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Meer
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:12:00 -
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Ok I have level 1 cloaking and a level 1 cloaking device.
1) I can not warp while cloaked.
2) I can move but very very very slowly.
3) I can not turn my cloak on once I have been targeted.
4) I can not turn my cloak on if I am IN THE PROCESS of being targeted.
I can't really travel with it. I can't do anything while cloaked. I can't use it to hide and run from an attacker. I can't really target anything within a decent amount of time after uncloaking. I can't stay cloaked if I am near pretty much anything. As far as I can tell the only thing it is useful for is sitting in the middle of nowhere doing nothing. Which is useless.
So I am posting here to hear some examples of situations where a level 1 cloaking device on a non-covert-ops ship would be useful. I'd really love what the people who implemented it inteded it's use to be.
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Maestra Jsun
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:15:00 -
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Lovin' those level 1 skills. ;)
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:25:00 -
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go to safespot , cloak and go afk.
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Meer
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Maestra Jsun
Edited by: Maestra Jsun on 10/08/2005 20:19:49
Edited by: Maestra Jsun on 10/08/2005 20:18:12
Lovin' those level 1 skills. ;)
Example: You are sitting at a belt cloaked. Your mates are just a moon away.
One nicely fitted barge, or let us say a hauler, warps to your general position. You approach as close as possible, your mates gang warp to you. Blam-O!
How do you know what belt to sit in? Why, all of them! Get more covert op ships and pilots...cloak camp every belt in the system.
Ok. A few problems with this idea.
1) When your cloaked you can move at the rate of less than 30 or 40m a second. So to go even 10K would take you 10 minutes.
2) No one can see you when you are cloaked. So how would your corp mates know where you are at all?
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 10/08/2005 20:33:51
You'll need to learn up to the ability to use Covert Ops ships, then the entire skillset becomes incredibly useful in pvp.
If they made it to where everyone with lvl1 cloaking skill could zip around like normal, you would never see anyone in-game, just a bunch of names in local.
Teamspeak and Corpchat are handy for #2.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Meer
Ok. A few problems with this idea.
1) When your cloaked you can move at the rate of less than 30 or 40m a second. So to go even 10K would take you 10 minutes.
2) No one can see you when you are cloaked. So how would your corp mates know where you are at all?
The solution for 1 is called covert ops and for 2 "warp to gangmember" 
And yes, standard cloaks are pretty much useless.
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Tinweasel
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:32:00 -
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Nope. You are'nt playing a wow rouge.
Congratulations on not playing an acid trip simulator.
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Maestra Jsun
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:38:00 -
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[QUOTE]Ok. A few problems with this idea.
1) When your cloaked you can move at the rate of less than 30 or 40m a second. So to go even 10K would take you 10 minutes.
2) No one can see you when you are cloaked. So how would your corp mates know where you are at all?
You are right. You have worthless skills.
*Maestra Jsun wanders off with his optimism and capitalistic intent.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:38:00 -
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Also, I wouldn't say they are totally useless. I know they've saved my butt a few times, running a hauler through low sec.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:40:00 -
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The Idea is to warp out. THEN cloak so the people hunting you dont stand chance of finding you.
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:41:00 -
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They can be good for busting up gate camps. Putting a cloak on a high slot of a geddon is a very good tool. Lets say you know "x-xxx" system is always going to be camped. So you sneak your geddon in and sit there cloaked. THey dont know where u are they look for you but slowly they settle in to their gate ganking routine. They get bored they shoot each other they shoot haulers, amid the confusion, you decloak throw on the sensorboosters and idealy your sensor damps, and then you open fire. The cloaking device is good for well-plannend and patient ambusher.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:54:00 -
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You were suggesting uber ideas for cloaking in a thread in the ideas discussion.
Now you tell us you've only just trained it to level 1.
That's a bit arse about face isn't it?
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Rakasashan Endir
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:57:00 -
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Train up for cov-ops. You can warpwhile cloacked, and you can fly quickly while cloaked. You are the eyes of your corp in a cov-op, not the fist.
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Meer
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
You were suggesting uber ideas for cloaking in a thread in the ideas discussion.
Now you tell us you've only just trained it to level 1.
That's a bit arse about face isn't it?
I wasn't aware that you had to have certain level requirements to have ideas.
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Nekhad Jormuzzar
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Posted - 2005.08.10 20:58:00 -
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Warp into a new system with hostiles in sight and no chance of facing them or warping out soon enough to avoid being scrambled or subjected to a deadly alpha strike (low agility ship or whatever):
Move your ship to decloak and immediately activate your cloak.
Align for warp while cloaked.
Decloak and warp.
Cloak again in safespot.
Make yourself a cappuccino.
Get some cookies.
Hopefully you'll make it. If there's an inty close enough to you to make you uncloak you are dead, but it does work otherwise.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.08.10 21:13:00 -
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Cloaks got hit by the pre-nerf pretty hard, and have been forgotten ever since. Stealth bombers are a result of that also.
But meh, cloaks are still useful if you know when and how to use them. Just not popularly pimp.
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Jongo Fett
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:02:00 -
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Well i use a Executioner with a Improved cloak with overdrive injectors in the low slots and a ab in the med slot i can get to about 140-150 somethin like that while cloaked
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:16:00 -
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It is useful to fit one to a hauler so that you can take it into a complex with you - cloak on arrival - wait for everything to get killed - uncloak and scoop up the loot and minerals - repeat and rinse.
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Hawk Firestorm
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:16:00 -
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I have to agree really bout the only semi worthwhile implementation of cloak were covert ops.
Rest are really just a hide in a safespot device. lol
Not exactly the best implementation of cloak I've ever seen.
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Ka Sei
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:28:00 -
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Cloaking your hauler if you are moving through 0.0 is very handy indeed...
I was once jumped through a gate with a bestower full of expensive equipment and there was a tempest and inty waiting on the other side.
Yes, i did have to wait for about an hour cloaked for them to give up and me to escape...but it would have taken a lot longer than that to regain the assets i would have most definitely lost.
Even the crap ones have their uses.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:40:00 -
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The most idiotic thing about cloaking is that you can't recloak while the enemies are trying to lock you up. Basicly if they have time to click you a multi-million ISK piece of equipment is instantly rendered useless. How stupid is that? 
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.08.11 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
The most idiotic thing about cloaking is that you can't recloak while the enemies are trying to lock you up. Basicly if they have time to click you a multi-million ISK piece of equipment is instantly rendered useless. How stupid is that?
You can cloak while you're being targetted.
You can't cloak when you have been targetted.
Makes perfect sense to me, otherwise cloaking ships would be invincible.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Meer
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Posted - 2005.08.12 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Noriath
The most idiotic thing about cloaking is that you can't recloak while the enemies are trying to lock you up. Basicly if they have time to click you a multi-million ISK piece of equipment is instantly rendered useless. How stupid is that?
You can cloak while you're being targetted.
You can't cloak when you have been targetted.
Makes perfect sense to me, otherwise cloaking ships would be invincible.
Your wrong, you can't cloak while BEING targeted. So as was said, the minute someone clicks on your ship your cloak is useless.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2005.08.12 15:51:00 -
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I think people get this mixed up, a yellow cursor means you are targeted, red when they shoot you. if you are being targeted you can still cloak, but you have no way of knowing if you are being targeted, the only indication is once lock has been established.
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.08.12 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Meer
Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Noriath
The most idiotic thing about cloaking is that you can't recloak while the enemies are trying to lock you up. Basicly if they have time to click you a multi-million ISK piece of equipment is instantly rendered useless. How stupid is that?
You can cloak while you're being targetted.
You can't cloak when you have been targetted.
Makes perfect sense to me, otherwise cloaking ships would be invincible.
Your wrong, you can't cloak while BEING targeted. So as was said, the minute someone clicks on your ship your cloak is useless.
thinks of the countless ships that cloak while im targeting them.. countless..
wish that was true I owul dhave loads more kills on my board..
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.12 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Meer
Originally by: Deja Thoris
You were suggesting uber ideas for cloaking in a thread in the ideas discussion.
Now you tell us you've only just trained it to level 1.
That's a bit arse about face isn't it?
I wasn't aware that you had to have certain level requirements to have ideas.
Knowledge on the topic would be appropriate.
You dont walk into a nuclear power plant and shout "hey guys - wouldn't it be cool if....."
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.12 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Meer
Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Noriath
The most idiotic thing about cloaking is that you can't recloak while the enemies are trying to lock you up. Basicly if they have time to click you a multi-million ISK piece of equipment is instantly rendered useless. How stupid is that?
You can cloak while you're being targetted.
You can't cloak when you have been targetted.
Makes perfect sense to me, otherwise cloaking ships would be invincible.
Your wrong, you can't cloak while BEING targeted. So as was said, the minute someone clicks on your ship your cloak is useless.
Wrong
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.12 17:31:00 -
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stealth bombers (missing bonus?) simply need a shorter delay for uncloak --> lock capability
as it is right now i can uncloak watch my target fly off, basically the equivalent of hiding in a bush, jumping out and saying "BOO!" then telling them "Ok, here I am you have 12 secs to run." 
I think the delays and penalties should stay the same for other ships and cov ops (not much of a fighter anyway) but stealth bombers are supposed to be able to sweep in and unload wtfpwnage on unsuspecting victims.
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Decairn
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Posted - 2005.08.12 18:52:00 -
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they're good for scouting ahead with gate camps - have a cloaked guy on the other side of the gate and tell the gang when people are about to jump.
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.08.12 19:00:00 -
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You have to know how to use the cloak, instead of just putting it on and going into ghost mode.
If you can't cloak because you are locked, try ECM jamming them to break their lock. Or better yet, sensor dampen them that way you are too far away for them to even lock you.
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