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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Allen Deckard
theres a group in gicodel that I have wondered about for awhile. Have a hard time with 8 covetors mining an ice field every day pretty much all day. Either macroers or really dedicated players.
Hmm, I could use some Ice.
I think we should start a witch hunt.
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capt
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:42:00 -
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It would be a nice idea if someone made a lil' list of known systems and belts containing macro miners so people eager for ore could farm them.
With ccp's permission of course since they are in violation of the EULA.......and only soon(tm) action will be taken against them...
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.17 15:49:00 -
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I like the idea of a channel for identifying macrominers. While I've never had a real major issue with the practice (there are a LOT of belts out there), I also don't like the idea of someone flipping a switch and putting no effort in to acquire ore and isk.
I guess the best thing would be to identify them, let people know where they are, petition it, then proceed to make their lives a living hell as best you can. :)
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Gibri
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:22:00 -
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First the macro miners destroyed the pyerite market, now the trit market is falling into oblivion  people have enough trit now for a long time.
CCP is doing nothing about this infestation of macro miners/isk farmers, even well known macro miners like vinson zhang are still left in the game, after a year of petitions from all the miners in luminaire there was nothing done and now hes moved to khanid kingdom and can roam around. Now every system in essence has a squad of these strip mining roids, there numbers close to 100.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 17/08/2005 16:33:21
Off topic, but I petitioned an internet ISK seller yesterday. It made me feel like I was doing something good. I hope I was right.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Winterblink on 17/08/2005 16:34:51
Originally by: Quanteeri
Edited by: Quanteeri on 17/08/2005 16:33:21
Off topic, but I petitioned an internet ISK seller yesterday. It made me feel like I was doing something good. I hope I was right.
If you're right, then a pat on the back to you for taking action. If you're wrong, then a pat on the back to you for taking action. :)
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Magarbies
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:49:00 -
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I have just seen the same thing now .. happening in Isaziwa .... :(
All chars are the same age, in the same ship ... Bouncing the hauler around certainly mucks them up! :P
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.17 16:54:00 -
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what about suicide kessying their haulers? not sure if that got nerfed with the missile changes though....
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.17 17:45:00 -
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Petitioning does work me and 2 of my friends founds macro miners mining in jita a gm showed up and watched them cloaked.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.08.17 18:13:00 -
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should not be a crime to macro mine, should actually be a game feature to take ore out of ur cargo to the jet can
i assume everone and his dog that owns a large barge does it
i spend 90% of my time in pvp and am pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive
those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items
well thats my view
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phillip duncan
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Posted - 2005.08.17 18:15:00 -
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Two related idea's have just pop in to my head that CCP my already be doing.
idea 1:
CCP create or reuse event characters (so they have bene arround for a bit) to try and buy ISK, followed by hitting the sellers account with the ban bat.
Idea 2: CCP to set some honey traps for the buyers followed by the ban bat.
I am sure some of the CEO's would invite the CCP characters into there corps to help deal with this problem if they wanted to make them look more realistic.
I am sure so players (especially Carebare miners) will be willing to hunting of the sales and maintaining the honey pots, after all it will give us something to do while we mine plus give use more roids to strip!
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Len SaiMauni
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Posted - 2005.08.17 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive
those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items
well thats my view
And what a fascinatingly selfish view it is, Gronsak. So you get your ships cheaper due to exploiters. And what about the lonely little noob who's mining his fingers to the bone, trying to make an honest living while the prices of ore all take a swan dive into the crapper because of macro miners? Did that ever cross your mind, or are you so self-absorbed that it hasn't yet occured to you that more player retention is the only way CCP can continue to expand and improve the game you so enjoy playing.
At least try to use apply a little reason to the question--not to mention simple humility--before you open your cakehole.
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Vydek Daamth
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
should not be a crime to macro mine, should actually be a game feature to take ore out of ur cargo to the jet can
i assume everone and his dog that owns a large barge does it
i spend 90% of my time in pvp and am pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive
those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items
well thats my view
I understand what your saying to a point.
Yes it would make it easier for a miner to have a macro running. Would be even great if CCP could program it in.
Now heres the problem.
You get the people that buy 10+ accounts for the sole purpose to mine and then sell the ore/minerals for isk then sell that for RL money.
Thats what hurts the game...well really that what kills the game.
So the convience of the true player has to be sacrificed because of the people that would abuse it.
Better to keep it outta the game and call it a bannable exploit.
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Lunaticdie04
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Len SaiMauni
Originally by: Gronsak
pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive
those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items
well thats my view
And what a fascinatingly selfish view it is, Gronsak. So you get your ships cheaper due to exploiters. And what about the lonely little noob who's mining his fingers to the bone, trying to make an honest living while the prices of ore all take a swan dive into the crapper because of macro miners? Did that ever cross your mind, or are you so self-absorbed that it hasn't yet occured to you that more player retention is the only way CCP can continue to expand and improve the game you so enjoy playing.
At least try to use apply a little reason to the question--not to mention simple humility--before you open your cakehole.
You've been in a noob corp for over 2 years Len. Are you an alt, if so why not post with your main. If not then why have you been hiding in a noob corp for over 2 years? Seems a bit suspicious tbh.
And I have mixed feelings about macro miners. They do spoil it for young players just starting out but imagine what it be like without them. Mineral prices would rise, massive inflation, everything would increase in price. Ship and module prices would increase dramatically because they would be so expensive to produce.
Imagine the poor new player then? How would they be able to afford their brand new merlin, or whatever, and kit it out. Then loosing it would be even worse. In fact I doubt new players would even risk using their ships cause they were so expensive to get in the 1st place and I doubt insurance would cover the loss. Just like the payouts from interceptor insurance.
Also what about PVP. It would probably die. Only the bit mega corps who can afford everything in the EVE universe and then some would actually bother. Small corps wouldn't want to risk it. PVP hardly pays anything (except maybe the odd rare module in a loot can). Ask anyone.
What about new players wanting to become manufacturers. From the forums it seems already hard enough as it is but what if mineral prices went up. New manufacturers wouldn't get anywhere until their skills are at high levels.
The only real people profiting would be miners.
I'm sure after a while things would balance out, but not after a bit of input from the devs. Rat bountys going up, agent payouts increasing, new insurance payouts etc. So before you start opening your cakehole and flaming maybe you should think a bit more.
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Vydek Daamth
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:16:00 -
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Okay guys I think you have a big misconception on how many people are macro mining.
There out there yes. But they are out numbered by true miners I'd say by an easy 30-1 (just a guess of course).
I would guess that about 1/2 the miners out there are second and third accounts of peoples mains. Who are mining for personal use or their corps NOT to sell on an out of game site.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.08.18 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
should not be a crime to macro mine, should actually be a game feature to take ore out of ur cargo to the jet can
i assume everone and his dog that owns a large barge does it
i spend 90% of my time in pvp and am pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive
those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items
well thats my view
And the problem with it is that you haven't thought it through or don't know enough about macros to truly understand the problem.
A macro to just move ore from hold to container isn't the real problem. All it does is save the player from RSI and perhaps allow them to do something else to alleviate the boredom. As long as the player remains at the computer or at least checking up on it every few minutes there's little harm done.
The real problem is that macros can do a lot more than that. A macro can be a computer program and that means it can make decisions and, basically, operate Eve without the user being anywhere near the computer for hours at a time.
If no one liked mining then there might be a case for allowing that but there are plenty of people prepared to mine for a living. Those people are being hurt by macro miners emptying belts 23/7. Worse still it makes it practical to earn real life money by playing Eve and that is very dangerous territory because it threatens the dev's control over the economy.
The reason CCP ban all macros is probably because in a lot of cases one thing leads to another and it's better to ban everything rather than try and define at what point a macro becomes unfair to other players.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2005.08.18 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 18/08/2005 10:39:13
No matter what you do, you can never stop macro users permanently, all you can do is remove the incentive to marco.
The only thing that removes incentive to marco is reducing rewards from marcoing.
It has been suggested that ore theives benifit from macroers. Perhaps, but most likely macroers will move onto aspects that are not exploitable by ore theives (E.g Marco hauling, etc), so printing a list of macroers for ore theives to check on is not a long term solution.
The only thing that can work is kessie attacks and various other forms of harrasment, in order to reduce their profits. But then again, you have to be sure that the macroer is not actually an AFK miner.
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Esab
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Posted - 2005.08.18 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
The reason CCP ban all macros is probably because in a lot of cases one thing leads to another and it's better to ban everything rather than try and define at what point a macro becomes unfair to other players.
Absolutly spot on mate.
I for one am well up for going in and suiciding them in kessies etc....I have been involved in a similar operation before but as per usual there was always a lot of hangers on and too few participating. If CCP cant contain it...why cant we?
I realise its not as easy as all that but what other choice do we have if they insist in hiding in noob corps?
I have convod so many of these so called 'non' macro miners and got no response yet they still seem to wangle there way out of it.
Implement something to force them into player corps. If they start whining about war decs then there will be someone out there willing to defend them im sure.
I mean come on its only a game..people choose to play it whatever way suits but I really dont think people should be benefiting in the RW from it.. If you choose to set up multiple accounts and mine all day then thats your choice. Just expect to have to work as hard at defending your assets as the next man has too is all im asking for.
This way if its a 'Macro Miner' they will soon get the message when they come back to find their several 30 mill+ barges are all gone and they are trying to mine in a pod ( not sure what happens if you pod a macro miner...Do they carry on trying to mine in the replacement ship??)
Ok they can keep replacing the gear they lose but not forever.
If they are a legitimate miner then that situation might not even arise but if it does there is alot of ways to deal with the situation.
Dont go screaming 'I cant mine when at war!!!' Because my answer to that is....'Yes you can' War is a hard situation to be in but with organisation and friends you will be suprised what is possible...I know ive been there..done that etc etc.
SUMMARY
Get suspected Macro Miners out of noob corps.....Let the citizens of EvE deal with them .
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.08.18 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Esab
I for one am well up for going in and suiciding them in kessies etc....
That is probably why a lot of the Macromining Smegheads(tm) now run around in Megas 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.18 17:19:00 -
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how about above a certain number of SP, players arent allowed to be in noobcorps anymore? If their inbetween corps, their allowed to be unemployed. However redesign the war system so you can wardec unemployed individuals. Similar to how you cant just wardec a corp thats in alliance, you have to wardec the whole alliance. This would just be moving stuff further down the chain.
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Waldo Barnstormer
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Posted - 2005.08.18 17:39:00 -
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It'd be nice if there was something to force a player to eject from their ship. Maybe a 'player1 is trying to force you to eject from your ship. Press Stop to prevent this' and give a 2-3 minute timer. Maybe that would work.. However, maybe I'm just being greedy, cause I know where theres a bunch of macro-miners (who have been reported) mostly in Ferox's, and I'd like to steal one. lol
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Nakor Kren
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Posted - 2005.08.18 17:53:00 -
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as for macro miners keeping prices from inflating so high that nubs cant buy anything and pvp dies and other apoliptic garbage, think about this:
ok, all the macro miners mysteriously vanish, prices for trit hits 10isk per unit, pye is 50, and so on.... and EVERYONE in the game will rush to mine. so there's no way you can say that removing macro miners would hurt the economy, it is self balencing.
besides if prices got that high i'd just buy mods from npcs and reprocess them for the minerals, and resell the minerals.
Check out my idea for a stock market
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Waldo Barnstormer
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Posted - 2005.08.18 17:59:00 -
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If the prices were to inflate to a crazy point because macro-miners have been removed.. whats to stop CCP flooding the market with NPC sales of trit and pye to even the balance?
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.08.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri
See, this is exactly the reason why CCP allows Empire wars to take place. If you live and depend on the rocks in a certain region, and some guy comes along, sucks down every rock and disrupts your operation, you can warDec, and make them pay out the ass, but this whole system is subverted by allowing people to live their entire career in NPC corps.
yeah, saw what I now realise was a macro mining operation in scolluzer today. They were all in NPC corps.
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Driven
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Posted - 2005.08.18 19:15:00 -
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Two ways to bring macromining to a screeching halt:
1) Put rats in .9's and 1.0's including ice belts
2) After two months of game time all players must be in a player corp from then on.
For all of the proclamations that the game must be fairplay and all and no one should be allowed to exploit for undue advantage, this must be addressed.
With CCP opening the game up to China, they better frikkin do something about it now, or you can be damned sure that there will be macromining chinese farming that makes todays tacitly endorsed abuse look like chump change.
This isn't frikkin hard to govern if the powers that be have the stomach to put simple rules in place to allow it to be stamped out. I for one would love nothing better than to war dec some of these cheaters, if only CCP would allow game mechanics to do it.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:10:00 -
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I have petitioned macrominers (obvious macrominers) and I still see them to this day.
Well in a way would you want to kill 20-30 paying accounts ??
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Nakor Kren
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:23:00 -
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the problem with making people required to be in a non-npc corp is that the macro miners will just make a macromining corp ^_^ or 10 of them, it's cheap in isk to make a corp, and they're in it for the money irl anyway, so....
Check out my idea for a stock market
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:31:00 -
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I've seen some flicks about them, and they seem to use newb ships sometimes too. So I guess a free for all on them wouldn't help.
But how about putting a permanent criminal tag on those in bigger ships?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX
I have petitioned macrominers (obvious macrominers) and I still see them to this day.
Well in a way would you want to kill 20-30 paying accounts ??
I don't know about anyone else, but whenever I see a news item on MMORPG.com about some game developer banning people for abuse and exploiting, I raise a glass to them in my head.
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Driven
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nakor Kren
the problem with making people required to be in a non-npc corp is that the macro miners will just make a macromining corp ^_^ or 10 of them, it's cheap in isk to make a corp, and they're in it for the money irl anyway, so....
if they made a macrominer corp, and then people who object to their cheating were allowed to war dec them in their macrominer corps, they'll have a much harder time macro mining in their pods......not to mention the cost of new clones.
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