Getting suicide ganked is a much larger and easier prevented screwup, and you say it happens all the time.

Wardecs are also an acceptable answer to people who don't want it.

It's you who mentioned POCOs addition like it was ~Crucible~. Not me.

Tyrannis a PvE expansion?...

Outside hi sec it's possible to shoot the PI structure, to make people pay "rental" and so on. Actually those structures are "PVP enablers" like gates and stations so I can't really see what you are trying to say.

Look at the overall "failure" conclusion Mara.

Many a dev have stated in previous post that ganking somone in highsec was not designed for profit. Why do you guys keep forgeting that?

I would suggest you frequent more mission hubs.

So you want a way to force your gameplay on other people and give them no recourse to object/evade the mechanic?

Don't ignore the 60D results just because the numbers peter off after people get bored.

Oh so you were just arguing that Tyrannis "wasn't a PvE expansion" because of features put in place with Crucible becauuuse....

Where did you see me saying "they implemented POCOs in Tyrannis"?

I mention them because POCOs are a natural Tyrannis "finish up" / follow up, not something that fell out of the sky and required who knows what hops to be activated within Tyrannis gameplay.

I don't ignore it; I gladly point out Incursion and Tyrannis as the exposure of the 'carebear dollar' myth every chance I get - that catering to carebears is fiscally unwise - and that threats of some 'mass unsub' if riskfree iskfarming was impeded in anyway are hollow because the "PvE-exclusive' gains has a lifecycle of 3-4 months tops. Thankfully, CCP has taken this lesson to heart.

The PvE exclusive lifecycle is unrelated to the "nerf the crap out of my hisec mission running ISK farming alt" argument.

I don't ignore it; I gladly point out Incursion and Tyrannis as the exposure of the 'carebear dollar' myth every chance I get - that catering to carebears is fiscally unwise - and that threats of some 'mass unsub' if riskfree iskfarming was impeded in anyway are hollow because the "PvE-exclusive' gains has a lifecycle of 3-4 months tops. Thankfully, CCP has taken this lesson to heart.

Why?

They could actually play the game, or make friends and allies, or hire mercenaries, or pay protection money, or move to a region where wardecs don't apply. "Force my gameplay", good lord.

They could actually play the game

Oh okay, in your opinion Tyrannis, a 2010 expansion, wasn't a PvE exansion because of actual PvP content that was added in 2012 with Crucible.

No it isn't.

how you interpreted that as 'success' requires a true gift, the kind only pro-NPC corp posters have.

Or, you could suck it up and pay the price to kill those you cannot kill legally. Why is that concept so abhorrent to you?.

How else would you term inescapable wardecs people don't want? It might be an over-dramatic turn of phrase, but what about it was inaccurate?

Incursions, is the ONE enforced-social feature in the whole hi sec and you classify it like it's the evil? Social = content = interactions and even pew pew. Seriously, you have some very very odd views about game features.

I would describe it as nonconsensual PvP, something you say you have no problem with (because you support suicide ganking), and I have no problem with either. Let me ask you, should I just not feel like paying whatever price the isk farmer sets and feel like I should pay him what I feel his work is worth? Where did I consent to paying prices someone else has set? Should I just be able to 'opt out' of the player-driven market the way some feel people should be able to 'opt out' of player driven combat? I find one as absurd as the other to be honest.

They could actually play the game, or make friends and allies, or hire mercenaries, or pay protection money, or move to a region where wardecs don't apply. "Force my gameplay", good lord.

It was simply a new ISK fountain, nothing more. Once it no longer became the goto ISK fountain for everyone in EVE, noone seemed to find the alleged 'social bonds' formed during Incusion worth continuing. Funny that.

Let me ask you, should I just not feel like paying whatever price the isk farmer sets and feel like I should pay him what I feel his work is worth? Where did I consent to paying prices someone else has set? Should I just be able to 'opt out' of the player-driven market the way some feel people should be able to 'opt out' of player driven combat? I find one as absurd as the other to be honest.

I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to compete on planets resources.
I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to get a freighter with 2B worth of PI popped.
I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to sell PI at Jita.
I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to find the structure camped in low and null.

It was simply a new ISK fountain, nothing more. Once it no longer became the goto ISK fountain for everyone in EVE, noone seemed to find the alleged 'social bonds' formed during Incusion worth continuing. Funny that.

You should have gone back to pretending POCOs were released in Tyrannis, these are somehow even worse attempts to claim that Tyrannis was a "PvP expansion".

There is still an active incursion community. They engage in PvP too, with various groups shutting down Incursions as a means of disrupting other people's game play. Your argument about "noone" continuing to play Incursions is easily falsified.

oh okay I'll edit my post to say "except for 10 guys" or whatever, good point

Any time you buy a sell order....you're paying prices other have set. Or have you NEVER done that?

Be able to 'opt out of the player driven market'? You already can. You do know manufacturing exists right? And that, if you were suitably motivated you could be completely self sufficient.

I get it, I do: You want to shoot bears for the minimum possible cost to yourself-

and that's fine - but that is absolutely not a reason to screw with the NPC corps, imo.

Just like nullsec is entirely Alex Gianturco and his thousand alts, right?

I have nothing to gain materially from an adjustment of the npc corp scheme (i'm not a ganker, i don't even really pvp that much), other than the philosophical satisfaction that the game I play would have improved internal constancy.

I wish people like the OP would somehow come to understand that sometimes, things that are good for the game (in this case, a player driven game NOT having an npc based safe haven for veteran players) might not be the same as things that are good for their own narrow personal interests.