luv u... MY NAME IS VERONE OF SNIGG, AND I AM GOING TO KILL YOU TILL YOU DIE FROM IT.**
Sanaen Eydanwadh	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:20:00 - [26] oh and on a more serious note 1 second: I don't know which game you are playing, but probably not the same as I am. We have to stop with these "oh my god there are ebil gankers at each gate in low sec" and "EVE is SOOOO unfair with rookies, they are getting ganked each time they undock because all pvpers are insane sadistic Counterstrike fans". Really. I live in low-sec 90% of my game time, for the last ... 8 months? and I've been "ganked" twice, once in a frig because I was asking for troubles, once in a cruiser at a gate because I've had bad luck and wasn't very aware. OK I'm not a trader, but as everyone I have to bring slow ships and industrials regularly, never had any problem (sure I scout and/or ask some friends for intel when necessary, but everybody is able to do that?) So 1¦ your agressivity Flyyn is ridiculous, and 2¦ I don't even know what you are talking about...
Verone	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh oh and on a more serious note 1 second: I don't know which game you are playing, but probably not the same as I am. We have to stop with these "oh my god there are ebil gankers at each gate in low sec" and "EVE is SOOOO unfair with rookies, they are getting ganked each time they undock because all pvpers are insane sadistic Counterstrike fans". Really. I live in low-sec 90% of my game time, for the last ... 8 months? and I've been "ganked" twice, once in a frig because I was asking for troubles, once in a cruiser at a gate because I've had bad luck and wasn't very aware. OK I'm not a trader, but as everyone I have to bring slow ships and industrials regularly, never had any problem (sure I scout and/or ask some friends for intel when necessary, but everybody is able to do that?) So 1¦ your agressivity Flyyn is ridiculous, and 2¦ I don't even know what you are talking about... The Good lady makes a very valid point... MY NAME IS VERONE OF SNIGG, AND I AM GOING TO KILL YOU TILL YOU DIE FROM IT.
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:35:00 - [28] 1> Flyyn flies low sec space... 2> Flyyn kills Amar. NPC or PC what ever 3> Flyyn dies alot.... 4> I dont care what you think lady, if you are one. 5> I just want to see the newbies have a fighting chance at this game without some twice damned PK'er from linage two killing them. 6> Flyyn has been playing for two years have you? 7> If you not part of the solution your the problem. 8> Tea? Verone thought you were a tough guy.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Lisa Run on 13/07/2005 12:40:24 Originally by: Sanaen Eydanwadh Really. I live in low-sec 90% of my game time, for the last ... 8 months? and I've been "ganked" twice Quote: Depends also on the system and who lives there. Months ago i did a lot of missions in Aeditide over weeks, think it's 0.2 and it was at the boarder to CA space. Almost no problems there. Guess it was, because CA had no interest in killing nubs there, but they had an interest to keep the area clean of pirate corps, because it was one of the main routes for their haulers/traders. Only when a guy named 'Ginger Magician' came I preferred to hide. Was easy living there, I have traveled other low sec areas in eve and they were like hell for a newbie.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:43:00 - [30] Hmm. No. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.

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