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Ken 1138
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:07:00 -
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EVE online has many many types of ships anyone can fly with the proper skills. Many very good, many very pretty to look at.
And taking inspiration from Top Gear's The Worst Car in the History of the World special.
Without breaking the bank in modules or going beyond what the ship can do with T2 modules. What would you nominate for the worst and most useless ship in EVE?
My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus.
I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job.
Close second choice is: The Rorqual
For being so useless that its role can one day be replaced by a simple POS module overnight if CCP chooses to make one. Giving you a useless, very expensive ship that cannot access high sec and has not other strategic role that is not already filled by other capital or smaller ships. I do not find the ship ugly however, so it is not my number one. (New paint job would hurt, stripes of JMC Red Dwarf red anyone?) |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:10:00 -
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The **** did you just say about the caracal? |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
441
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:11:00 -
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The Caracal is awesome, you must be doing something wrong. My vote goes to.... hmmm... Iteron MK I? I dunno, after all the rebalancing it's hard t pick out bad ships |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
441
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:15:00 -
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[Caracal, hams] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
22k ehp (23.7k) 275 dps out to 45km ! (324) Rage: 413dps (486) 2058 m/s (2930)
Tell me how this is bad |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
34568
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:18:00 -
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Its Shooting Bacon?
Oh wait... thats not a bad thing.... back to the drawing board :| Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
192
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:24:00 -
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Actually, the Caracal is one of the best cruisers right now, if not the best.
Worst combat ship right now is probably the close range inties. Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
376
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:29:00 -
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The Echelon and the Primae. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Pantiy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:35:00 -
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agree with above post and maybe even the one below |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
276
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:36:00 -
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The Bellicose, the Minmatar target painter cruiser.
The Munnin, the T2 Rupture. It's absolutely worthless now that new BCs, T3, BS tracking rigs, and countless other new additions have overshadowed its role. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a Munnin? |
Ken 1138
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus Rebel Alliance of New Eden
36
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:38:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:The Echelon and the Primae.
I forgot about the echelon, what was it designed for again? Last time I saw one was in the DUST 514 intro movie. I don't think I've seen one in EVE space in a long long time. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
5580
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:40:00 -
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Destru Kaneda wrote:
The current worst combat ship is probably one of the close range inties. Even the arguably best, Taranis, should be getting it's hull handed to it against most of the balanced frigates.
Ranis is still a fun ship to fly
For worst ship I would go for the skiff. Its not that its a bad ship, just a pointless one. |
Klown Walk
e X i l e Initiative Mercenaries
203
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:42:00 -
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t1 logi frigates and the rifter. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
98
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:46:00 -
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terzho wrote:The **** did you just say about the caracal?
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Whitehound
1183
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:48:00 -
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Iteron I and perhaps Iteron II. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5580
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:48:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:t1 logi frigates and the rifter.
Are you kidding? |
Laris Orwan
Industrial Solutions
57
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:48:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:EVE online has many many types of ships anyone can fly with the proper skills. Many very good, many very pretty to look at. And taking inspiration from Top Gear's The Worst Car in the History of the World special. Without breaking the bank in modules or going beyond what the ship can do with T2 modules. What would you nominate for the worst and most useless ship in EVE? My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus. )
Hmmm.. Well Kil2 who is probably the best solo pvper I've seen would strongly disagree. Oh yeah he know's his s**t that much CCP hired him.
Watch the video from around 8mins 20. And then watch all of his other videos. You want regret it!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMh09QyKiw8 |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:53:00 -
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Hel Nidhoggur Naglfar
theres the worst ships atm |
Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
67
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:55:00 -
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mechtech wrote:The Bellicose, the Minmatar target painter cruiser.
The Munnin, the T2 Rupture. It's absolutely worthless now that new BCs, T3, BS tracking rigs, and countless other new additions have overshadowed its role. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a Munnin?
Belli is still half decent as an anti-frig platform, not that the caracal is not better at the job...but I totally agree with you on the Munnin. I have one from back in my 0.0 days when it was a mainstay sniping hac but these days there is absolutely no role for it that is no totally better suited to a diffrent ship.... |
Alara IonStorm
4541
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:12:00 -
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Andracin wrote: Belli is still half decent as an anti-frig platform, not that the caracal is not better at the job...but I totally agree with you on the Munnin. I have one from back in my 0.0 days when it was a mainstay sniping hac but these days there is absolutely no role for it that is no totally better suited to a diffrent ship....
I wonder if moving 1 or 2 of those Highs to Mids would help her.
Eagle is up there too. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
194
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:20:00 -
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Phantasm <- Terrible Pirate cruiser with terrible capacitor stats and a horrific shield regain. Every othe pirate cruiser will tear it a new one as well as most T2 cruisers and even T1.
Amarr Frigs with only 2 mid slots are fairly useless too but not as bad as the Phantasm. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
534
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:49:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Phantasm <- Terrible Pirate cruiser with terrible capacitor stats and a horrific shield regain. Every othe pirate cruiser will tear it a new one as well as most T2 cruisers and even T1.
Amarr Frigs with only 2 mid slots are fairly useless too but not as bad as the Phantasm.
My retribution disagrees. I also think there are no bad ships just bad pilots using the wrong ship for the job. wumbo |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1098
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:53:00 -
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Any ship who's bonus includes "10% reduction in laser capacitor use." EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
349
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:56:00 -
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mechtech wrote: The Munnin, the T2 Rupture. It's absolutely worthless now that new BCs, T3, BS tracking rigs, and countless other new additions have overshadowed its role. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a Munnin?
Munnin fights from the last week!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-xQ1oSX_0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JajiJdLqUkY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1roTRl83Z_k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9YwuHmzwdE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qULkU_WqnUc German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:03:00 -
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Djana Libra wrote:Hel Nidhoggur Naglfar
theres the worst ships atm
you shut your mouth.
The nidhoggur isn't terrible for spider-tanking, and the Naglfar is 100% more vertical than any other dread, (Also about to become the premier blapmobile).
The Hel is terrible though. |
Krazee Relationship Guy
Better Days Ahead
1
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:15:00 -
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In my opinion,
The Impairor is pretty useless. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
289
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:18:00 -
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What did you say about the Caracal? Useless? Are you serious?
Rorqual useless? POS Managers disagree. Have you ever seen a Beffahcat in action? |
Alec Enderas
14th Legion Eternal Evocations
44
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:26:00 -
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Primae. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
811
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:32:00 -
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See Moa Thread. |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:41:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Djana Libra wrote:Hel Nidhoggur Naglfar
theres the worst ships atm you shut your mouth. The nidhoggur isn't terrible for spider-tanking, and the Naglfar is 100% more vertical than any other dread, (Also about to become the premier blapmobile). The Hel is terrible though.
Can you point out on the carebear where the mean minmatar has touched you? |
Nalha Saldana
Syneptics Inc.
690
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:43:00 -
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Eos Exequror Navy Issue Osprey Navy Issue Scythe Fleet Issue Succubus Phantasm Are all worse picks then Caracal, good thing they aren't far off from rebalancing. |
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mcdoodle
S T R A T C O M THORN Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:12:00 -
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Djana Libra wrote:Hel Nidhoggur Naglfar
theres the worst ships atm
What you talkin' bout
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2222
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:14:00 -
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The caracal? Are you high? Caracats killed about 50 fleets last month.. . |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
192
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ranis is still a fun ship to fly
Oh yes, especially because people will fight it now. Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:26:00 -
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Anything flown by me. This is not a signature. |
Bort Alexos
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
2
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:31:00 -
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Zephyr
At least Primae can carry PI goods without training industrial, so that counts as a use. |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
101
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:19:00 -
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The reason why nobody mentioned Augoror navy issue is because nobody knows it actually exists. |
Ch3244
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
232
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:19:00 -
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Bort Alexos wrote:Zephyr
At least Primae can carry PI goods without training industrial, so that counts as a use. people use them in WHs |
H2O Hairey
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:27:00 -
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First off your two picks are indeed wrong, those two are widely used.
My pick would be the shuttles, any frigate with propulsion mods will be better if you want to stupidly autopilot in highsec. (where else can you use those for?)
(stop using stuttles with PLEX in it, you just dump as hell) http://heavysteel-inc.blogspot.nl/ |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Destru Kaneda wrote:
The current worst combat ship is probably one of the close range inties. Even the arguably best, Taranis, should be getting it's hull handed to it against most of the balanced frigates.
Ranis is still a fun ship to fly For worst ship I would go for the skiff. Its not that its a bad ship, just a pointless one.
How is it pointless? It gives you something to shoot at and blow up with zero chance of getting killed yourself. Seems like it provides you an invaluable service. How else would you club baby seals without it?? |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
293
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:27:00 -
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[Hel, New Setup 1] Signal Amplifier II Selynne's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Codebreaker II Codebreaker II Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dark Blood Cap Recharger Dark Blood Cap Recharger Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I Drone Control Unit I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Tyrfing x24 Warrior II x5 Light Shield Maintenance Bot II x5 Einherji x10
Why ppl complain about Hel it would be awesome logi / hack / ore runner if ccp allow it in sites..awesome boat for it purpose..oh wait
:sarcasm: http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Iamasexybeast
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:40:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:See Moa Thread.
Cant believe no one came up with moa/eagle until page 2! |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
578
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:49:00 -
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Bellicose is an extremely versatile cruiser. You can make an armored ham variant for gate camping or brawling that will be on par with a caracal. You can make a hm sniper that is faster than the caracal. You can run a very nice anti-frig setup, ie even an FC oriented tank version that can still reach out to 40+ km with rapid light launchers.
Navy auguror.... Obviously you have never flown one. It is a great tank bait ship.
My vote for worst is the navy ospray. The rebalanced caracal and bellicose do more for a far cheaper price. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3721
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:54:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Bellicose is an extremely versatile cruiser. You can make an armored ham variant for gate camping or brawling that will be on par with a caracal. You can make a hm sniper that is faster than the caracal. You can run a very nice anti-frig setup, ie even an FC oriented tank version that can still reach out to 40+ km with rapid light launchers.
Navy auguror.... Obviously you have never flown one. It is a great tank bait ship.
My vote for worst is the navy ospray. The rebalanced caracal and bellicose do more for a far cheaper price. Pretty much dead on for all points made. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:59:00 -
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Moa/Eagle/Bellicose |
Caldari 5
The Element Syndicate
49
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:18:00 -
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The Tier 1 Amarr industrial.... what's its name again... the Sigil, you know the only reason that it exists is to create the Blockade Runner Variation, no one flys the T1 version cause the Bestower beats it in everything |
vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
64
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:55:00 -
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Id say the pod, every time I see one I have to shoot it to save the owner from embaresment This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |
Stan'din
Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys
24
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:02:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Phantasm <- Terrible Pirate cruiser with terrible capacitor stats and a horrific shield regain. Every othe pirate cruiser will tear it a new one as well as most T2 cruisers and even T1.
Amarr Frigs with only 2 mid slots are fairly useless too but not as bad as the Phantasm.
the punisher is a beast Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican. |
Ager Agemo
Imperial Collective
236
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:05:00 -
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A ship that is only good for bait like the navy augoror lol.
my personal pick its probably the hyperion, ******* thing its completely useless when compared with any other battleship. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
196
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:05:00 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:The Tier 1 Amarr industrial.... what's its name again... the Sigil, you know the only reason that it exists is to create the Blockade Runner Variation, no one flys the T1 version cause the Bestower beats it in everything
It's nippy as hell, Bestower is slow. A nano sigil is a great ship for moving a medium cargo haul quickly. Carry some t2 expanders just in case in a cargo can.
Bestower is a Truck / Sigil is a van. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Kane Alvo
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
72
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:15:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus.
I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job.
The Caracal is one of the better Cruisers. The Navy Caracal needs a revamp, as it is fairly pointless to own one right now. I agree that it's an ugly ship, but that doesn't make it useless. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
461
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:19:00 -
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Vigil.
All the worse because it's a seriously cool looking ship. Malcanis, Ripard Teg, and Trebor Daehdoow for CSM 8
(I have three accounts, so why not?) |
baltec1
Bat Country
5580
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:51:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:A ship that is only good for bait like the navy augoror lol.
my personal pick its probably the hyperion, ******* thing its completely useless when compared with any other battleship.
Oh I beg to differ. Hype makes a fantastic small gang roaming ship. |
Dark Lightstrong
Asset Reclamation Services LLC
6
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:52:00 -
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My vote goes to Vexor Navy Issue. It is outshined by a Vexor in PvP. Only in PvE it's decent, but only decent.
And even in PvE there's loads of other ships better. For less cost. |
Mizhir
Shrubbery Acquisitions
7094
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:11:00 -
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Im surpriced that noone has mentioned Phoenix yet. The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2220
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:29:00 -
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Eos and Eagle (wtf is the Eagle anyway, never seen one in space in 2 years of playing)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
269
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:31:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Im surpriced that noone has mentioned Phoenix yet. Lolphoenix |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
255
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:32:00 -
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Cerberus has always been useless, even more aweful than the Eagle.
www.facebook.com/RazorAlliance |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
114
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:38:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Im surpriced that noone has mentioned Phoenix yet.
One day. |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
733
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:53:00 -
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Didn't read the thread.
The answer is the one that you can't competently fly. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Obvious Cyno
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:54:00 -
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Primae. No I didn't read the post. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2330
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:35:00 -
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Mining ships in general seem pretty worthless...
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
212
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:22:00 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:The Tier 1 Amarr industrial.... what's its name again... the Sigil, you know the only reason that it exists is to create the Blockade Runner Variation, no one flys the T1 version cause the Bestower beats it in everything
The Sigil is one of the best lowsec transports in the game. Rigged for power it can fit a 10mn MWD and pull off the MWD/Cloak trick with great effectiveness. 2 highs and plenty of CPU for a cloak and a combat scanner for checking the gates, 3 mids for MWD, ECM burst, and third ewar of your choice, and 5 lows for all the versatility you could want from a transport. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Drunken Bum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:25:00 -
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all the shuttles. I cant kill a damn thing with them. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
212
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:37:00 -
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The Impel: will get killed at any kind of gate camp, and starts with 4km3 cargo.
"Deep space transports are designed with the depths of lawless space in mind. Possessing defensive capabilities far in excess of standard industrial ships, they provide great protection for whatever cargo is being transported in their massive holds."
Doesn't even come close to its description. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3724
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:26:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:The Impel: will get killed at any kind of gate camp, and starts with 4km3 cargo.
"Deep space transports are designed with the depths of lawless space in mind. Possessing defensive capabilities far in excess of standard industrial ships, they provide great protection for whatever cargo is being transported in their massive holds."
Doesn't even come close to its description. Deep Space Transports were originally designed with 0.0 belt ore pick up in mind. They are tough enough to take a bit of NPC pounding if necessary to pick up their load and exit.
Obviously this role never really materialized... although they do have some uses with some warp core stabs and a stiff tank for hauling in High Sec. Generally speaking though you are better off with a Blockade Runner in any given situation besides the first one I listed. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
lilith silverstone
The Arrow Project
35
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:33:00 -
[66] - Quote
Rorqual useless? Are you even playing the same game? |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
334
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:16:00 -
[67] - Quote
Confirming OP doesn't actually PLAY EVE.
Caracal is among the top 3 best cruisers in the game right now, for pvp and pve, ham + mwd is ****
As for the rorqual, it is invaluable as a mining booster in 0.0, I see them used extensively to maximize yield, but also many people use them for hauling, as well as ore and ice compression.
Way to pick 2 highly useful ships, OP.
Primae, iteron mk 2 |
Whitehound
1188
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
I am surprised nobody has yet mentioned the leadership. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1326
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:31:00 -
[69] - Quote
Corey Fumimasa wrote:The Impel: will get killed at any kind of gate camp I don't know, I use it for low-sec hauling. It easily fits an MWD and cloak plus full cargo. Granted, I only take it through quiet low-sec, but it does just fine getting my BCs where they need to go. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7074
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:33:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ken 1138 wrote:My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus.
I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job.
The Cerberus is pretty terrible, but the Caracal owns. We've been using them in HAM setups in 30-40 man fleets to great effect.
If anything, I'd say the worst ship in the game is the Phantasm. There's really nothing it does 'well.' ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
479
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:46:00 -
[71] - Quote
The worst and most useless ship?
The one that sits in your hangar. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1485
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:25:00 -
[72] - Quote
Easy. Hulk. Followed by all the other mining ships. |
YuuKnow
Planetary Purchasing
675
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:40:00 -
[73] - Quote
Ken 1138 wrote:Without breaking the bank in modules or going beyond what the ship can do with T2 modules. What would you nominate for the worst and most useless ship in EVE?
Whichever one that your the pilot of....
Oooooooo burned!
yk
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:05:00 -
[74] - Quote
How useless a ship is depends on your SP and what you are trying to do with it. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
212
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:44:00 -
[75] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: Deep Space Transports were originally designed with 0.0 belt ore pick up in mind. They are tough enough to take a bit of NPC pounding if necessary to pick up their load and exit.
Obviously this role never really materialized... although they do have some uses with some warp core stabs and a stiff tank for hauling in High Sec. Generally speaking though you are better off with a Blockade Runner in any given situation besides the first one I listed.
Its funny you say this; we were doing a mine op just the other night, the Orca guy had to take off, so we finished with a DST hauling.
Karl Hobb wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:The Impel: will get killed at any kind of gate camp I don't know, I use it for low-sec hauling. It easily fits an MWD and cloak plus full cargo. Granted, I only take it through quiet low-sec, but it does just fine getting my BCs where they need to go.
I was running the numbers on it just the other night, its a lot heavier than my BS and I like to have 100MN MWD on that to pull off the cloak trick. Have you actually tested it using the trick to see if it can be locked? My feeling is that there will be a 4 or 5 second window w the 10mn pushing, and the 100 wont fit. I would very much love to be wrong here, I find the cloaky to be overkill and really not a lot of fun. The cloak trick is just the right amount of challenge, and if it works fairly well on the DST I mat have to try it out.
There's something about the ship that I really like. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Domer Pyle
Northern Flemish Bastards Inc Yulai Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.03.13 01:29:00 -
[76] - Quote
Ken 1138 wrote:EVE online has many many types of ships anyone can fly with the proper skills. Many very good, many very pretty to look at. And taking inspiration from Top Gear's The Worst Car in the History of the World special. Without breaking the bank in modules or going beyond what the ship can do with T2 modules. What would you nominate for the worst and most useless ship in EVE? My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus. I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job. Close second choice is: The Rorqual For being so useless that its role can one day be replaced by a simple POS module overnight if CCP chooses to make one. Giving you a useless, very expensive ship that cannot access high sec and has not other strategic role that is not already filled by other capital or smaller ships. I do not find the ship ugly however, so it is not my number one. (New paint job would hurt, stripes of JMC Red Dwarf red anyone? )
looks like someone hasn't heard of the battle rorqual... |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1140
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Posted - 2013.03.13 01:37:00 -
[77] - Quote
Eagle. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1329
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Posted - 2013.03.13 01:53:00 -
[78] - Quote
Corey Fumimasa wrote:I was running the numbers on it just the other night, its a lot heavier than my BS and I like to have 100MN MWD on that to pull off the cloak trick. Have you actually tested it using the trick to see if it can be locked? My feeling is that there will be a 4 or 5 second window w the 10mn pushing, and the 100 wont fit. I would very much love to be wrong here, I find the cloaky to be overkill and really not a lot of fun. The cloak trick is just the right amount of challenge, and if it works fairly well on the DST I mat have to try it out. You can pull it off with a 10MN if you switch off the cloak a bit over a second before the MWD cycle ends. This means you have to turn off the MWD manually rather than let the cloak do it. The timing is a bit difficult, but it didn't take me much practice to get it right. After that, let the natural warp strength and the laziness of a camper who may not be expecting to be able to lock you after the cycle, and the fact that you took it into quiet low-sec (as in, don't drive the ****** right into OMS expecting to make this happen), take over. My hauling alt also has Evasive Manuevering to V, but I personally think that's a crucial skill anyway. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
Dengen Krastinov
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.03.13 02:05:00 -
[79] - Quote
Djana Libra wrote:Hel Nidhoggur Naglfar
theres the worst ships atm
I can't agree more with this.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
213
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Posted - 2013.03.13 03:06:00 -
[80] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:. My hauling alt also has Evasive Manuevering to V, but I personally think that's a crucial skill anyway.
Can you actually delete the rest of that post =-)
We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
64
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Posted - 2013.03.13 03:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
Revenant is quite possibly the most pointless ship in the game. Outrageously rare, terrible stats in every way, looks absolutely horrid.
Other than that, my list would go something like this:
Kitsune (currently worse than a griffin) Hyena (really hard to find a use for this one) Osprey Navy Issue Scythe Fleet Issue Exequoror Navy Issue
Ships that are bad but not completely useless:
Leviathan (only slightly good because of the baller shield bonus) Hel (what is having a tank) Nidhoggur (only good for repping poses) Phoenix (only really useful for reinforcing poses) Eagle Cerb Pilgrim (these 3 are good in certain roles but see little use overall) Deep Space Transports Mimir (this thing is much worse than any of the other tourney ships, has a frankly embarrassing targeting range)
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Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
218
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:10:00 -
[82] - Quote
1) SIN and mostly all black ops ships execpt the widow.
2)most usefull = all ship able to fit covert ops cloaking .. :) RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Camper101
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:37:00 -
[83] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:1) SIN and mostly all black ops ships execpt the widow.
It is actually exactly the other way around.
@OP: Succubus, Phantasm, Scythe Fleet, Augoror Navy and the Firetail are pretty useless atm.
And my Cruors and Ashimmus could use some loving, too :D 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
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Marbuel
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
40
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:37:00 -
[84] - Quote
The Primae is vastly dysfunctional and doesn't live up to it's potential by any stretch. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
46
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:00:00 -
[85] - Quote
I'd probably have to go with the Naglfar first, just because it's so vastly overshadowed by the other races, yet takes twice aslong to train for, i don;t think even the devs know what its supposed to be, i think it tries to be versatile but just ends up being **** at everything.
It's hard to give anything t1 (sub cap) the "worst class" tag as when you consider the price, most of them have a use, things like the bellicose can still be fun and have some use for low SP pilots. So considering this id' also vote for the Munnin, it's costly, and can in no way justify it's price when compared to a Rupture!
PS - Caracal?! One of the best cruisers in game at the moment, including all the t2 ones! Admittedly Cerb is a bit redundant considering the caracal and you'd be lucky to see one out and about. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
213
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:02:00 -
[86] - Quote
The Primae was a limited edition, special release ship. It was designed to be a luxury item and I think it fills that role well.
Its funny though, a lot of people seem to want that type of ship. Something that was fast/tough/stealthy enough to get into low and null sec for PI would be cool. Maybe a version that got a break on orbital transfer costs. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Dave Stark
1983
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:07:00 -
[87] - Quote
nagal--- oh, wait. you're tired, stop posting. |
Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
57
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:16:00 -
[88] - Quote
Shuttles. If we have to name a real ship then whatever that Minmatar ship is that still has split hardpoints. I thought CCP learned their lesson about that.
Edit: Wrong forum. This belongs in 'ships and modules'. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1000
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:47:00 -
[89] - Quote
Destoya wrote:
Deep Space Transports
Does anyone actually use these?
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.13 14:12:00 -
[90] - Quote
Nova Satar wrote:I'd probably have to go with the Naglfar first, just because it's so vastly overshadowed by the other races, yet takes twice aslong to train for, i don;t think even the devs know what its supposed to be, i think it tries to be versatile but just ends up being **** at everything. The Naglfar is getting a fixed bonus that turns its two turrets into three effective turrets, and is having its launchers removed (along with the two high slots they occupy and some PG and CPU to compensate).
So the Nag will actually go from being the second worst dread to being the second best, and the Revelation will take its place. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
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Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.13 14:13:00 -
[91] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Destoya wrote:
Deep Space Transports
Does anyone actually use these? It would have actually made sense if CCP decided to make DSTs invulnerable to cargo scanning instead of BRs, but... they didn't for some reason. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
115
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:24:00 -
[92] - Quote
At least CCP knows that the phantasm is the worst ship. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
14
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:38:00 -
[93] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:silens vesica wrote:Destoya wrote:
Deep Space Transports
Does anyone actually use these? It would have actually made sense if CCP decided to make DSTs invulnerable to cargo scanning instead of BRs, but... they didn't for some reason.
What ruins the DST for me is they're slower in warp and have a much higher mass than the Tech 1 versions.
It's great that they're more tanky than the tech 1 versions, but it sucks that they have to give up the core things that industrials regularly do: align and warp quickly. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
525
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:41:00 -
[94] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:1) SIN and mostly all black ops ships execpt the widow.
2)most usefull = all ship able to fit covert ops cloaking .. :)
Yeah, black ops are crap. Don't bother using them everyone, theyre so bad :/ Buff them CCP! |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
168
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:44:00 -
[95] - Quote
Since teh OP didn't exclude special edition ships, I'm going with the Echelon (although I think it looks cool). Lighting a cyno to my ladyparts, jump on in! |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1002
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:48:00 -
[96] - Quote
Ersahi Kir wrote: What ruins the DST for me is they're slower in warp and have a much higher mass than the Tech 1 versions.
It's great that they're more tanky than the tech 1 versions, but it sucks that they have to give up the core things that industrials regularly do: align and warp quickly.
"We heard you liked industrials, so we carved you a nickel-iron asteroid in the shape of an industrial and slapped engines and some paint on it for you." Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:48:00 -
[97] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:At least CCP knows that the phantasm is the worst ship. I don't really get why people say this. Phantasm isn't that bad. Slap two large ASBs on it and it's a workable solo PVP ship. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
64
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:53:00 -
[98] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:
What's wrong with the Leviathan? It has an absolute beast of a tank and it does the most DPS for structure shoots or caps moving slower than 30 m/s.
Probably 75% of the time I see PL's Leviathan, it ends up bouncing off the end of another titan and flying further than it's puny 60km range, at which point it's a glorified Large Shield Extender II.
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TheButcherPete
The James Gang R O G U E
234
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:59:00 -
[99] - Quote
I'll forgive you, because you are in RANE. Leave while you can.
Rorqual isn't used mainly for compression, it is used for the hideously good link bonus it gives while in Industrial mode.
hurr. I can tell you've never used one. Bzzt.
GÖÑ Punkturis GÖÑ |
Dazram Two
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:05:00 -
[100] - Quote
Eagle and Cerberus.
Seriously, the Caldari HACs are garbage. When was the last time you saw an Eagle?
Thought so. |
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Whitehound
1190
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:12:00 -
[101] - Quote
I have found one more. Wait for it... wait for it... the censorship. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
676
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Posted - 2013.03.13 19:28:00 -
[102] - Quote
Ken 1138 wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:The Echelon and the Primae. I forgot about the echelon, what was it designed for again? .
TheEchelon was given away for Incursions & was incredibly fail as a hacking ship because it is so slow & hacking towers were 70 km out
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Nick Shale
Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys
15
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:17:00 -
[103] - Quote
PUNISHER by far
The only frig it can kill its the rookie ships and the scanning ones
To SLOW NO GANK! Cap sucks cant double rep 2 mid slots!!!!!!!
The Punisher is like a Mexican Pi+¦ata in space, its only good to pop it. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
785
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:42:00 -
[104] - Quote
"What is the worst and most useless ship in EVE"
In my opinion, all kinds of capitals and titans, in usage only when pos-sov war, totaly boring and useless in normal comabt- battle, also expensiv.
Love all small and med ships even battleships but capitals... Not my things... EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Frank Doberman
7th Church of the Apocalyptic Lawnmower
3
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:57:00 -
[105] - Quote
Anyone who hasn't immediately replied 'Moa' without so much as a nanosecond of hesitation, has obviously never undocked in one.
Trying to fly one of these 'things' (they're not ships) as the first cruiser I ever used in Eve, was possibly the most frustrating, infuriating, and embittering experience of my life, and believe me, there have been a few stonkers of those along the way.
It's just no use at anything at all, and the frequency with which it explodes as soon as something appears on everview just makes you question if Eve is really the correct game for you, or indeed, if life is worth bothering with anymore.
If I ever found myself in a station, miles from home, and the only ship available was a Moa, I'd immediately undock, self-destruct it, then do the same in my pod and take the clone express. I'd sooner attempt PvP in a shuttle (provided it's a Minmatar one so I can pretend I'm Luke and R2D2 is riding shotgun, and I can do the bleep....woooo! noises myself) |
Frank Doberman
7th Church of the Apocalyptic Lawnmower
3
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:58:00 -
[106] - Quote
bleh, double post |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
115
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:51:00 -
[107] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:Super spikinator wrote:At least CCP knows that the phantasm is the worst ship. I don't really get why people say this. Phantasm isn't that bad. Slap two large ASBs on it and it's a workable solo PVP ship.
Until someone remembers to neut you. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2642
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Posted - 2013.03.14 04:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Naglfar. It should use 3 projectiles.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2495
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Posted - 2013.03.14 04:58:00 -
[109] - Quote
The worst and most useless ship...
I fear that it's probably whatever ship I happen to be piloting at any time.
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Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:02:00 -
[110] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Super spikinator wrote:At least CCP knows that the phantasm is the worst ship. I don't really get why people say this. Phantasm isn't that bad. Slap two large ASBs on it and it's a workable solo PVP ship. Until someone remembers to neut you. That's why you pick your battles. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
137
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:32:00 -
[111] - Quote
I don't think I would ever pilot one of those special edition Iterons. I think one of the Quafe ones goes for over 3.5B ISK. Even the less expensive ones are just major killboard targets for solo gankers. Not sure who would buy one of these and am not sure why CCP would choose an Iteron for a special edition instead of a blockade runner which might survive for a little while. I like the special edition shuttles though, since they are harder to target, cost much less, and look cool. |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
51
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:34:00 -
[112] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ken 1138 wrote:My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus.
I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job. The Cerberus is pretty terrible, but the Caracal owns. We've been using them in HAM setups in 30-40 man fleets to great effect. '
LOL!!! Don't Panic.
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
116
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Posted - 2013.03.15 06:16:00 -
[113] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:Super spikinator wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Super spikinator wrote:At least CCP knows that the phantasm is the worst ship. I don't really get why people say this. Phantasm isn't that bad. Slap two large ASBs on it and it's a workable solo PVP ship. Until someone remembers to neut you. That's why you pick your battles.
Picking on lower tier frigates shouldn't constitute picking your fights. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
249
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Posted - 2013.03.15 06:57:00 -
[114] - Quote
mechtech wrote:The Munnin, the T2 Rupture. It's absolutely worthless now that new BCs, T3, BS tracking rigs, and countless other new additions have overshadowed its role. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a Munnin? The Munnin is perfect as anti-tackle support in shield snipe fleets. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.15 07:27:00 -
[115] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Super spikinator wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Super spikinator wrote:At least CCP knows that the phantasm is the worst ship. I don't really get why people say this. Phantasm isn't that bad. Slap two large ASBs on it and it's a workable solo PVP ship. Until someone remembers to neut you. That's why you pick your battles. Picking on lower tier frigates shouldn't constitute picking your fights. It works quite well against a few T1 cruisers, some navy cruisers, and recons. Is it underpowered? Yes. But it's not nearly what I'd consider "worst and most useless". Give it another mid slot, more speed and agility, a bit more CPU, and more cargo space and it would be a beast. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1020
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:It works quite well against a few T1 cruisers, some navy cruisers, and recons. Is it underpowered? Yes. But it's not nearly what I'd consider "worst and most useless". Give it another mid slot, more speed and agility, a bit more CPU, and more cargo space and it would be a beast.
That could be said of many crap ships. Even a turd can be polished,* if you give it a bit of work.
*As demonstrated by Mythbusters. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3748
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:41:00 -
[117] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Naglfar. It should use 3 projectiles.
It only needs 2.
Naglafar buff. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3748
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:49:00 -
[118] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:Andski wrote:Ken 1138 wrote:My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus.
I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job. The Cerberus is pretty terrible, but the Caracal owns. We've been using them in HAM setups in 30-40 man fleets to great effect. ' LOL!!! However I pick the Breacher, just because of the terrible DPS. I often get top damage with a Breacher in frigate fleets. However the fact that many people feel the way you do probably accounts for why my Breachers seem to live longer than any ship in gang other than the Punishers.
I'll also point out that the Punishers are usually the core group that survives long enough to finish the last bits of resistance and hold the field when all is said and done. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Amber Solaire
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:15:00 -
[119] - Quote
Whatever came before, the Prophecy now most certainly is most useless ship, even though it still looks good
I mean, missiler launchers, but drone bonuses?? |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
213
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:31:00 -
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Amber Solaire wrote:Whatever came before, the Prophecy now most certainly is most useless ship, even though it still looks good
I mean, missiler launchers, but drone bonuses?? The Proph is a frikken monster! It has 7 lows for tank or gank. You never know what a ship like that will bring to the game and that is worth a lot on its own. Huge drone bay for several different setups ready to go. All with an excellent resist bonus, and a great price.
I get the distinct feeling that I have just been thoroughly trolled. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3750
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:55:00 -
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Amber Solaire wrote:Whatever came before, the Prophecy now most certainly is most useless ship, even though it still looks good
I mean, missiler launchers, but drone bonuses?? As the gentleman above me pointed out, I really hope this is a troll.
If not, consider the Prophecy to be a drone boat with missiles (or lasers) for back up as a secondary weapons system to it's huge drone bay. It is currently one of the best BC's in the game. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Transmaritanus
Sinister Elite Black Legion.
38
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:16:00 -
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mechtech wrote:The Bellicose, the Minmatar target painter cruiser.
The Munnin, the T2 Rupture. It's absolutely worthless now that new BCs, T3, BS tracking rigs, and countless other new additions have overshadowed its role. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a Munnin?
I guess you haven't fought us yet |
Halcyon Ingenium
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
205
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Posted - 2013.03.15 23:02:00 -
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The ship that never undocks. Zakalwe: To some people, that might sound like just a good excuse for bad behaviour. Diziet Sma: And perhaps they would be right. Maybe that is all it is. But if nothing else, at least we need an excuse; think how many people need none at all. |
Draydin Warsong
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:34:00 -
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Most useless ship... Primae without a doubt |
Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:34:00 -
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mechtech wrote:The Bellicose, the Minmatar target painter cruiser.
The Munnin, the T2 Rupture. It's absolutely worthless now that new BCs, T3, BS tracking rigs, and countless other new additions have overshadowed its role. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a Munnin?
I think just about nearly every major nullsec alliance runs Munnins. I see them every day in delve, both from TEST and BL |
Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:38:00 -
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Draydin Warsong wrote:Most useless ship... Primae without a doubt
I'd second that. I actually bought one as I thought I had missed something, having looked at the attributes and concluded "that's totally useless". Turns out, it actually is more or less useless.
Although...the Echelon. Talk about niche. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
Othran
Route One
457
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:20:00 -
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Muninn is arguably the worst ship in terms of isk.
It simply serves no purpose at all which can't be done better and in a lot of cases much much cheaper with other ships.
Oh and its been like that for probably 3-4 years. If anything T2 deserves a bit of attention its that. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
543
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:22:00 -
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In vote the Megathron Federate Issue. Nobody uses it ever!
And it's been that way for years. CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:31:00 -
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Worst Ship? Any ship I'm flying... |
Haradgrim
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
8
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Posted - 2013.03.16 14:09:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:EVE online has many many types of ships anyone can fly with the proper skills. Many very good, many very pretty to look at. And taking inspiration from Top Gear's The Worst Car in the History of the World special. Without breaking the bank in modules or going beyond what the ship can do with T2 modules. What would you nominate for the worst and most useless ship in EVE? My choice is: The Caracal/Cerberus. I like Caldari ships alot, but i cannot think of an uglier and more useless ship than that. Not much power, not much in defenses, not much speed even MWD fit. What ever sleek design it is supposed to have is completely lost in a ship that looks like an over sized coffee stir stick. Very little improvement in its T2 variation with a rather hideous paint job. Close second choice is: The Rorqual For being so useless that its role can one day be replaced by a simple POS module overnight if CCP chooses to make one. Giving you a useless, very expensive ship that cannot access high sec and has not other strategic role that is not already filled by other capital or smaller ships. I do not find the ship ugly however, so it is not my number one. (New paint job would hurt, stripes of JMC Red Dwarf red anyone? )
Your doing it wrong. The caracal is one of the best cruisers IMHO. I'd probably go with the Tormentor as most useless. |
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
334
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Posted - 2013.03.16 15:05:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:In vote the Megathron Federate Issue. Nobody uses it ever!
And it's been that way for years.
Lies, I use it for ship spinning! GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
545
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Posted - 2013.03.16 18:09:00 -
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Entity wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:In vote the Megathron Federate Issue. Nobody uses it ever!
And it's been that way for years. Lies, I use it for ship spinning!
I'll give you a trillion isk for it CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
1103
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Posted - 2013.03.16 18:18:00 -
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Echelon. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
157
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:48:00 -
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The Slasher after the small ASB nerf. I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
541
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Posted - 2013.03.17 07:50:00 -
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Phantasm. Always. |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
709
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:45:00 -
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Even after the ship rebalancing, there are still some that are worthless and are terrible.
Vigil - Minmatar Frigate. Does anyone really use target painters? They're only useful if you're having trouble hitting a target due to a small signature radius. Since frigates typically don't suffer that problem, it's kinda useless. The *only* time I've ever seen a TP used is on a stealth bomber using torps against another frigate sized enemy.
Bellicose - Minmatar Cruiser. Same problem as the Vigil. The need for target painters is rare if ever. By proxy, the need for this ship and it's little frigate brother is also rare if ever. The uses for target painters are few and far between.
Prophecy - Amarr Battlecruiser. So now its primary weapon is drones? Sadly it's underwhelming in comparison to the Myrmidon or even it's smaller brother, the Vexor cruiser. With just 75 mbit/sec, its DPS is underwhelming. If this ship gets flown at all, expect to see it fitted with autocannons or blasters as its primary weapon. /facepalm
Ferox - Caldari Battlecruiser. Still underwhelming even after the rebalance. It's as if it's trying to be on par with the Brutix yet falls short. Maybe when railguns are worth a damn will the Ferox be any good. Plus only five mid slots means the shield tank is a little gimped. Maybe move a high slot to a mid? Or maybe a low to a mid? It might help a little.
Cyclone - Minmatar Battlecruiser. Design for the tank seems to have gone horribly wrong. As a PvP ship, this just screams armor tank despite the shield boosting bonus. Your mid slots will be used for propulsion, web and warp scram/disrupt. There goes three of the five mid slots. The remaining two would have to be a shield extender and a shield booster if you wanted to actually use the shield boosting bonus. In the meantime you still have five low slots not being used. Full damage mod loadout maybe? Seems like a waste.
No, the obvious way to fit this ship for PvP (at least, obvious to me) is to fit armor tank in the lows, propulsion/web/disruptor/ewar in the mids, and heavy assaults and neuts in the highs. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
Judo Chopped
GET TO DA CHOPPER
17
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:40:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote: Cyclone - Minmatar Battlecruiser. Design for the tank seems to have gone horribly wrong. As a PvP ship, this just screams armor tank despite the shield boosting bonus. Your mid slots will be used for propulsion, web and warp scram/disrupt. There goes three of the five mid slots. The remaining two would have to be a shield extender and a shield booster if you wanted to actually use the shield boosting bonus. In the meantime you still have five low slots not being used. Full damage mod loadout maybe? Seems like a waste.
No, the obvious way to fit this ship for PvP (at least, obvious to me) is to fit armor tank in the lows, propulsion/web/disruptor/ewar in the mids, and heavy assaults and neuts in the highs.
In fleets where you're not the tackle, this ship isn't too bad at all.
I vote Caracal Navy or Cerberus. Caracal for it's price is just better. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:53:00 -
[138] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:Cyclone - Minmatar Battlecruiser. Design for the tank seems to have gone horribly wrong. As a PvP ship, this just screams armor tank despite the shield boosting bonus. Your mid slots will be used for propulsion, web and warp scram/disrupt. There goes three of the five mid slots. The remaining two would have to be a shield extender and a shield booster if you wanted to actually use the shield boosting bonus. In the meantime you still have five low slots not being used. Full damage mod loadout maybe? Seems like a waste.
No, the obvious way to fit this ship for PvP (at least, obvious to me) is to fit armor tank in the lows, propulsion/web/disruptor/ewar in the mids, and heavy assaults and neuts in the highs. [Cyclone, Shield Buffer Cyclone] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x5
Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
25
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Posted - 2013.03.17 15:32:00 -
[139] - Quote
I don't know where to start - there are like 100+ of them. Either too specialized and situational (like scanning) or too expensive to use. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
336
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Posted - 2013.03.20 14:07:00 -
[140] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Entity wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:In vote the Megathron Federate Issue. Nobody uses it ever!
And it's been that way for years. Lies, I use it for ship spinning! I'll give you a trillion isk for it
You're missing a 0 there. It's not for sale though GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
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