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PRESS
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:42:00 -
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I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:46:00 -
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Don't take battleships out for pvp the first day you got them. For the love of god, I hope you at least had on some large turrets, or else this isn't a funny thread, this is a sad thread.
What happened to you was that you were totally unprepared for that type of enemy. He got in close, you couldn't hit him with the type of guns you were using, and he had on proper enough guns to take you out. But honestly, a frigate could've probably chewed through your armor.
Train up some more. Experiment with a maller with heavy beams. Make a ship with a really great tank. You did not know what you were doing. I'm sorry, but if you didn't know what the aura was, you didn't. Don't sink the 125m into an apoc if you think that it is a win button, because it certainly is not.
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This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:47:00 -
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Sounds like you met someone that knows how to use it... is all ....
Did you have insurance 
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:48:00 -
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Get a BS class webber as well - 35 km, help keep your range on the rax.
He came into his optimal and totally wrecked you because your guns couldnt hit.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:51:00 -
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In this case he would have prolly done better to have medium guns rather than BS ones... specially lasers.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.18 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Stormfront
In this case he would have prolly done better to have medium guns rather than BS ones... specially lasers.
Yeah. Thats why I hoped that he was using large lasers. If he was using medium, it'd be just plain sad.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:21:00 -
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Did you forget to take out your heavy drones and fire cruise missles? Did you forget to turn on one or both of your reppers? Praetors were firing into a minimum 60% resistance so I can't see how you didn't tank that. Unless you were shield tanking 
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Brian Detaah
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:29:00 -
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This is obviously a joke or someone who should not have a battleship.
If its a joke, then you sir are a ebil man, ruining my own lame threads.
If not then go read the PvP guide and then read it again.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
HAHAHA
I think it's an alt
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Tragar
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:48:00 -
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its either an alt or some nub that just got pwned by sentry guns
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.07.18 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 18/07/2005 21:56:03
Edited by: madaluap on 18/07/2005 21:55:00
well you just suck at flying an apoc than...
first thing you need to learn: Its not in what you use(long/shortrange or other special technices). its not in what you fly, its all about sp and skills. with skills i mean that you know how to fly your ship, what its range is, how well it tracks, how i handles bs/cruizer/frig, also that you arent a complete noob and think blue aura is warpscrambling helps too.
but well you learned this the best way you could learn it..the hard way. lessons you never forget. master your ship 100% and be king or go down like noob.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.18 23:06:00 -
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This is definitely a joke, that makes fun of people who think everything that works well or even remotely well, or that requires brain cells, should be nerfed to hell.
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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agronomas
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Posted - 2005.07.18 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
 how posible to get killed by rax in apoc?
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NoLock LetsNegociate
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: agronomas
how posible to get killed by rax in apoc?
Beeing a stupid noob.
Sry man but going to pvp without minimal skills and experience in a BS is stupidity.
/me laught
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agronomas
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: NoLock LetsNegociate
Originally by: agronomas
how posible to get killed by rax in apoc?
Beeing a stupid noob.
Sry man but going to pvp without minimal skills and experience in a BS is stupidity.
/me laught
ohh i see no problen mate
next time new ships try on rats
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Okoru
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:26:00 -
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this is sad...
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What I say has nothing to reflect on what my corp decides, because... I'm stupid! :D
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: NoLock LetsNegociate
Originally by: agronomas
how posible to get killed by rax in apoc?
Beeing a stupid noob.
Sry man but going to pvp without minimal skills and experience in a BS is stupidity.
/me laught
Erm thorax could take a bs quiet easliy if the pilot knows what he is doing and the apoc dosn't he just cleary got unlucky, fit a 1600 plate and a 800 plate(and a pdu,cap relay,d mod/stabbie) and orbit at 500m the guns rarly hit and you slowy(very VERY) wear down his armour...
Ikvar > This peice of
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:47:00 -
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if they rarely hit, then why would you need a plate?
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
While the thorax is a strong cruiser, what your story REALLY indicates is that you are clueless.
Clearly you had a crap setup, no idea of what is going on, no decent tank (a decent apoc tank can easily soak up a thoraxs damage), and low Sps.
This has been said a million million times: NEVER fly a BS until you have the auxillery skillpoints to fly it well.
Im talking Engineering V, Weapon Upgrades IV (At least), Electronics V, Mechanic V, Repair Systems IV, Hull Upgrades IV, Large Energy Turret IV, Energy Operations IV, and most of the other engineering and Gunnery skills to IV as well.
Jesus H Christ. This isnt "Elves and Fairies online" where a level 50 automatically beats a lev 49, and a +12 sword of pwnge beats a +11 staff of raipe. You need to plan your loadout and your strategy a little more than locking on to the enemy, turning on a mismash of guns and hoping they die before you do!
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.19 01:58:00 -
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Yes, the Thorax is overpowered and needs a drone bay nerf (after all, a Thorax pilot with skills at lvl 3 can put out 300 DPS).
HOWEVER, you obviously made some pretty glaring mistakes. The first was letting the Thorax get close enough to web and scramble you in the first place. The second is obviously some fitting or tanking issues, an Apoc when properly fitted can tank just about anything in the game, including a Thorax. Lastly, it sounds like you didn't have any drones. A compliment of Heavy Drones would have probably made a big difference in that fight.
So yes. While you WERE beaten by an overpowered ship, it wasn't entirely through no fault of your own.
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Nullguide
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Posted - 2005.07.19 01:58:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry but thats sweet... Rax is overpowered but w.e... ive taken them out with mallers and other ships... all in the skills and the way you know how to fly it.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.07.19 02:19:00 -
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two questions for the OP:
1) What are your skills?
2) What was your ship fitting?
Without this info, we can only assume you did not have adequate skills and/or had a bad setup
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.07.19 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey.
Ok you dont even know if he was warp scrambling or webbing you... Just how many skillpoints do you have?
Just because you have a Battleship doesnt mean you win. You need lots and lots of skillpoints to be good in a BS so for now get in a frig or cruiser untill you acctually have enough SP for a BS
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.07.19 02:38:00 -
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Rax = Sexy death machine with right setup and good pilot. Nothing like teh bIg penile object headed towards you at 1k m/s with drones popping out everywhere to WTFBBQPWZ yer BS.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.07.19 03:28:00 -
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This guy is just at 2 months old. So either an alt joke or another person who did the mad dash to a BS.
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Uglious
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Posted - 2005.07.19 03:54:00 -
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So a little investigation...
Press: Member of Federal navay Academy for 2 months...
Trying to do PVP in an Apoc. In .4! At a gate... Bahahahaha
I'm approaching 1 year in the game now, and have given up playing BS's, but instead focusing on HAC skills and working on perfect gunnery skills. Once I have those in place, THEN I will look at getting a BS again. I also don't do level 4 missions--I do level 3 and except for some of the new ones, have no issues, and have made 1B isk in a single day doing it. Yes, that's right, a B for Billion (it was a very good day though). I push the newer corpies to stick to med weapons, as trying to get honestly good in a BS takes a long time, but to get effecitve in a cruiser/BC class is much easier.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.07.19 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Uglious
So a little investigation...
Press: Member of Federal navay Academy for 2 months...
Trying to do PVP in an Apoc. In .4! At a gate... Bahahahaha
I'm approaching 1 year in the game now, and have given up playing BS's, but instead focusing on HAC skills and working on perfect gunnery skills. Once I have those in place, THEN I will look at getting a BS again. I also don't do level 4 missions--I do level 3 and except for some of the new ones, have no issues, and have made 1B isk in a single day doing it. Yes, that's right, a B for Billion (it was a very good day though). I push the newer corpies to stick to med weapons, as trying to get honestly good in a BS takes a long time, but to get effecitve in a cruiser/BC class is much easier.
............2 months old........in a Battleship.....
Damn thats stupid. I did not even think of a BS until 6 months, and even then, only as an NPC hunting platform. I've got nearly 19mil SPs now and I STILL think my BS flying abilities are barely enough for pvp.
And from the original post it seems he did not even realize the Thorax had the help of two sentry guns (assuming it happened near a gate....).
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.19 04:31:00 -
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I'm sure this is a joke but it proves that skill beats "big"
Plus he didnt have to touch you. The sentries woulda done it all for him. You would harldy have noticed praetor drones, they are em and you should have decent EM resists in armour.
Thx for the giggle though
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.19 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: JoeSomebody
if they rarely hit, then why would you need a plate?
To actually get into orbit range?
Rax without a plate ~ 3000 hit points.
Rax with a plate ~ 6500+ hit points, 4500 of which are pure armor.
ffs, some people will argue anything, no matter how obvious before thinking.
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
"One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.07.19 06:19:00 -
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hehehe kinda like the guy in the armageddon i took out using my taranis : ) i know after he shot at me once he realized what he had done (not being able to dock etc) and with all large turrets, and no drones smartbombs, or nosfers... i think i popped him right before he was able to dock again :)
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agronomas
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Posted - 2005.07.19 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: agronomas on 19/07/2005 06:27:25
Originally by: Nybbas
hehehe kinda like the guy in the armageddon i took out using my taranis : ) i know after he shot at me once he realized what he had done (not being able to dock etc) and with all large turrets, and no drones smartbombs, or nosfers... i think i popped him right before he was able to dock again :)
you are a bad man
edit: make love not war!
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Leonine
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Posted - 2005.07.19 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
It is a very sad day in the history of EVE.
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Bleakheart
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Posted - 2005.07.19 07:46:00 -
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Bet there were gate guns helping the rax as well.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.07.19 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I notice that my SHIELD is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me
wait - were you SHIELD tanking an apoc? did u have hardeners fitted? (to armor or shields)
i can't really believe some1 is complaining that shields without EM hardening are going down to 8 heavy drones doing EM dmg
get yourself a nice little maller with the money u got from the insurance (please say it was insured )
and then do NPCing for a bit while you learn to use and equip your ships
maybe then u can buy a bigger ship, learn to use that as well on NPCs, then u might consider PvP again 
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2005.07.19 09:22:00 -
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Just fit smaller guns also, i reckon you dont have great drone skills, but med drones are pretty good, even if u only have 1 or 2. Fit a nossie, fit a smartbomb, the choices are multiple. Most importantly, fit a webber, imo they rock way too much. But this post is another example of the many noobs that want a bs asap, without having a clue about the mods or skills in the game, need i say raven? Hoora for the logical missile nerf(yes, i am a raven pilot). But here is a real advice. Start with being a good frig pilot, then cruiser, then elite of either one, then maybe a bs, if u can stand the slow speed, after having tried the others.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.07.19 09:29:00 -
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This is a joke. It takes atleast 2 weeks to be able to fly a BS. And hopefully more time to get the isk to buy one. And by then, anyone should be able to know how to use a webber/drones/armor reps or whatever. Atlest if your smart enough to select "aproach" on a stargate heading below 0.5 and then warp to a belt.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.07.19 10:58:00 -
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I lost my Dreadnought to the very same thorax 
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.07.19 11:38:00 -
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i still remember my CEO telli me what to do first before flyin a bs into 0.0/pvp ...
oh how i miss those days .
anywayz , i hope you learned that you shouldnt fly one unless for mining in safe space tbh .
if you want to pvp and its yer first bs try first in frigates and cruisers , that way you also learn what they can do against a bs and that knowledge comes in very handy when flying a bs :)
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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.19 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
its called a blaster-rax, the ship is not overpowered u were just too stupid and rushed into ur BS before u could fly it expecting to pwn everything because u have a BS. ur setup must have realy sucked, i bet u had rcu's and cpu's on, dont embaras urself by posting it, save ur time training the skills.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.19 13:05:00 -
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Altho the original poster is a noob, the Thorax has VERY serious issues indeed, its absolutely insane for a cruiser... can easily take on any gunship, and even has a chance against a poorly fitted missile boat...
I mean 8 heavy drones? WTF they been smoking :\
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.19 14:20:00 -
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This is the best thread EVER.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.07.19 14:25:00 -
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A cruiser-weapon Thorax can break any non-officer and non-dedicated tanks in game, while a 1600mm plate Thorax will find general-purpose tanks that it cannot break. I've tested it with poor gunnery skills prior to T2 weapons on the CA russian miners, and I did not find a tank I was unable to break ('cept a Megathron which was smart and forced me into a flaming retreat using it's own drones)
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Altho the original poster is a noob, the Thorax has VERY serious issues indeed, its absolutely insane for a cruiser... can easily take on any gunship, and even has a chance against a poorly fitted missile boat...
I mean 8 heavy drones? WTF they been smoking :\
For a blaster ship with the worst fitting of all the cruisers it's not as overpowered as it looks. IFF the Thorax fits it like a cruiser and not with 1600mm plates (which is ruining good cruiser balance everywhere). 1600mm plate setup boost survivability by about 100% while it nerfs gun damage by about 10% for a blaster Thorax (Heavy Electron I to Light Neutron II) and does not affect drone damage. Generally sad as I really love properly fitted ships, and I tell you those kinds of Thoraxes are nightmares. Fragile nightmares.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.19 14:33:00 -
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Ithildin why wud u fit heavy blasters anyway? the damage is only marginally better than lights and it gimps ur survivability so much that, even tho u might be able to break a NPCer tank faster, u will die FAST to drones or simply cruise/torps.
Tbh 8 drones + NOS can take down even a faction tank... as long as you use the right drones ofc...
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.07.19 14:51:00 -
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Just because you where too stupid to pack some heavy drones isn't a good enough reason to nerf the thorax. If you had, the thorax would have blown up before he blew you up. Espically one tripped out for damage dealing.
PS He porably had a turret disrupter too.
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Skuld OdinsDottir
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Posted - 2005.07.19 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
ehrm...0.4 gates still have like 2-3 sentrys. unless that guy was blinking red those sentrys will help pwn you once you shoot him... :D
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.07.19 16:26:00 -
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Thorax/Gallente 4TW. PlaterdroneraxBBQ
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Apoll
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Posted - 2005.07.19 16:51:00 -
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To the original poster, I must say that you probably died because of the sentries and not the Thorax. Also you had a poorly fitting because an apoc can hold the damage from the light neutron blasters and the drones. You are saying you attacked him? Why? Because he had cruiser you thought you can kill him? You cannot even kill an AF if you don't know how to do it. That guy stayed and fight with you. That means that 99% this happend on the gate with sentries hitting you. Or else he could warp out since he doesn't know if you are rat or not.
Regarding the Thorax, believe me that ship has quite a few problems. First of all capacitor. A nos can drain your cap dead fast and just become sitting duck.
Second, anything that launch missiles is deadly for any thorax pilot.
Tbh Mimnmatar and Amarr cruisers (Maller) are much more dangerous than Thorax if fitted properly. It only takes 2 salvo to kill 6 h-drones the thorax can pop. And you have insane resists (Maller).
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2005.07.19 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
Gawd . . . I really hope this is a joke . . .
But if it isn't:
Well if you just trained up your BS skills to fly the ship, I'm curious if you have your fitting, shiled, cap, drone and weapon skills ALL up to appropriate levels (4+) to fly a BS. It doesn't take long to train up to fly a BS . . . It, however, takes a while to train up to SURVIVE in a BS. Skill points for skill points, I'd bet the Rax pilot had more dedicated to his ship fittings, drones and other weapons than you did. Take it as a lesson learned . . . A BS is nothing but a glorified miner w/out decent skillz.
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2005.07.19 18:01:00 -
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BWAHAHAHA
One of the funniest posts i've ever read.
Now if you'll excuse me i'd better clean the coffee off of my monitor.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.19 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Apoll
Regarding the Thorax, believe me that ship has quite a few problems. First of all capacitor. A nos can drain your cap dead fast and just become sitting duck.
Second, anything that launch missiles is deadly for any thorax pilot.
Tbh Mimnmatar and Amarr cruisers (Maller) are much more dangerous than Thorax if fitted properly. It only takes 2 salvo to kill 6 h-drones the thorax can pop. And you have insane resists (Maller).
Umm where to start...
Thorax can pop 8 drones, not 6
Killing them takes time - in a 1v1 thats long enough to get u killed since either u have med guns and lame tank, or small guns and big tank, but then killing the drones will take ages.
I dont see why missiles shud be scarier than guns for a rax pilot.
No cruiser can beat a thorax unless they are specifically fitted with stuff to counter it, like smartbombs/drones.
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GuffenCom
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Posted - 2005.07.19 19:46:00 -
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LOL! I have played for 7months, and i am still flying my rupture :D
ATM i am training the skills to fly a HAC and to use Tech 2 guns :)
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Apoll
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Posted - 2005.07.20 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Umm where to start...
Thorax can pop 8 drones, not 6
Killing them takes time - in a 1v1 thats long enough to get u killed since either u have med guns and lame tank, or small guns and big tank, but then killing the drones will take ages.
I dont see why missiles shud be scarier than guns for a rax pilot.
No cruiser can beat a thorax unless they are specifically fitted with stuff to counter it, like smartbombs/drones.
I had thorax. I know that you have space for 8 heavy, but my example because for 6 since most of the BC and Cruisers have 5-6 guns. 1 gun per drones with good skills on 3rd salvo you drop them.
Come on. A good player can destroy thorax if he setup his ship for close combat. Most of the cruiser pilots fid med weapons which miss like no tomorrow at 1000m.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.20 11:01:00 -
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Thorax is overpowered yes
compared to MOA and RUPTURE its more like BS = Thorax > Cruiser
you can easily get HPs near to tier1 BS, and that with a similar Damage output
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.20 11:05:00 -
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Who the hell take a BS into PvP on the first date?
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
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Glassback
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Posted - 2005.07.20 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4 so I park my ship and saw an approaching Thorax so I lock and load and begin to fire and I notice that my shield is going down quickly and 8 praetors where hitting me, I have a blue aura around my ship (warp scramble?) and I cannot fly away to saftey. the guy in the thorax somehow survives my guns and was able to pod me. What is the point of saving up for a battleship if someone with a cheap cruiser could take you down? I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
101 PvP learnt. You've gained more experience from that than from all you havnt learnt until now.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Altho the original poster is a noob, the Thorax has VERY serious issues indeed, its absolutely insane for a cruiser... can easily take on any gunship, and even has a chance against a poorly fitted missile boat...
I mean 8 heavy drones? WTF they been smoking :\
How can the Thorax possibly be overpowered if it only "rates a chance" against a "poorly fitted missile boat"?
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Taraniis
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Taraniis on 20/07/2005 14:55:26
Originally by: "Press"
I have little isk and I do not want to hit up my friend for more isk and mining is something I do not want to do since it is mind numbing to do. is the Apocalypse just a bad battleship or is the thorax in general just overpowered??
Hang on mate, I owe you a violin.
Seriously, get a grip. Go mine, or shoot stuff up in the other ships that you have (you did keep them right?) And stop scrounging off people, he maybe your friend because he comes running when you start crying, but are you his friend if you keep asking him for money? Seriously, think about that question.
Oh yeah, and neither are a bad ship or overpowered, you just got wtf?pwned by a better pilot, thats all.
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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.20 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX
Thorax/Gallente 4TW. PlaterdroneraxBBQ
YEAH MAN!!
this guy made my day, my god, i bet he just bombed his spacship command and bs to lvl2
lol @ the poster - PRESS u SUCK
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Justice Bringer
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Posted - 2005.07.20 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: PRESS
I finally got my Apocalypse battleship after training to fly one since day one which is not a cheap ship at all I decided to flex my muscles a bit and try out a little PvP in 0.4
Hahahahahahhahahaha
Obviously your muscles aint that big. Tee hee hee 
Train your skills and stop complaining. Did you even look at the employment history of the guy in the Thorax??? I bet he's been playing since June 2003. He definitely looked at your employment history and rubbed his hands with glee.
"Oh look a noob in a BS, let me go and flex my muscles "
And he walked all up and down your hide without breaking a sweat.
Big ship doesn't mean BETTER ship. This game is all about skills. What you should have done is train for a HAS then go for a BS. I've been playing since Oct '04 and I've only now just got into my Wolf. Next on the list is my Ishtar, which is patiently waiting in my hangar, then and only then will i enter a Megathron.
Unfortunately you fell into the noob trap of thinking that a BS with no skills will be superior to all else.
Welcome to the school of Hard Knocks.
Nuff said
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Infineon
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Posted - 2005.07.20 16:06:00 -
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T-rex isnĘt overpowered at all, actually it kinda sucks as cruiserąI have blasted many awayą
Only way it can put up a fight is at optimal, witch in most scenarios doesnĘt happenedą I actually fell bad for thorax pilots, they usually have no choice but to use mwd and that just ruins everything.
Caracl with 5 heavys and 3 racials can easly pwnd t-rex.
And for the kid who lost his Apoc, well his just a moroną ahahahahą
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