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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:57:00 -
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Indeed, Jas, though I somehow suspect that resident citizens of the PA would prefer it likened to the Phoenix, regenerating from mere ashes. 
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2005.08.13 15:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
But either which way it seems like a damn good example of a hostile meme embodying all the ills of colonial intrigues and sub-machiavellian malfeasence on the galactic stage and presenting the very example of the things our corp was born to fight.
Happy circumstance!
Jasmine, If I didn't work 9-5 if I had some more time on my hands I'd really like to look up some of the words you use!
Anyway, I aggree. Imo alliance do tend to serve as entities to perpetuate, through mainly the rants of old members, hate and dislike between otherwise equal people. Where I think we differ is that I have the belief that an Allaince is neccasary to protect against the selfish greifers out there who might otherwise cause damage. If I didn't have a mildly pessimistic view of human nature, I would probably aggree entirely with the JF ideology!
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Eldritch Strange
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Posted - 2005.08.14 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
...it gets you to thinking that maybe the alliance is some kind of meme plague that endlessly regenerates the same kind of attitudes and approaches to politcal sharp practise that alienated us in the first place.
But, alas, if the PA disbands the contagion may infect another unsuspecting and otherwise innocent alliance! We must honor our PA brothers and sisters for boldly quarantining the psychic infection within their respective ranks and tucking themselves into a nice corner, patiently waiting for the not-so-ephemeral antibody to come and reduce their swelling when they get out of hand. 
Overall Score Card:
Jasmine C.
+10 for style
+15 for reasoning
+100 for using the words meme AND sub-Machiavellian correctly in a single post without losing the focus of the argument.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.08.14 04:26:00 -
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Jasmine, we don't care if they are yes men or not. I show my displeasure with my alliance or corp when I need to as my corp does to the alliance.
However, it comes to this choice. Go with the majority or leave. And yes. I did at one point leave to do what I thought was right even though it was against my alliances wishes.
Cochise made a stand on what he believed in, we took a stand on our beliefs. We both accepted the consequences of those actions.
The only important factor is whether or not we could fully trust Xelas to stand with the rest of us against an enemy. We couldn't, so they had to move. Never leave a variable at your rear.
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.08.14 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Paladineguru
lets wait to be announced dead by bob after they pull their missing spoon out of molles **S
I don't want to take any sides but that's one of the funniest things I've read on these forums in a while. I can't stop laughing.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.14 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Jasmine, we don't care if they are yes men or not. I show my displeasure with my alliance or corp when I need to as my corp does to the alliance.
However, it comes to this choice. Go with the majority or leave. And yes. I did at one point leave to do what I thought was right even though it was against my alliances wishes.
Cochise made a stand on what he believed in, we took a stand on our beliefs. We both accepted the consequences of those actions.
The only important factor is whether or not we could fully trust Xelas to stand with the rest of us against an enemy. We couldn't, so they had to move. Never leave a variable at your rear.
See Mortuus, thats exactly the reason you should be doing the PR for the Phoenix Alliance and not those other guys. You state the situation with complete pragmatism and no fake justifications and fishy casus beli. It doesn't matter to you who is right and who is wrong only what colours are painted on your ship hull and what needs doing to pursue your own interests. We might be on opposite sides but I do respect your plain spoken honesty in this.
You'll never see me picking your posts apart in the way I did to that ranty chap above who was bitterly going on about what a terrible man Cochise was because I sense you have a professional approach to all this soldiering and conflict and are mature enough to see the virtues in friends and foes alike.
Admitting an enemy has redeeming or valuable features is not a weakness its a strength. And ultimately lets face it, pretending the other side is entirely composed of heinous fools of low character is a delusion that can only harm the possessor.
I actually agree with you, the Phoenix Alliance as it is couldn't afford to have a potential foe behind its lines. Of course I'd say that you guys should followed Cochise into rapproachment with the GNW era foes when you had the chance but thats just down to personal taste.
The weakness of the PA and other northern Vassal Pact states in my eyes is their inability to accept that time moves on and situations change. What I sense is that you guys are pretty desparate to fight the GNW over again and try for a better result this time. I understand that and I'd enjoy it massively so lets hope the powers that be make it happen.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Shittake
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
The weakness of the PA and other northern Vassal Pact states in my eyes is their inability to accept that time moves on and situations change. What I sense is that you guys are pretty desparate to fight the GNW over again and try for a better result this time. I understand that and I'd enjoy it massively so lets hope the powers that be make it happen.
Better result? BoB left the north and the PA still lives Venal/Branch.
BoB left for whatever reason, who knows, certainly not me. You would know better than I would with your corporation's close ties to them.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:25:00 -
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I love you all
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
The weakness of the PA and other northern Vassal Pact states in my eyes is their inability to accept that time moves on and situations change. What I sense is that you guys are pretty desparate to fight the GNW over again and try for a better result this time. I understand that and I'd enjoy it massively so lets hope the powers that be make it happen.
Better result? BoB left the north and the PA still lives Venal/Branch.
BoB left for whatever reason, who knows, certainly not me. You would know better than I would with your corporation's close ties to them.
No.
Occassus and a bunch of newb corps might live in Venal. The PA we fought certainly doesn't.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Gafton
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Posted - 2005.08.17 17:07:00 -
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lol Mort start runnin i think "jasmine" has the hots for ya 
what's with the lack of hate db? No stabbing jabs at occ? You feelin sick or somethin?
As for PA, times change. Bob is certainly not the same group that fought in the gnw. No entity stays the same forever.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.17 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gafton
As for PA, times change. Bob is certainly not the same group that fought in the gnw. No entity stays the same forever.
I disagree.
The only real change in BoB is that RKK has gotten bigger... and most of that was from taking some m0o and RN into our group.
The leaders remain the same, the philosophy remains the same and most importantly, the main fighters remain the same.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.17 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
The weakness of the PA and other northern Vassal Pact states in my eyes is their inability to accept that time moves on and situations change. What I sense is that you guys are pretty desparate to fight the GNW over again and try for a better result this time. I understand that and I'd enjoy it massively so lets hope the powers that be make it happen.
Better result? BoB left the north and the PA still lives Venal/Branch.
BoB left for whatever reason, who knows, certainly not me. You would know better than I would with your corporation's close ties to them.
I mean a "better result" like actually winning a series of crushing fleet battles and breaking BoB and friends in space, that kind of thing. Last northern war kinda dwindled out as everyone fled and the prime suspects left the region. It didn't have much of a climax. If there is a GNW2 then it'll feature IRON/PA/G/FE and about half a dozen other small alliances all on the same side against the aggressors. Hence I'm thinking your guys think they can win it handily this time and teach us and Bob and whoever else a lesson.
Thats what I meant.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.08.17 18:58:00 -
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XELAS wont undock when IMP/VC are running about (go DMGI and RUBRA!) and b0b are being smashed by every other 'decent' alliance in this game. b0b bit off more then they can chew (they are fighting real pvpers instead of miners)and XELAS jumping on the b0b band wagon will suffer the same fate as b0b.
GL XELAS and b0b!!! Your gonna need it. 
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Zorn Cephas
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Posted - 2005.08.17 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Do'lan
Enjoy
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Denine
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Posted - 2005.08.18 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Denine on 18/08/2005 14:24:28
edit: wrong thread...
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.22 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Insane Angel
XELAS wont undock when IMP/VC are running about (go DMGI and RUBRA!) and b0b are being smashed by every other 'decent' alliance in this game. b0b bit off more then they can chew (they are fighting real pvpers instead of miners)and XELAS jumping on the b0b band wagon will suffer the same fate as b0b.
GL XELAS and b0b!!! Your gonna need it.
Xelas are doing perfectly well in my opinion. DMGI and Rubra are not achieving anything apart from killing some ships (this isn't going to gain them territory nor is it going to force anyone to leave... tis good fun though!).
Xelas have a nice large territory to live in and they have great backup from the other corps working and living in the area.
However, most importantly, they are communicating with all the corps in the area brilliantly. This is something that the northern corps never really learnt how to do.
Fountain is there for Xelas to keep as long as they want it and based on their desire since they moved in, I foresee no reason for them to be ousted by anyone.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.08.22 10:46:00 -
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Indeed, we are delighted to allow Xelas to remain in Fountain Space. It's like having a Quick Trip go in on the corner near where you live.
And indeed, it has been good fun all the way around. I wouldn't have it any other way, for now.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.08.22 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
And indeed, it has been good fun all the way around. I wouldn't have it any other way, for now.
Why on earth would you stop it being "fun"?
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Morfhman
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Posted - 2005.08.22 14:45:00 -
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Oh my god....
The stupidity and arrogance is well over all expectation¦s
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Shittake
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Posted - 2005.08.22 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Insane Angel
XELAS wont undock when IMP/VC are running about (go DMGI and RUBRA!) and b0b are being smashed by every other 'decent' alliance in this game. b0b bit off more then they can chew (they are fighting real pvpers instead of miners)and XELAS jumping on the b0b band wagon will suffer the same fate as b0b.
GL XELAS and b0b!!! Your gonna need it.
Xelas are doing perfectly well in my opinion. DMGI and Rubra are not achieving anything apart from killing some ships (this isn't going to gain them territory nor is it going to force anyone to leave... tis good fun though!).
Xelas have a nice large territory to live in and they have great backup from the other corps working and living in the area.
However, most importantly, they are communicating with all the corps in the area brilliantly. This is something that the northern corps never really learnt how to do.
Fountain is there for Xelas to keep as long as they want it and based on their desire since they moved in, I foresee no reason for them to be ousted by anyone.
dbp
This is absolutely hilarious.
If the tables were turned, say you invading another alliances space, and we said something like this, your would luanch into some kind of smackfest tyrade talking about how enemy industrial forces are too weak to undock . . . blah blah blah.
I am continually amazed by BoB's ability to twist and spin
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.22 15:27:00 -
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Not really because we would actually be present for large portions of the day killing stuff, not just turning up for half an hour, ganking a BS then logging off for the rest of the day.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Daxes
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Posted - 2005.08.23 12:17:00 -
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lets be honest, only reason that Xelas can survive in Fountain is BoB.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.08.24 10:20:00 -
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Oh come now. I remember many many times BoB would mass login, gank for a time till a greater force gathered, and then would log out.
Actually, I remember the majority of the GNW being peaceful, with relatively little combat with BoB in our core systems. Lots of NPCing and such though.
Not trying to put you guys down, cause you do what you do well. But its not nearly as black and white as you would make it seem, more like grey and grey.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.24 10:42:00 -
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Let's keep the ancient history in the past.
I can rise to answer the blatant flamebait but since it has nothing to do with this thread, I won't.
This is a thread about Xelas and BoB and them moving to there.
thx
dbp
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catz
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Posted - 2005.08.25 12:36:00 -
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Xelas is a very good tutorial target for kill's agent mission (except S-44). Forgot the official tutorial, come in fountain, you will enjoy the game :)
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.25 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 25/08/2005 14:04:36
Originally by: catz
Xelas is a very good tutorial target for kill's agent mission (except S-44). Forgot the official tutorial, come in fountain, you will enjoy the game :)
Interesting coming from someone within Colsup.
Any other random n00b want to try and add somemore lame flames below? Think this thread is pretty dead considering the last 4/5 other posters have simply been flames.
dbp
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:55:00 -
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IBTL :D
or something..
I'm rubber you're glue ?
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.08.26 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Insane Angel
XELAS wont undock when IMP/VC are running about (go DMGI and RUBRA!) and b0b are being smashed by every other 'decent' alliance in this game. b0b bit off more then they can chew (they are fighting real pvpers instead of miners)and XELAS jumping on the b0b band wagon will suffer the same fate as b0b.
GL XELAS and b0b!!! Your gonna need it.
Don't we need to be suffering losses to be getting "smashed"? Pretty much every day we end up killing quite a few more G/IMP/IRON then we lose. We aren't allowed to link to killboards anyone, but it's pretty obvious to anyone looking at the big picture and not eating a load of propaganda that BoB doing quite well. Neither side is being "smashed" atm, mostly because there has been a lack of large scale fleet battles.
I'd suggest you take off your blinders and stop believing whatever Xirt tells you.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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