There is always a workaround, of course, but why should it be cheap or easy for either side? As I said, it would not be cheap to wardec the npc corp to commit to this interdiction, and it would not be cheap to get your corp stocked via buy orders... to get someone to haul it all promptly would mean those buy orders would have to be way over market.

The man has controlled your game by forcing you to place buy orders instead of shuttling around with your freighter.

GF

So you wardec the NPC corp. This buys you lots of targets, but the freighter pilot shifts to a 2-person corp. You then wardec that corp, the player moves to a new corp. I keep getting supplies using that same freighter pilot and you never get to shoot it under the protection of a wardec. The most favourable outcome for you would be if I drag the freighter pilot's corp into an alliance with some friends who like PvP. Then you get the fights you could have had by heading out to lowsec in the first place. Otherwise you end up wasting time and ISK maintaining wardecs with shell corps.

I am sure your reasoning sounds fine to you. But you need to explain it better, I am having trouble following the logic to the conclusion where you get to shoot the freighter under protection of a wardec without facing 3:1 odds due to the freighter pilot having friends.

But what about their alts? Or if they got those kill rights on a throwaway alt?

Then too bad? I mean, only way to even slightly solve that is limiting to one char per account or having people link accounts together, which removes spying amongst other things. And really, I'm sure that's FAR in the minority of why people would get attacked in the first place. How do you know its going to be x person's alt without a bit of homework or them telling you? And what difference would it be if it was an alt in a single player corp that hid well, switching out to a new alt if it gets war decced? You're not going to solve every single issue, much less with something completely ineffectual.

Oh yeah, thats right, people whined until corp hopping was declared no longer an exploit.

They can also join decshield, or any number of other large organizations dedicated to dealing with wardecs... wait, didn't I mention the wardec ally system earlier?

So you wardec the NPC corp. This buys you lots of targets, but the freighter pilot shifts to a 2-person corp. You then wardec that corp, the player moves to a new corp.

You don't do homework on your targets to find their alts/allies/assets before you attack?

So you wardec the NPC corp. This buys you lots of targets, but the freighter pilot shifts to a 2-person corp. You then wardec that corp, the player moves to a new corp.

This is precisely why wardec evasion needs to be fixed and NPC corps need to go away. This sort of **** provides nearly complete safety in high-sec except from suicide ganking, which is quite avoidable unless you're a complete idiot. We almost have Trammel here in EVE for ****'s sake.

The people doing the whining were trying to have it declared an exploit.

And you are still in the position of not being able to interdict my supply chain because you insist on doing so in hisec under the protection of a wardec.

You think they'll all be easily traceable by someone who's making a good effort to hide them?

And.... Ganking would solve this how? You keep insisting thats the way to do it, so explain how ganking would overcome this? Wardeccing NPC corp would handle any situation ganking would, as well as providing a large isk sink, and removing an obviously flawed shelter that doesn't really belong in EVE.

My opinion differs. What is needed is to fix industry so that you need to enter lowsec and nullsec to make the big profits. What is needed is to fix industry so that you cannot supply mountains of titanium in the form of passive targeters and 425mm rail guns. So you need more freighters, you need supply caravans, you need escorts, you need to have vulnerabilities.

My opinion differs.

Suicide ganking the freighter means you have successfully interdicted the supplies and caused the pilot economic harm. Wardeccing results in no kill, because the freighter hops corps. Thus trivially showing that wardecing does not handle any situation that suicide ganking does.

Unless you assume that freighter pilots are all silly fools who will haul to a battle zone under wardec with no escort.

Some of them you have to figure out as the situation unfolds, but thats why you should have someone collecting and sorting intel in real time. You can only get away with an unknown alt once, and then it will be a known alt.

This is why a good corp structure has people who do that as their primary job during wartime.

I agree easy solution is to remove Concord..

Your opinion is that the inclusion of wardecs (nonconsensual PVP) in EVE online is some sort of fluke and that evasion and subversion of the wardec mechanic is a legitimate and intended part of the game's design (despite being for the majority of EVE's existence deemed an exploit). That correcting these admitted errors in game design is 'futile' because players will find "new ways to circumvent it", despite when the most basic of fixes are applied, wardec evasion quickly becomes extremely costly if not outright unviable. Frankly, they aren't "opinions", they're unbacked claims.

"Fixing" wardec evasion only provides a means for players to grief others out of the game.

Hisec industry doesn't need to be nerfed to crap, it just needs to be put entirely in player hands. The only "nerf" really needed is to fix POS refineries, add POS reprocessing plants, and turn all refineries & reprocessing plants into activity lines with finite throughput. Well, that, and severely restricting the number of NPC activity lines of any type.

Incorrect. There are many motives aside from that for starting a war and if wardec evasion were more limited you'd probably see those reasons come to light. Furthermore, need I remind you that griefing is a bannable offense?

Harassment is bannable. Wardecing a corporation out of the game is not bannable.

Incorrect. There are many motives aside from that for starting a war and if wardec evasion were more limited you'd probably see those reasons come to light. Furthermore, need I remind you that griefing is a bannable offense?

I am merely pointing out that making it too hard to escape a war is providing a too-easily abused tool for grief play.

If you can't handle PvP, why are you playing this game?

If you can pvp, why are you then shooting mission runners and miners in hi-sec?

Because it's PvP.

Ah the "carebear dollar" myth, where the baseless assertion that people who are absolutely PVP-intolerant form a significant part of the CCP's bottom line is pushed forward, despite riskfree PvE expansions that catered to these people correlating with little growth and being considered failures.

I don't recall "PvE expansions"