TD's pretty much screw over any turret based kiter. Having a 3rd mid won't stop this. Guess what that TD condor mucks up the comet and firetail just as bad (comet has some defence with drones etc but most condors can just outrun then).

Rail comet has a 30km + max range

It does not get dicked over nearly as much by TD's as the slicer



But it does get dicked over because unbonused TD's are OP as ****.

Also punisher, dual rep incursus and slicer are all ****** brawlers.

In a 1v1 I agree completely and a smart pilot will just leave if they can't kill them quickly. but in small gang fleet they can be quite nasty. This I quite like as it gives them 'flavour'

And yeah TD's are a PITA and probably a bit OP on un bonussed hulls.

Super. Most people agree that the slicer needs more love but it seems CCP forgot this thread a long time ago.

mm.. i still find it odd that all the navy classes get an extra slot but these don't apparently they would have to nerf them to allow for an extra slot or they would be too OP im not too convinced by that myself considering AF's have 12 slots and lots of bonuses.

Well. Actually the slicer has one slot less. NO ONE uses the utility high. NO ONE.

Utility high on a RANGE focused ship is indeed not extremely helpful. That one could be very well moved. Or add antoher turret and reduce a bit the damage bonus to not get overpowered

Super. Most people agree that the slicer needs more love but it seems CCP forgot this thread a long time ago.

Probably best to take it to Test Server feedback at this point:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233577&find=unread

I agree with you though, Slicer needs a high moved to a mid or low, and the Executioner's speed or at least something closer to it.

Most reasonable people seem to agree. Always some fellow around with some odd grudge to pursue.

I usually make long posts. This one will be short. It's about slicer - piece of **** - not faction frig. ( performance wise)

CONS :
1. Utility high ... i get mad even when i think about it
2. CPU - 115 atm - anyone tell me single frig with less cpu please ? ATM
3. CPU - 125 after Odyssey - trivia how many frigs will have less after odyssey and how much less? Yes DO CHECK.
4. Actually NOT THAT FAST - yup you hear it - this so called kiter is only 20 m/s faster baseline than arch-brick puni.
5. No fitting options - other navy frigs can brawl or kite WELL.
6. It cannot actually kite well - slap one TD even on unbonused hull and slicer is done.
7. Shoot lasers.

PROS:
1. Looks good.
2. Shoot lasers.

So i will probably fly it anyway. Because it looks awesome and style > rest.

The new Firetail will eb OP in a decent pilots hands.

Hookbill and Comet are nice allrounders and will fill the gap between Inty and AF nicely.

Slicer is more of an 'unique' ship for the discerning pilot

Most of the arguments for the slicer to get a 3rd mid/lose the high are crap!

TD's pretty much screw over any turret based kiter. Having a 3rd mid won't stop this. Guess what that TD condor mucks up the comet and firetail just as bad (comet has some defence with drones etc but most condors can just outrun then).

No third mid makes an aweful brawler. Bollocks. Punisher is know for brawling as is dual rep incursus/vengeance. All of these don' t have a web for various reasons yet they are stiull good at their jobs.

Seriously you lot are just thinking of the mythical fair 1v1 fights that rarely ever happen. 99% of all fights are over before they start because of target selection and preparation of the participants.

Not every ship you kite is a dual TD'ing condor. In fact most ships won't even have a TD as it gimps thier fit to the majority of combat they are likely to encounter. And if you do happen to go after the guy with TD well HTFU and get over it and go get another ship or run away.

Slicer can put out way more DPS at point range than any of the T1 Amarr frigs. If flown right it can tank more and put out more dps then any other T1 Amarr frig in a brawl (do not underestimate the optimal bonus for lasers) sounds like it does exactly what a navy frig is supposted to do to me.
When I was in Amarr militia loads of guys were using them a lot and getting good kills both solo and gang.

When I start reading these threads, I get so excited my brain is all "WHY CAN'T I READ THIS INFORMATION FASTER???"

Still can-¦t believe CCP is really killing the slicer. The ship will be dead like hell.
Only for comparison again:
- comet: 150mm rails, 163dps, 10.4k ehp, ab scram web possible.
- firetail: 148 dps, tracking disruptor, 8.7k ehp, scramweb possible.
- slicer: erm... ??? Maybe 172 dps at 10.5k ehp, ab scram possible but ONLY scram. NO WEB. IDIOTIC!!!! COMPLETELY IDIOTIC.
Especially because lasers don-¦t hit anything if you are orbited at 500m^^. No clue how a brawler with such a bad damage at close range (500m) can survive without web^^. Additionally if the firetail has td with trackdis on the slicer and slicer is orbited at 500m^^. Kiter slicer? HAHAHA. Firetail has td and comet rails. Forget it.

THX CCP for actually killing the slicer.

CCP HATES AMARR. Point

How long it took till retribution or coercer got its 2nd mid?

And in the process of giving them a second mid, they ruined one of the best lines in the game: "There's no point in flying the coercer/retribution."

And I thought it was : "Bring a buddy to tackle for you."

Personally I loved the coercer with 4 lows. Now I never fly it.

Yeah I rarely put a point on it anyway. Just a tracking computer or SEBO : /

Utility high on a RANGE focused ship is indeed not extremely helpful. That one could be very well moved. Or add antoher turret and reduce a bit the damage bonus to not get overpowered

Nope it is. Put in an offlined salvager and you can overheat your guns significantly longer.