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Everything forNothing Every thing for Nothing Corporation 0	Posted - 2013.02.14 01:02:00 - [1] - Quote Dear CCP It's nice that you added a mining frigate.It's one of the best looking frigs in game to be honest. But it is lacking the stat's to do it's job. The gas cloud harvesting bonus, the warp core strength , the large ore hold and the utility high make it great for going into 0.0 to harvest booster gas. The only problem is that it get's one hit k/o by those clouds. The clouds them selves are from a bygone era in EVE. Boosters haven't been touched since they where released. a large % of eve players don't even know what boosters are and even less have used one. But for 0.0 players they are very useful.Since it seems unlikely that boosters are going to be touched in the next expansion or even the one after that. I am requesting a small tweak to the ventures stat's Or even better removing the explosions from gas clouds. Right now with the fit posted below. the venture can withstand about 3.4k ehp. The way gas clouds work isn't exactly clear but it seems they send out and AOE attack at the end of an harvesters cycle. The wave seems to vary from 1200 em/therm to 2400 em/therm. If your unlucky and both harvesters cause damage then the venture goes pop. Even stopping a harvester mid cycle will cause a cloud to "react". High power 1x Core Probe Launcher II 2x Gas Cloud Harvester II Medium power 1x Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Medium Shield Extender II Low power 1x Damage Control II Rig Slot 1x Small Processor Overclocking Unit I 1x Small Core Defense Field Extender I 1x Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I I have found no better fit that is this efficient for the task at hand. No amount of EFT can give me the combo of rep/buffer I would really like to hear from a member of the dev/community about this small tweak or removing the gas cloud reactions. It seems like an low hanging fruit for a feature that has long since been abandoned. P.S for dev/community I'll be at fan fest so if this get's some love i'll buy the first round of beer.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 627	Posted - 2013.02.14 01:14:00 - [2] - Quote Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job?
Bum Shadow Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative 21	Posted - 2013.02.14 01:50:00 - [3] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job? The venture has 5000 gas capacity, it costs 400k, has +2 WCS and is extremely cheap to fit too. Its also quick and doesnt set alarm bells ringing with locals. Keep playing with EFT, its doable on the cheap with some bargain rigs. Stagger your harvesters too. It is possible though to make a fit that can tank them.
Everything forNothing Every thing for Nothing Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 01:50:00 - [4] - Quote Kahega Amielden did you even read the post? The reason to use the venture is because the gas clouds are in hostile space. You try going thro 15+ jumps of null/lowsec with a Bc then scanning down a ladar site. Mining enough to make a trip worthwhile (5000m^3) and getting back alive. The venture does that, It's almost perfect for the role. but it needs just a bit more ehp to survive. Bum Shadow wrote: Kahega Amielden wrote: Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job? The venture has 5000 gas capacity. Keep playing with EFT, its doable on the cheap with some bargain rigs. Stagger your harvesters too. It is possible though to make a fit that can tank them. I have had some success with the fit i posed above. It can survive one reaction. But even when i stagger the harvesters if you get unlucky and another reaction happens there is nothing you can do about it. Even canceling the remaining harvester doesn't always work.
Kathern Aurilen 17	Posted - 2013.02.14 02:21:00 - [5] - Quote maybe all the venture need is a minimal immunity to the gas cloud and deep core mining explosions added. I can't believe they forgot about that. all the good a mining and gas harvesting ship is if it cant survive the MINING and GAS HARVESTING part of its job!! I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:( I named my mining frig adVenture time!!
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 424	Posted - 2013.02.14 02:29:00 - [6] - Quote This sounds like just the thing for a T2 version. For a ship that is handed out for free to every new player, the Venture is damn sweet. Malcanis for CSM 8
Bum Shadow Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative 21	Posted - 2013.02.14 02:33:00 - [7] - Quote Try going for a bit more resists than just more shield. While I agree a bit more tank or some native resists to the clouds or something would be nice. It is just about doable.
Everything forNothing Every thing for Nothing Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 03:13:00 - [8] - Quote Bum Shadow wrote: Try going for a bit more resists than just more shield. While I agree a bit more tank or some native resists to the clouds or something would be nice. It is just about doable. the problem is even with more resists there isn't enough buffer to save it. It's more efficient to add buffer and an invul instead.
Caldari 5 The Element Syndicate 43	Posted - 2013.02.14 03:29:00 - [9] - Quote Maybe just chance reduction on the Cloud Reacting? Smiliar to the Skiff Exhumer Bonus: Quote: 20% reduced chance of Mercoxit gas cloud forming per level So the Venture might get an Ore Mining Frigate Bonus: something like 15% reduced chance of Gas Cloud Damage per level Then it will enable you to maintain the EHP that you currently have, you stated that you can survive 1 Damage but not 2, so if the Damage comes less often, you are more likely to survive.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris Republic Military Tax Avoiders 15	Posted - 2013.02.14 03:48:00 - [10] - Quote Everything forNothing wrote: The way gas clouds work isn't exactly clear but it seems they send out and AOE attack at the end of an harvesters cycle. The wave seems to vary from 1200 em/therm to 2400 em/therm. If your unlucky and both harvesters cause damage then the venture goes pop. Even stopping a harvester mid cycle will cause a cloud to "react". High power 1x Core Probe Launcher II 2x Gas Cloud Harvester II Medium power 1x Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Medium Shield Extender II Low power 1x Damage Control II Rig Slot 1x Small Processor Overclocking Unit I 1x Small Core Defense Field Extender I 1x Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I I have found no better fit that is this efficient for the task at hand. No amount of EFT can give me the combo of rep/buffer I would really like to hear from a member of the dev/community about this small tweak or removing the gas cloud reactions. It seems like an low hanging fruit for a feature that has long since been abandoned. Thanks from a drug manufacture. P.S for dev/community I'll be at fan fest so if this get's some love i'll buy the first round of beer. [Venture, GasHarvester] Damage Control II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Purger I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Hobgoblin II x2 7200 ehp, 42ehp sec peak regen. You can swap purger for extender to get 1k more ehp but a little less regen. Cap stable Kahega Amielden wrote: Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job? Name a ship that can fit 6 or more gas harvesters...

Bum Shadow Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative 21	Posted - 2013.02.14 03:59:00 - [11] - Quote Oh if CCP read this thread. Let the rorq carry ventures please. <3
Everything forNothing Every thing for Nothing Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 04:00:00 - [12] - Quote Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: Everything forNothing wrote: The way gas clouds work isn't exactly clear but it seems they send out and AOE attack at the end of an harvesters cycle. The wave seems to vary from 1200 em/therm to 2400 em/therm. If your unlucky and both harvesters cause damage then the venture goes pop. Even stopping a harvester mid cycle will cause a cloud to "react". High power 1x Core Probe Launcher II 2x Gas Cloud Harvester II Medium power 1x Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Medium Shield Extender II Low power 1x Damage Control II Rig Slot 1x Small Processor Overclocking Unit I 1x Small Core Defense Field Extender I 1x Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I I have found no better fit that is this efficient for the task at hand. No amount of EFT can give me the combo of rep/buffer I would really like to hear from a member of the dev/community about this small tweak or removing the gas cloud reactions. It seems like an low hanging fruit for a feature that has long since been abandoned. Thanks from a drug manufacture. P.S for dev/community I'll be at fan fest so if this get's some love i'll buy the first round of beer. [Venture, GasHarvester] Damage Control II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Purger I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Hobgoblin II x2 7200 ehp, 42ehp sec peak regen. You can swap purger for extender to get 1k more ehp but a little less regen. Cap stable Kahega Amielden wrote: Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job? Name a ship that can fit 6 or more gas harvesters... I'll give this fit a shot. I duno if passive will work. It's only a 25m loss anyways. Bum Shadow wrote: Oh if CCP read this thread. Let the rorq carry ventures please. <3 I hope they do. It's an easy free beer for a small change.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1142	Posted - 2013.02.14 04:07:00 - [13] - Quote I'm pretty sure somewhere in another discussion CCP also stated this was a starter ship. Ya know, the types given during tutorial missions and such. And it wasn't designed really to excel all the way to 0.0. As such it is perfectly acceptable for lowsec. I wouldn't expect it to get buffed more than it is.
Bum Shadow Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative 21	Posted - 2013.02.14 04:11:00 - [14] - Quote Yeah i;m not holding my breath for a buff, but allowing the rorqal to take ventures would be the cherry on the cake for sure.
Everything forNothing Every thing for Nothing Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 04:48:00 - [15] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: I'm pretty sure somewhere in another discussion CCP also stated this was a starter ship. Ya know, the types given during tutorial missions and such. And it wasn't designed really to excel all the way to 0.0. As such it is perfectly acceptable for lowsec. I wouldn't expect it to get buffed more than it is. i realize this is a starter ship. But that doesn't mean it needs to suck. There is no other dedicated gas harvester ship in the game that can do what this starter frig does. This is the ventures discription: Recognizing the dire need for a ship capable of fast operation in unsafe territories, ORE created the Venture. It was conceived as a vessel primed and ready for any capsuleer, no matter how new to the dangers of New Eden they might be, who wishes to engage in the respectable trade of mining. The Venture has amazing abilities to quickly drill through to the ores and gases it's after, harvesting them at the speed necessary for mining in hostile space, and getting out relatively unscathed. The small hp buff would make that a reality for Gas mining. And gas mining is a heck of a lot more valuable than regular mining. a full hold of lime malachite has a value of almost 60m. This would be a great risk/reward for new players to go after.It's quite a bit of fun getting past gate camps,scanning down the sites and trying to get back with your ship intact.
Hakan MacTrew Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted 314	Posted - 2013.02.14 04:59:00 - [16] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job? With "Gas Cloud Harvesting V" you can use 5 harvesters. One per level. If you know of a way to break that limit, please do share... The double fs-9 extender fit looks good for the purpose, although still a bit 'balls-to the-wall' if you get unlucky with the gas damage... I have previously suggested either an ORE Cruiser or a T2 Venture for the purpose of Gas Mining. MODULAR DRONES MORE ORE SHIPS
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 726	Posted - 2013.02.14 05:17:00 - [17] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: maybe all the venture need is a minimal immunity to the gas cloud and deep core mining explosions added. I can't believe they forgot about that. all the good a mining and gas harvesting ship is if it cant survive the MINING and GAS HARVESTING part of its job!! This. Definitely an oversight. It's unlikely CCP give it a specific role niche that no other ship has, but then intentionally disable that role. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Kathern Aurilen 18	Posted - 2013.02.14 06:29:00 - [18] - Quote Bum Shadow wrote: Try going for a bit more resists than just more shield. While I agree a bit more tank or some native resists to the clouds or something would be nice. It is just about doable. Not more resist, just more resist for the effect of the mining expositions I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:( I named my mining frig adVenture time!!
Hakan MacTrew Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted 316	Posted - 2013.02.14 07:09:00 - [19] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: Bum Shadow wrote: Try going for a bit more resists than just more shield. While I agree a bit more tank or some native resists to the clouds or something would be nice. It is just about doable. Not more resist, just more resist for the effect of the mining expositions ...or alter gas explosions to work more like missiles so that speed and small signatures mitigate the damage? MODULAR DRONES MORE ORE SHIPS
Yolo Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings SQUEE. 11	Posted - 2013.02.14 12:48:00 - [20] - Quote Just add signature radius to the damage calculation of gas coulds. Voila, Venture gets slightly less damage without changes. All other ships has EHP to handle the balanced damage. Note to self, dont use haulers near clouds.

Sedstr 23	Posted - 2013.02.14 12:54:00 - [21] - Quote With skills and fit, you can easy harvest gas in null with a venture. If you have more than one venture harvesting the same cloud, thats a different story, but solo, a venture could afk nullsec gas harvesting if you were game.... 2 x gas harvester II proto cloak med extender II med f-s9 em ward field 2 shield power relay 2 x anti-thermal screen reinforcer I field purger I. stagger harvester startup. People talk about risk vs reward, 3 words: off grid boosters! EVE is not based on risk vs reward, its based on time vs fun.
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 978	Posted - 2013.02.14 13:59:00 - [22] - Quote So you want the venture to be perfect at everything and have no drawbacks do you know of a thing called balance
Yolo Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings SQUEE. 11	Posted - 2013.02.14 15:06:00 - [23] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: So you want the venture to be perfect at everything and have no drawbacks do you know of a thing called balance So they make a specialiced ship for gas-harvesting, but if you gas-harvest, it blows up. That does not sound that balance to me. :)
Everything forNothing Every thing for Nothing Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 15:22:00 - [24] - Quote Sedstr wrote: With skills and fit, you can easy harvest gas in null with a venture. If you have more than one venture harvesting the same cloud, thats a different story, but solo, a venture could afk nullsec gas harvesting if you were game.... 2 x gas harvester II proto cloak med extender II med f-s9 em ward field 2 shield power relay 2 x anti-thermal screen reinforcer I field purger I. stagger harvester startup. That fit won't work. You need scan probes + a rig. Ladar sites are quite hard to prob down even with perfect skills + sisters probes.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris Republic Military Tax Avoiders 15	Posted - 2013.02.14 15:55:00 - [25] - Quote Everything forNothing wrote: That fit won't work. You need scan probes + a rig. Ladar sites are quite hard to prob down even with perfect skills + sisters probes. That is true unless you have scanning ship/alt to do scanning for you.
StarStryder The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn 3	Posted - 2013.02.14 17:11:00 - [26] - Quote Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: Everything forNothing wrote: That fit won't work. You need scan probes + a rig. Ladar sites are quite hard to prob down even with perfect skills + sisters probes. That is true unless you have scanning ship/alt to do scanning for you. Which is not something a new'ish player should be expected to do. The ship description makes it sound like CCP are trying to encourage new players to venture (if you'll pardon the pun) out into 0.0 early in their career.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris Republic Military Tax Avoiders 15	Posted - 2013.02.14 17:33:00 - [27] - Quote StarStryder wrote: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: Everything forNothing wrote: That fit won't work. You need scan probes + a rig. Ladar sites are quite hard to prob down even with perfect skills + sisters probes. That is true unless you have scanning ship/alt to do scanning for you. Which is not something a new'ish player should be expected to do. The ship description makes it sound like CCP are trying to encourage new players to venture (if you'll pardon the pun) out into 0.0 early in their career. I can hardly imagine a "new'ish player" to pay 20+mil for skill book and then wait a month or 2 until his support, fitting and scanning skills are high enough to fly gas harvester venture.
StarStryder The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn 3	Posted - 2013.02.14 17:39:00 - [28] - Quote Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: StarStryder wrote: [quote=Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris][quote=Everything forNothing] Which is not something a new'ish player should be expected to do. The ship description makes it sound like CCP are trying to encourage new players to venture (if you'll pardon the pun) out into 0.0 early in their career. I can hardly imagine a "new'ish player" to pay 20+mil for skill book and then wait a month or 2 until his support, fitting and scanning skills are high enough to fly gas harvesting venture. I never said CCP were consistent. If that is how much the book costs then it should be reduced. And a couple of months is nothing really.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 465	Posted - 2013.02.14 17:53:00 - [29] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: Any ship that can fit 6 or more gas cloud harvesters will outmine your Venture..pretty much any turret BC will work. Why are you trying to use a t1 frigate for this job? The gas mining skill at max will allow you to fit 5 gas miners.The skill is one gas miner per level of the skill. No ship in EVE can hold more than 5 gas miners no matter how many turret slots it has. it is a skill lmitation, not a ship limitation. A max skilled venture can out mine 5 gas miner II's by about 6% so it is the highest possible yield for gas mining. In addition it has a 5000m3 hold that now accepts gas as well as ore. which means it does not require a jetcan/container to mine into.
Luc Chastot Aliastra Gallente Federation 214	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:15:00 - [30] - Quote Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: StarStryder wrote: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: Everything forNothing wrote: That fit won't work. You need scan probes + a rig. Ladar sites are quite hard to prob down even with perfect skills + sisters probes. That is true unless you have scanning ship/alt to do scanning for you. Which is not something a new'ish player should be expected to do. The ship description makes it sound like CCP are trying to encourage new players to venture (if you'll pardon the pun) out into 0.0 early in their career. I can hardly imagine a "new'ish player" to pay 20+mil for skill book and then wait a month or 2 until his support, fitting and scanning skills are high enough to fly gas harvesting venture. What skill book? Because the mining frig skill book is 30k. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.



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