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Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
88
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:00:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
- You can't delete skills that are prerequisites to other skills. E.g You can't delete spaceship command without first deleting advanced spaceship command.
This would cost allot to CCP to do, and would add no game value at all. Simply CCP will not do it. There is no point trying to convince us that this is needed. Just say one in-game positive aspect of your idea! do you get any sort of advantage on haven 1 less skill??? Although, If you ask CCP to add some way to customize the shown skills, or make something more useful with the certificates, more people would stay at your side.
I don't know of your knowledge of the cost of running a game development studio, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you don't know much regarding costs.
The positive aspect is it will give players the option to remove skills they no longer wanted. Similar to how implants can be removed.
Perhaps then for an alternate idea would be as to how steam displays their game list. Allowing you to display only installed items to clear clutter from your view. Taking this in to effect they could make it so you could hide individual skill levels from view.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
88
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:04:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote: Edit: The "poor choice" was at character creation. You picked the wrong school. Edit2: Deal with it.
And, yes, your suggestion is this elaborate method to remove something that doesn't need to be removed. When you can simply just ignore the mistakes (fine, or mis-clicks) you made.
Thank you.
1. I picked the imperial academy and as far as I'm aware, that was the correct choice as it's a combat school. 2. I'm trying to, by making this thread I'm giving CCP the idea & inspiration to "deal with it" indeed.
You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
88
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:08:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:It's unnecessary, so no. Let me also clarify - it's not unnecessary the way new ship models are unnecessary or the way that new sky boxes are unnecessary. It's unecessary in that it fails to do any of the following three things:
- Add value to the game as a whole, either by adding content, making content more immersive, or improving the look and feel of the game to any significant degree.
- Improve game play or game balance.
- Affect a substantial number of players in any positive manner. Regardless of the number of players that ever use this feature, the final effect is, at best neutral in that the only individual that cares about it is the player actually doing it.
Quite frankly, it's a waste of development time which could be spent on any number of other things, including ship rebalancing, adding new content, or fixing the broken ass sovereignty system.
It would add value to my gaming experience because It would be one less annoyance/s in my character sheet. Again, what you perceive as a waste of development time, what I see as a waste of development time and what CCP themselves see as a waste of development time are entirely different things. Please do not speak on behalf of CCP when you are not affiliated with their time management whatsoever.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
13
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:16:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:It's unnecessary, so no. Let me also clarify - it's not unnecessary the way new ship models are unnecessary or the way that new sky boxes are unnecessary. It's unecessary in that it fails to do any of the following three things:
- Add value to the game as a whole, either by adding content, making content more immersive, or improving the look and feel of the game to any significant degree.
- Improve game play or game balance.
- Affect a substantial number of players in any positive manner. Regardless of the number of players that ever use this feature, the final effect is, at best neutral in that the only individual that cares about it is the player actually doing it.
Quite frankly, it's a waste of development time which could be spent on any number of other things, including ship rebalancing, adding new content, or fixing the broken ass sovereignty system. It would add value to my gaming experience because It would be one less annoyance/s in my character sheet. Again, what you perceive as a waste of development time, what I see as a waste of development time and what CCP themselves see as a waste of development time are entirely different things. Please do not speak on behalf of CCP when you are not affiliated with their time management whatsoever. It is a waste of time because it of those reasons you quoted, at best it's something for a single person, or small minority's benefit especially considering that time could be used for something actually productive. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
830
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:19:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:It's unnecessary, so no. Let me also clarify - it's not unnecessary the way new ship models are unnecessary or the way that new sky boxes are unnecessary. It's unecessary in that it fails to do any of the following three things:
- Add value to the game as a whole, either by adding content, making content more immersive, or improving the look and feel of the game to any significant degree.
- Improve game play or game balance.
- Affect a substantial number of players in any positive manner. Regardless of the number of players that ever use this feature, the final effect is, at best neutral in that the only individual that cares about it is the player actually doing it.
Quite frankly, it's a waste of development time which could be spent on any number of other things, including ship rebalancing, adding new content, or fixing the broken ass sovereignty system. It would add value to my gaming experience because It would be one less annoyance/s in my character sheet. Again, what you perceive as a waste of development time, what I see as a waste of development time and what CCP themselves see as a waste of development time are entirely different things. Please do not speak on behalf of CCP when you are not affiliated with their time management whatsoever.
I was posting my opinion - I fail to see anywhere in my post where I claimed to be speaking on behalf of CCP. But since you went ahead and went full ******:
I don't really give a crap about your OCD and whatever petty annoyances you may have with your character sheet. Of all the problems this game has, YOU being unhappy with YOUR character sheet doesn't even rate on my give-a-****-o-meter.
Also, next time you ask for a carefully thought out, well constructed argument, don't be so pissy when you get one. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
88
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:20:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:It is a waste of time because it of those reasons you quoted, at best it's something for a single person, or small minority's benefit especially considering that time could be used for something actually productive.
But it's not because it's cleaning up my character sheet, making it more organised. I think you might be surprised as to how many people migth use this to remove that "pesky" skill that has been sitting at level 1 for years of time gathering dust.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
14
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:26:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Drake Doe wrote:It is a waste of time because it of those reasons you quoted, at best it's something for a single person, or small minority's benefit especially considering that time could be used for something actually productive. But it's not because it's cleaning up my character sheet, making it more organised. I think you might be surprised as to how many people migth use this to remove that "pesky" skill that has been sitting at level 1 for years of time gathering dust. Like I said, true waste of time. It is simpler and more efficient for you to ignore it. |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
88
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:27:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote: I was posting my opinion - I fail to see anywhere in my post where I claimed to be speaking on behalf of CCP. But since you went ahead and went full ******:
I don't really give a crap about your OCD and whatever petty annoyances you may have with your character sheet. Of all the problems this game has, YOU being unhappy with YOUR character sheet doesn't even rate on my give-a-****-o-meter.
Also, next time you ask for a carefully thought out, well constructed argument, don't be so pissy when you get one.
You said it was a waste of development time, of which I pointed out that a "waste of development time" is highly subjective as it differs from every individual and the only people it comes down to who gets to decide if it is indeed a waste of development time is CCP.
Now I suggest you calm down, I merely replied and pulled your card. That's fine, I don't really give a crap that you don't give a crap either but I appreciate the reply nonetheless and yes, It was well thought, but ultimately flawed.
The only one acting "pissy" is you yourself. Raging that you don't care and are acting like a child. I can see you are now trying to derail the thread by trying to get me to answer in a less than constructive way but don't worry I won't fall for that easily.
I welcome your opinion and that of others, just try stay calm and avoid profanity and calling names.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
88
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:30:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Like I said, true waste of time. It is simpler and more efficient for you to ignore it.
I don't believe ignoring something is dealing with the situation. But thank you for reiterating your point for a second time. I'd be happy to discuss anything else you may have to say!
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
14
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:34:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Like I said, true waste of time. It is simpler and more efficient for you to ignore it. I don't believe ignoring something is dealing with the situation. But thank you for reiterating your point for a second time. I'd be happy to discuss anything else you may have to say! I could see this being a legitimate problem if some kibd of penalty came with the skill, but since there isn't one, it's not an important issue. |
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Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:40:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:I could see this being a legitimate problem if some kibd of penalty came with the skill, but since there isn't one, it's not an important issue.
The penalty isn't one in the traditional sense of the word. Personally I see it as a penalty because it's an eye sore on my otherwise organised skill sheet. Fair enough I was responsible for accidentally injecting lab op but I wasn't for the addition of industry 2.
I agree that the issue isn't of utmost importance, I too would prefer CCP to focus on the more important matters first. It's merely a quality of life improvement that can be implemented when CCP (if ever) have some spare development time.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
14
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:51:00 -
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I actually sympathize your plight, so + 12 |

Akara Ito
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:57:00 -
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Fun fact: GMs dont even do this if you petition for it at the moment. (Yes i have tried it) I guess its a safety feature to make sure that hacked accounts cant be completely wiped out and/or GMs dont want to deal with a flood of these once they start doing it.
Could be nice if it would be possible with a build in function.
Callic Veratar wrote:Reasonable idea from the point of view of keeping your character sheet clean. However, you mention hackers, and based on the player interactions in this game, I would be highly suspect of introducing such a feature.
It changes methods of player social interaction from in character/player to a customer level thing. For example, if I could find the account information for Supercap pilots, I could delete the skills prior to a major engagement. Even if it was determined that hacking was the result of the deletion, the battle would already be over, with the only option to fix it being a full server roll back.
Do not underestimate the lengths players will go to be dicks to each other.
Call me conservative but I'd just selfdestruct the super , clonejump once and pod the character back to empire space. That should do the job just as well. |

Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:01:00 -
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I think its fine if they want to make unplug skill a feature of the skill system
- the SP should be wasted
- there should be a timer similiar to the biomass process that prevents "accidents"
but i see no reason for secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown.
Would it be a better solution to implement a "hide skill from skillsheet/API" option?? You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:08:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:I actually sympathize your plight, so + 12
Haha thank you, that rocketed me all the way to 100 likes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc
Akara Ito wrote:Fun fact: GMs dont even do this if you petition for it at the moment. (Yes i have tried it) I guess its a safety feature to make sure that hacked accounts cant be completely wiped out and/or GMs dont want to deal with a flood of these once they start doing it.
Could be nice if it would be possible with a build in function.
I can understand that GM's wouldn't want to do this on a ticked based system. I think it would have to be officially implemented for us to see this kind of thing happen.
Bobo Cindekela wrote:I think its fine if they want to make unplug skill a feature of the skill system
- the SP should be wasted
- there should be a timer similiar to the biomass process that prevents "accidents"
but i see no reason for secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown.
I will leave the finer security details to CCP I'm simply just spouting suggestions. The secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown are mainly there to prevent the system being abused by hackers.
Bobo Cindekela wrote:Would it be a better solution to implement a "hide skill from skillsheet/API" option??
I honestly don't know and I'm not in a position to say which would take the less time to implement. Personally I would prefer complete destruction of the skill over a hide/view feature. Though at the moment I'd be happy to receive either. 
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Fade 2 Black
359
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:12:00 -
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Take a look at this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=23768#post23768
and again, this is any sort of good point to loss a skill? other then visual? Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built) Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:21:00 -
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The good point is it adds more structure and organisation to your character sheet. And I loves me some structure and organisation haha. So yes, purely visual I guess. It will have no impact on gameplay other than the fact you will be less effective in what you just threw away. So basically people who use this feature are giving away their SP for the sake of organisation. You might think it's silly and laugh as you think "a skill learnt is never a skill wasted" and they will just be happy to remove that skillbook that has been gathering dust for years.
The good thing is that you lose SP. SP that you will have to relearn in order to reacquire. Meaning the people that delete their skills but regret it only have themselves to blame and meanwhile the other players that didn't delete their skill can point & laugh saying "I told you so!". This is a fair consequence and will (very very slightly or possibly largely) allow other players to catch up to others in terms of SP total.
That's about the only real impact I can see it having for a quality of life improvement.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:24:00 -
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Also I just want to say thank you for all the replies so far that have helped flesh out the idea a bit more. Appreciate it!
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:05:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:
You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is it? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.
"Ignoring it" means "just deal with it and move on".
Thank you.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
392
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:07:00 -
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Let it be your challenge, all be it a stupid and misguided one, that you train only skills you need for combat. Like choosing a name you can be happy with, choose carefully the skills you train. ...and forget about relying on CCP to help you clean up your mess and bad planning . -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:38:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is it? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.
"Ignoring it" means "just deal with it and move on". Thank you.
Thank you for the bump
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:39:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Let it be your challenge, all be it a stupid and misguided one, that you train only skills you need for combat. Like choosing a name you can be happy with, choose carefully the skills you train. ...and forget about relying on CCP to help you clean up your mess and bad planning .
Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:11:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Mikhael Taron wrote:
Danika Princip is a known dickhead with delusions of Grand Troll Master. That he responded as he did means your idea has merit.
Post with your main so I can stick a bounty on you.  And tell us again how every awful idea that has already been suggested 500 times must have merit just because people don't like it.
"Mummy, mummy, I'm sticking a bounty on that nasty man!" "That's nice, dear! Now clean yourself up and throw the handkerchief into the laundry basket."
Tell you again about every awful idea?!? Point out where I said that the first time. I think you're hinge has become loose. You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
53
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:18:00 -
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No. Seek help for your disorder instead. |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
100
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Posted - 2013.02.05 11:10:00 -
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Rented wrote:No. Seek help for your disorder instead.
Thanks for the bump! I've pretty much covered everything there is to say now I think, all issues have been ironed out to avoid potential problems with hackers and misuse.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
53
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:08:00 -
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As long as 'why not' is valid reasoning for catering to pointless niche interests, I'd like the ability to put giant pink tassles on my ship. |

Korgoroth
Suboc Industries Infinite Aggression
1
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:45:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, do you lock your front door over and over again, in groups of 3? |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
101
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:21:00 -
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Korgoroth wrote:Just out of curiosity, do you lock your front door over and over again, in groups of 3?
4 actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EUTqW32gx9k
haha
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sasha Khaine
Dr. Wolfgang
101
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:25:00 -
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Rented wrote:As long as 'why not' is valid reasoning for catering to pointless niche interests, I'd like the ability to put giant pink tassles on my ship.
Would you like glitter with that?
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.02.06 08:14:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:
Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.
... because I didn't read the full description of the school I chose.
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