Get them from your fleet support or anchor a GSC.

Why do you assume there is a fleet all the time?
There is not.
I still use a Hulk.
Mackinaw has 100m3 more and can have all mining crystals in cargo.
There is no reason for the Hulk not having enough cargo for that.

Seriously, give it 200 m3 more.
We need at least be able to have enough different mining crystals in there.
I tend to concentrate on one ore, while mining a big variety into jets.
I need those crystals around.
200 m3 more won't break anything.
Thanks.

Covetor and Hulk are meant to be used in a group, so while they have the highest mining output, they also have the smallest ore bays. The reduction of the cargo holds does have an unfortunate side effect for miners; there is much less space for mining crystals. We alleviated this slightly by cutting the volume of mining crystals in half, but it is now something that miners have to plan for before they go mining.

Why do you assume there is a fleet all the time?
There is not.
I still use a Hulk.
Mackinaw has 100m3 more and can have all mining crystals in cargo.
There is no reason for the Hulk not having enough cargo for that.

Seriously, give it 200 m3 more.
We need at least be able to have enough different mining crystals in there.
I tend to concentrate on one ore, while mining a big variety into jets.
I need those crystals around.
200 m3 more won't break anything.
Thanks.

350m3 allows you to hold 14 crystals plus the 3 you have fitted.

That gives you enough crystals for 5 ore types and 2 additional crystals. Or if you're in high sec 3 crystals for each ore type
and 5 additional crystals for your main ore. Or 3 crystals for each ore type with 1 additional crystal for each and 2 crystals for you main ore.

Seriously you need more then that? You're planning on mining 10+ hours without stopping in a station? Or if you're mining with an orca the orca cant give you access to some?

Well then fit a medium cargohold optimization I and gain an additional 50m3. Or fit 2 and hold 4 or 5 more crystals.

There are so many options available to you, adapt and get used to it.

actually it's 13, or you won't be able to swap crystals.

because it'd be impossible to put a crystal in the jet can he's obviously using already, or jettison one crystal to switch?

Seriously, give it 200 m3 more.
We need at least be able to have enough different mining crystals in there.
I tend to concentrate on one ore, while mining a big variety into jets.
I need those crystals around.
200 m3 more won't break anything.
Thanks.

Then maybe this fit is for you.

I'll repeat. You are using a Hammer to drive a Screw into a 2x4 and complaining that it doesn't work well.

[Hulk, EHRMEGERD Crystals]

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Cargohold Optimization II
Medium Cargohold Optimization II

God that fit asking to be ganked. Seriously you need Invulnablity Feild or two, and a survey scanner. Maybe even fit a shield booster in case of emergency. And no shield rigs? You're more defenseless than a new born baby.

God that fit asking to be ganked. Seriously you need Invulnablity Feild or two, and a survey scanner. Maybe even fit a shield booster in case of emergency. And no shield rigs? You're more defenseless than a new born baby.

Yup, that is why I would not use it.
I use a tank fit, especially since I am in 0.0.
But does not matter, I bought a macki and it can hold all the crystals I need while only losing about 150m3 yield per minute.
To be honest, I still want that change since I see no reason why the mack should be able to carry a wide variety of crystals while the Hulk is not.

Each exhumer has it's on role. When will people realize this?


I guess old habits die hard.

Yup, that is why I would not use it.
I use a tank fit, especially since I am in 0.0.
But does not matter, I bought a macki and it can hold all the crystals I need while only losing about 150m3 yield per minute.
To be honest, I still want that change since I see no reason why the mack should be able to carry a wide variety of crystals while the Hulk is not.

Why do you assume there is a fleet all the time?
There is not.
I still use a Hulk.
Mackinaw has 100m3 more and can have all mining crystals in cargo.
There is no reason for the Hulk not having enough cargo for that.

^^ I agree with this. The HULK has enough fleet dependance without needing to store crystals in the ORCA as well. Having a cargo hold large enough to hold three of each crystal would not in any way be game breaking.

Not having enough room for crystals can be game breaking though, at least for HULKS not in a fleet. Some players do still jetcan mine with HULKS, although I would use jetted freight cans as they hold way more, and never despawn.

A mack can easily hold a full set of crystals as it only needs two of each. The HULK needs 50% more crystals, so should have a 50% larger cargo hold. And I do mean cargo hold, as in where the spare crystals are stored, not ORE hold where the ore goes, ore holds are as they should be.

i agree with this, if i had to agree with anything.

ccp say they like choices, so a cargo hold big enough for *exactly* three of each type of crystal (minus one, as they will already be in the strips) plus 25m3 spare so you can swap crystals due to the bad coding is the no brainer.
your choice is then have crystals for every ore, so you're prepared for every situation, or alternatively sacrifice some types of ore in order to carry reloads.

it's a choice, ccp like choices, right?

That's not a significant "choice" given that there's no reason to carry spares of something you only need to replace once every 8+hrs.

A real choice would be "which mining crystals should I bring with me to mine this belt" or "should I assign different Hulks in my fleet to specialize on different ores in the belt."

... well hey...

that's not really a choice.

that's "i need crystals, i shall bring them. then i will need to go out of my way to change them because if i'm mining anywhere that's not high sec i won't have enough room for enough types of crystal"

there's really no choice in the matter, you either have the sufficient crystals or you don't due to the low cargo limit not because of what you put in said cargo bay. you're not making the choice, the choice is thrust upon you. not to mention unless you recycle all part-damaged crystals at the end of the day there's always a need for replacements.

just for the record though; i really don't care, i'm just playing devils advocate here.

If you're not running with a fleet (which implies hauling support) why use a Hulk?

Even if you recycle them, they last ~8 hours. Your hauling support should show up more than once every 8 hours.

Outside of HS, you have massive Roids which means that if you're solo, you'll have to head back to empty your ore bay long before you'll need to change asteroids.

but outside of high sec jetcan mining is perfectly viable.

truth be told i find the hulk fine but i honestly see no reason why more space for crystals would be such an issue. they don't have a problem with the skiff or mackinaw carrying a full compliment of crystals so why would it be such an issue for the hulk? or do they think tedium makes mining more interesting?

And the Jetcans will evaporate long before your crystals break (or are ready for recycling).

anyway that really has nothing to do with the fact that giving more cargo space would/wouldn't break the game. as i said, there's really no reason not to give the hulk more cargo space, it just removes tedium from the game.

no they won't, you just cycle your jetcans. every 3 mins you can produce a jetcan, that's 20 cans per hour, with a duration of 2 hours, that's up to 40 jetcans you can have active at once. that's roughly a full freighter load (40 jetcans is roughly 1.1m m3) of ore you can mine before jetcans start evaporating.

anyway that really has nothing to do with the fact that giving more cargo space would/wouldn't break the game. as i said, there's really no reason not to give the hulk more cargo space, it just removes tedium from the game.

It's intended to be a fleet miner. No need to give it more self sustainability.

And the Jetcans will evaporate long before your crystals break (or are ready for recycling).

Well considering since the new freight containers were introduced there is no need to jetcan mine with actual jetcans. A freight container, while no more secure than a jetcan holds far more, up to 250,000m3, and will never despawn. At least the freight cans I have had sitting at a safe spot since the patch a few months ago have not popped yet.

True you need to drop them off in the belt with another ship, but the enormous freight container is only 2500m3 packaged. And can be jettisoned from a packaged state. I have tested this. So you only need a ship with 2500m3 cargo to drop off a can that will hold 250,000m3. It will not pop after 1-2 hours like a jetcan. and you will spend some time to fill it. Although you then need a freighter to scoop it, any hauler can pick up ore from the can.

These freight containers can be strategically placed through the belt just like GSC's. Only down side is they can not be locked, so are no more secure than jetcans.

So fill them with crystals when you drop them off.

again, all it does is add tedium. there's really no reason to add tedium to the game.

The only thing adding tedium is your choice to us an inappropriate tool for the job and refusing to adapt that tool (cargo expand your Hulk and you'll have plenty of space).

but using a hulk in a fleet IS the appropriate tool for the job.
having to move crystals about is just tedious and adds nothing to the game.

i don't massively care, but a fact is still a fact.

Do not pay him any mind.

*shrug* he's right, there are ways around the issue.
however the issue doesn't bring anything to the game but tedium, tedium isn't fun, isn't useful, and when games are designed for fun introducing tedium for no reason seems silly. even more so when it's just 1 ship that seems to have an issue.