What do you think?

So an elaborate game mechanic designed and implemented because:

A) You made a poor choice or poor choices
B) You have self-diagnosed OCD (not a personal attack just quoting you).

I will answer your question with one word:

No.

Thank you.

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To your credit, I am impressed you didn't ask for SP reimbursement.

Thank you!!

So an elaborate game mechanic designed and implemented because:

A) You made a poor choice or poor choices
B) You have self-diagnosed OCD (not a personal attack just quoting you).

I will answer your question with one word:

No.

Thank you.

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To your credit, I am impressed you didn't ask for SP reimbursement.

Thank you!!

Why does it even matter?

Do you just want cheaper clones or something?

Learn to search, find the other threads about this, and go away.

I like it. Unplugging means solely lost SP and time and NO reimbursement whatsoever. Just a cleanup a niched characters skill sheet and I would also include a fee of some sort.

However, I think that implementing such an option would need also need to have more than one limit in terms of how often one could do this. A one time thing to remove some skills and then similarly to Remapping attributes you would have to wait a year.

It matters because I don't like seeing industry level 2 polluting my character sheet. I didn't even put it there to begin with. I like things tidy and organised that's why it matters. It might not matter to you but I'm sure other people feel the same way.



Because removing a skill with industry 2 and lab operation 0 will reduce the cost so much right?



Most other threads ask for an SP reimbursement and to get the skill book back. My idea doesn't. If you don't like it, move along mate. I'm sure there are many other threads awaiting your intelligent response.

It WILL be used to get cheaper clones.

That or it'll be a thing people do with hacked accounts, as well as just stealing everything. On top of that, one round of buffs later and you'll have loads of people demanding their skills back.

Reasonable idea from the point of view of keeping your character sheet clean. However, you mention hackers, and based on the player interactions in this game, I would be highly suspect of introducing such a feature.

It changes methods of player social interaction from in character/player to a customer level thing. For example, if I could find the account information for Supercap pilots, I could delete the skills prior to a major engagement. Even if it was determined that hacking was the result of the deletion, the battle would already be over, with the only option to fix it being a full server roll back.

Do not underestimate the lengths players will go to be dicks to each other.

You clearly didn't read the effects that would stop such an act from happening. Also they can demand all they like but they knew it was permanent, if they felt like it could have been buffed in the future they would have kept the skills. You are just nit picking now and really it's rather pathetic.

Danika Princip is a known dickhead with delusions of Grand Troll Master. That he responded as he did means your idea has merit.

2 Thoughts:

1.) The Supercap losing their skill thing is not relevant... People might "delete" the skill on a hacked account... and they are far more likely to run off with the supercap, or self destruct it rather than delete the skill. Furthermore, since we are already doing a skill delete check, just make it so you have to be in a capsule to delete a skill....

2.) This idea seems well thought out, with decent "abuse" prevention mechanics.... It has been posted before (in Assembly Hall) in a very similar fashion... My biggest concern is the amount of "dev time" required to implement this feature. The feature really adds little to the game, might increase the number of petitions (I accidently deleted my Skill, please give it back), and probably will result in more destructive "hacks". If this is a quickly-implemented feature to make you happy, I'm ok with it... but it probably isn't... and I'd personally prefer the Dev's spend their time working on other features...

Danika Princip is a known dickhead with delusions of Grand Troll Master. That he responded as he did means your idea has merit.

well yes. why not.

But in all seriousness. Why would you ever do that? What is the problem with mining 2 on your combat char. Why would it sell less or hurt you in any way? Eve is one of the few games where you can't skill anything wrong, its not like mining 2 would block the titan skillbook. Even as hardcore roleplay person you can probably figure out a reason why john j. spaceship rambo trained mining in his youth.

Sorry, the problem is not only that this is a Idea that goes against the choice-consequence idea that is the base of the game but also to add this feature to the game you would have to waste some man hours of the eve developers, and also it would be wasting hard drive of every eve player.

I just think that this change don't worth the effort... eve have some bigger problems at the moment...

Sorry, the problem is not only that this is a Idea that goes against the choice-consequence idea that is the base of the game, but also to add this feature to the game CCP would have to waste some man hours of the eve developers, and also it would be wasting hard drive of every eve player.

Also this feature would have a big chance to mess up the skill tree, removing pre-requisites of other skills... So it would need a massive amount of code just to ensure that this don't happen..

I just think that this change don't worth the effort... eve have some bigger problems at the moment...

Why don't you go troll your own horrifically terrible thread about NPC corps instead.

tbh, this suggestion isn't bad. It doesn't ask for reimbursement of SP or time... just that the skills can be removed Almost like removing an implant.

Why do you care if I lose SP?

Edit: Also it's not really "elaborate" as you say, just thorough and effective.
Edit2: Also I didn't make any poor choices, CCP gave me industry 2 by default and accidentally injecting lab op was due to my mouse tracking going spazzy for unknown reasons.

This would cost allot to CCP to do, and would add no game value at all. Simply CCP will not do it. There is no point trying to convince us that this is needed.

Just say one in-game positive aspect of your idea! do you get any sort of advantage on haven 1 less skill???

Although, If you ask CCP to add some way to customize the shown skills, or make something more useful with the certificates, more people would stay at your side.

Edit: The "poor choice" was at character creation. You picked the wrong school.
Edit2: Deal with it.

And, yes, your suggestion is this elaborate method to remove something that doesn't need to be removed. When you can simply just ignore the mistakes (fine, or mis-clicks) you made.

Thank you.

It's unnecessary, so no.

Let me also clarify - it's not unnecessary the way new ship models are unnecessary or the way that new sky boxes are unnecessary. It's unecessary in that it fails to do any of the following three things:

• Add value to the game as a whole, either by adding content, making content more immersive, or improving the look and feel of the game to any significant degree.
• Improve game play or game balance.
• Affect a substantial number of players in any positive manner. Regardless of the number of players that ever use this feature, the final effect is, at best neutral in that the only individual that cares about it is the player actually doing it.

Quite frankly, it's a waste of development time which could be spent on any number of other things, including ship rebalancing, adding new content, or fixing the broken ass sovereignty system.

It would add value to my gaming experience because It would be one less annoyance/s in my character sheet. Again, what you perceive as a waste of development time, what I see as a waste of development time and what CCP themselves see as a waste of development time are entirely different things. Please do not speak on behalf of CCP when you are not affiliated with their time management whatsoever.

It would add value to my gaming experience because It would be one less annoyance/s in my character sheet. Again, what you perceive as a waste of development time, what I see as a waste of development time and what CCP themselves see as a waste of development time are entirely different things. Please do not speak on behalf of CCP when you are not affiliated with their time management whatsoever.

It is a waste of time because it of those reasons you quoted, at best it's something for a single person, or small minority's benefit especially considering that time could be used for something actually productive.

But it's not because it's cleaning up my character sheet, making it more organised. I think you might be surprised as to how many people migth use this to remove that "pesky" skill that has been sitting at level 1 for years of time gathering dust.

I was posting my opinion - I fail to see anywhere in my post where I claimed to be speaking on behalf of CCP. But since you went ahead and went full ******:

I don't really give a crap about your OCD and whatever petty annoyances you may have with your character sheet. Of all the problems this game has, YOU being unhappy with YOUR character sheet doesn't even rate on my give-a-****-o-meter.

Also, next time you ask for a carefully thought out, well constructed argument, don't be so pissy when you get one.

Like I said, true waste of time. It is simpler and more efficient for you to ignore it.

I don't believe ignoring something is dealing with the situation. But thank you for reiterating your point for a second time. I'd be happy to discuss anything else you may have to say!

I could see this being a legitimate problem if some kibd of penalty came with the skill, but since there isn't one, it's not an important issue.

Reasonable idea from the point of view of keeping your character sheet clean. However, you mention hackers, and based on the player interactions in this game, I would be highly suspect of introducing such a feature.

It changes methods of player social interaction from in character/player to a customer level thing. For example, if I could find the account information for Supercap pilots, I could delete the skills prior to a major engagement. Even if it was determined that hacking was the result of the deletion, the battle would already be over, with the only option to fix it being a full server roll back.

Do not underestimate the lengths players will go to be dicks to each other.

I actually sympathize your plight, so + 12

Fun fact: GMs dont even do this if you petition for it at the moment. (Yes i have tried it)
I guess its a safety feature to make sure that hacked accounts cant be completely wiped out and/or GMs dont want to deal with a flood of these once they start doing it.

Could be nice if it would be possible with a build in function.

I think its fine if they want to make unplug skill a feature of the skill system

• the SP should be wasted
• there should be a timer similiar to the biomass process that prevents "accidents"

but i see no reason for secondary passwords and 1 year cooldown.

Would it be a better solution to implement a "hide skill from skillsheet/API" option??

Take a look at this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=23768#post23768

and again, this is any sort of good point to loss a skill? other then visual?

You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is it? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.

"Ignoring it" means "just deal with it and move on".

Thank you.

Let it be your challenge, all be it a stupid and misguided one, that you train only skills you need for combat. Like choosing a name you can be happy with, choose carefully the skills you train. ...and forget about relying on CCP to help you clean up your mess and bad planning .

Post with your main so I can stick a bounty on you.

And tell us again how every awful idea that has already been suggested 500 times must have merit just because people don't like it.

No. Seek help for your disorder instead.

Just out of curiosity, do you lock your front door over and over again, in groups of 3?

As long as 'why not' is valid reasoning for catering to pointless niche interests, I'd like the ability to put giant pink tassles on my ship.

Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.

... because I didn't read the full description of the school I chose.

I chose Imperial Academy, the alternatives being Hedion University and Royal Amarr Institute. Really you should learn to read what has been said instead of ignoring it and spouting nonsense.

Thank you. (for the bump)

I have read what was posted. And my statement still stands. You might have gone back and read them more carefully. There is no doubt of that. What I am stating is at the time of character creation, you chose poorly. Let's read that again: you chose poorly.

Regardless if the other schools include Industry 2 or other skills you didn't want. Because I am certain that each of those schools would have also contained a skill you didn't want, even if you were making an "industry toon". You still made a ChoiceGäó that wasn't thought out properly based on your criteria for gameplay. I use the word 'gameplay' very lightly here, because your idea has nothing to do with actual gameplay. It's just your own personal issues that are affected here.

Now I will state that your idea is a poor one. I think it is way too cumbersome than some of the more realistic options that have already been suggested, such as "get over it", "deal with it", and "just don't look at the skills". An idea that would take hours and days of coding and checks and balances based on logins and passwords can be spent better on other aspects of the game. Fact.

Speaking of your checks and balances based on preventing hackers from hurting real players. No thank you. I don't want to even give the opportunity for someone else to log in and completely screw up my character. Even if it was only "1 skill per month or day". Even if they needed to hack two sets of login credentials to perform it. Nor do I want to even think about waiting for a petition to go through to be able to get my skills back. Absolutely NO. Giving the hackers this power to grief would be one of the worst things to be put in the game. And, agree with this or not, this tool WILL BE used to grief. No debating needed.

Feel free to keep hitting your head against the wall. It's your life.

Thank you.

Note: I'm getting a lot of "waste of development time" responses. I understand this isn't a crucial issue, nor one that should be taken in to action immediately. Rather a quality of life improvement that CCP could develop when they have some "spare" time. (if such thing exists over at CCP )

I thought It would be great (for those of us who have OCD lol) to be able to remove skill books from our character. For example I have mining 2 that came with the character and laboratory operation 0 that I accidentally injected.

Making my 100% combat character actually 99.99% combat, grrr lol. I'm never going to use these skills and they are only taking up space making my character sheet less organised so here is what I propose.

Give us the ability to "unplug" skill books that have been injected. The following will occur when the skill book is removed:

• All skill points will be removed from the character sheet with no record of it ever being there
• The skill book itself will be permanently destroyed with no method of retrieval
• The skill/s set for deletion will enter a stasis period of 1 week. At the end of that period you will have the option to go through with the deletion or cancel it.
• This service will only be able to be used once a year, similar to a neural remap.
• There will be a special password you must set in your account management page that must be entered prior to deleting the skill book.
• If you wan't to learn the skill again you will have to buy it again and start at level 0 with 0 skill points.
• You can't delete skills that are prerequisites to other skills. E.g You can't delete spaceship command without first deleting advanced spaceship command.

What do you think?

I have read what was posted. And my statement still stands. You might have gone back and read them more carefully. There is no doubt of that. What I am stating is at the time of character creation, you chose poorly. Let's read that again: you chose poorly.

Regardless if the other schools include Industry 2 or other skills you didn't want. Because I am certain that each of those schools would have also contained a skill you didn't want, even if you were making an "industry toon". You still made a ChoiceGäó that wasn't thought out properly based on your criteria for gameplay. I use the word 'gameplay' very lightly here, because your idea has nothing to do with actual gameplay. It's just your own personal issues that are affected here.

Now I will state that your idea is a poor one. I think it is way too cumbersome than some of the more realistic options that have already been suggested, such as "get over it", "deal with it", and "just don't look at the skills". An idea that would take hours and days of coding and checks and balances based on logins and passwords can be spent better on other aspects of the game. Fact.

Speaking of your checks and balances based on preventing hackers from hurting real players. No thank you. I don't want to even give the opportunity for someone else to log in and completely screw up my character. Even if it was only "1 skill per month or day". Even if they needed to hack two sets of login credentials to perform it. Nor do I want to even think about waiting for a petition to go through to be able to get my skills back. Absolutely NO. Giving the hackers this power to grief would be one of the worst things to be put in the game. And, agree with this or not, this tool WILL BE used to grief. No debating needed.

Feel free to keep hitting your head against the wall. It's your life.

Thank you.

Question: Did you try doing a petition and having them remove those skills???

lots of people would like this, but lots more would use the feature, regret it later, and petition those skillpoints back whenever they change their minds 5 years later.... and the oh so many better things they could use their time for.

Better to use the existing programming mechanism and let us re-allocate skillpoints --- I'm guessing there's some OCD folks out there that would use their AURUM to buy a pass to do just that. :) at least that feature might pay for itself.

Everyone Relax, I have the answer to this thread:

Delete your character. Remake the race you want. Boom instant clean slate no more messy 100+ skills .

Your welcome, feel free to give me massive donations of isk for supporting you to this answer

I really don't understand your logic. There are three choices to be made in character creation regarding as to what school you start in. An industry choice, a combat choice and a trade choice (i think it's a trade choice anyway). After reading carefully each one, I chose the combat school i.e. Imperial Academy, how is that the "wrong" choice when the other two are not the criteria I wanted. In fact, it was the right choice. It shouldn't have included industry 2 with it being the combat school. Fact.

I think the idea is a good one, it's a quality of life improvement that comes with a penalty i.e. losing skill points and the time you spent learning them. But the bonus being you get to remove the skill books that you didn't want and/or been gathering dust for years. I will reiterate what I have said in earlier posts, countless times, just for you. I know the issue isn't a crucial one. It could be something team super friends work on when they have a bit of spare time. I agree that it shouldn't take priority over core gameplay mechanics but it is still a system I would like to see implemented. The password feature was just another idea, it doesn't necessarily mean that it would have to be used.

So you think that having a second password built in to your game will somehow give a hacker the ability to find your login credentials more easily? I hate to burst your bubble sunshine but have you ever heard of biomassing? What's stopping a hacker gaining your login credentials right now and biomassing your character. You would lose far more skill points and time if that where to happen. You would also have to go through the same petition to wait to get your character back. I think you are delusional.

Thanks for the response nonetheless.

This would work if you weren't given industry 2 on character creation. Anyone else with the bright ideas willing to step up and share the infinite wisdom?

there was a time when choices with character selection were slim.

You don't say. News to me.

Maybe check character age before talking about the good old days.

Thank you.

Yes. Of course you think your idea is a good one.

As for your biomassing point. The system isn't perfect. And, in my opinion, a biomassed character is probably easily restored. No need to pour over a skill sheet, etc. etc etc... Nothing is "lost" in regards to skills.

Thank you for questioning my mental state as a point in your discussion. It shows an awesome level of control over your emotions when interacting with other people.

Thank you.

Sure, I'll step up.

I think you should learn to cope with small, ineffectual differences in the things in life. Having Industry lvl 2 is in no way a gamebreaking experience.

What's next? Your market alt that never undocks wants to unlearn Spaceship Command lvl 3. Your scientist alt wants to unlearn Gunnery lvl 3?

I will point out once more that you should just not refresh your clone and engage in that PVP you are so into (because you don't want your combat pilot to have an Industry skill at lvl 2) and eventually you will not have Industry lvl 2. The mechanic is already in the game. You can combine the suggestion of restarting a character from scratch and my suggestion of flying without a proper clone to remove those unwanted skills.

Or, just deal with the small item of having Industry lvl 2. Because I don't see this idea going anywhere.

Thank you.

I cope with it fine, you make it sound like I am ripping my hair out over seeing it. Nope, I would just prefer it gone is all.

Actually, you made it seem like it was such an unbearable thing for you that you need this system put in place. Once more I will suggest your least favorite method of "just dealing with it". It's not that bad is it? To see Industry lvl 2 in your skillsheet?

Just admit that it's not that bad. You'll feel better and maybe this thread will die.

Thank you.

Just because I'm willing to argue for the implementation of my idea doesn't mean I find it an unbearable sight. Yes it's not that bad, but still it would be something I would like to see gone.

Unfortunately you have failed to convince me and many others that this is a much needed change to the game. I am most regretful for the personal situation you are experiencing. However, there is nothing further I can offer to assist you in this issue.

I hope you enjoyed the ride.

Thank you.

I would like to point out at this time that what you are asking for is already implemented into the game.

You have two options at this point in time that CCP has already spent hours of coding on to allow you the ChoiceGäó to fix the mistakes or mis-clicks you made:

ChoiceGäó #1: Biomass
ChoiceGäó #2: Don't update your clone; engage in PVP until that skill is randomly selected as one of the skills to be removed through natural loss of SP.

Now it is simply up to you. Just like the original inclusion of the skills you do not wish to have.

Thank you.