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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
958
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:32:00 -
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So the rumor, that needs to be expunged is this one going on about CCP owning a white board.
More to the point a word that is written on this 'alleged' whiteboard.
According to a "inside" source, the so called 'word' written on the 'alleged' whiteboard was "Corvettes"
These alleged 'Corvettes' according to the so-called "Wikipedia" are allegedly smaller than what unreliable sources call 'Frigates'
Please debunk this whiteboard myth.
-- Tom Gerard Grand Cyclops of Mission Chat. One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
776
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:34:00 -
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"get out" Reading the EVEO forums is like huffing gas or sniffing glue. Sure it's funny and you get high, but you pay a terrible, terrible price in the long run. |

Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
33203
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:34:00 -
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 Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
776
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:35:00 -
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Ordinarily your posting is at least somewhat entertaining, but this one falls well short of the line that demarcates the crap from the interesting. Reading the EVEO forums is like huffing gas or sniffing glue. Sure it's funny and you get high, but you pay a terrible, terrible price in the long run. |

Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
958
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:36:00 -
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Not intended to be interesting, intended to kill a troll in my Mission chat. One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |

Alara IonStorm
4385
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:38:00 -
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I had hoped they would rename Rookie Ships Corvette's for a while because Rookie Ship sounds silly. I can not complain about a new ship class though.
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
200
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:44:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I had hoped they would rename Rookie Ships Corvette's for a while because Rookie Ship sounds silly. I can not complain about a new ship class though.
What purpose would ships smaller than frigates serve? In my opinion, there's plenty of room for variation within existing ship sizes, no need to add more. |

Alara IonStorm
4385
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:56:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I had hoped they would rename Rookie Ships Corvette's for a while because Rookie Ship sounds silly. I can not complain about a new ship class though.
What purpose would ships smaller than frigates serve? In my opinion, there's plenty of room for variation within existing ship sizes, no need to add more. Why are you quoting me I never said I wanted a new ship class? I said I thought the Rookie Ships should be renamed Corvette but if CCP gives it to a new Ship type I would not complain.
By the way the purpose a ship smaller then a Frigate serves would be a Rookie Ship, hint, hint. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1082
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Posted - 2013.03.05 09:57:00 -
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I suppose that the fighters carried by the supercarriers would technically be corvettes... maybe. EvE Forum Bingo |

Shalia Ripper
387
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:08:00 -
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The important question is -
Will any said corvettes be little and red?
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
873
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:10:00 -
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"horseshit" |

Ayame Tao
58
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:43:00 -
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*grabs large stick*
Corvettes will be introduced in Dust 514 as a command craft that can be used to get Mercenaries into orbit, and into EVE proper.
Whilst Mercenaries won't be able to fly other ships, Corvettes will allow them to interact more closely with EVE players and eventually transport them to stations where EVE and Dust avatars can intermingle.
*stirs vigorously*
*bake for 20 minutes at gas mark 5* |

KingMazz ONE
Gravit Negotii S2N Citizens
20
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:49:00 -
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this is a video of corvette's in eve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9yHFAAhUq0 IT MAKE"S MY WINKY GO DING !!!!!!!!!!!! |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
4378

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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:52:00 -
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Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never been seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1835

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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:55:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never been seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result.
I prefer 'Bone' it's a good coloring for my Business cards too. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1737
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:56:00 -
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I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there.
That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1166
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  Don't be silly, CCP HQ is a labyrinth floating in a volcano, built out of the bones of whales and all their fallen battle opponents. If you were to defeat the minotaur, CCP Guard (and no one ever has), you would have access to Tuxford's Red Button which lets you nerf everything everyone else is flying, and buff everything you fly.
Get your facts straight  |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
407

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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:04:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1737
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:17:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Looks like a fictional weather forecast, seems way to cold for anywhere people live and it mentions snow, which I have never seen so must go in the same category as dragons, fairies and sea monsters.
Now I know places do get colder than that but why would people live there?
So best advice throw more fuel on the fire and go deeper into the cave. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
275
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:27:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Looks like a fictional weather forecast, seems way to cold for anywhere people live and it mentions snow, which I have never seen so must go in the same category as dragons, fairies and sea monsters. Now I know places do get colder than that but why would people live there? So best advice throw more fuel on the fire and go deeper into the cave.
How is that too cold? -12 is not as bad as the -30 that russia gets sometimes :s |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
794
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:53:00 -
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If corvettes in eve are like the car, then the eve version will also have a fast big engine and be wrapped in an ugly plastic shell. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |

Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
16
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:55:00 -
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How can trolling be outlawed by ccp? |

Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
49
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:04:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing.
HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P
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Goldnut Sachs
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:21:00 -
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lol grand cyclops good one. |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
322
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:22:00 -
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Athena Maldoran wrote:How can trolling be outlawed by ccp? it's how the CCPs troll other people. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2828
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:47:00 -
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wrrrrrrrrooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmm wrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Corvette ... i take it. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
636
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:24:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing.
It's a good weather to stay at home and make plenty of babies. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3688
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:43:00 -
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Aw c'mon guys, I've been asking for a Corvette class to be considered since this game got out of Beta.
Throw us a bone Fozzie, is the introduction of a new ship class even remotely being considered?
(I know it's unlikely, it's just wishful thinking, but hey you never know until you ask right?) To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1021
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:47:00 -
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So DUST Bunnies get Corvettes to hop around space and Capsuleers get MTACs to stomp on DUSTies.
It would make me a happy man. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Gorgenvain
MOOGOO Partners
1
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:58:00 -
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Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P Seriously, while the days of not getting above 0-¦ F are nasty, it's only 25-¦ F right now in St. Paul (-4-¦ C) and the walk in to work was pretty decent minus the snow. HTFU  |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4360
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:02:00 -
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Corvettes back when the server dump spat them out suggested that they where pod controlled fighters shot out of guns. (no litterally they where fired out of guns according to the stats) then again this was when the 425mm Tech III railgrun existed to have chip slots in them. This is all old ancient stuff no longer likely the case.
I have suggested that they be fighter squadron leaders since when a carrier assigns fighters to a ship loses all the carrier bonuses. It would also be a cheap non gate capable ship to replace losses on the field without having to go all the way home.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4360
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:03:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:So DUST Bunnies get Corvettes to hop around space and Capsuleers get MTACs to stomp on DUSTies.
It would make me a happy man.
Well after some deliberation the MCC is about sub destroyer size clocking in at 90-110 meters and the way the game is playing out now... I wouldnt think a corvetee would fit in the game proper yet.
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baltec1
Bat Country
5488
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:07:00 -
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Gorgenvain wrote:Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P Seriously, while the days of not getting above 0-¦ F are nasty, it's only 25-¦ F right now in St. Paul (-4-¦ C) and the walk in to work was pretty decent minus the snow. HTFU 
To be fair they do have good heating equipment |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1102
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:27:00 -
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I thought it said "Infiniband" on CCP's whiteboard.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3688
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:29:00 -
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I think one interesting concept would be:
Corvettes are a fast manned attack vessel slightly larger than a fighter, the pilot does have a pod. Super Carriers can optionally carry a large volume of them in addition to their fighter compliment. When pilots lose their ships they can jump into a Corvette at the closest Super Carrier and get back into the fight immediately. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
386
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:00:00 -
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Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P How often does it get above ~60 F (rusty on my celsius measurements, havent taken chem in a while) in Minnesota? if the answer is "not often", i will have to move there, Kentucky has become far too warm for my tastes in recent years.
as another plus, if my geography does not betray me, Minnesota is farther from Jersey than Louisville, which is always an extra plus. |

Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
503
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:57:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P How often does it get above ~60 F (rusty on my celsius measurements, havent taken chem in a while) in Minnesota? if the answer is "not often", i will have to move there, Kentucky has become far too warm for my tastes in recent years. as another plus, if my geography does not betray me, Minnesota is farther from Jersey than Louisville, which is always an extra plus. Sorry, if you move to Minnesota you need to be prepared to deal with temperatures from -25F to +100F based on the past couple of years alone. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
837
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:00:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote: What purpose would ships smaller than frigates serve? In my opinion, there's plenty of room for variation within existing ship sizes, no need to add more.
well how about a ship that is not made out of trit as its unstable in atmospheric pressure...
hint hint nudge nudge Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never be seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result.
i smell troll |

Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:04:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing.
yup, trolls here |

Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:05:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Looks like a fictional weather forecast, seems way to cold for anywhere people live and it mentions snow, which I have never seen so must go in the same category as dragons, fairies and sea monsters. Now I know places do get colder than that but why would people live there? So best advice throw more fuel on the fire and go deeper into the cave. How is that too cold? -12 is not as bad as the -30 that russia gets sometimes :s
WHY DO PEOPLE LIVE THERE?!?!?!?! |

Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:09:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P How often does it get above ~60 F (rusty on my celsius measurements, havent taken chem in a while) in Minnesota? if the answer is "not often", i will have to move there, Kentucky has become far too warm for my tastes in recent years. as another plus, if my geography does not betray me, Minnesota is farther from Jersey than Louisville, which is always an extra plus. Sorry, if you move to Minnesota you need to be prepared to deal with temperatures from -25F to +100F based on the past couple of years alone.
lol, i can't think of a time when Texas went into the negatives.....then again, yesterday it was already 90F, i predict another triple digit summer |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1029
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:21:00 -
[43] - Quote
I......what the......that.....um.....
/me pulls out a doll and points....
That's where the bad man touched me *cries* HTFU!...for the children! |

BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
151
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:02:00 -
[44] - Quote
ISD Suvetar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never been seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result. I prefer 'Bone' it's a good coloring for my Business cards too.
Look at that subtle off-white coloring!
Starships were meant to fly~ |

Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:04:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:I......what the......that.....um..... /me pulls out a doll and points.... That's where the bad man touched me *cries*
LMAO!!!
couldn't. stop. laughing!!! |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
38
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:24:00 -
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Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P
Damnit, fellow Minnesotan beat me to it :(
Today is, what, 28 degrees F/ -2 degrees C, and I didn't wear a coat today because it feels NICE (coat is in the car in case of ending up stranded, of course). With no wind, anything at or above the freezing point feels pretty damn nice this time of year.
What I wanna know is why/how did people USED to live here? Before central heating and air conditioning? |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1670
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:38:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
What I wanna know is why/how did people USED to live here? Before central heating and air conditioning?
Thick walls, fires, lots of clothing, and do not underestimate the ability of the human body to adapt, especially if they grow up there. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:41:00 -
[48] - Quote
Renaming the rookie ships Corvettes makes sense, especially when the pirate faction versions are factored in.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
979
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:51:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:I suppose that the fighters carried by the supercarriers would technically be corvettes... maybe. Naah. A corvette would be heavier armed, but about the same level of protection, and slower. Meaning: Effectively useless. Historically, Corvettes were ASW escorts, weaker than destroyers in all respects - speed, firepower, and survivability.
Basically, if you could put a popgun on a shuttle, you'd have a corvette. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4711
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:57:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Renaming the rookie ships Corvettes makes sense, especially when the pirate faction versions are factored in.
But how do you get pirate ones, if rookie ships remain racially bound? Maybe changing it to be based on the station owner instead of your race. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2490
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:01:00 -
[51] - Quote
Maybe these will be twitch-controlled dogfighters? |

S'Way
Bitter Vets
461
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:11:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Klymer wrote:Renaming the rookie ships Corvettes makes sense, especially when the pirate faction versions are factored in.
But how do you get pirate ones, if rookie ships remain racially bound? Maybe changing it to be based on the station owner instead of your race. Rookie ship based on the station owner would be good - if it happened I can see a nice sideline in parking some alts in cloning stations in delve, curse,venal etc to farm some for the collectors market. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3691
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:27:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Klymer wrote:Renaming the rookie ships Corvettes makes sense, especially when the pirate faction versions are factored in.
But how do you get pirate ones, if rookie ships remain racially bound? Maybe changing it to be based on the station owner instead of your race. My first thought is that they would become your default rookie ship if you joined a pirate faction for faction warfare next release. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2641
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
Another quality Tom Gerard thread. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1742
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:42:00 -
[55] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Baljos Arnjak wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. HA...HAHA... and Ha! -6c is cold? We've had days in Minnesota where the high was about -15c (+5 F). You all are wusses =P Damnit, fellow Minnesotan beat me to it :( Today is, what, 28 degrees F/ -2 degrees C, and I didn't wear a coat today because it feels NICE (coat is in the car in case of ending up stranded, of course). With no wind, anything at or above the freezing point feels pretty damn nice this time of year. What I wanna know is why/how did people USED to live here? Before central heating and air conditioning? Way to cold it gets to -5C here in winter and that is too cold give me 38C + any day
We get a lot of days here over 110 F, and I would take those any day over the cold. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
440
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:59:00 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result.
QFT. However that doesn't change the fact Corvette is a better name than Rookie Ship.
PI Profitability spreadsheet
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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
9
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
Calathorn Virpio wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Looks like a fictional weather forecast, seems way to cold for anywhere people live and it mentions snow, which I have never seen so must go in the same category as dragons, fairies and sea monsters. Now I know places do get colder than that but why would people live there? So best advice throw more fuel on the fire and go deeper into the cave. How is that too cold? -12 is not as bad as the -30 that russia gets sometimes :s WHY DO PEOPLE LIVE THERE?!?!?!?!
Why not? Where I live in New Zealand, the temperatures match those in the winter and top 30C during the day in the summer. |

Alara IonStorm
4401
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:37:00 -
[58] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:So DUST Bunnies get Corvettes to hop around space I don't know jack about Dust since I'm not a big fan of FPS's and don't own a PS3 but if doable that would be amazing.
Sort of like a DUST Troop Ship of sorts. Allow players up to stations and visit say a cityscape area on some worlds. Allows EVE players to hunt them requiring escorts and intel.
Say 20k EHP Destroyer size, Cruiser speed. I don't know if it would interface well though. A lot of ground work would have to go into it but imagine missions where the Capsuleer enters the complex, the Troop Ship Docks and the Capsuleers fight off waves while the Bunnies clear the base.
Ranger 1 wrote: My first thought is that they would become your default rookie ship if you joined a pirate faction for faction warfare next release.
I would love to buzz around in those things, here is hoping they are plentiful. Pirate Swarm Roam anybody. |

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
87
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Posted - 2013.03.06 18:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:How often does it get above ~60 F (rusty on my celsius measurements, havent taken chem in a while) in Minnesota? if the answer is "not often", i will have to move there, Kentucky has become far too warm for my tastes in recent years.
as another plus, if my geography does not betray me, Minnesota is farther from Jersey than Louisville, which is always an extra plus.
Celcius is easy:
0 degrees: Pure water goes to solid state (freezing point). 37 degrees: Body temperature. 100 degrees: Pure water goes to gaseous state (boiling point).
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
398
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Posted - 2013.03.06 20:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
Calathorn Virpio wrote:
WHY DO PEOPLE LIVE THERE?!?!?!?!
They have excellent side benefits. By that I mean ufettered access to the world that lay under the crust and the dinosaur's there.
Also its not that bad, I lived where my socks froze solid inside my sleeping bag inside my tent while I was on an insulated air mattress. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6996
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:05:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never be seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result.
You'd be a much better company if you dropped that dry erase nonsense and used chalk. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Alara IonStorm
4429
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
Andski wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never be seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result. You'd be a much better company if you dropped that dry erase nonsense and used chalk. The best companies tattoo their idea's on them for presentations. That way only the really, really good idea's get through. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3703
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:21:00 -
[63] - Quote
Andski wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never be seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result. You'd be a much better company if you dropped that dry erase nonsense and used chalk. Chalk dust and technology do not mix. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6996
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:33:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Andski wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never be seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result. You'd be a much better company if you dropped that dry erase nonsense and used chalk. Chalk dust and technology do not mix.
A loss worth the authority expressed by the man who best wields his chalk. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3704
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Andski wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lies, all lies.
"White" boards are a tool for people with no interior design instincts whatsoever and would never be seen inside our stylish offices.
Our boards are all "eggshell" and we are a much better company as a result. You'd be a much better company if you dropped that dry erase nonsense and used chalk. Chalk dust and technology do not mix. A loss worth the authority expressed by the man who best wields his chalk. For those that believe "wielding chalk" expresses authority the better option would be to simply chisel their presentation into a stone tablet.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

21 Day Trial
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 09:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
they're working on a pink scorpion too, i seen it ma self. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffzwroDldBQ |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
273
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:27:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Still nothing compared to northern Minnesota. Try -50C for a few days on end.
Maybe with enough global warming the Gulf Stream will re-direct itself and Iceland will know what cold really is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Carniflex
StarHunt
43
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:46:00 -
[68] - Quote
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
How is that too cold? -12 is not as bad as the -30 that russia gets sometimes :s
When I was in the army I was in a patrol duty with -35 C and light blizzard. It was uncomfortable. Also after the patrol tour was over the clip had frozen into my machinegun and it was quite a undertaking to get it to separate from there. For saefty reasons we were supposed to not go into the barracks with loaded guns.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
171
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:08:00 -
[69] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:I suppose that the fighters carried by the supercarriers would technically be corvettes... maybe. Naah. A corvette would be heavier armed, but about the same level of protection, and slower. Meaning: Effectively useless. Historically, Corvettes were ASW escorts, weaker than destroyers in all respects - speed, firepower, and survivability. Basically, if you could put a popgun on a shuttle, you'd have a corvette.
Historically, a corvette was a ship built by the Terran nation of France in pre-spacetravel nation-state days. The class was first coined during a period in which water-going vessels were powered by atmospheric pressure variances. It was smaller than a frigate, had lighter armament, and was built for operation in shallow coastal waters. Similar to the sloop and brig (also shallow-water vessels), they could be operated up rivers and such with ocean-inlets.
Later the classification fell from favor, but was revived during a period of extended, intensified global warfare on old Earth, given to mass-produced, lightly armed ships intended for sub-hunting. They were not 'useless'...corvettes presented one of several changes to convoy strategy that ended up all but finishing off the unrestricted anti-shipping tactics employed at the time. I'm sure the Goons could tell you that logistics, even in this modern age of internet spas-ships, is a vital factor in their efforts, and I'm sure protecting their supply-chains is one of several vital fleet missions.
I'm curious to see what role a 'corvette' would fill in Eve, that isn't already occupied by some current class, without inventing a whole new task for them to accomplish. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2330
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Posted - 2013.03.07 21:26:00 -
[70] - Quote
Just as an FYI, the fighter-bombers were in the TQ database as "Corvette" for a long time before they were released. I don't know if they had planned a "Corvette" class and then later decided it was too much work and ended up just using those models for fighter bombers, or if that was the plan all along. I do know that the concept of corvettes has been bounced around in F&I at least since I started playing.
Who knows... maybe someone at CCP is looking at buying the new stingray and was workshopping it...
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Alara IonStorm
4449
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Posted - 2013.03.07 22:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Historically, Corvettes were ASW escorts, weaker than destroyers in all respects - speed, firepower, and survivability.
Destroyers were not actually used for Sub Hunting they were often shoehorned into the role, though they did screen fleets.
The problem with using Destroyers in WW2 against subs was simple, old subs were slow and even slower underwater. Destroyers actual role was an extension of the Torpedo Boat. Armor not having hitpoints in real life had to be broken through and a large Cruiser or Battleship had large belts of armor, to break this shell you needed a powerful impact or explosion. A gun big enough to fire a round that size needed a certain size of hull making bigger ships dominant.
To solve this construction race a new device called a torpedo was created, a mine affixed to a lance to be rammed into a ship hull. After realizing the ACME method was as impractical as it was suicidal the self propelled torpedo was created with a screw affixed to the rear of the mine.
Early Torpedo Boats were small, one good hit spelled doom. They had a low waterline (stability at sea), low fuel reserves (limited range) and a paper hull (weak). All of which meant their use on the high seas was limited. To fix this the concept of the Torpedo Boat Destroyer was introduced. Armored to take shell hits, has a defensive array of guns to fight off small escorts, large engines to propel the craft and a larger hull for sea stability and range. This allowed them to take their torpedo's to the enemy. Torpedo Boats became a coastal type defense ship where destroyers took over fleets.
The Destroyers role changed around WW2 to also provide AA and ASW defense like most ships in the fleet. While relatively cheap all these features made them more expensive and none of them were a serious boon to ASW. They were faster then they needed to be to catch subs, they had more guns then needed to sink a surfaced sub and their armor while strong was not near strong enough to stop a torpedo impact.
Now Corvettes and Chasers were good ships for hunting but in blue water like the old torpedo boats they were limited in stability and range. Enter an old standard, the 40 cannon sail Frigate had long since gone the way of the dinosaur with turret wielding, screw propelled Cruisers taking their place as light warships. WW2 saw their reintroduction by the British as a smaller stripped down Destroyer with no torpedo tubes, slow engines and more ASW armament.
Currently ship designation makes little difference, most Warships have a small main gun, anti-ship missiles, anti-air missiles, close support guns, torpedo's and depth charges all rolled into one. Ship size doesn't matter so much in designation since every nation designates ships based on different criteria most of which have the same multipurpose role.
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
303
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:04:00 -
[72] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I had hoped they would rename Rookie Ships Corvette's for a while because Rookie Ship sounds silly. I can not complain about a new ship class though.
What purpose would ships smaller than frigates serve? In my opinion, there's plenty of room for variation within existing ship sizes, no need to add more. Please quote me properly. When I said I wanted a new ship class I wanted them to get rid of Rookie Ships and introduce Corvettes. But if CCP gives it to a whole new type, and leaves rookie ships as they are, I would not complain. By the way the purpose a ship smaller then a Frigate serves would be a Rookie Ship, hint, hint.
Not true at all. A ship smaller than a frigate COULD be a rookie ship, but I could see this having performance issues. They want rookie ships to at least have some semblance of firepower and tanking ability. If you had something smaller than a rookie ship, I would assume iy to finally fill a scout classification for ships, or even better (harder to hit) interceptors, that traded off most of their firepower capabilities for faster speeds and even smaller tanks. |

Alara IonStorm
4449
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:09:00 -
[73] - Quote
Arronicus wrote: Not true at all. A ship smaller than a frigate COULD be a rookie ship, but I could see this having performance issues. They want rookie ships to at least have some semblance of firepower and tanking ability. If you had something smaller than a rookie ship, I would assume iy to finally fill a scout classification for ships, or even better (harder to hit) interceptors, that traded off most of their firepower capabilities for faster speeds and even smaller tanks.
The Scouting Role is pretty well covered, a faster weaker version probably wouldn't change EVE in a big way since even T1 Attack ships can break 6km a second with 2 second align. Not much more speed is really needed for scouting after that. If you need a safer scout then that there are even invisible ships that can handle it. |

Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:53:00 -
[74] - Quote
Ayame Tao wrote:*grabs large stick*
Corvettes will be introduced in Dust 514 as a command craft that can be used to get Mercenaries into orbit, and into EVE proper.
Whilst Mercenaries won't be able to fly other ships, Corvettes will allow them to interact more closely with EVE players and eventually transport them to stations where EVE and Dust avatars can intermingle.
*stirs vigorously*
*bake for 20 minutes at gas mark 5*
wait....
this could work........ I could take my dust merc, fly to a station..... meet my EvE self....... and have a conversation about CCP conspiracy theories while being able to look at the issue from both perspectives.

o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |

Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2013.03.08 00:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
Calathorn Virpio wrote:lol, i can't think of a time when Texas went into the negatives.....then again, yesterday it was already 90F, i predict another triple digit summer 
Grew up in south Texas and been to Houston a few times over the past 2 years, triple digits each time and I still have (insert humor comment about being baked here) family there. still have some 120+ degree photos of the car's temperature readout in the shade with the A/C "on"
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |

YuuKnow
Planetary Purchasing
674
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Posted - 2013.03.08 00:19:00 -
[76] - Quote
Not sure why in the future everyone is still stuck on 20th century aquatic navy termonology.
Corvettes? really? Might as well call them 'swoops'
yk |

Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
307
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Posted - 2013.03.08 00:53:00 -
[77] - Quote
YuuKnow wrote:Not sure why in the future everyone is still stuck on 20th century aquatic navy termonology.
Corvettes? really? Might as well call them 'swoops'
yk galleon master race. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |

Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
305
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:16:00 -
[78] - Quote
YuuKnow wrote:Not sure why in the future everyone is still stuck on 20th century aquatic navy termonology.
Corvettes? really? Might as well call them 'swoops'
yk
Naval Tradition. You are playing a game where it is still a core aspect. Many Caldari ships are named after marine birds, and other flighted predators. Many Gallente ships are named after creatures of mythology. Why are you not questioning why everyone in the future is stuck on naming conventions based on 2nd and 3rd and 4th century and so on characters and animals?
You make a very poor case.
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Alara IonStorm
4457
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:33:00 -
[79] - Quote
Arronicus wrote: Naval Tradition. You are playing a game where it is still a core aspect. Many Caldari ships are named after marine birds, and other flighted predators. Many Gallente ships are named after creatures of mythology. Why are you not questioning why everyone in the future is stuck on naming conventions based on 2nd and 3rd and 4th century and so on characters and animals?
You make a very poor case.
tmyk
That is why I liked the old Scorpion design, it looks like it was made by someone who has only a passing idea what a Scorpion is. All those creatures the Caldari name their ships after are probably mythological to them or perhaps they think the fictional creatures were real.
The names are probably not what we think they are either, they are in entirely new languages. |

Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
245
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Posted - 2013.03.08 09:24:00 -
[80] - Quote
YuuKnow wrote:Not sure why in the future everyone is still stuck on 20th century aquatic navy termonology.
Corvettes? really? Might as well call them 'swoops'
yk
...
When we have bronze-age references in the game, mixing in other, more recent references doesn't hit me as a problem. (where the hell do you think references like Titan came from?)
BTW - Corvettes, Frigates and such... They aren't "20th century" - drop back a bit father for when they came to be. And stopping at WWII type stuff -- where are the Q-Ships? *snicker*
As for the Corvette - I'd guess it'd be mostly a planetary type strafe ship. Messing with Dust folks.
It might also be used as a "swarm" type craft for things that got close to a planet. Bigger ships may not be designed to handle atmospheric effects but something small like this could. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1768
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Posted - 2013.03.08 09:37:00 -
[81] - Quote
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica.  It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing. Still nothing compared to northern Minnesota. Try -50C for a few days on end. Maybe with enough global warming the Gulf Stream will re-direct itself and Iceland will know what cold really is. hmmm how about no.
I have just entered autumn here.
it is 8pm at night
and it is 32.1C (89.78F)
So I am kind of used to a bit warmer temperatures than those designed to freeze a wooly mammoth. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |

Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
68
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Posted - 2013.03.08 14:55:00 -
[82] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:I thought CCP head quarters was a cave in Iceland. Just to get out of the cold. You might find a fire near the entrance but no whiteboards in there. That is why they rent servers in England. And have offices in other places that are not so much like Antarctica. 
They share the cave with a museum as well, and yeah last time i visited the museum all one could see was stone plates with inscriptions, they had some engravings about dust back then while someone from ccp had ordered a few brontopizza's that where being delivered so i could peak past the bear in front of the room entrance.
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:34:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Stillman wrote:It's true. The current weather forecast should give you an idea of how bad it is. Last night they were warning about the possible frost bite you could get if you went outside without proper clothing.
That looks crazy cold.
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