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Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 06:51:00 - [1] Was poking about today in khanid and found a nice little group of miners in an off the track system...Strange thing is i noticed an odd thing. All ten had simalar names to them. And the all moved like clock work. I watched them move about for about 5 to 10 minutes. And laughed as it had its own macro industrial. So I get to figuring... "HOW DO I PWN THESE PLOITERS!!!!" Obviously being the Concord pilot i am I start to think out of the box. So i brought my crow about after giving up in frustration and RAMMED THEM! I watched with glee as the Barge spun around in circles in place. And an Idea struck. So i hit the MWD and slammed into each one of them at 3.6km/s and even timed it right to nail the hauler as it was insta inbound. It took a few minutes but one by one the miners deactivated and i think i screwed up the haulers. Anyways to the point. If anyone sees these vile beast! Mess up thier day until CCP can pwn them for us! -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 06:51:00 - [2] Was poking about today in khanid and found a nice little group of miners in an off the track system...Strange thing is i noticed an odd thing. All ten had simalar names to them. And the all moved like clock work. I watched them move about for about 5 to 10 minutes. And laughed as it had its own macro industrial. So I get to figuring... "HOW DO I PWN THESE PLOITERS!!!!" Obviously being the Concord pilot i am I start to think out of the box. So i brought my crow about after giving up in frustration and RAMMED THEM! I watched with glee as the Barge spun around in circles in place. And an Idea struck. So i hit the MWD and slammed into each one of them at 3.6km/s and even timed it right to nail the hauler as it was insta inbound. It took a few minutes but one by one the miners deactivated and i think i screwed up the haulers. Anyways to the point. If anyone sees these vile beast! Mess up thier day until CCP can pwn them for us! -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.17 06:52:00 - [3] Did you petition as well? I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.


Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.17 06:52:00 - [4] Did you petition as well? I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Eris Discordia Did you petition as well? Does that actually help? I have petioned for such before, and get the nice reply of "we are looking into it" but I see them/him/macro, whatever, still mining". Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Eris Discordia Did you petition as well? Does that actually help? I have petioned for such before, and get the nice reply of "we are looking into it" but I see them/him/macro, whatever, still mining". Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Ly'sol Was poking about today in khanid and found a nice little group of miners in an off the track system...Strange thing is i noticed an odd thing. All ten had simalar names to them. And the all moved like clock work. I watched them move about for about 5 to 10 minutes. And laughed as it had its own macro industrial. So I get to figuring... "HOW DO I PWN THESE PLOITERS!!!!" Obviously being the Concord pilot i am I start to think out of the box. So i brought my crow about after giving up in frustration and RAMMED THEM! I watched with glee as the Barge spun around in circles in place. And an Idea struck. So i hit the MWD and slammed into each one of them at 3.6km/s and even timed it right to nail the hauler as it was insta inbound. It took a few minutes but one by one the miners deactivated and i think i screwed up the haulers. Anyways to the point. If anyone sees these vile beast! Mess up thier day until CCP can pwn them for us! The correct ship to use in this case is a Bumpageddon -- Proud member of the [23]. Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Ly'sol Was poking about today in khanid and found a nice little group of miners in an off the track system...Strange thing is i noticed an odd thing. All ten had simalar names to them. And the all moved like clock work. I watched them move about for about 5 to 10 minutes. And laughed as it had its own macro industrial. So I get to figuring... "HOW DO I PWN THESE PLOITERS!!!!" Obviously being the Concord pilot i am I start to think out of the box. So i brought my crow about after giving up in frustration and RAMMED THEM! I watched with glee as the Barge spun around in circles in place. And an Idea struck. So i hit the MWD and slammed into each one of them at 3.6km/s and even timed it right to nail the hauler as it was insta inbound. It took a few minutes but one by one the miners deactivated and i think i screwed up the haulers. Anyways to the point. If anyone sees these vile beast! Mess up thier day until CCP can pwn them for us! The correct ship to use in this case is a Bumpageddon -- Proud member of the [23]. Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Eris Discordia Did you petition as well? My goddess of Chaos! Bringer of discord! Of course my mistress of mayham! Trusty friend who hates them equally with extreme predjudice sent one in. I didnt as there is no point to send in a repeat. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Eris Discordia Did you petition as well? My goddess of Chaos! Bringer of discord! Of course my mistress of mayham! Trusty friend who hates them equally with extreme predjudice sent one in. I didnt as there is no point to send in a repeat. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:27:00 - [11] wish that bug was still in that you could bump another ship like 158 au. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:27:00 - [12] wish that bug was still in that you could bump another ship like 158 au. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Ly'sol wish that bug was still in that you could bump another ship like 158 au. The bumpageddon video was done only a few days ago. -- Proud member of the [23]. Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Ly'sol wish that bug was still in that you could bump another ship like 158 au. The bumpageddon video was done only a few days ago. -- Proud member of the [23]. Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:30:00 - [15] Ive heard mining the roids that they are mining drives them crazy.
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:30:00 - [16] Ive heard mining the roids that they are mining drives them crazy.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ly'sol wish that bug was still in that you could bump another ship like 158 au. The bumpageddon video was done only a few days ago. Like totally out of the roid field like hundreds of a AU away? -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 07:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ly'sol wish that bug was still in that you could bump another ship like 158 au. The bumpageddon video was done only a few days ago. Like totally out of the roid field like hundreds of a AU away? -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.08.17 08:24:00 - [19] Nah, bumpageddon only knocks them around a few km, prolly near 20 from the looks of it.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.08.17 08:24:00 - [20] Nah, bumpageddon only knocks them around a few km, prolly near 20 from the looks of it.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 08:36:00 - [21] as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.08.17 08:36:00 - [22] as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Nikko Forte	Posted - 2005.08.17 08:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... Yet no one tried to use this to get to the eve-gate? -
Nikko Forte	Posted - 2005.08.17 08:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... Yet no one tried to use this to get to the eve-gate? -
babyblue	Posted - 2005.08.17 09:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... .... Intergalactic snooker. Funny as hell.
babyblue	Posted - 2005.08.17 09:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... .... Intergalactic snooker. Funny as hell.
NefariousNewbie	Posted - 2005.08.17 09:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Nikko Forte Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... Yet no one tried to use this to get to the eve-gate? Unless they've changed it in the last 6 months or so the eve gate is not actually an object in space, but just part of the background scenery. I verified this a while back with a ~500au jump and saw no parallax...so either its 100k+ au away from the system center, or it aint an actual object.
NefariousNewbie	Posted - 2005.08.17 09:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Nikko Forte Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... Yet no one tried to use this to get to the eve-gate? Unless they've changed it in the last 6 months or so the eve gate is not actually an object in space, but just part of the background scenery. I verified this a while back with a ~500au jump and saw no parallax...so either its 100k+ au away from the system center, or it aint an actual object.
Muad 'dib	Posted - 2005.08.17 09:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... You used to be able to warp to a gate after a hauler has just warped, and if you could land right on top of him you could send the hauler so far he could warp back in one jump With a bit of luck you could hit some ships at like 250,000km/s just as you are coming out of warp, that used to make me laff they would rocket off into the distance and quickly go out off the scanner
Muad 'dib	Posted - 2005.08.17 09:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Ly'sol as many of the vets know before when you could stack MWD's. You could take a scorp up to about 100km/s for about 5 seconds and send a ship sailing off into the sunset about about 15 au's away... You used to be able to warp to a gate after a hauler has just warped, and if you could land right on top of him you could send the hauler so far he could warp back in one jump With a bit of luck you could hit some ships at like 250,000km/s just as you are coming out of warp, that used to make me laff they would rocket off into the distance and quickly go out off the scanner
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:30:00 - [31] Its kinda funny this has turned into carebear pvp, bumping these guys all over the place to **** them off. CCP obviously is not trying to do anything (yes iv petitioned many myself it does nothing) so the players have to take back the asteroids on their own. Shame they can't atleast work the macro miners into the storyline atleast.
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:30:00 - [32] Its kinda funny this has turned into carebear pvp, bumping these guys all over the place to **** them off. CCP obviously is not trying to do anything (yes iv petitioned many myself it does nothing) so the players have to take back the asteroids on their own. Shame they can't atleast work the macro miners into the storyline atleast.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:31:00 - [33] Well, if you keep buming them, you mess up their script and GM's won't be able to observe them macro-ing.. [23]
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:31:00 - [34] Well, if you keep buming them, you mess up their script and GM's won't be able to observe them macro-ing.. [23]
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:37:00 - [35] Iv seen a GM in a belt watching a group before and they are still mining today. The problem is its not totally afk macros. Its like 1 person working 20 accts at once, they will respond. So its almost impossable to win this I do understand.
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:37:00 - [36] Iv seen a GM in a belt watching a group before and they are still mining today. The problem is its not totally afk macros. Its like 1 person working 20 accts at once, they will respond. So its almost impossable to win this I do understand.
Yeux Gris	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:48:00 - [37] do what i do.... Take said ores and hold to ransom :P
Yeux Gris	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:48:00 - [38] do what i do.... Take said ores and hold to ransom :P
Hi'Ryan Greetos	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Eris Discordia Did you petition as well? Petition, report -- whats the use anyway? Never bother because they dont listen.
Hi'Ryan Greetos	Posted - 2005.08.17 10:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Eris Discordia Did you petition as well? Petition, report -- whats the use anyway? Never bother because they dont listen.
Esab	Posted - 2005.08.17 11:02:00 - [41] Ive seen this happen myself..if I remember rightly and you suspect someone of macro mining you can steal their ore but only if you petition first. I have also tried the ramming tactic. Be much more simpler if it was impossible to have the protection of a noob corp after a certain amount of time. Yes I know that will annoy some people and start the flames off but ......if you can't do the time...don't commit the crime. No need for anyone to stay in a noob corp for more than a few weeks etc. EvE would be a lot nicer place if people couldn't hide in noob corps all the time and would make it a lot more interesting. Yes new players need shelter to begin with but we all have to go out and face the big wide world at some point dont we? Macro Mining has the potential of crippling the economy in EvE...Its needs to be stopped . And the sooner the better in my opinion.
Esab	Posted - 2005.08.17 11:02:00 - [42] Ive seen this happen myself..if I remember rightly and you suspect someone of macro mining you can steal their ore but only if you petition first. I have also tried the ramming tactic. Be much more simpler if it was impossible to have the protection of a noob corp after a certain amount of time. Yes I know that will annoy some people and start the flames off but ......if you can't do the time...don't commit the crime. No need for anyone to stay in a noob corp for more than a few weeks etc. EvE would be a lot nicer place if people couldn't hide in noob corps all the time and would make it a lot more interesting. Yes new players need shelter to begin with but we all have to go out and face the big wide world at some point dont we? Macro Mining has the potential of crippling the economy in EvE...Its needs to be stopped . And the sooner the better in my opinion.
Phil McAvity	Posted - 2005.08.17 11:03:00 - [43] ahhh joy another MMOG becoming infested with macro-farmers. Stamp it out CCP.
Phil McAvity	Posted - 2005.08.17 11:03:00 - [44] ahhh joy another MMOG becoming infested with macro-farmers. Stamp it out CCP.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.17 12:24:00 - [45] well removing their roid perhaps anyone that sees a macro miner can get onto a channel - lets say other near the missions channel and we could organise groups of strip miners to come along and remove their roids - stuff em up
Esab	Posted - 2005.08.17 12:35:00 - [46] Originally by: sonofollo well removing their roid perhaps anyone that sees a macro miner can get onto a channel - lets say other near the missions channel and we could organise groups of strip miners to come along and remove their roids - stuff em up All the ones Ive seen have been mining ice..
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.17 12:44:00 - [47] ice in high sec ? mmmm im sure enough of us have ice mining skills easy enough to take em out
Sorja	Posted - 2005.08.17 12:54:00 - [48] Don't macrominers help keep the price of minerals low? If 3 ISK for trit can be considered low, of course.
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.08.17 12:59:00 - [49] Quote: Ive seen this happen myself..if I remember rightly and you suspect someone of macro mining you can steal their ore but only if you petition first. I have also tried the ramming tactic. You can steal anyones ore that you want to, afk/macro miner or not. You'll get abuse for it if they arent afk/macro mining though but you certainly dont need to petition to do it.
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.08.17 13:13:00 - [50] Why is it so hard for CCP to ban these guys? They completely annihilated every `roid in Yulai during the night. -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.08.17 13:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Dark Shikari The correct ship to use in this case is a Bumpageddon Hahahahahaha! That's great! ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Esab	Posted - 2005.08.17 13:28:00 - [52] Originally by: lythos miralbar Quote: Ive seen this happen myself..if I remember rightly and you suspect someone of macro mining you can steal their ore but only if you petition first. I have also tried the ramming tactic. You can steal anyones ore that you want to, afk/macro miner or not. You'll get abuse for it if they arent afk/macro mining though but you certainly dont need to petition to do it. Yes true...but if you willingly steal ore from someone you know is macro mining it is considered an exploit..unless you petition first. Then you can steal it without being accused of exploitation.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.08.17 13:34:00 - [53] See, this is exactly the reason why CCP allows Empire wars to take place. If you live and depend on the rocks in a certain region, and some guy comes along, sucks down every rock and disrupts your operation, you can warDec, and make them pay out the ass, but this whole system is subverted by allowing people to live their entire career in NPC corps.
Unknown Subject	Posted - 2005.08.17 13:45:00 - [54] im sure most of us know the names of one or 2 ore thieves. give them a job to do and keep them away from your own ore cans =)
Plymer Ization	Posted - 2005.08.17 14:44:00 - [55] I've been thieving from a group of 10+ macroers in Onga for the last month and a half. I've petitioned them twice, but nothing. So, I just keep stealing as much low-end as I can stuff into my cargo hold. After a while, it tends to make "them" mad and change belts/system or log off, but there are times when you'll warp into a belt and see a single Veld rock left in the entire belt, with two Apocs sitting with all their lasers on it. Makes me mad, since I don't know anyone who would name themselves "bazhe1", "bazhe2", "jiajia", "jiajia2", "qoqoqo" or the like. Seems blatantly obvious that they are macro miners to the extreme. I mean, sure, it's nice to get free ore, but c'mon, it's getting rediculous.
EC Skelton	Posted - 2005.08.17 14:57:00 - [56] With the increase of macro miners the ccp has to be extremely vigilant in making sure that accounts are not being sold over internet auction. Macro miner numbers will be reduced as long as the people trying to make a profit from selling isk on places like eBAY are caught,at least i hope so
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:00:00 - [57] Quote: Yes true...but if you willingly steal ore from someone you know is macro mining it is considered an exploit..unless you petition first. Then you can steal it without being accused of exploitation. hmm yes good point. See what you mean when its put like that. Stops people from not reporting macro miners and just nicking thier minerals for hours and hours. If you dont have to report it then its in the unscrupulas players interests not to.. more personal gain by not reporting and nicking thier minerals for extended periods.
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:04:00 - [58] ps.. anychance ccp can create a forum where people can report sightings of blatantly obvious macro miners?? they can then be targeted by ore theives? not nessecary to give out names in reports, just something like "I was watching a bunch of of macro miners in yulai last night. there were 3 badgers hauling and a load of miners. they were all in a noob corp with almost identical names"
Ulthar	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:09:00 - [59] Originally by: EC Skelton With the increase of macro miners the ccp has to be extremely vigilant in making sure that accounts are not being sold over internet auction. Macro miner numbers will be reduced as long as the people trying to make a profit from selling isk on places like eBAY are caught,at least i hope so What is interesting is that so many websites dedicated to Eve-Online have banner adds from Google advertising sites where you can buy/sell ISK. I think it is very funny when I see a post with a link that has been stickied and the first thing I notice is "Sell your ISK here...brought to you by Google Ads" It is funny, but yet it ticks me off as well. I wish CCP could at least get Google to not accept ads from ISK clearing houses, Google should be sensitive to issues of intellectual property and violations of EULAs and whatnot. The only reason to pay for 10 accounts to macromine is to sell the ISK; at least force the markets underground and out of the sight of most of the players. Ulthar Adopt a Paramilitary today! Support your patriots!
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:15:00 - [60] theres a group in gicodel that I have wondered about for awhile. Have a hard time with 8 covetors mining an ice field every day pretty much all day. Either macroers or really dedicated players.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:19:00 - [61] Originally by: Allen Deckard theres a group in gicodel that I have wondered about for awhile. Have a hard time with 8 covetors mining an ice field every day pretty much all day. Either macroers or really dedicated players. Hmm, I could use some Ice. I think we should start a witch hunt.
capt	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:42:00 - [62] It would be a nice idea if someone made a lil' list of known systems and belts containing macro miners so people eager for ore could farm them. With ccp's permission of course since they are in violation of the EULA.......and only soon(tm) action will be taken against them...
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.08.17 15:49:00 - [63] I like the idea of a channel for identifying macrominers. While I've never had a real major issue with the practice (there are a LOT of belts out there), I also don't like the idea of someone flipping a switch and putting no effort in to acquire ore and isk. I guess the best thing would be to identify them, let people know where they are, petition it, then proceed to make their lives a living hell as best you can. :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Gibri	Posted - 2005.08.17 16:22:00 - [64] First the macro miners destroyed the pyerite market, now the trit market is falling into oblivion people have enough trit now for a long time. CCP is doing nothing about this infestation of macro miners/isk farmers, even well known macro miners like vinson zhang are still left in the game, after a year of petitions from all the miners in luminaire there was nothing done and now hes moved to khanid kingdom and can roam around. Now every system in essence has a squad of these strip mining roids, there numbers close to 100.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.08.17 16:33:00 - [65] Edited by: Quanteeri on 17/08/2005 16:33:21 Off topic, but I petitioned an internet ISK seller yesterday. It made me feel like I was doing something good. I hope I was right.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.08.17 16:35:00 - [66] Edited by: Winterblink on 17/08/2005 16:34:51 Originally by: Quanteeri Edited by: Quanteeri on 17/08/2005 16:33:21 Off topic, but I petitioned an internet ISK seller yesterday. It made me feel like I was doing something good. I hope I was right. If you're right, then a pat on the back to you for taking action. If you're wrong, then a pat on the back to you for taking action. :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Magarbies	Posted - 2005.08.17 16:49:00 - [67] I have just seen the same thing now .. happening in Isaziwa .... :( All chars are the same age, in the same ship ... Bouncing the hauler around certainly mucks them up! :P
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.17 16:54:00 - [68] what about suicide kessying their haulers? not sure if that got nerfed with the missile changes though....
danneh	Posted - 2005.08.17 17:45:00 - [69] Petitioning does work me and 2 of my friends founds macro miners mining in jita a gm showed up and watched them cloaked.
Gronsak	Posted - 2005.08.17 18:13:00 - [70] should not be a crime to macro mine, should actually be a game feature to take ore out of ur cargo to the jet can i assume everone and his dog that owns a large barge does it i spend 90% of my time in pvp and am pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items well thats my view
phillip duncan	Posted - 2005.08.17 18:15:00 - [71] Two related idea's have just pop in to my head that CCP my already be doing. idea 1: CCP create or reuse event characters (so they have bene arround for a bit) to try and buy ISK, followed by hitting the sellers account with the ban bat. Idea 2: CCP to set some honey traps for the buyers followed by the ban bat. I am sure some of the CEO's would invite the CCP characters into there corps to help deal with this problem if they wanted to make them look more realistic. I am sure so players (especially Carebare miners) will be willing to hunting of the sales and maintaining the honey pots, after all it will give us something to do while we mine plus give use more roids to strip!
Len SaiMauni	Posted - 2005.08.17 18:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Gronsak pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items well thats my view And what a fascinatingly selfish view it is, Gronsak. So you get your ships cheaper due to exploiters. And what about the lonely little noob who's mining his fingers to the bone, trying to make an honest living while the prices of ore all take a swan dive into the crapper because of macro miners? Did that ever cross your mind, or are you so self-absorbed that it hasn't yet occured to you that more player retention is the only way CCP can continue to expand and improve the game you so enjoy playing. At least try to use apply a little reason to the question--not to mention simple humility--before you open your cakehole.
Vydek Daamth	Posted - 2005.08.17 19:01:00 - [73] Originally by: Gronsak should not be a crime to macro mine, should actually be a game feature to take ore out of ur cargo to the jet can i assume everone and his dog that owns a large barge does it i spend 90% of my time in pvp and am pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items well thats my view I understand what your saying to a point. Yes it would make it easier for a miner to have a macro running. Would be even great if CCP could program it in. Now heres the problem. You get the people that buy 10+ accounts for the sole purpose to mine and then sell the ore/minerals for isk then sell that for RL money. Thats what hurts the game...well really that what kills the game. So the convience of the true player has to be sacrificed because of the people that would abuse it. Better to keep it outta the game and call it a bannable exploit.
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2005.08.17 19:02:00 - [74] Originally by: Len SaiMauni Originally by: Gronsak pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items well thats my view And what a fascinatingly selfish view it is, Gronsak. So you get your ships cheaper due to exploiters. And what about the lonely little noob who's mining his fingers to the bone, trying to make an honest living while the prices of ore all take a swan dive into the crapper because of macro miners? Did that ever cross your mind, or are you so self-absorbed that it hasn't yet occured to you that more player retention is the only way CCP can continue to expand and improve the game you so enjoy playing. At least try to use apply a little reason to the question--not to mention simple humility--before you open your cakehole. You've been in a noob corp for over 2 years Len. Are you an alt, if so why not post with your main. If not then why have you been hiding in a noob corp for over 2 years? Seems a bit suspicious tbh. And I have mixed feelings about macro miners. They do spoil it for young players just starting out but imagine what it be like without them. Mineral prices would rise, massive inflation, everything would increase in price. Ship and module prices would increase dramatically because they would be so expensive to produce. Imagine the poor new player then? How would they be able to afford their brand new merlin, or whatever, and kit it out. Then loosing it would be even worse. In fact I doubt new players would even risk using their ships cause they were so expensive to get in the 1st place and I doubt insurance would cover the loss. Just like the payouts from interceptor insurance. Also what about PVP. It would probably die. Only the bit mega corps who can afford everything in the EVE universe and then some would actually bother. Small corps wouldn't want to risk it. PVP hardly pays anything (except maybe the odd rare module in a loot can). Ask anyone. What about new players wanting to become manufacturers. From the forums it seems already hard enough as it is but what if mineral prices went up. New manufacturers wouldn't get anywhere until their skills are at high levels. The only real people profiting would be miners. I'm sure after a while things would balance out, but not after a bit of input from the devs. Rat bountys going up, agent payouts increasing, new insurance payouts etc. So before you start opening your cakehole and flaming maybe you should think a bit more.
Vydek Daamth	Posted - 2005.08.17 19:16:00 - [75] Okay guys I think you have a big misconception on how many people are macro mining. There out there yes. But they are out numbered by true miners I'd say by an easy 30-1 (just a guess of course). I would guess that about 1/2 the miners out there are second and third accounts of peoples mains. Who are mining for personal use or their corps NOT to sell on an out of game site.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.08.18 09:50:00 - [76] Originally by: Gronsak should not be a crime to macro mine, should actually be a game feature to take ore out of ur cargo to the jet can i assume everone and his dog that owns a large barge does it i spend 90% of my time in pvp and am pretty sure that the price of minerals would be a lot higher without macro miners thus my ships would be a lot more expensive those macro miners do the game a service, bring in minerals, which are turned into items well thats my view And the problem with it is that you haven't thought it through or don't know enough about macros to truly understand the problem. A macro to just move ore from hold to container isn't the real problem. All it does is save the player from RSI and perhaps allow them to do something else to alleviate the boredom. As long as the player remains at the computer or at least checking up on it every few minutes there's little harm done. The real problem is that macros can do a lot more than that. A macro can be a computer program and that means it can make decisions and, basically, operate Eve without the user being anywhere near the computer for hours at a time. If no one liked mining then there might be a case for allowing that but there are plenty of people prepared to mine for a living. Those people are being hurt by macro miners emptying belts 23/7. Worse still it makes it practical to earn real life money by playing Eve and that is very dangerous territory because it threatens the dev's control over the economy. The reason CCP ban all macros is probably because in a lot of cases one thing leads to another and it's better to ban everything rather than try and define at what point a macro becomes unfair to other players. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Lord WarATron	Posted - 2005.08.18 10:38:00 - [77] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 18/08/2005 10:39:13 No matter what you do, you can never stop macro users permanently, all you can do is remove the incentive to marco. The only thing that removes incentive to marco is reducing rewards from marcoing. It has been suggested that ore theives benifit from macroers. Perhaps, but most likely macroers will move onto aspects that are not exploitable by ore theives (E.g Marco hauling, etc), so printing a list of macroers for ore theives to check on is not a long term solution. The only thing that can work is kessie attacks and various other forms of harrasment, in order to reduce their profits. But then again, you have to be sure that the macroer is not actually an AFK miner.
Esab	Posted - 2005.08.18 10:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Andrue The reason CCP ban all macros is probably because in a lot of cases one thing leads to another and it's better to ban everything rather than try and define at what point a macro becomes unfair to other players. Absolutly spot on mate. I for one am well up for going in and suiciding them in kessies etc....I have been involved in a similar operation before but as per usual there was always a lot of hangers on and too few participating. If CCP cant contain it...why cant we? I realise its not as easy as all that but what other choice do we have if they insist in hiding in noob corps? I have convod so many of these so called 'non' macro miners and got no response yet they still seem to wangle there way out of it. Implement something to force them into player corps. If they start whining about war decs then there will be someone out there willing to defend them im sure. I mean come on its only a game..people choose to play it whatever way suits but I really dont think people should be benefiting in the RW from it.. If you choose to set up multiple accounts and mine all day then thats your choice. Just expect to have to work as hard at defending your assets as the next man has too is all im asking for. This way if its a 'Macro Miner' they will soon get the message when they come back to find their several 30 mill+ barges are all gone and they are trying to mine in a pod ( not sure what happens if you pod a macro miner...Do they carry on trying to mine in the replacement ship??) Ok they can keep replacing the gear they lose but not forever. If they are a legitimate miner then that situation might not even arise but if it does there is alot of ways to deal with the situation. Dont go screaming 'I cant mine when at war!!!' Because my answer to that is....'Yes you can' War is a hard situation to be in but with organisation and friends you will be suprised what is possible...I know ive been there..done that etc etc. SUMMARY Get suspected Macro Miners out of noob corps.....Let the citizens of EvE deal with them .
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.08.18 17:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Esab I for one am well up for going in and suiciding them in kessies etc.... That is probably why a lot of the Macromining Smegheads(tm) now run around in Megas -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.18 17:19:00 - [80] how about above a certain number of SP, players arent allowed to be in noobcorps anymore? If their inbetween corps, their allowed to be unemployed. However redesign the war system so you can wardec unemployed individuals. Similar to how you cant just wardec a corp thats in alliance, you have to wardec the whole alliance. This would just be moving stuff further down the chain.
Waldo Barnstormer	Posted - 2005.08.18 17:39:00 - [81] It'd be nice if there was something to force a player to eject from their ship. Maybe a 'player1 is trying to force you to eject from your ship. Press Stop to prevent this' and give a 2-3 minute timer. Maybe that would work.. However, maybe I'm just being greedy, cause I know where theres a bunch of macro-miners (who have been reported) mostly in Ferox's, and I'd like to steal one. lol
Nakor Kren	Posted - 2005.08.18 17:53:00 - [82] as for macro miners keeping prices from inflating so high that nubs cant buy anything and pvp dies and other apoliptic garbage, think about this: ok, all the macro miners mysteriously vanish, prices for trit hits 10isk per unit, pye is 50, and so on.... and EVERYONE in the game will rush to mine. so there's no way you can say that removing macro miners would hurt the economy, it is self balencing. besides if prices got that high i'd just buy mods from npcs and reprocess them for the minerals, and resell the minerals. Check out my idea for a stock market
Waldo Barnstormer	Posted - 2005.08.18 17:59:00 - [83] If the prices were to inflate to a crazy point because macro-miners have been removed.. whats to stop CCP flooding the market with NPC sales of trit and pye to even the balance?
Tar om	Posted - 2005.08.18 19:05:00 - [84] Originally by: Quanteeri See, this is exactly the reason why CCP allows Empire wars to take place. If you live and depend on the rocks in a certain region, and some guy comes along, sucks down every rock and disrupts your operation, you can warDec, and make them pay out the ass, but this whole system is subverted by allowing people to live their entire career in NPC corps. yeah, saw what I now realise was a macro mining operation in scolluzer today. They were all in NPC corps. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Driven	Posted - 2005.08.18 19:15:00 - [85] Two ways to bring macromining to a screeching halt: 1) Put rats in .9's and 1.0's including ice belts 2) After two months of game time all players must be in a player corp from then on. For all of the proclamations that the game must be fairplay and all and no one should be allowed to exploit for undue advantage, this must be addressed. With CCP opening the game up to China, they better frikkin do something about it now, or you can be damned sure that there will be macromining chinese farming that makes todays tacitly endorsed abuse look like chump change. This isn't frikkin hard to govern if the powers that be have the stomach to put simple rules in place to allow it to be stamped out. I for one would love nothing better than to war dec some of these cheaters, if only CCP would allow game mechanics to do it.
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:10:00 - [86] I have petitioned macrominers (obvious macrominers) and I still see them to this day. Well in a way would you want to kill 20-30 paying accounts ??
Nakor Kren	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:23:00 - [87] the problem with making people required to be in a non-npc corp is that the macro miners will just make a macromining corp ^_^ or 10 of them, it's cheap in isk to make a corp, and they're in it for the money irl anyway, so.... Check out my idea for a stock market
Chepe Nolon	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:31:00 - [88] I've seen some flicks about them, and they seem to use newb ships sometimes too. So I guess a free for all on them wouldn't help. But how about putting a permanent criminal tag on those in bigger ships?
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:32:00 - [89] Originally by: HUGO DRAX I have petitioned macrominers (obvious macrominers) and I still see them to this day. Well in a way would you want to kill 20-30 paying accounts ?? I don't know about anyone else, but whenever I see a news item on MMORPG.com about some game developer banning people for abuse and exploiting, I raise a glass to them in my head. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Driven	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:40:00 - [90] Originally by: Nakor Kren the problem with making people required to be in a non-npc corp is that the macro miners will just make a macromining corp ^_^ or 10 of them, it's cheap in isk to make a corp, and they're in it for the money irl anyway, so.... if they made a macrominer corp, and then people who object to their cheating were allowed to war dec them in their macrominer corps, they'll have a much harder time macro mining in their pods......not to mention the cost of new clones.
Yazzen	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:40:00 - [91] with everyone accuseing people of macromining... whats to say that they just gone afk to get a cup of coffee before the cargo became full?
MadJackMcJones	Posted - 2005.08.18 20:52:00 - [92] Originally by: Yazzen with everyone accuseing people of macromining... whats to say that they just gone afk to get a cup of coffee before the cargo became full? Say, that's dangerous thinking there Jimmy. You best keep your mind on your work.
The Shadowlord	Posted - 2005.08.18 21:11:00 - [93] I laugh at people who petition "macroers" because they see a group of 10 ships all with similiar names. Lol... Do you REALLY think a true macro runner is gonna bring that much attention to themselves by having all 10 toons using the same name? PLUS...to run a good macro dont you need a seperate computer for each account? That being said, if you see 10 people names "JoJo1" through "JoJo10"...do you REALLY think they have 10 PC's at home runnging macors to mine veld? And to note,the idea that macros are killing the market is silly. Mineral prices have been rather steady for the last 2 years wth a spike or dip here and there but generally steady none the less. Honestly, the whole concept of petitioning macros or people you THINK MIGHT be selling on Ebay is pure selfishness. People are just ****ed that some people have it easier I think...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.18 21:28:00 - [94] Originally by: The Shadowlord I laugh at people who petition "macroers" because they see a group of 10 ships all with similiar names. Lol... Do you REALLY think a true macro runner is gonna bring that much attention to themselves by having all 10 toons using the same name? PLUS...to run a good macro dont you need a seperate computer for each account? That being said, if you see 10 people names "JoJo1" through "JoJo10"...do you REALLY think they have 10 PC's at home runnging macors to mine veld? And to note,the idea that macros are killing the market is silly. Mineral prices have been rather steady for the last 2 years wth a spike or dip here and there but generally steady none the less. Honestly, the whole concept of petitioning macros or people you THINK MIGHT be selling on Ebay is pure selfishness. People are just ****ed that some people have it easier I think... You can run 10 clients. I've done 4 or 5 on one mid-end machine. -- Proud member of the [23]. Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Koda	Posted - 2005.08.18 21:49:00 - [95] Originally by: The Shadowlord I laugh at people who petition "macroers" because they see a group of 10 ships all with similiar names. Lol... Do you REALLY think a true macro runner is gonna bring that much attention to themselves by having all 10 toons using the same name? PLUS...to run a good macro dont you need a seperate computer for each account? That being said, if you see 10 people names "JoJo1" through "JoJo10"...do you REALLY think they have 10 PC's at home runnging macors to mine veld? And to note,the idea that macros are killing the market is silly. Mineral prices have been rather steady for the last 2 years wth a spike or dip here and there but generally steady none the less. Honestly, the whole concept of petitioning macros or people you THINK MIGHT be selling on Ebay is pure selfishness. People are just ****ed that some people have it easier I think... What about objecting to sharing the game with greedy automatons who blatantly violate game rules? -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2005.08.18 21:54:00 - [96] Originally by: Serpensis Why is it so hard for CCP to ban these guys? They completely annihilated every `roid in Yulai during the night. 30 accounts x $14.95 a month = $248.50 Money talks Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
The Shadowlord	Posted - 2005.08.18 22:08:00 - [97] 10 clients yes...but each client would need a seperate PC to run a macro of this scale. And I am much less concerned about CCP spending its time to find ways to ban macroers then I am fixing the bugs we have day to day.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.08.19 00:01:00 - [98] Originally by: Discorporation Well, if you keep buming them, you mess up their script and GM's won't be able to observe them macro-ing.. coughs Go Disco :P "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.08.19 00:08:00 - [99] Originally by: lythos miralbar ps.. anychance ccp can create a forum where people can report sightings of blatantly obvious macro miners?? they can then be targeted by ore theives? not nessecary to give out names in reports, just something like "I was watching a bunch of of macro miners in yulai last night. there were 3 badgers hauling and a load of miners. they were all in a noob corp with almost identical names" Chat channel "tookurstuff". And phillip duncan, there are legal issues related to that kind of thing. It's not something companies generally want to step into. Compared to many games, the market for Eve goods is pretty small too (thanks to the NATURE of the game). "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Crass Spektakel	Posted - 2005.08.19 00:13:00 - [100] Considering the recent skyrocking of the low-mineral-prices I would say without macro-miners the eve-economy would collapse very fast. I don't macro-mine, I do only very rarely mine (I don't even have acceptable miningskills). But I have to buy minerals for 500mio-1000mio per month and the market is sometimes empty like mad. Minerals are getting rare lately. And there is an easy explanation: In the early time of Eve the only thing you could do was... mining. So everyone mined to get some bucks. Which means a lot of stuff hit the market. Prices were always reasonable. Nowadays... people go ratting, mine ice, run POS, run agents.... and maybe sometimes mine. I think while earlier 50% of all playtime was mining nowadays its more like 5% of all time. And the macro-miners being the majority of the few remaining miners. Well, one could argue that we now have better equipment. I don't buy that though. An old Apo+8xMiner2+10xHarvesters mined around 900m¦/min. A high-end Barque mines twice that amount. But this doesn't compensate for the lost numbers of miners. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
Aralin Desentris	Posted - 2005.08.19 00:55:00 - [101] Just a point to those who are suggesting that players should be forced into " Player corps " after a certain length of time , or skill point lvl . or removed from NPC corps so they can be wardec . I'm in an NPC corp . i have been for months , and tbh i'm fine there . I spend my time mining , manufacturing and selling excess minerals on the market . I don't have very good gunnery / fighting skills , because of my chosen profession . Now if i was forced to join a " Player Corp " ,or to be non-corped and allowed to be wardec on , it would then be forcing me into PvP at some point , and also forcing me to change how i play my char . I have no wish to PvP , i have fun doing my manufacturing , running missions and rat hunting . One of the things i like about EVE is you can do pretty much anything you want , if you want pvp , you go to low sec or join a player corp and have wars . If you don't want PvP , you stay in empire and in NPC corps . So , in essence what your asking for is the whole " non pvp " aspect of the game to be removed ( dependant on char age or skill point lvl ) . Now to me , that isn't what EVE is about .
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.08.19 01:10:00 - [102] That's called a "level playing field". Welcome to it. IMO? Stop skill gain at 2 mil in a NPC corp. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Ricdic	Posted - 2005.08.19 02:02:00 - [103] Originally by: DonTrump Iv seen a GM in a belt watching a group before and they are still mining today. The problem is its not totally afk macros. Its like 1 person working 20 accts at once, they will respond. So its almost impossable to win this I do understand. I dont see how this is a problem. If a person can afford 20 accounts, he has every right to use them all to their full potential. Of course, his replies would be few and far between, as he would be running between each computer, to set up the next. Plus i bet they are only mining ice. To mine regular ore would be a pain in the ass with 20 accounts. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Elisse DuBane	Posted - 2005.08.19 02:35:00 - [104] Originally by: Maya Rkell That's called a "level playing field". Welcome to it. IMO? Stop skill gain at 2 mil in a NPC corp. Well Rats to your way of thinking. I am, and have been, in an NPC Corp for a year. I dont spy, I don't interfere in any PvP...mostly. I help New Players..is that a crime? Doing that for most of my EvE time and adding to our numbers in what must be admitted is, as yet, a niche game Who on earth are you to say I 'have' to do what you are proposing? Leave us alone and get your rocks off doing your PvP Macho thing if you want to...its not like its hard to kill an Indie..and to my mind its the cost of production to lose one..acceptable. I do so hate that y'all think I have to play the game your way
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.08.19 03:07:00 - [105] No, but I kill AF's in an interceptor. Which IS hard. It's a matter of balancing, and the exploit potentials of people staying in newb corps is MASSIVE. Nuts to people dodging wardecs by being in newbcorps. PS, 54,000 players is NOT really niche. It's more than a lot of MMO's you might have heard of...Shadowbane, Asheron's Call, Planetside... "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.08.19 03:18:00 - [106] Originally by: Maya Rkell It's a matter of balancing, and the exploit potentials of people staying in newb corps is MASSIVE. Greater than the potential of exploiting 1001 other things in the game? eg: alt chars. Compared with the other crap in game, being able to join a new corp to avoid war is minor tbh. Bigger things need to be addressed long before this.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.08.19 03:27:00 - [107] Says the Imperium Pilot. Not surprised. I view this as a MAJOR issue, which breaks the risk/reward nature of Eve. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.08.19 03:37:00 - [108] Originally by: Maya Rkell Says the Imperium Pilot. Not surprised. Yes, because this is a discussion about Imperium, not about macro miners... right? Originally by: Maya Rkell I view this as a MAJOR issue, which breaks the risk/reward nature of Eve. Yes, it breaks the risk/reward factor far far more than the use of alt characters, doesnt it? Id give you a cluepon, but youre not worth being banned over.
Celes Tial	Posted - 2005.08.19 09:53:00 - [109] Edited by: Celes Tial on 19/08/2005 09:54:16 Originally by: The Shadowlord Do you REALLY think a true macro runner is gonna bring that much attention to themselves by having all 10 toons using the same name? PLUS...to run a good macro dont you need a seperate computer for each account? A lot of them do it, dont ask me why. And yes, I talked to 'true' macroers who fully admitted it in another game. Basically, they do it when they know they can get away with it. They can just claim they are 10 friends who like to appear similar, etc. Originally by: The Shadowlord That being said, if you see 10 people names "JoJo1" through "JoJo10"...do you REALLY think they have 10 PC's at home runnging macors to mine veld? Asian macro farming companies do. They have a whole bunch of computers, multiple accounts, and often dozens of employees who take turns. Lets assume a small company just earns 1000$ a month through selling ISK for real cash... thats a lot of money in China. Very profitable for them. Did you know that some Korean internet cafes dont make players pay in real money for the time they spend playing? They actually charge ingame money and items earned during the time the internet cafe PC was in use. Originally by: The Shadowlord Honestly, the whole concept of petitioning macros or people you THINK MIGHT be selling on Ebay is pure selfishness. People are just ****ed that some people have it easier I think... Easier? How about unfair. I cant compete with companies running miners on 15 computers to strip entire belts. I should be able to enjoy the game the way it was meant to be played. I should not need to look for niches the macroers have overlooked / not discovered.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2005.08.19 10:26:00 - [110] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 19/08/2005 10:27:10 What CCP need to do is improve mining to a point where you can't just automate it with a simple macro. If mining wasn't as ridiculously easy and simple as it is, macros wouldn't be a problem in the first place. It doesn't have anything to do with newbiecorps or whatever. The entire mining system is completely static. That's why we have macro miners. Mai's Idealog
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.08.19 11:05:00 - [111] Originally by: MaiLina KaTar Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 19/08/2005 10:27:10 What CCP need to do is improve mining to a point where you can't just automate it with a simple macro. If mining wasn't as ridiculously easy and simple as it is, macros wouldn't be a problem in the first place. It doesn't have anything to do with newbiecorps or whatever. The entire mining system is completely static. That's why we have macro miners. I like this idea very much. It gives me hope that CCP has thought of this too and is about to announce they are working on a new system (wishful thinking )
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.19 11:18:00 - [112] i think the current system is fine a few points Mostly they would use trial accounts - the amount of minerals being mined is very small and therefore not a real ingame market hit Its still wrong i agree - but i think the current player reporting system - where CCP should according to them remove all macro accounts is the way to go. If u see what u think is a marco miner what we need is a channel (this could cover afk miners using haulers - which i think is ok as the player is still around and when the roid goes pop - its the same as going to the loo while youre ship goes 20 jumps through empire yuore semi afk) Its when they are using automated Software to run said mining that its wrong - what we need is a mining pirate channel - perhaps we could have some bored palyers in empire - reports could be sent where they see at least afk miners go and pop their roid. - u can sit there for 2 hours till they come back - and then they are like wtf where did my roid go oh no 2 hours wasted hehe Other option is more strip miners in empire systems (real players) strip out all that trit etc and boost the supply side of the market lol. As long as CCP tackle all these nasty illegal activities according to the EULA then i think thats a good thing. the other thing is banning all trial accoutns to asia (china at least) would mean that players would have to pay to play which might lessen the chances of other activities happening
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2005.08.19 11:30:00 - [113] Originally by: Driven Two ways to bring macromining to a screeching halt: 1) Put rats in .9's and 1.0's including ice belts 2) After two months of game time all players must be in a player corp from then on. Being a miner of sorts....got to say I agree with both those ideas. Sick to death of macro miners. Kill em...kill em all NOW
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.19 11:32:00 - [114] well boot em outo f the game - that said a group of bored mining pros in empire roaming around nd creating their own channel or anti marco mining corp lol could travel around and pop all the roids where these and afk miners are situated. Also mining those systems where there are more than 100 players in the system on average - need to get those carebears out into other areas and if all the roids vanish then they will be foreced to move for mining :)
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.08.19 11:33:00 - [115] Originally by: sonofollo i think the current system is fine a few points Mostly they would use trial accounts - the amount of minerals being mined is very small and therefore not a real ingame market hit Its still wrong i agree - but i think the current player reporting system - where CCP should according to them remove all macro accounts is the way to go. If u see what u think is a marco miner what we need is a channel (this could cover afk miners using haulers - which i think is ok as the player is still around and when the roid goes pop - its the same as going to the loo while youre ship goes 20 jumps through empire yuore semi afk) Its when they are using automated Software to run said mining that its wrong - what we need is a mining pirate channel - perhaps we could have some bored palyers in empire - reports could be sent where they see at least afk miners go and pop their roid. - u can sit there for 2 hours till they come back - and then they are like wtf where did my roid go oh no 2 hours wasted hehe Other option is more strip miners in empire systems (real players) strip out all that trit etc and boost the supply side of the market lol. As long as CCP tackle all these nasty illegal activities according to the EULA then i think thats a good thing. the other thing is banning all trial accoutns to asia (china at least) would mean that players would have to pay to play which might lessen the chances of other activities happening The largest group that I know of 75+accts does not just use trial accts. Accts are way over the trial period. They use barges/battleships (megas/doms/apocs/geddons)/and a crapload of iteron 5's and other haulers. They keep starting more accts that mine in frig then cruiser groups and graduate up the chain of ships untill fully ready for a barge/BS/indy. This one group alone is paying CCP atleast 1000$ a month to run their biz not play Eve. All kind of bad thoughts start when you really think about that.
ladylex	Posted - 2005.08.19 13:54:00 - [116] I own three accounts, all able to mine with covetors and use Iteron V's. I sit in belts for 12 hours at a time bustin' rocks (yes I know I'm sick but I can't help it). I deploy two covetors and a V (because of the ore thiefs) and do the can shuffle. I have a little timer that goes "ding" every three minutes, or 7.5 minutes for ice. I click/drag, then think about how close I am to carpel tunnel, target and activate as necessary, and go back to my program, movie, book etc. If the hauler is full, I insta. There are five other people that have about the same setup, and we often partner. People are constantly harrassing me by bumping me, typing obscenities in local, convo requesting, screaming "OMFG THERE'S A MOCROER IN X-XX..." etc. I never react, or talk, or ***** or do anything that seperates me from a macro. Why? Because it's none of their business what I'm doing and it's rude, self-centered and arrogant to stick their nose in my business. If they ask me "lady, how's your day?", "what a nice pair of covetors", "can you help me with something?" or any of a billion questions that prove that you a bit civilized I'm pleased to respond IF I HAVE THE TIME. It takes a lot to run three mining accounts...local is usually minimized and blinking. GM's have convoed me out of the blue, never to ask if I'm macroing, but probably was on their mind. So they are watching. For those of you trying to justify or at least "grey area" macros, there is only one adult answer - It is wrong because the people in charge say it is. It's not because it will ruin/help the market, or theres plenty/none left for me, or the chinese are coming...everyone agrees not to do it when clicking the box. If we are too lazy/busy/excited to get the game rolling to read the EULA then it's still wrong. But don't assume your method of identifying a macro camp makes you the judge/jury/executioner...it just ain't so.
Confession Time	Posted - 2005.08.19 18:16:00 - [117] Quote: People are constantly harrassing me by bumping me, typing obscenities in local, convo requesting, screaming "OMFG THERE'S A MOCROER IN X-XX..." etc. I never react, or talk, or *** or do anything that seperates me from a macro. Why? Because it's none of their business what I'm doing and it's rude, self-centered and arrogant to stick their nose in my business. There is your problem, just say hi or SOMETHING to prove to others your not a macro arse. Too good to talk to others in the game? DONT play an MMO then. Quote: I laugh at people who petition "macroers" because they see a group of 10 ships all with similiar names. Lol... If you even have a clue as how some macros work, there are MANY reasons why the names are close. Its the 1 thing macro hunters look for first. Quote: Do you REALLY think a true macro runner is gonna bring that much attention to themselves by having all 10 toons using the same name? PLUS...to run a good macro dont you need a seperate computer for each account? "Most" of the macro users ALSO have or are usuing the same macro in other games. Hence, they set the game up as much as possible to thier macro. Why? so they dont need to spend alot of time reconfigging the macro itself. Remember the heavy duty macro ebayers are not just doing it in this game. BTW i have atm 35 high end computers (duals, Quads ), "IF" i wanted too, i could run EASY 10 accounts on each WITH macro's running. Thats 350 toons macro mining. What kind of damage do you think that would do? Not only to the economy, but new players as well? Quote:** And to note,the idea that macros are killing the market is silly. Mineral prices have been rather steady for the last 2 years wth a spike or dip here and there but generally steady none the less. Are you for real? Ever play Evermacro, err evercamp, hold on ill get it right, ahhhh everquest? The economy was totally trashed by macros AND campers. That is also all you will find in EQ2, all the ebayers. To SOE Money is GOD, hence they dont care. CCP claims they ban macro / ebayers as they find proof. But sometimes i still think the $$$ gets in the way. I play the game to have fun, Sure im into EVE heavy. I have 4 accounts, each one has a miner on it too. But Im at my pc running all 4. Sick maybe, no life prolly, but I personaly find it fun just to keep up. lol Now for the interesting part. I cancelled subs in other games for this same reason of Macro / Ebay stuff. Would CCP rather lose the occasional 2-4 accounts? Or Ban the 10 - 30 + macro accounts and keep the loyal players? Just seen another thread, so went to look. EVE Radio site has a very nice Google add with not with 2 advertisements for Buying/selling ISK. WTF is that? Are they also true Morons to let that stuff on thier site? cough wonders how they give away all those goodies Cough /emote Sits and Waits to edited ....... ...Bless me Father, for i have sinned.... BIG _______ TIME!!! Saving your soul, One confession at a time, will blackmail you later
Thor Darkwing	Posted - 2005.08.19 18:33:00 - [118] This is how i handle macrominers in himatar region 1. get a hauler and steal their ore 2. Get your bumpgeddon and screw them over. 3. repeat after some hours
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.08.19 18:43:00 - [119] Originally by: Nakor Kren the problem with making people required to be in a non-npc corp is that the macro miners will just make a macromining corp ^_^ or 10 of them, it's cheap in isk to make a corp, and they're in it for the money irl anyway, so.... Thinking just maaaaaybe they might, possibly get wardecc'd there Nakor.
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.08.19 19:20:00 - [120] Originally by: Crass Spektakel Considering the recent skyrocking of the low-mineral-prices I would say without macro-miners the eve-economy would collapse very fast. I don't macro-mine, I do only very rarely mine (I don't even have acceptable miningskills). But I have to buy minerals for 500mio-1000mio per month and the market is sometimes empty like mad. Minerals are getting rare lately. And there is an easy explanation: In the early time of Eve the only thing you could do was... mining. So everyone mined to get some bucks. Which means a lot of stuff hit the market. Prices were always reasonable. Nowadays... people go ratting, mine ice, run POS, run agents.... and maybe sometimes mine. I think while earlier 50% of all playtime was mining nowadays its more like 5% of all time. And the macro-miners being the majority of the few remaining miners. I think the inflation has more to do with the isk being bought for real money. So in a matter of speaking, macro miners actually are creating the problem, not from flooding the market with a surplus of minerals, but from the players who buy the isk off of ebay; RL money lessens the value of in-game money.
the animator	Posted - 2005.08.22 11:17:00 - [121] Edited by: the animator on 22/08/2005 11:20:49 I had my little play today b4 DT i also noticed we had 8-10 ships macro-ing, so i of course petitioned against them, and then started to haul myself a litle bit of their/my ORE :P i only managed to get 100k M3 worth of ORE about 8 trips, b4 DT got to me and B4 they automatically docked intime for DT, and surely if they wasnt macros, and someone came in a hauler and stole your ORE then you'd have said something in local, well its free ORE for me :P
Matthew	Posted - 2005.08.22 11:45:00 - [122] Originally by: Confession Time There is your problem, just say hi or SOMETHING to prove to others your not a macro arse. Too good to talk to others in the game? DONT play an MMO then. Why should somebody have to respond? Just because it's a MMO doesn't mean people have the right to demand a response from people. If that was the case then there wouldn't be the option to block people. It's important to remember that the right to free speech does not include the right to have people actually listen to you I know a lot of people that pay very little attention to local at all. It's not that they're being rude or stuck-up, it's just that they have other channels to be chatting in, other things to do, and the majority of the time the garbage that goes through local isn't worth reading. Originally by: the animator and surely if they wasnt macros, and someone came in a hauler and stole your ORE then you'd have said something in local Not necessarily. They may not say anything in local because they know there is nothing they can do anyway. They may also not want to alert competing miners, in the hope they'll suffer losses too. Quite a few ore thieves steal ore more to provoke a reaction and get a new "annoyed miner" quote than the actual value of the ore. Staying silent denies them that. Beware those beyond here, for they cannot see evil.
Sarunn	Posted - 2005.08.22 12:29:00 - [123] Edited by: Sarunn on 22/08/2005 12:32:07 Originally by: Driven Two ways to bring macromining to a screeching halt: 1) Put rats in .9's and 1.0's including ice belts 2) After two months of game time all players must be in a player corp from then on. Actually, I saw a group of macro'ers in a .8 and they even had a macro protector frigate killing rats (or someone who refused to talk and didn't seem to care that we bumped them around and took their ore). A few of us spent hours over a period of two days bumping around and trying to talk to them, 31 macro'ers in 3 systems. I reported all info in petitions and got the same "we'll check on it" response. After several hours one person started to respond when so many of us were convo'ing him. At first we thought it was even macro chat because his responses were so wierd and didn't always fit the question asked. Then it changed and seemed that a "real" person came on. Here is one conversation we had. He claimed to have no idea what a macro was, although he later said he saw it for sale on eBay. He also claimed that he and all of his dorm mates had been mining with no sleep for 2 days straight, although he admittedly had no idea people were bumping them, disrupting their mining, some of their ships were killed by rats (and the pods remained in the belts for hours ), or that people were stealing their ore. They're still mining.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.08.22 12:59:00 - [124] Well, it's indeed true that not every massive and continuous op is a macro op. There's of course also the sweatshp type things. Look more like you hit one of thise instead. But, macro or not, if the goal is to ebay then they need handling. It just gets harder, but one person at keyboard for one dollar an hour can ensure that a LOT of accounts get away with this crap.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.22 13:09:00 - [125] Simple solution to this. Ban BS, large and medium barges from 0.8 and higher. This would stuff up a lot of the macroers who don't bother training the skills needed to fend off even lowly rats. Frankly I don't think even proper players should be strip mining starter systems. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.08.22 13:18:00 - [126] Oh, Macro miners are already spread beyond 0.8. They've been reported as low as 0.4 already. It's not like it's hard to leave an armor repairer running is it ?
Matthew	Posted - 2005.08.22 13:58:00 - [127] Originally by: theRaptor Simple solution to this. Ban BS, large and medium barges from 0.8 and higher. This would stuff up a lot of the macroers who don't bother training the skills needed to fend off even lowly rats. Frankly I don't think even proper players should be strip mining starter systems. Ahh, the old "0.9+ systems are for noobs only" argument. Which falls down on the simple fact that they certainly aren't for noobs only at the moment. Unless of course you think it's the noobs putting up buy orders there for 50mill units of trit at a time? The legit miners are there because the big, high-priced buy orders are there. The buy orders are there because the veteran megacorp producers are there. The producers are there because those systems are in a central position. If you really want to keep the very-high-sec systems for the noobs, then they need wholesale changes so that the veterans simply don't want to be there anymore. The single biggest thing that would do this would be to move them off the main travel routes. Beware those beyond here, for they cannot see evil.
Vulkan0	Posted - 2005.08.22 14:12:00 - [128] Hey is it an bannable offense to 'steal' ore from those Macro Miners, me thinks so.Although the person has nothing to do with the Macro Miners?
Matthew	Posted - 2005.08.22 14:19:00 - [129] Originally by: Vulkan0 Hey is it an bannable offense to 'steal' ore from those Macro Miners, me thinks so.Although the person has nothing to do with the Macro Miners? It is a bannable offense to benefit from macro mining. If you steal off macro miners, you are benefiting from macro mining. In practical terms, this seems to translate into you having to petition the macro miner before you steal their ore, though I'm not sure if this is the official position, or just the current discrectionary interpretation of the rules. Beware those beyond here, for they cannot see evil.
Aloris Crow	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:48:00 - [130] I've only ever seen one person I thought was a macro miner, I petitioned it and i've never seen him again (Locked in the vaults of a station in the Polaris sytem, I guess) I would definitely like to see a stop to macro mining, but it's one of those evils that all MMORPGs have to deal with at some point. I trust CCP and am sure they will come up with the right solution to macro miners and macro users in general. As for the people who suggest kicking Players out of newbie corps, I couldn't disagree more. I'm still in a newbie corp after over a year of play and feel no need to join the big bad world of player run corporations. There is a group of several veterans in my newbie corp that have been helping out new players for months. Much the same thing was in place when I was a newbie (I still remember the help I received from Conman back in the day) and I'm proud to carry it on. I know some people hide from retribution in the newbie corps, but I'm certainly not one of them. In my opinion a better idea would be to add a security lvl hit to ore thieves, then set any player who gets a certain negative security level to be booted from newbie corps. I know it's slightly off the point, but I see no reason to boot legit players from newbie corps, as many of us do provide a valuable service to them.
Avon	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:54:00 - [131] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Vulkan0 Hey is it an bannable offense to 'steal' ore from those Macro Miners, me thinks so.Although the person has nothing to do with the Macro Miners? It is a bannable offense to benefit from macro mining. If you steal off macro miners, you are benefiting from macro mining. In practical terms, this seems to translate into you having to petition the macro miner before you steal their ore, though I'm not sure if this is the official position, or just the current discrectionary interpretation of the rules. It is, as far as I know, still the official stance. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:57:00 - [132] Originally by: Vulkan0 Hey is it an bannable offense to 'steal' ore from those Macro Miners, me thinks so.Although the person has nothing to do with the Macro Miners? If you petition them before stealing, it is not. Actually some dev's have commented that they are party grateful to orethieves because they make maco miners miserable and they petition them so often. While it's hard to gather evidence even if you petition the GM's will keep an eye on them. If you steal their ore and not petition you can be warned or banned as well. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

Tar om	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:08:00 - [133] Edited by: Tar om on 22/08/2005 16:08:40 Its not just orethieves that take from macro miners. I've done it myself once because they were cheating. On the other hand I petitioned the group and they they are in Oursulaert 3 days later. Shamengirl and that crowd are at it again. Sickening. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Waldo Barnstormer	Posted - 2005.08.22 18:36:00 - [134] A bunch were in Jotenen all week.. now the belts are empty and they're gone. I petitioned them and was told 'we'll check on it' However, I made it my mission to steal as much ore from them, and bump them as much as possible. CCP need to get rid of these leeches of the game now
Driven	Posted - 2005.08.22 18:50:00 - [135] Originally by: Maya Rkell That's called a "level playing field". Welcome to it. IMO? Stop skill gain at 2 mil in a NPC corp. This is a fantastic idea. A great way to get people out from behind the zero risk - 100% reward flawed game mechanic of hiding out in NPC corps. For those who say they'll be forced into a corp they don't want, or forced into PvP 1) Form your own one-man corp and do what you like on your own 2) If you get war-deced, what's the big deal? Shoot em.
glasl	Posted - 2005.08.22 19:35:00 - [136] or destroy them like me ^^ 2005.08.21 04:04:00 Victim: Sensient Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Full Metal Industrys Destroyed Type: Thorax Solar System: Leran System Security Level: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: glasl (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.6 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: The Galactic Empire Ship Type: Enyo Weapon Type: Light Electron Blaster II 2005.08.21 04:06:00 Victim: Despra Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Full Metal Industrys Destroyed Type: Megathron Solar System: Leran System Security Level: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: glasl (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.9 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: The Galactic Empire Ship Type: Enyo Weapon Type: Light Neutron Blaster II 2005.08.21 04:06:00 Victim: Nixstin Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Full Metal Industrys Destroyed Type: Retriever Solar System: Leran System Security Level: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: glasl (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.9 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: The Galactic Empire Ship Type: Enyo Weapon Type: Light Electron Blaster II 2005.08.21 04:06:00 Victim: Donnga Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Full Metal Industrys Destroyed Type: Vexor Solar System: Leran System Security Level: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: glasl (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.1 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: The Galactic Empire Ship Type: Enyo Weapon Type: Light Neutron Blaster II They even didnt notice that I attacked them. The didnt move or tried to move his ships out of scrambling range. I was alone with my enyo and 2 warp scramblers :) The Scorpion that destracted the npcs ran away from me :P
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:09:00 - [137] For the first time ever i gave macro hunting a go and found a 6 omen 1 hauler op in Oursulaert not only were they ALL 3 days old they also had similar names. First i checked them all to seeif there were any old charecters to convo. There were not i talked to the haukler first got some good replies so werent sure so i convied 2 of the othjeres it was then that the answers got a bit thin. So i petitione dthem and started bumping them for fun then got a hule rand emptyed their can no complaints from them at all within 30 mins a GM came over thanke dme and then they dissapered I hate ore thieves but i support it when macro miners are involved, just make sure first and petition before you mine there jet cans. Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beer Holder!!!
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:40:00 - [138] here's the best way to stop macro miners: ore thieves. finaly, let's put them to good use.
Jonkai	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:10:00 - [139] I found a group of six last week, all had the same name and were all in Ferox's, each character was 1 month and 3 days old. I tried convo'ing all of them, to no avail... also tried getting a reply from local, and still nothing. I then sent in a petition, grabbed an Indy and emptied every can. Made a nice little bonus from the ores. Couple of days later I was passing through the system again. There they were again... Don't hate me for speaking the truth! You know it makes sense. The truth hurts... grow some balls.
callisthenes excelsior	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:40:00 - [140] OK is there a channel we can monitor to loot these macro miners from? Also I have SIMPLE solution that I hope they code. We need space mines like ole naval mines. You can set them in any system and then set the timer for like 1 3 5 and 10 RL minutes. They then go BOOM in the time allowed. If you are a real person, you will see the mine being placed, and then you can defuse it with another skill or just leave. Also, I fully agree with the rats in .9 and 1.0 If the game coders don't want to do that, then do this. Code some NPC miners who will then go and mine the very roids that the macrominers are doing. Thus, if macro miners are reported, the GM can just click a key and send like 10 caldari naval miners out to mine that belt. That will shut down the macro miners. I hope this idea gets coded as it will save work in the long run. The NPC miners can then sell the ore at a resonable price just like any trade good--so the market too stays balanced. Next, can't a dreadnaught easily kill macro miners in concord space? I mean can't a dreadnaught fight off concord long enough to blow up a retriever and then warp out?
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:53:00 - [141] There's mines in-game, or at least there were a year ago. I think maybe they got taken out. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Bror Jace	Posted - 2005.08.22 22:42:00 - [142] Originally by: callisthenes excelsior OK is there a channel we can monitor to loot these macro miners from? Also I have SIMPLE solution that I hope they code. We need space mines like ole naval mines. You can set them in any system and then set the timer for like 1 3 5 and 10 RL minutes. They then go BOOM in the time allowed. If you are a real person, you will see the mine being placed, and then you can defuse it with another skill or just leave. Also, I fully agree with the rats in .9 and 1.0 If the game coders don't want to do that, then do this. Code some NPC miners who will then go and mine the very roids that the macrominers are doing. Thus, if macro miners are reported, the GM can just click a key and send like 10 caldari naval miners out to mine that belt. That will shut down the macro miners. I hope this idea gets coded as it will save work in the long run. The NPC miners can then sell the ore at a resonable price just like any trade good--so the market too stays balanced. Next, can't a dreadnaught easily kill macro miners in concord space? I mean can't a dreadnaught fight off concord long enough to blow up a retriever and then warp out? Dreads = <0.4 only I like the NPC mining op idea though, would add some more depth to the universe...
Par'Gellen	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:22:00 - [143] I've been accused of macro-mining a couple of times but it is completely untrue. I use multiple accounts running on the same computer (all of which I gladly pay 15 bucks a month for) to mine ice for my corp's POS's or for isk. I put them all in a gang and warp them back and forth to the station when thier cargo is full. Anyone that wants to watch me mine in this manner is more than welcome. Heck I'd be glad for the conversation actually as it can get supremely boring
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:52:00 - [144] the channel that moniters macro miners is [MM Killers] MM= Macro Miners
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.08.23 09:37:00 - [145] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 23/08/2005 09:39:28 Well, if that channel is run by Ollobrains, dont expect me in it. I'll get my info elsewhere, thanks. As for the abundance of m,acro miners, its getting utterly out of hand. You can go to ANY 1.0 or 0.9 system in Caldari or Gallente space that has moe then 5 pilots in it and have a 50% chance of running into an obvious macro setup. CCP replies to the petitions yes, but it does not seem like it's going much good. I see lots of newbie macro mining groups around now using 3 day (!) old chars macromining in omen cruisers. Those are either new accounts from banned macroers, which CCP should have a lid on anyway, or new macro mining groups. Typically they'll have some asian or eastern european guy (no racism, just talk to some of em and they'll tell you themselves where they are from), sitting behind 10 pc's or so and supposedly 'playing with this dorm room friends' or something. Yet the reaction takes an hour of bumping, stealing, blowing up cans and whatever not to come in the first place and for some reason ends up with the miner sounding apolegetic instead of angry. Anyway. CCP can obviously not handle it at this point. If they can, then they're letting it go on in some instances, which they should just be frank about if they do. I guess CCP does not want to make the simple changes that would make macro mining so innatractive in eve that it could simply become nearly extinct because that would 'hurt' part of the playerbase as well. But in all honesty, as a player spending most of his time outside empire I was absolutely shocked to see the amounts of obvious macro ops going down in Empire when I went looking these past two days. It's looking like Eve is gonna go down to macro abuse fast now, because once you reach a critical point there's nothing more left to do then turn a blind eye and let everyone do it. It is not going to take much longer before that point is here.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.23 09:54:00 - [146] well there are some things empire miners can do a) strip mine and lower the price of trit b) soak up the supply so more empire production can take place c) various tactics for countering macro miners.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.08.23 10:01:00 - [147] lol a) Do what they're doing b) Reward them by buying their ore c) Do something else lol [23]
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.08.23 10:06:00 - [148] You might not have noticed who sonofollo is Discorp ?
Rustafa	Posted - 2005.08.23 16:18:00 - [149] Originally by: phillip duncan Two related idea's have just pop in to my head that CCP my already be doing. idea 1: CCP create or reuse event characters (so they have bene arround for a bit) to try and buy ISK, followed by hitting the sellers account with the ban bat. Idea 2: CCP to set some honey traps for the buyers followed by the ban bat. I am sure some of the CEO's would invite the CCP characters into there corps to help deal with this problem if they wanted to make them look more realistic. I am sure so players (especially Carebare miners) will be willing to hunting of the sales and maintaining the honey pots, after all it will give us something to do while we mine plus give use more roids to strip! I dunno if you ever seen ebay site with isk sellers/account sellers but there safe from EULA they cant ban them cause there not selling the property of CCP there selling the time spent aquiring it. :(
Avon	Posted - 2005.08.23 16:21:00 - [150] Originally by: Rustafa Originally by: phillip duncan Two related idea's have just pop in to my head that CCP my already be doing. idea 1: CCP create or reuse event characters (so they have bene arround for a bit) to try and buy ISK, followed by hitting the sellers account with the ban bat. Idea 2: CCP to set some honey traps for the buyers followed by the ban bat. I am sure some of the CEO's would invite the CCP characters into there corps to help deal with this problem if they wanted to make them look more realistic. I am sure so players (especially Carebare miners) will be willing to hunting of the sales and maintaining the honey pots, after all it will give us something to do while we mine plus give use more roids to strip! I dunno if you ever seen ebay site with isk sellers/account sellers but there safe from EULA they cant ban them cause there not selling the property of CCP there selling the time spent aquiring it. :( lol. CCP can ban anyone they want, at any time, for any reason. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.23 16:30:00 - [151] Edited by: SengH on 23/08/2005 16:34:46 The new can criminal flagging tactic will work wonders. Since there is no visual cue besides actually mousing over the can to see its owner. Edit: A real player will check the can to see if its actually owned by them. A macro is unable to do so due to the random position of the can on the screen. Ingredients 1 Gank BS Setup 1 unit of ore Instructions 1. Warp to a belt with known macrominers. 2. Go near to their indy pickup point and jettision your 1 unit of ore. 3. Swap their ore into your can. 3. As indy warps in lock it in advance. 4. Indy autopicks up Your can 5. Toast the indy If by chance the macrominers start bringing in gank BSes to guard their cans. This is easily countered by the ECM module. Jam the dude scramble him and toast the BS. Edit: This would be deplorable if used against newbie players, so I'd ask for players to use restraint when using this method against obvious newbies.
Korben Morat	Posted - 2005.08.23 16:59:00 - [152] Do you know what would be fantastic? If someone is proved to be a macro miner by GM investigation, before they are banned or whatever, the GM puts a 'destroy the macro miner' mission into the agent mission pool. Agent runners would get to blow up the macro miners without fear of reprisal from the Dread Concord Once the mission is complete the GM's can ban the macro miners. Ah well one can dream
phillip duncan	Posted - 2005.08.23 18:12:00 - [153] Good idea adding the destory the macro miner mission, it would fit in to the mining agents or internal security. another idea, just reset the security status and place a bounty on there heads, repeat till they get the message.
GrandAdmiral Alt	Posted - 2005.08.23 23:28:00 - [154] Join my new corp - Concordokken*****tail Party !!! We are a pure alt corp that only flies Suicide Gank missions against macro miners. We will monitor MM Killers channel for reports of macro mining.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.23 23:41:00 - [155] yeah if u spot a macro miner get onto "MM Killers" channel and let everyoen know so people can take a look
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:15:00 - [156] Originally by: Korben Morat Do you know what would be fantastic? If someone is proved to be a macro miner by GM investigation, before they are banned or whatever, the GM puts a 'destroy the macro miner' mission into the agent mission pool. Agent runners would get to blow up the macro miners without fear of reprisal from the Dread Concord Once the mission is complete the GM's can ban the macro miners. Ah well one can dream That sounds hella fun /signed
MouseOnMars	Posted - 2005.08.27 11:26:00 - [157] Edited by: MouseOnMars on 27/08/2005 11:35:04 Part of me says "bah, ban all those asian bastards", and the other part says "who cares, mining is boring and slow anyway, lets implement a macro!". I dunno where I stand on this. I must admit I like the sound of a kill macro miner mission too though. Also - removing their can seems to mess up their script.
VeNT	Posted - 2005.08.27 12:21:00 - [158] Originally by: MouseOnMars Edited by: MouseOnMars on 27/08/2005 11:35:04 Part of me says "bah, ban all those asian bastards", and the other part says "who cares, mining is boring and slow anyway, lets implement a macro!". I dunno where I stand on this. I must admit I like the sound of a kill macro miner mission too though. Also - removing their can seems to mess up their script. thing is they arn't using it for in game, they are just selling the ore and then selling the isk on ebay or wherever.
Lee VonBargen	Posted - 2005.11.24 04:43:00 - [159] ...wonders if CCP could supeona ebay for users account info on ebay, or at least show them EULA so ebay would ban sales of ISK and eve materials like they do with human parts already.
Shugo Kazuma	Posted - 2005.11.24 09:56:00 - [160] Originally by: Korben Morat Do you know what would be fantastic? If someone is proved to be a macro miner by GM investigation, before they are banned or whatever, the GM puts a 'destroy the macro miner' mission into the agent mission pool. Agent runners would get to blow up the macro miners without fear of reprisal from the Dread Concord Once the mission is complete the GM's can ban the macro miners. Ah well one can dream Lol, just reduce their standings to -10 so we can blast them. Who needs missions.
Asestorian	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:10:00 - [161] Asestorian looks at the post dates.. WTF?! Originally by:* Noriath Duct tape is like the force, it has a dark side, a light side, and it holds the universe together...

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