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Hast	Posted - 2005.10.19 21:35:00 - [931] Originally by: Uggs386 Edited by: Uggs386 on 19/10/2005 21:03:12 Originally by: Hast maybe its time to just put a big warzone marker all over empire I dont think that so many alliances have been at empire war with eachother before This man speaks the truth now lets get him a beer. I like the way this man thinks.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.10.20 08:00:00 - [932] Requesting warzone marker's over: Lonetrek The Forge The Citadel Heimatar Metropolis Molden Heath And like, all over empire regions. Factions: North Vs. South :) -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
emptydude	Posted - 2005.10.21 12:57:00 - [933] omg wrong character ftl -------- <3 jatonix for my sig... daily is a nub
Paul Castrin	Posted - 2005.10.21 23:25:00 - [934] Originally by: Dianabolic Sorry Josh, my bad, as previously stated a warzone is all we're asking for - however, regards claiming NPC space, there IS precedent - see Geminate, Venal, Fountain, Curse... unless you're referring to areas that are only 0.0 (of which Aridia has quite a few, but "empire" 0.0). Anyway, something for you to perhaps consider for the future. I'd say that if you can't change the sovereignty of a system then it can't be claimed by any save the NPC empire that already has (thus the definition of "empire" space). AFAIK Aridia even though it has .0 space is permanently marked as Amarr sovereign space and no POSes or Outposts can change that. So using that logic, only war markers should be placed in empire space. At least until CCP changes things to allow PC alliances to take over empire space. Honestly I have a problem with any alliance claiming space when they put no more effort to control / defend it than ganking people at gates. Unfortunately the current system is in its infancy and has a long way to go before PC alliances can truly build PC empires that mean more than just cute colors on an out of game map. Gl, gh and hf all!
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.10.22 00:16:00 - [935] Originally by: Paul Castrin Originally by: Dianabolic Sorry Josh, my bad, as previously stated a warzone is all we're asking for - however, regards claiming NPC space, there IS precedent - see Geminate, Venal, Fountain, Curse... unless you're referring to areas that are only 0.0 (of which Aridia has quite a few, but "empire" 0.0). Anyway, something for you to perhaps consider for the future. I'd say that if you can't change the sovereignty of a system then it can't be claimed by any save the NPC empire that already has (thus the definition of "empire" space). AFAIK Aridia even though it has .0 space is permanently marked as Amarr sovereign space and no POSes or Outposts can change that. So using that logic, only war markers should be placed in empire space. At least until CCP changes things to allow PC alliances to take over empire space. Honestly I have a problem with any alliance claiming space when they put no more effort to control / defend it than ganking people at gates. Unfortunately the current system is in its infancy and has a long way to go before PC alliances can truly build PC empires that mean more than just cute colors on an out of game map. Gl, gh and hf all! By that reasoning, NPC regions cant be calimed like Stain so on and so forth.
Admiral HashBlock	Posted - 2005.10.22 03:56:00 - [936] Omg Dude, the only reason you "dont agree" with the fact that "PC Empires" dontrol (or dont control) space, as you say, is because u are bitter because you are not part of an aliance. You are part of a gank squad. I understand how lonelly it might get, and i understand that you simply dont have the numbers to claim your own space, but come on, deal with it like a man, and not like BE, wearing 5 WCS. kthnxbye
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.10.22 14:15:00 - [937] I think it's fairly simple. Aridia has a few high sec systems, but mostly low sec and empire 0.0. The agression in that region will not be restricted to targets of war only. And if 'illegal' agression isn't enough for some target corporations then their turn in the war queue will come sooner or later. Effectively, this makes the region a warzone to all who travel in it. On the other hand, the rest of empire, massive alliance wars notwithstanding, are quite safe for the majority of Eve. These wars only concern those involved in these alliances, and noone has stated the intention to declare or wage war on everyone in any other empire region. Lastly, the distinction between say Aridia and Stain escapes me. Both are NPC sovereignty and thus cant be claimed effectively through game mechanics. The only difference is in those few high sec systems in Aridia that have concord protection. But then again, that's what the war declarations are for. If we can declare war on the inhabitants and make them leave, then I would say that effectively proves dominance over the region, concord or no concord. A warzone mark is by no means a strange thing under the current circumstances, and neither would be a full claim and ownership flag on Joshua's map IF the situation that we ask for it and can back up the claim ever arises. I don't doubt we could, but we haven't asked for it nor proven this ability so that discussion is useless now. Let's keep it for the time we come here and ask for the region to be coloured as our property ok ? _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Cartiff	Posted - 2005.10.22 16:05:00 - [938] Rod, would it not be quicker, to have the individual corps in BOB leave the alliance, thne then war dec corps seperately, thus instead of 3wars, you could have 12 Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
Fred0	Posted - 2005.10.22 16:20:00 - [939] Originally by: Rod Blaine Lastly, the distinction between say Aridia and Stain escapes me. I think Joshua argued the concord perspective. IE it's more claimed than stain because concord does not consider the agression in stain to validate concord intervention. Something it does in aridia. It seems like a rather flimsy argument but works ok if you give the map the background of something official. Maybe distributet through concord.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.10.22 16:32:00 - [940] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine Lastly, the distinction between say Aridia and Stain escapes me. I think Joshua argued the concord perspective. IE it's more claimed than stain because concord does not consider the agression in stain to validate concord intervention. Something it does in aridia. It seems like a rather flimsy argument but works ok if you give the map the background of something official. Maybe distributet through concord. Well, I think the map is about giving players info, not about fitting into the CCP storylined background (at least, less so). And as I said, in aridia concord is not much of an issue. Check the regional layout and you'll see what i mean. From a perspective of correctness, sovereignty can not be an argument that prevents marking an area as someone's space. Not becuase of mechanics, but because of correctness of the info the map provides. As to our corps leaving the iga to declare more wars, like I said, we don't need to do that. And also, remember that leaving the iga has some consequences for our sovereignty in other areas. All in all I can safely say we do not care much for the map as a tool of measuring peen. The only reason I would care is because the map provides usefull information for alot of players out there. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
John Blackthorn	Posted - 2005.10.22 16:34:00 - [941] While I no longer hold any diplomatic positions and have since switched alliance many independent corps still live in the lower gemni region. There is no Coalition of Empire (COE) or Crule Intentions presence in the region. I consider FE to be the dominate force in upper Gemni and the lower is basicly just indepedents. The mercenary's roam through the sytems from time to time but most people just don't give them any targets. We do other things such as mine, npc hunt, and moon mining in times they are not around. If you look at ship kills you will see that the only hot spot in the area is the entrace from empire to 0.0 which is the n-r system. And even that isn't hard to get through either.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.10.22 17:26:00 - [942] Originally by: John Blackthorn While I no longer hold any diplomatic positions and have since switched alliance many independent corps still live in the lower gemni region. There is no Coalition of Empire (COE) or Crule Intentions presence in the region. I consider FE to be the dominate force in upper Gemni and the lower is basicly just indepedents. The mercenary's roam through the sytems from time to time but most people just don't give them any targets. We do other things such as mine, npc hunt, and moon mining in times they are not around. If you look at ship kills you will see that the only hot spot in the area is the entrace from empire to 0.0 which is the n-r system. And even that isn't hard to get through either. MC dominates central and lower germinate including FDZ. They are uncontested there. We are not fighting them for it.
John Blackthorn	Posted - 2005.10.22 18:42:00 - [943] Ok well it seems FE has spoken about the FDZ area but please do not think MC dominates the lower region because they just don't. A group of players that roam through the systems and gone 90% of the day does not dominate anything.
Paul Castrin	Posted - 2005.10.22 21:32:00 - [944] Edited by: Paul Castrin on 22/10/2005 21:34:47 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Paul Castrin Originally by: Dianabolic Sorry Josh, my bad, as previously stated a warzone is all we're asking for - however, regards claiming NPC space, there IS precedent - see Geminate, Venal, Fountain, Curse... unless you're referring to areas that are only 0.0 (of which Aridia has quite a few, but "empire" 0.0). Anyway, something for you to perhaps consider for the future. I'd say that if you can't change the sovereignty of a system then it can't be claimed by any save the NPC empire that already has (thus the definition of "empire" space). AFAIK Aridia even though it has .0 space is permanently marked as Amarr sovereign space and no POSes or Outposts can change that. So using that logic, only war markers should be placed in empire space. At least until CCP changes things to allow PC alliances to take over empire space. Honestly I have a problem with any alliance claiming space when they put no more effort to control / defend it than ganking people at gates. Unfortunately the current system is in its infancy and has a long way to go before PC alliances can truly build PC empires that mean more than just cute colors on an out of game map. Gl, gh and hf all! By that reasoning, NPC regions cant be calimed like Stain so on and so forth. You are correct and I see that my logic is flawed. I didn't look at all non-empire regions and thus missed that some regions are actually heavily claimed by certain non-empire factions. Stain being one (Sansha Nation) but there are others as you note. I guess that until PC alliances can wage proper 'war' on NPC alliances / factions and wrest control of regions from them we will be stuck with an imperfect system. Till then I'd say the only limit should be if a region is claimed by a race empire, all the rest are open season (pretty much as it already is). At least we have a nice map to argue over. :) Gl, gh and hf all!
Seleene	Posted - 2005.10.23 00:42:00 - [945] Originally by: John Blackthorn Ok well it seems FE has spoken about the FDZ area but please do not think MC dominates the lower region because they just don't. A group of players that roam through the systems and gone 90% of the day does not dominate anything. Do you have any idea how many POS's in lower Geminate we have destroyed in the last two weeks? I seriously doubt it. Upper, lower... what's the difference? When we see a dot / blob on the map, we move to investigate or kill it. Pretty simple, really. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Dortock	Posted - 2005.10.23 01:30:00 - [946] Edited by: Dortock on 23/10/2005 01:36:11 Quote: Edited by: Seleene on 08/10/2005 10:05:38 Josh can do with the map as he sees fit. You won't see any MC in this thread in a ****ing contest about labels. The players of the area are in communication and the reality of the situation will sort itself out soon enough. You're better than this
j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:28:00 - [947] I don't see why alliances should be allowed to rest empire from factions, because tbh if bob go against Armarr and it's made offical, no offence but if CCP set armarr to kill any BOB, ud lose so bad, and if CCP game controllers sent armarr fleets to low sec, ud die, i think ur kidding urself tbh But good luck, i think this move is brilliant and very stupid at the same time Such is Life
ElricUK	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:55:00 - [948] Edited by: ElricUK on 24/10/2005 01:56:59 If BoB can achieve a lock down of the region and mantain a heavy presence there then I think the map should reflect that. One of the nice things about EvE is that it has always been about what the players can do with the game, whether it was anticipated/expected by the devs or not. If BoB want to restle control of a region from an empire then I say its up to CCP to catch up and make changes to the game to allow it to happen (with in reason of course and not without suitable repocutions). A subject for a different thread tho perhaps
Mr Jack	Posted - 2005.10.24 06:42:00 - [949] even so, it would be pretty cool to reflect the whole north v south situation in empire somewhow. This could be achieved by a line in the sand, a kick ass border which roughly cuts through the universe, that'd look pretty cool, but would be hard to keep track of.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.10.24 07:19:00 - [950] Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/10/2005 07:20:11 Originally by: j0rz I don't see why alliances should be allowed to rest empire from factions, because tbh if bob go against Armarr and it's made offical, no offence but if CCP set armarr to kill any BOB, ud lose so bad, and if CCP game controllers sent armarr fleets to low sec, ud die, i think ur kidding urself tbh Let me highlight the important parts of your post. Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Your post has no relevance to whether or not there should be a warzone in Aridia to warn neutrals that we are killing everything there. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Assassin 2	Posted - 2005.10.24 07:35:00 - [951] Branch needs to be contested between RISK and Pheonix Alliance, Risk have taken 1 station and total sovereignity over D4R, we also have soveriegnity over BKG but dont own the station......................yet. -=silent... but... deadly=-
j0rz	Posted - 2005.10.24 09:57:00 - [952] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/10/2005 07:20:11 Originally by: j0rz I don't see why alliances should be allowed to rest empire from factions, because tbh if bob go against Armarr and it's made offical, no offence but if CCP set armarr to kill any BOB, ud lose so bad, and if CCP game controllers sent armarr fleets to low sec, ud die, i think ur kidding urself tbh Let me highlight the important parts of your post. Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Your post has no relevance to whether or not there should be a warzone in Aridia to warn neutrals that we are killing everything there. dbp Its not ur space and nor will it ever be Such is Life
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2005.10.24 10:18:00 - [953] Originally by: j0rz Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/10/2005 07:20:11 Originally by: j0rz I don't see why alliances should be allowed to rest empire from factions, because tbh if bob go against Armarr and it's made offical, no offence but if CCP set armarr to kill any BOB, ud lose so bad, and if CCP game controllers sent armarr fleets to low sec, ud die, i think ur kidding urself tbh Let me highlight the important parts of your post. Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Originally by: j0rz if Your post has no relevance to whether or not there should be a warzone in Aridia to warn neutrals that we are killing everything there. dbp Its not ur space and nor will it ever be Depends on how factional warfare is implemented so, never say never, it could one day belong to BoB and not the Amarr Empire, but I suppose that discussions for another thread! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.10.24 12:51:00 - [954] Originally by: j0rz Its not ur space and nor will it ever be And at no point have we tried to claim it. Please read before wasting bw, Thanks, dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
John Blackthorn	Posted - 2005.10.24 16:02:00 - [955] I'd like to applogize to the residence of the upper Gemni region. It seems I was wrong in my assumptions of the FDZ area. I had thought FE was still there but have been corrected on these forms as well as several polite eve mails. From now on I'll just limit my observations to the lower gemni o-v to atioth area. Which has a mixture of eight to ten indendent corps. We regonize the upper Gemni being part of 4s, the Great Wildlands being part of -v-, and Cache/Insomother being part of Red Alliance. -BT
batardion	Posted - 2005.10.24 16:43:00 - [956] Do NBSI still wage war in GW as the map says? What do they say? Similarly do "Foundation" corps believe that they are in a position to wage war there? (as opposed to being awarded a "pirate infestation" marker for say 01:00 - 03:00 GMT) I am not saying this is or isnt the case just asking for their honest opinion if they feel like giving it.
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.10.24 17:55:00 - [957] MC has left geminate and it is once again property of the forsaken empire.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.10.24 18:15:00 - [958] Originally by: John Blackthorn I'd like to applogize to the residence of the upper Gemni region. It seems I was wrong You should have stopped right there, TBH. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Qwynn	Posted - 2005.10.24 20:00:00 - [959] Are we going to get a map update anytime soon?
dimitri karamazov	Posted - 2005.10.24 21:09:00 - [960] zomfg i want a map update now! its been almost 20 days, dont make me start a new map maker thread!

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