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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 14:22:00 -
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Upon character creation we weren't allowed to use certain characters, most annoying of these being the much useful - sign, yet there is no curbing lamers naming themselves qwerty1, 01010101010101, J0rt and whatnot.
Why are the CCP trying to kill any chance of immersion like this by not making numbers in names a no-no?
Would that be too much to ask for, people not using babytalk?
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/07/2003 14:26:10
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.07.18 14:35:00 -
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You've got a thing about other peoples names. Last night you said you would pod me just for having a stupid name...
But you sound like a brand of dishwasher, although I'm not complaining. It all comes down to personal choice.
You say stuff about people with numbers in their names. But if they didn't have these numbers in their names, you wouldn't suspect them. Consider number-names an advanced warning to the wise.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 14:38:00 -
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You had a point?
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Kelly
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Posted - 2003.07.18 14:41:00 -
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The name R2-D2 didn't hurt the immersion into the Star Wars culture for a tonne of people..
I fail to see your point... I think It could be fun to have a number increment after every time I get recloned.. lukily I'm still on Kelly Zero.. but that's because I hide well.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 14:42:00 -
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I find your lack of imagination disturbing...
R2D2 was a droid, no-one here is a droid as it's simply not in the cards.
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/07/2003 14:45:57
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Kelly
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Posted - 2003.07.18 14:51:00 -
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I have enough imagination not to let the names destroy my chance of immersion..
I think someone stated this as an issue recently..
OMIGOD.. it was actually YOU who said this.. how about that .. wow, isn't it a small world..
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 15:04:00 -
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Just keep bumping the thread dimwit...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.18 15:42:00 -
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"I find your lack of imagination disturbing..."
With all respect, if just seeing a name you aren't familiar with 'breaks your immersion' then i don't think you're in position to complain about others' lack of imagination...
"R2D2 was a droid, no-one here is a droid as it's simply not in the cards."
And unless i let you get close and personal enough to check my inner plumbings, just how the hell would you know for sure if i don't happen to be a Jove-made android prototype, built to gather data on the inner workings of the Caldari state? And that maybe the nerdy Jovian eggheads that built me thought it was cute to hint at both jovian origin and me being the '0' unit in the series?
Oh right, none of this is in the cards. Scroll up and read that part about being in no position to complain, please....
(nope, none of this is true. because if it was, i'd have to kill you now.... =)
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Thanak
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Posted - 2003.07.18 16:26:00 -
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I don't like name in number but there is far more to worry about than this.
Anyway for all we know your name could mean "fat whale" is some obscure language.
I chose Thanak without a last name because there was no field for "Last name". I didn't know how the chat system work in game and I didn't want people to have to type something too long to talk to me.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 17:02:00 -
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L33t is still babytalk from the wannabe hacker scriptkids out there, have you no self respect?
How do you pronounce the 0?
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/07/2003 17:04:17
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.18 17:14:00 -
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"How do you pronounce the 0?"
"oh", obviously. It just puts some extra accent on that syllabe, hardly a rocket science...
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 17:17:00 -
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Jzerosephine would be my educated guess.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.18 17:32:00 -
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"Jzerosephine would be my educated guess."
If it's all that takes to feel you more sophisticated, feel free to pronounce it any way you like. =) It doesn't change the point though -- instead of complaining how some names aren't up to your taste, why not use it as a base for additional rp and make the Eve world more interesting, if only for yourself?..
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:04:00 -
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There need be little roleplaying l33ts are subhuman scum.
Ok so that's harsh but they get nothing from me, if they provide nothing in the sense of atmosphere to the game and the CCP won't protect their investment I will simply have to snuff them out as much as I can... :)
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/07/2003 18:13:39
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:23:00 -
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all this ****e... from some pansy named "Danton?"
i must be suffering an irony deficiency :P
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:28:00 -
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Danton, we are thousands of years in the future. What makes you think names won't have numbers by then? Just role with it. Or kill them all. Whichever entertains you most.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:29:00 -
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Now we got the Slipknot crowd in here too, where's the Teletubbies mob?
What makes me think they won't have numbers? None of the developers characters had numbers in them, had they had I'd never bought the game in the first place.
Second as I stated, numbers are pronounced a certain way, what purpose would it fill to exchange a letter with a number to these people, were they all children of unfulfilled wannabes with hacker wetdreams?
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/07/2003 18:34:32
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:49:00 -
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dude, you got issues. personally, I'm not a big fan of l33t-speak, but I certainly don't hate it with such a passion that it actually upsets me. you should lighten up a little.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:59:00 -
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"what purpose would it fill to exchange a letter with a number to these people"
Alternate spelling of already taken character name.
Next.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 19:08:00 -
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Yes 'cause a surname would be too hard for the little nugget wouldn't it...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.18 19:22:00 -
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"Yes 'cause a surname would be too hard for the little nugget wouldn't it..."
Maybe. Alternatively, they could want to have a character with just the first name, or just the surname. Or maybe they want their character with specific first and last name, and this combination is already used.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 19:53:00 -
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Now you're reaching, l33ts are just unimaginative griefers, yes I'm deducting their lack of imagination will lead them down this path sooner or later...
So spare yourself the bother to threaten to kill me ingame, I expect nothing else.
But really, this was addressed to the CCP, SWG I know planned to bar certain names from being used, a smart move on their part as they knew how much names like Boogereater, 01010101010101 and qwerty1 and such take away from peoples gaming experience.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.18 20:29:00 -
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"Now you're reaching"
Hardly. People often name their characters after their favourites from movies, books, their own stories. When such character is somewhat popular, it's a given the original name will eventually be taken.
"l33ts are just unimaginative griefers, yes I'm deducting their lack of imagination will lead them down this path sooner or later...
So spare yourself the bother to threaten to kill me ingame, I expect nothing else."
And yet --unable to think of more than just one explanation and resolution-- you complain about lack of imagination of others and how it ruins your experience.
Priceless.
"But really, this was addressed to the CCP, SWG I know planned to bar certain names from being used, a smart move on their part as they knew how much names like Boogereater, 01010101010101 and qwerty1 and such take away from peoples gaming experience"
You really should read the SWG boards then. They have a number of threads going exactly on that topic, and how this feature didn't work out....
Now let's see if we can spin those unimaginative names into something interesting.
*Boogereater -- a Minmatar, obviously. named so by his starving mother because of the habit of digging his daily food dose out of his own nose since his youngest years.
*01010101010101 -- artificial intelligence gone awry during attempt of merging it with a human body? Or maybe some top-notch navigation computer engineer, a nerd with no life outside of his work.
*qwerty1 -- the result of mass-production genetic engineering, one of countless minions created to keep their mother Caldari corporation running and expanding. Was born at the end of the shift, when the supervising medic was itching to go home already and couldn't be arsed to come up with any name... so he just hit the series of keys and left the guy stuck forever with the ****ty ID.
See? instant content. Now think how can you spin something as generic as "Danton Marcellus" so it actually becomes interesting... i surely cannot.
Edited by: j0sephine on 18/07/2003 20:34:14
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Drewbicus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 21:03:00 -
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I have to side wtih the original poster here. L33t is nothing but a cheap bastardiztion of English used by people who, for whatever reason, simply will not use the language properly.
If I may point out the obvious, L33t speak makes you feel a sense of community with others of similar mindset. It also makes users of it look like idiots those who prefer to use the language correctly. It falls under the same category as simple laziness. It's an eyesore, an irritant, and a particularly bad idea to get used to using it in writing since it will tend to serve one poorly in education or business.
And frankly, with the amount of effort it takes one to use L33t, it would often be simpler to actually use proper English.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.18 21:28:00 -
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one thing you're missing here. And that is that, other than the word 'l33t' itself, I've hardly seen anyone use leet-speak on these forums. only in their character's names.
If you can't manage to ignore it, then just consider them like children with speech impediments. But asking for a ban on numbers is just plain ridiculous.
Or you could consider them like The Borg, who are all know only by number, and would grief all existance if they had the time. They also cheat.
there, a couple more examples, and I'm not even trying.
I'm happy with just not giving it a second thought. an 0 is an o, and a 3 is an E. If your vision is not veiled in the red mist of rage, it's still fairly basic reading. I mean even the retarded 8-year olds can read it, right?
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Evee
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Posted - 2003.07.18 23:23:00 -
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Daneton, Your just plain rude. You've run rough shot over everyone whos posted, It's a shame that I happen to agree that numerics shouldn't be apart of a name but that doesn't mean they shouldn't as It's simple enough to just ignore and there are other issues far more restrictive to role play than the names of players.
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Talys
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Posted - 2003.07.19 03:45:00 -
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*sigh* to complain about a name is to miss the point 20 times larger that no one ingame role-plays. How can you complain about someone who's named 1010 when some guy named 'Arabus"
is talked about how T3 rocked? A little bit of perspective would be nice. ANd tolerance, but I suppose that's just not in the cards.
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Liessa
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Posted - 2003.07.19 11:36:00 -
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You complain that the People who use L33t speak have no imagination and are spoiling your role-playing experience, how people choose to use or abuse the english language has no relevance to their ability to role-play.
Your own bigoted views on these people only serves to show your own lack of imagination in being able to deal with it.
In short , get over it!
Edited by: Liessa on 19/07/2003 11:40:05
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.07.19 11:49:00 -
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I'm offering 1,000,000 ISK bounty for the corpse of any person who posted more than once on this ridiculuous thread.
Contact me in-game if you have a corpse.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.19 12:32:00 -
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Why should I get over it, I loath that crowd and it makes no sense for CCP to allow it since it hardly draws in extra money.
Why should I have to create a scenario in which I makes sense of the l33t when there is no sense to be made. They want to be outsiders and a little special but can find no more imaginative way to be that way than to stick a number in their name. You're asking me to have oversight with people that could never offer that courtesy back.
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Liessa
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Posted - 2003.07.19 12:46:00 -
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Your entitled to you opinion but i feel that you could be more tolerant, so you don't like l33t or the people that use it, but they shouldn't be penalised for their use of it.
Edited by: Liessa on 19/07/2003 12:48:46
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Liessa
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Posted - 2003.07.19 12:46:00 -
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Your entitled to you opinion but i feel that you could be more tolerant, so you don't like l33t or the people that use it, but they shouldn't be penalised for their use of it.
Edited by: Liessa on 19/07/2003 12:48:46
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.19 13:51:00 -
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I'm asking for the ban out of the concern that it will make less people come to play the game. I know I have bailed on a few games due to them having too many l33ts.
Also it'd be nice with a race specific name generator under the character generations button, for those who just can't come up with a sylibel [sp] combination to save their lives.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.19 13:51:00 -
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I'm asking for the ban out of the concern that it will make less people come to play the game. I know I have bailed on a few games due to them having too many l33ts.
Also it'd be nice with a race specific name generator under the character generations button, for those who just can't come up with a sylibel [sp] combination to save their lives.
Remind me about The Maze.
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.07.19 15:07:00 -
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Danton, If I'm not mistaken, it was you who said:
Danton Marcellus > and you're a whiny ass kid, kill him already or stfu
Laren Gorgan > hes in base
Danton Marcellus > so write him up for later and let it cool down some
Laren Gorgan > ohh i have
Laren Gorgan > there are some people that will be looking for him
Danton Marcellus > there, less drama more notepad
Finally some advice from someone you can trust :)
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.07.19 15:07:00 -
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Danton, If I'm not mistaken, it was you who said:
Danton Marcellus > and you're a whiny ass kid, kill him already or stfu
Laren Gorgan > hes in base
Danton Marcellus > so write him up for later and let it cool down some
Laren Gorgan > ohh i have
Laren Gorgan > there are some people that will be looking for him
Danton Marcellus > there, less drama more notepad
Finally some advice from someone you can trust :)
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.07.20 00:28:00 -
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leet sP33k iZ gr33t t0 m^K3 fUn 0f.
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.07.20 00:28:00 -
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leet sP33k iZ gr33t t0 m^K3 fUn 0f.
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Nootami
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Posted - 2003.07.20 01:11:00 -
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"Jzerosephine would be my educated guess."
LOL!
Looks like youre in need of some new education.
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Nootami
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Posted - 2003.07.20 01:11:00 -
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"Jzerosephine would be my educated guess."
LOL!
Looks like youre in need of some new education.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:26:00 -
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Hardly...
And yarr I don't see what that has to do with calling for a ban on numbers in the characters names.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:26:00 -
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Hardly...
And yarr I don't see what that has to do with calling for a ban on numbers in the characters names.
Remind me about The Maze.
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DemonKnight
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Posted - 2003.07.20 15:05:00 -
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ok ppl .. why did't u just say this ... dontan or wot eva ye bloody called STFU for 1ns i c u putin stupid remarks on other peaple idears and makin it less likly for the idear to progress so stfu before i start messin with your idears ok and its not just me whos gona do this to u .. your makin alot of enemeys guy
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DemonKnight
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Posted - 2003.07.20 15:05:00 -
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oh i forgot to mention GOD ye CHArs portriat is ugly
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DemonKnight
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Posted - 2003.07.20 15:05:00 -
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ok ppl .. why did't u just say this ... dontan or wot eva ye bloody called STFU for 1ns i c u putin stupid remarks on other peaple idears and makin it less likly for the idear to progress so stfu before i start messin with your idears ok and its not just me whos gona do this to u .. your makin alot of enemeys guy
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DemonKnight
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Posted - 2003.07.20 15:05:00 -
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oh i forgot to mention GOD ye CHArs portriat is ugly
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.20 16:08:00 -
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Ahahaha, do go to class more often, perty please!
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 20/07/2003 16:12:12
Remind me about The Maze.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.20 16:08:00 -
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Ahahaha, do go to class more often, perty please!
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 20/07/2003 16:12:12
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Karnai Labod
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:35:00 -
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Danton,
GM's do change unfit names, just msg the name to one of them ingame. This would go for names including obscenity or names like "Caldari test", "alt char", "my main is stuck" etc. Don't think they force namechange only because they have numbers in them though.
But maybe you all knew that, and you were just complaining they don't change the names you think are unfit. I'm such a loser. *Sob*.
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Karnai Labod
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Posted - 2003.07.21 08:35:00 -
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Danton,
GM's do change unfit names, just msg the name to one of them ingame. This would go for names including obscenity or names like "Caldari test", "alt char", "my main is stuck" etc. Don't think they force namechange only because they have numbers in them though.
But maybe you all knew that, and you were just complaining they don't change the names you think are unfit. I'm such a loser. *Sob*.
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:05:00 -
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But Danton, where will you stop? Once you have eradicated all the people who (for whatever reason) have numbers in their names. What next? You told me you would pod me (if it was safe enough for you to do so) purely on the basis of my name. I'm sure my reasons for having this name are as valid as yours.
I can see the next thread now... "NO SURNAME = BAN HAMMER", or maybe "FOREIGN LETTERS? NOT ON MY DAMN BOARD".
While I often take the mickey out of people for talking(typing) in l33t, I just can't see the issue with numbers and names.
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:05:00 -
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But Danton, where will you stop? Once you have eradicated all the people who (for whatever reason) have numbers in their names. What next? You told me you would pod me (if it was safe enough for you to do so) purely on the basis of my name. I'm sure my reasons for having this name are as valid as yours.
I can see the next thread now... "NO SURNAME = BAN HAMMER", or maybe "FOREIGN LETTERS? NOT ON MY DAMN BOARD".
While I often take the mickey out of people for talking(typing) in l33t, I just can't see the issue with numbers and names.
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Aerin'Li
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:36:00 -
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Pure class, this thread has amused me no end. Danton, I agree that some names with numbers are pretty damn ***, but seriously... is it worth making yourself look like a fool by doing this huge crusade, slating anyone else who has a different opinion? I suggest you call a timeout on yourself, have a go at protecting your dignity, because you are starting to bug me.
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Aerin'Li
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Posted - 2003.07.21 09:36:00 -
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Pure class, this thread has amused me no end. Danton, I agree that some names with numbers are pretty damn ***, but seriously... is it worth making yourself look like a fool by doing this huge crusade, slating anyone else who has a different opinion? I suggest you call a timeout on yourself, have a go at protecting your dignity, because you are starting to bug me.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:31:00 -
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Out in the real world there are a few people and alot of companies that use numbers in their names.
This may bias you against thoses people and companies (I assume you wouldn't use O2 mobiles due to their l33t name), but it's their choice.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:31:00 -
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Out in the real world there are a few people and alot of companies that use numbers in their names.
This may bias you against thoses people and companies (I assume you wouldn't use O2 mobiles due to their l33t name), but it's their choice.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:47:00 -
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Live and let live.
If something hurt your eyes, watch elsewhere.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:47:00 -
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Live and let live.
If something hurt your eyes, watch elsewhere.
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Bambi
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Posted - 2003.07.21 14:39:00 -
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I try t0 av01d l337sp34k3rs 1n g4m3 c05 y0u a|r34dy g0t 4n |d34 0f th3 m3nt4|ity.
w00t w00t
B4mb| 0wnz j00
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Please don't take me serriously, you have no idea how long it took me to work that lot out.
Gonna go write a translation script for mIRC now make my life a whole lot easier as an IRCop if I know wft people are talking about...
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Posted - 2003.07.21 14:39:00 -
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I try t0 av01d l337sp34k3rs 1n g4m3 c05 y0u a|r34dy g0t 4n |d34 0f th3 m3nt4|ity.
w00t w00t
B4mb| 0wnz j00
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Please don't take me serriously, you have no idea how long it took me to work that lot out.
Gonna go write a translation script for mIRC now make my life a whole lot easier as an IRCop if I know wft people are talking about...
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:51:00 -
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Dignity is a lost concept on l33ts, why then apply it on me?
About the real world, corporations are surely named with numbers sometimes but what does that have to do with persons and integrity? Oh yeah, another concept completely out of place it would seem.
Numbers are cold, meant to disassociate feeling from, that's why the ****s used them with such great success and prison systems still do.
Myself I'd stop associating with a person changing their name into l33t or adding numbers too it, overly attentionseeking people sickens me.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.21 17:51:00 -
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Dignity is a lost concept on l33ts, why then apply it on me?
About the real world, corporations are surely named with numbers sometimes but what does that have to do with persons and integrity? Oh yeah, another concept completely out of place it would seem.
Numbers are cold, meant to disassociate feeling from, that's why the ****s used them with such great success and prison systems still do.
Myself I'd stop associating with a person changing their name into l33t or adding numbers too it, overly attentionseeking people sickens me.
Remind me about The Maze.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.21 20:22:00 -
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"About the real world, corporations are surely named with numbers sometimes but what does that have to do with persons and integrity?"
Well, this doesn't have much to do with Eve anymore, but...
George (2nd)****ala.
Henry 1st Blair.
John (3rd Baron) Fitzwalter.
John D. Rockefeller, 3rd.
...there you go. They're all real names of real people, btw.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.21 20:22:00 -
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"About the real world, corporations are surely named with numbers sometimes but what does that have to do with persons and integrity?"
Well, this doesn't have much to do with Eve anymore, but...
George (2nd)****ala.
Henry 1st Blair.
John (3rd Baron) Fitzwalter.
John D. Rockefeller, 3rd.
...there you go. They're all real names of real people, btw.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.21 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/07/2003 23:31:52
Those are titles in most cases and none of them has a number stuck into their actual names, the numbers stand by themselves. I couldn't care less if there were a Lord Zap II, he probably would, a lorZap2 would be pityful though...
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.21 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 21/07/2003 23:31:52
Those are titles in most cases and none of them has a number stuck into their actual names, the numbers stand by themselves. I couldn't care less if there were a Lord Zap II, he probably would, a lorZap2 would be pityful though...
Remind me about The Maze.
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.07.22 06:55:00 -
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Dude get a freakin life. It would be differnt if players were using offensive names which I have seen non off and you're complaining about numbers in other players names in a futuristic technological space game where such names have a place???
Names with numbers in them or techy hacker type names or whatever couldn't be more fitting in any other game.
If you have that much of a problem with it then go play some other game.
Common man if you're gonna ***** about something in the game ***** about something legeitamate.
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.07.22 06:55:00 -
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Dude get a freakin life. It would be differnt if players were using offensive names which I have seen non off and you're complaining about numbers in other players names in a futuristic technological space game where such names have a place???
Names with numbers in them or techy hacker type names or whatever couldn't be more fitting in any other game.
If you have that much of a problem with it then go play some other game.
Common man if you're gonna ***** about something in the game ***** about something legeitamate.
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Liessa
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Posted - 2003.07.22 11:11:00 -
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As for attention seeking , you sure got enough when you started this pitiful thread.
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Liessa
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Posted - 2003.07.22 11:11:00 -
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As for attention seeking , you sure got enough when you started this pitiful thread.
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.22 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rhonstet on 22/07/2003 13:35:25
Edited by: Rhonstet on 22/07/2003 13:32:46
Of course, what I find fascinating about Danton's take on l33tspeak is that Playerki err Pirates attack others for generally much less developed reasons.
As for those who agree with Danton, I'd point out the following article.
[url=http://www.mmorpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10053&ID=655]
http://www.mmorpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10053&ID=655[/url]
Not that j0sephine's argument is better. Numerical designations used for things like 'R2-D2' are actual names, specifically a common naming format for Droids in the Star Wars mythos. Likewise, people who have numbers as part of their names do so in a formalized classical fashion. It's Henry VIII, not H3nry VIII.
But even that is functionally irrelevant. If you look at the POTWs, name a _single_ reference where a character in a story has numbers in their name.
Danton, I personally suggest you look at names as the following.
From an In-Character perspective, names might be a liability. If people know who you really are and where you come from, they might be able to use that knowledge to attack you through unconventional means. This might be especially true for pirates and smugglers. Their names and handles are fake, new identities to give them no past or to befuddle attempts to track them and their assets.
From an Out-of-Character perspective, some handles represent a common established persona that people like to move from one game to another. Using the same name in different games means that people can build relationships and interactions between several different games. I've noticed from my own years of experience that l33tspeakers tend to be more clannish (note that they are not always more sociable!) and as such, they might want to preserve that identity.
And as an interesting side note, anyone who posts "Dude get a freakin life." on a forum devoted to a MMORPG is practically declaring their own mental myopia. "Since I find your argument offensive, I am going to dismiss it offhand with a casual insult while expressing my own opinion, which I expect you to respect."
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.22 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rhonstet on 22/07/2003 13:35:25
Edited by: Rhonstet on 22/07/2003 13:32:46
Of course, what I find fascinating about Danton's take on l33tspeak is that Playerki err Pirates attack others for generally much less developed reasons.
As for those who agree with Danton, I'd point out the following article.
[url=http://www.mmorpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10053&ID=655]
http://www.mmorpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10053&ID=655[/url]
Not that j0sephine's argument is better. Numerical designations used for things like 'R2-D2' are actual names, specifically a common naming format for Droids in the Star Wars mythos. Likewise, people who have numbers as part of their names do so in a formalized classical fashion. It's Henry VIII, not H3nry VIII.
But even that is functionally irrelevant. If you look at the POTWs, name a _single_ reference where a character in a story has numbers in their name.
Danton, I personally suggest you look at names as the following.
From an In-Character perspective, names might be a liability. If people know who you really are and where you come from, they might be able to use that knowledge to attack you through unconventional means. This might be especially true for pirates and smugglers. Their names and handles are fake, new identities to give them no past or to befuddle attempts to track them and their assets.
From an Out-of-Character perspective, some handles represent a common established persona that people like to move from one game to another. Using the same name in different games means that people can build relationships and interactions between several different games. I've noticed from my own years of experience that l33tspeakers tend to be more clannish (note that they are not always more sociable!) and as such, they might want to preserve that identity.
And as an interesting side note, anyone who posts "Dude get a freakin life." on a forum devoted to a MMORPG is practically declaring their own mental myopia. "Since I find your argument offensive, I am going to dismiss it offhand with a casual insult while expressing my own opinion, which I expect you to respect."
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.22 14:00:00 -
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"Likewise, people who have numbers as part of their names do so in a formalized classical fashion. It's Henry VIII, not H3nry VIII."
Indeed. However i was under impression at that particular point Danton was flat-out denying any credibility to any name which would include a number in any form.(note that not allowing numbers in names makes also impossible combinations like Henry 9 which could be someone's attempt to play 'modern' descendant of the kings of the old England or something equally random and far from 'l33t' *shrugs*)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.22 14:00:00 -
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"Likewise, people who have numbers as part of their names do so in a formalized classical fashion. It's Henry VIII, not H3nry VIII."
Indeed. However i was under impression at that particular point Danton was flat-out denying any credibility to any name which would include a number in any form.(note that not allowing numbers in names makes also impossible combinations like Henry 9 which could be someone's attempt to play 'modern' descendant of the kings of the old England or something equally random and far from 'l33t' *shrugs*)
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.22 14:40:00 -
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Well, roleplayers tend to judge l33tspeakers with more then a little scorn, and vice versa.
Credibility isn't something a single person can grant anyway. And since the game has the double whammy of a non-critical storyline and a clientele that comes from both RPG and FPS roots, I don't think CCP could sensibly ban l33tspeak even if it wanted to.
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.22 14:40:00 -
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Well, roleplayers tend to judge l33tspeakers with more then a little scorn, and vice versa.
Credibility isn't something a single person can grant anyway. And since the game has the double whammy of a non-critical storyline and a clientele that comes from both RPG and FPS roots, I don't think CCP could sensibly ban l33tspeak even if it wanted to.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.22 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 22/07/2003 19:16:10
Rhonstet, I'd love to read those articles but the links are shot.
Yes, I sure am sick of this thread by now, the sad truth about online gamers carrying around their identity from game to game like a badge doesn't really help me in accepting and understanding this breed.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.07.22 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 22/07/2003 19:16:10
Rhonstet, I'd love to read those articles but the links are shot.
Yes, I sure am sick of this thread by now, the sad truth about online gamers carrying around their identity from game to game like a badge doesn't really help me in accepting and understanding this breed.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:06:00 -
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The first comment I should've left out. The rest after that is appropriate.
Xuse me but it just seems rediculous to me when someone makes a big deal of a naming scheme that isn't harmfull in any way and is pertinent and relavent to the game's time era and moreso belongs in the game.
This naming schema has used by the devs themselves in the outer deep space regions, constellations, and sys names.
It makes no sense to make such a big deal out of something such as this.
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:06:00 -
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The first comment I should've left out. The rest after that is appropriate.
Xuse me but it just seems rediculous to me when someone makes a big deal of a naming scheme that isn't harmfull in any way and is pertinent and relavent to the game's time era and moreso belongs in the game.
This naming schema has used by the devs themselves in the outer deep space regions, constellations, and sys names.
It makes no sense to make such a big deal out of something such as this.
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Guerdain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:47:00 -
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Well, im on the same ground as you when it comes to the l337 topic but i must dissagree with you on enforcing a ban on integers in names or totaly interger based names. Numerals arent bad, its the out of character contect that they get used in that is bad. like if your name is 10101010101010 i can see how that could be considdered lame but if there is concept to it i think it is more than reasonible. Infact i was searching for a name idea ewhen i found this thread and with this topic you have inspired me and i commend you. I play a construct character that is an advanced AI (as in the characters rollplay theme) in many games , mostly paper and dice. i actually use the generic constructs nazax (hense my nazaxprime accounts all over the web) but i think im gunna build a sub-construct AI with the name of an integer for this game and i think if it fits anywhere, it would be here in EVE where there are clones, high technology and more diversity (in concept) than you can shake a newb tube at. now id agree it would be lame if my bio was not well done but alass im all about the bio so, uhh thanks.
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Guerdain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:48:00 -
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Well, im on the same ground as you when it comes to the l337 topic but i must dissagree with you on enforcing a ban on integers in names or totaly interger based names. Numerals arent bad, its the out of character contect that they get used in that is bad. like if your name is 10101010101010 i can see how that could be considdered lame but if there is concept to it i think it is more than reasonible. Infact i was searching for a name idea ewhen i found this thread and with this topic you have inspired me and i commend you. I play a construct character that is an advanced AI (as in the characters rollplay theme) in many games , mostly paper and dice. i actually use the generic constructs nazax (hense my nazaxprime accounts all over the web) but i think im gunna build a sub-construct AI with the name of an integer for this game and i think if it fits anywhere, it would be here in EVE where there are clones, high technology and more diversity (in concept) than you can shake a newb tube at. now id agree it would be lame if my bio was not well done but alass im all about the bio so, uhh thanks.
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Guerdain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:48:00 -
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Well, im on the same ground as you when it comes to the l337 topic but i must dissagree with you on enforcing a ban on integers in names or totaly interger based names. Numerals arent bad, its the out of character contect that they get used in that is bad. like if your name is 10101010101010 i can see how that could be considdered lame but if there is concept to it i think it is more than reasonible. Infact i was searching for a name idea ewhen i found this thread and with this topic you have inspired me and i commend you. I play a construct character that is an advanced AI (as in the characters rollplay theme) in many games , mostly paper and dice. i actually use the generic constructs nazax (hense my nazaxprime accounts all over the web) but i think im gunna build a sub-construct AI with the name of an integer for this game and i think if it fits anywhere, it would be here in EVE where there are clones, high technology and more diversity (in concept) than you can shake a newb tube at. now id agree it would be lame if my bio was not well done but alass im all about the bio so, uhh thanks.
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Guerdain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:48:00 -
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Well, im on the same ground as you when it comes to the l337 topic but i must dissagree with you on enforcing a ban on integers in names or totaly interger based names. Numerals arent bad, its the out of character contect that they get used in that is bad. like if your name is 10101010101010 i can see how that could be considdered lame but if there is concept to it i think it is more than reasonible. Infact i was searching for a name idea ewhen i found this thread and with this topic you have inspired me and i commend you. I play a construct character that is an advanced AI (as in the characters rollplay theme) in many games , mostly paper and dice. i actually use the generic constructs nazax (hense my nazaxprime accounts all over the web) but i think im gunna build a sub-construct AI with the name of an integer for this game and i think if it fits anywhere, it would be here in EVE where there are clones, high technology and more diversity (in concept) than you can shake a newb tube at. now id agree it would be lame if my bio was not well done but alass im all about the bio so, uhh thanks.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:43:00 -
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If you don't like their names, shoot them. Your name would then become just as unpopular.
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Yurameki Daishun
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:48:00 -
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well, people get shot in real life for their names, I think that's fine...
but I do agree that people who use elite text for their names, should be forced to change it, it's supposed to be an RP game, so make it RP, this is the stumbling block for all online games, and it's irritating, no one in real life is j00 thug, and none of these little s*** heads know what elite text really is, where it came from, or anything else, they're just irritating. grow up, be creative, come up with something cool, and if some pirate says F U your name sounds like a dishwasher or a cat wretching, **** in his eye, and pop the bugger...
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Mihail d'Amour
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:54:00 -
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Yes, script kiddies and l33t-speak are lame. The only thing that is more morally wrong than taking someone else's work to create graffitti and a social-norm out of the ingenuity of subculture (which is what these people do) is to attempt to instill your own beliefs by force upon others through the banning of language, names, and therefore ideas. I'll take an ignorant man speaking his mind any day over the presumptive arrogance that you should be able to determine what ignorance is and save me from having to hear or read it.
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sb404
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: sb404 on 27/04/2006 15:01:03
Edited by: sb404 on 27/04/2006 15:00:14
Originally by: Guerdain
Well, im on the same ground as you when it comes to the l337 topic but i must dissagree with you on enforcing a ban on integers in names or totaly interger based names. Numerals arent bad, its the out of character contect that they get used in that is bad. like if your name is 10101010101010 i can see how that could be considdered lame but if there is concept to it i think it is more than reasonible. Infact i was searching for a name idea ewhen i found this thread and with this topic you have inspired me and i commend you. I play a construct character that is an advanced AI (as in the characters rollplay theme) in many games , mostly paper and dice. i actually use the generic constructs nazax (hense my nazaxprime accounts all over the web) but i think im gunna build a sub-construct AI with the name of an integer for this game and i think if it fits anywhere, it would be here in EVE where there are clones, high technology and more diversity (in concept) than you can shake a newb tube at. now id agree it would be lame if my bio was not well done but alass im all about the bio so, uhh thanks.
And the prize for bringing a dead 2003 thread back to life with a triple (edit : make that quadruple)post goes to...
Edit to keep on subject eventhough OP as prolly quit by now, oppressed by ugly numbers in people names.
I will state that I don't use my Caldari given name, but my callsign, it was given to me at the accademy and has stuck ever since.
What's in a name? A Moa by any other name would look just as ugly.
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PenguinExX
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:02:00 -
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who the F*** cares? its just a friggin name god-dammnit
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BlckJck90
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Posted - 2006.04.27 18:35:00 -
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Thread Necromancing
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.04.27 18:43:00 -
[91]
dammit, i can't believe i read a completely out of date thread all the way to the end! >.<
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 27/04/2006 23:32:00
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 27/04/2006 23:32:10
Necromancy is evil.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Steel on 27/04/2006 23:36:32
Edited by: Adrian Steel on 27/04/2006 23:35:35
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Upon character creation we weren't allowed to use certain characters, most annoying of these being the much useful - sign, yet there is no curbing lamers naming themselves qwerty1, 01010101010101, J0rt and whatnot.
Why are the CCP trying to kill any chance of immersion like this by not making numbers in names a no-no?
Would that be too much to ask for, people not using babytalk?
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/07/2003 14:26:10
/signed for truth!
These people are the Counter-Strike and WoW scum coming to invade our haven. They should not be encouraged to bring their immature internet culture into our domain.
I would also add to the OP's suggestion: force all first letters in a name to be upper case.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mihail d'Amour
Yes, script kiddies and l33t-speak are lame. The only thing that is more morally wrong than taking someone else's work to create graffitti and a social-norm out of the ingenuity of subculture (which is what these people do) is to attempt to instill your own beliefs by force upon others through the banning of language, names, and therefore ideas. I'll take an ignorant man speaking his mind any day over the presumptive arrogance that you should be able to determine what ignorance is and save me from having to hear or read it.
On second thought... you have a good point here.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
I'm asking for the ban out of the concern that it will make less people come to play the game. I know I have bailed on a few games due to them having too many l33ts.
Also it'd be nice with a race specific name generator under the character generations button, for those who just can't come up with a sylibel [sp] combination to save their lives.
Unfortunately, I may be mistaken, but you and I are the minority Marcellus. The 1337 kiddies probably bring in more income to CCP because of their larger population, and as a consequence, are more likely to be listened to.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: DemonKnight
ok ppl .. why did't u just say this ... dontan or wot eva ye bloody called STFU for 1ns i c u putin stupid remarks on other peaple idears and makin it less likly for the idear to progress so stfu before i start messin with your idears ok and its not just me whos gona do this to u .. your makin alot of enemeys guy
Marcellus had people like you in mind when he started the thread. Talk about forum polution. Please at least TRY to put an effort into what you have to say, or people are less likely to read it. I couldn't bother.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:35:00 -
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Lastly: If I'm not mistaken, Star Wars Galaxies has had the OP's features for a while.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:35:00 -
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Lastly: If I'm not mistaken, Star Wars Galaxies has had the OP's features for a while.
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.04.28 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Steel
Lastly: If I'm not mistaken, Star Wars Galaxies has had the OP's features for a while.
A) This thread is 3 years old. (something I only noticed after I posted  )
B) There is such a thing as an 'edit' button, you dont have to create a new post every time you realize you left something out of your last one.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.04.28 03:15:00 -
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They're callsigns, not names.
Frankly, I'd like it alot better if it was just serial numbers on ships and on local.
Names should be reserved for private communications, including mail. Any mmog where everyone already knows everyone's name is a flawed virtual world.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:23:00 -
[102]
I'm still here, haven't seen this thread for years, takes me back, I remember this row.
I still do think numbers in names should be blocked and that EVE soarly needs a random name generator for those tech geeks who whilst good at everything you need to be good at to get ahead in EVE, math mostly oftentimes lack imagination not revolving around problem solving.
Yarr being the orethieving alt of one drunkenmaster who ran from a camp at Raneilles system, yarr that is. Which resulted in the locals filling the channel with curses and me following local at the time responding as quoted.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.04.28 08:11:00 -
[103]
It's a question of tolerance.
I think "leet names" make this game more colorful - and I like color.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:21:00 -
[104]
I can tolerate stupid, I can tolerate ugly, I cannot tolerate stupid and ugly.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Lowfyr Startamer
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:16:00 -
[105]
100 years from now, Grunge music might be considered something akin to classical.
20,000 years from now, L33t speak might be a fashionable affection by erudite spacefarers. There is no good "roleplaying" argument.
There is, however, a decent argument against having a name like 01010101010101, since it would be harder for victims to report griefing.
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Yith Solarius
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:07:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Yith Solarius on 28/04/2006 16:08:09
Guerdain = necromancer nuff said
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Petwraith
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:28:00 -
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Necroing is not allowed
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