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Jelosavich
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Posted - 2005.07.27 20:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: Sorja
Very fair point.
There's no smarbomb or defenders against turrets neither.
BCS II are long due, CCP said 'it's coming', God only knows when.
Smartbombs and defenders are nearly worthless for missile defense post-patch.
Tracking disruptors essentially disable turret-based battleships.
Quoted for truth. I haven't had a chance to try defenders against missles, but smartbombs are crap. I can't hit any missles with them.
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CDLPeacemaker
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Posted - 2005.07.27 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: CDLPeacemaker on 27/07/2005 21:19:16
Also fix the Rapid fire vs Rapid Launch thing. Why do gunnery skills get 4% rof per level and missles only get 3%??? Whats up with that? Other than that, a good idea! I just noticed ITS THE SAME THING ON WARHEAD UPGRADES! Warhead upgrades = 2% more damage. Surgical strike = 3% more damage. WTF Mates?
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.07.27 21:37:00 -
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Leave defenders alone.
They can not be compared to tracing disruptors. Because trackign disruptors have limited range and affect one target. Defenders however have unlimited range and affects all targets currently firing at you. Unlimited because it dosnt matter wich range the missile user is compared to you, his missiles still have to travel to you and thus your defenders always have effect.
Only gripe with them is that at extremely close range they dont have time to activate before missiles hit. But at the same range you can disable said missile ships with ECM so the point is moot.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.07.27 21:42:00 -
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we gotta even up the skills bonuses - either knock the rapid firing and surgical strike down 1% each (now watch me get flamed for saying that), or boost rapid launch and warhead upgrades 1% each
i'd personally prefer the first one - anything to reduce the damage offloaded to make battles last SLIGHTLY longer
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benzeb
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Posted - 2005.07.27 21:47:00 -
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Large SB work as well on torp.
With ability and skill, you can sb and launch missile non stop.
Defender are bugged since a long time.
you have 3 weapon upgrades, us only one.
Why not a explo radius/speed explo? not to fight frig at most, just to take cruiser with cruise and not to see a bs tank with a burner like torp?
a 10% for the two bonus for a tech 1 is few like an TP
it s a choice, and Tp is for all(gunnery include)
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.27 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Fear on 27/07/2005 23:38:48
Originally by: Antic
Leave defenders alone.
They can not be compared to tracing disruptors. Because trackign disruptors have limited range and affect one target. Defenders however have unlimited range and affects all targets currently firing at you. Unlimited because it dosnt matter wich range the missile user is compared to you, his missiles still have to travel to you and thus your defenders always have effect.
Only gripe with them is that at extremely close range they dont have time to activate before missiles hit. But at the same range you can disable said missile ships with ECM so the point is moot.
Are you high or just retarded?
Right now defenders might perhaps work on a single missile per volley. MIGHT. This costs you a highslot, and requires a missile hardpoint. Usually the defender rockets past the incoming missile, turns around in time to see the missile it was targeted on slam into your ship, then flies off into oblivion.
Tracking disruptors have very good range and work EVERY TIME on EVERY SHOT taken, and effectively disable turret-based ships for a midslot and negligable cap.
I'm amazed anyone has the balls to STILL be whining that anti-missile defenses are more effective then anti-turret defenses, since you'd have to be a moron who'd never ever used either to say something like that.
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Pict1on
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Posted - 2005.07.28 00:08:00 -
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/signed
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.07.28 00:22:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Blind Fear
Edited by: Blind Fear on 27/07/2005 23:38:48
Originally by: Antic
Leave defenders alone.
They can not be compared to tracing disruptors. Because trackign disruptors have limited range and affect one target. Defenders however have unlimited range and affects all targets currently firing at you. Unlimited because it dosnt matter wich range the missile user is compared to you, his missiles still have to travel to you and thus your defenders always have effect.
Only gripe with them is that at extremely close range they dont have time to activate before missiles hit. But at the same range you can disable said missile ships with ECM so the point is moot.
Are you high or just retarded?
Right now defenders might perhaps work on a single missile per volley. MIGHT. This costs you a highslot, and requires a missile hardpoint. Usually the defender rockets past the incoming missile, turns around in time to see the missile it was targeted on slam into your ship, then flies off into oblivion.
Tracking disruptors have very good range and work EVERY TIME on EVERY SHOT taken, and effectively disable turret-based ships for a midslot and negligable cap.
I'm amazed anyone has the balls to STILL be whining that anti-missile defenses are more effective then anti-turret defenses, since you'd have to be a moron who'd never ever used either to say something like that.
interesting. As you seem to always fall back to pottymouth 12 year old craptalk when you run out of arguments, im not surprised to see you sound like a broken record once again.
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Bleakheart
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Posted - 2005.07.28 01:29:00 -
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I'll sign, but I'd have to replace the implants I'm now using for turrets 
Oh yeah Antic, you know if we could search on these forums with the keywords "Retard", "Moron", and "Idiot", the first hundred posts would likely all be Blind Fears, or someone quoting them. LOL!
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GrayFox247
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Posted - 2005.07.28 01:45:00 -
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/signed I fly a Crow 24/7 I'm getting wtfpwnd in every PvP combat 
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.07.28 01:52:00 -
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I really like the new system now, but it still needs a little bit of tweaking.
-Warhead Upgrades should be a 3% increase
-There should be a midslot mod to increase explosive radius and a low slot version that is less effective.
-+3 and +5 Implants to improve missile velocity, navigation, ROF, range, and explosive radius.
-I agree on the heavy assault launcher.
-Reduction in missile storage space.
-Low slot target painter. Not as effective as the midslot one.
*signed*
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Furos
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Posted - 2005.07.28 02:26:00 -
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/Signed
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Tar Magen
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Posted - 2005.07.28 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tar Magen on 28/07/2005 03:22:40
Originally by: Antic
Originally by: Blind Fear
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interesting. As you seem to always fall back to pottymouth 12 year old craptalk when you run out of arguments, im not surprised to see you sound like a broken record once again.
Right on, Blind Fear has tried to torpedo nearly every missile thread since the Cold War patch, spewing the same insults. The loser should have been banned long ago. |
Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.28 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Magen
Edited by: Tar Magen on 28/07/2005 03:22:40
Originally by: Antic
Originally by: Blind Fear
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interesting. As you seem to always fall back to pottymouth 12 year old craptalk when you run out of arguments, im not surprised to see you sound like a broken record once again.
Right on, Blind Fear has tried to torpedo nearly every missile thread since the Cold War patch, spewing the same insults. The loser should have been banned long ago.
Cry me a damn river.
You should be thanking me, because the way I say things allows you to ignore the facts that I put forth and just whine about how I'm not nice enough to you.
If it wasnt for that you'd be reduced to posting nothing of value - oh, wait, you dont anyway.
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Franken Slammer
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Posted - 2005.07.28 04:12:00 -
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Jeez, Louise, you 2 knock it off. There are probably whole threads for trolling and flaming, please use this one for signing and sensible suggestion. Please.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.28 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Franken Slammer
Jeez, Louise, you 2 knock it off. There are probably whole threads for trolling and flaming, please use this one for signing and sensible suggestion. Please.
I suggest you train your skills. After you have all your missile level 5's you can complain.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.07.28 04:25:00 -
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Before the mod squad busts in, i'll go out on a limb and 'fess up i like Blind's posts... ^^;
they make sensible counter-arguments, are mercifully concise and easy to read, and on top of it the delivery can be funny as heck. Like that box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get, but it's always a treat :s
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Franken Slammer
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Posted - 2005.07.28 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
Originally by: Franken Slammer
Jeez, Louise, you 2 knock it off. There are probably whole threads for trolling and flaming, please use this one for signing and sensible suggestion. Please.
I suggest you train your skills. After you have all your missile level 5's you can complain.
/me points to the first post. I am not complaining,; i'm asking for a little love for the 4th turret, that's all. Goodness gracious me.
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.07.28 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Slithereen
I really like the new system now, but it still needs a little bit of tweaking.
-Warhead Upgrades should be a 3% increase
-There should be a midslot mod to increase explosive radius and a low slot version that is less effective.
-+3 and +5 Implants to improve missile velocity, navigation, ROF, range, and explosive radius.
-I agree on the heavy assault launcher.
-Reduction in missile storage space.
*signed*
Nice summary, all valid points. signed 
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.28 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Before the mod squad busts in, i'll go out on a limb and 'fess up i like Blind's posts... ^^;
they make sensible counter-arguments, are mercifully concise and easy to read, and on top of it the delivery can be funny as heck. Like that box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get, but it's always a treat :s
Some of us are actually educated adults and dislike ill-mannered people.
These boards are to exchange opinions and the terms of service are actually very clear about the way to do it.
When someone has to disagree with a point (should he be wrong or right, since her point of vue is often biased if not completely flawed) it is possible to do it in a civilized way.
Some do not post here because they don't want to have to deal with immature flamers, that's not the way to build a community.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.07.28 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Some of us are actually educated adults and dislike ill-mannered people.
These boards are to exchange opinions and the terms of service are actually very clear about the way to do it.
When someone has to disagree with a point (should he be wrong or right, since her point of vue is often biased if not completely flawed) it is possible to do it in a civilized way.
You try and be civil to someone who argues with you that 1 + 1 in not 2 but 3.
There are some arguments that are educated both ways, this is not one of them.
Smartbombs and defenders are not viable missile defenses, if you say otherwise you accept that your IQ is that of the common goat.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.28 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Smartbombs and defenders are not viable missile defenses, if you say otherwise you accept that your IQ is that of the common goat.
I'd say you're very rude, were it not for the fact you didn't go so far as to say they'd have your IQ.
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Shimrra
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Posted - 2005.07.28 06:21:00 -
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Signed
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.28 07:20:00 -
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Smartbombs are not anti missile anymore. Defenders...waste of sp now.
Blind Fear is right...and no amount of fingerpointing will change that. So get a life and a clue.
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here |
Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.28 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Calian
Originally by: Meridius
Smartbombs and defenders are not viable missile defenses, if you say otherwise you accept that your IQ is that of the common goat.
I'd say you're very rude, were it not for the fact you didn't go so far as to say they'd have your IQ.
Do you disagree with him then?
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here |
Sgt Spiff
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Posted - 2005.07.28 07:24:00 -
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Missiles need to do full damage to stationary targets, no matter their size. That's the only change needed imo.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.07.28 07:44:00 -
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Woot another 'please make the raven even more powerful thread'  .
The simple answer to all these suggestions is simply that the raven (for all missile using ships read raven ) are already overpowered as they are currently.
Any new mods/improvements to skills/further improvements to missiles would have to be balanced out by a corresponding and equal nerf.
The game designers simply screwed up by making the raven too powerful at the start of the game, not releasing things like bcu 2's is the easy route they took to rebalance the game without upsetting all the newbs who think its their right to wtfpwn anything else in the game. 
I personally agree that missile users should have all these mods etc that people keep whining for, just as soon as long as they are happy to accept the massive nerf that would be needed at the same time....
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Icarus Thorne
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Posted - 2005.07.28 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
So get a life and a clue.
This is clearly an emotional reaction, not a reasoned one. It is not reasoned because this poster cannot be in a position to know anything about the life of the other posters "she" is attacking. It's a taunt worthy of a kindergarten recess, not an adult conversation.
Trying to get people who make statements like this to see reason is a waste of breath. They simply haven't attained the required state of maturity.
Just ignore them. (Although, unfortunately, they've proven that they won't go away).
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Citizen Angstrom
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Posted - 2005.07.28 08:21:00 -
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/Signed.
Pointless hoping for much though... 
<- contines training Amarr BS to level 5... 
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.28 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Thorne
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
So get a life and a clue.
This is clearly an emotional reaction, not a reasoned one. It is not reasoned because this poster cannot be in a position to know anything about the life of the other posters "she" is attacking. It's a taunt worthy of a kindergarten recess, not an adult conversation.
Trying to get people who make statements like this to see reason is a waste of breath. They simply haven't attained the required state of maturity.
Just ignore them. (Although, unfortunately, they've proven that they won't go away).
Do you always take so long to make a point? Most people dont have that kind of time.
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here |
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