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Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 408	Posted - 2013.03.17 00:56:00 - [31] - Quote Stegas Tyrano wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Your idea is new and original. And also in the wrong place. I don't care, F&I is the graveyard of all terrible ideas, mine deserves to go there. Your post. I fixed it. You are welcome. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Red Teufel Take it Deep 213	Posted - 2013.03.17 01:00:00 - [32] - Quote ccp Finnish what you started or no balls.
Andracin Sickology 67	Posted - 2013.03.17 01:45:00 - [33] - Quote if WiS gets implemented I want my suicide smartbomb vest so I can clear out some jita trade alts :P
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 849	Posted - 2013.03.17 02:41:00 - [34] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: Sharon Willis wrote: You all realize that WIS is already out.. DUST?? You realize that what is currently and charitably called "WIS" is only about 1/10th of what it was supposed to be ? Mealting computers ring a bell? We will have to wait for people to get new rigs before any wis investment Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Tom Gerard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 969	Posted - 2013.03.17 02:42:00 - [35] - Quote Shooting in Space = EVE Shooting on Sand = DUST514 Shooting on Stations = Future of WiS? One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg
Goldiiee Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts 293	Posted - 2013.03.17 03:01:00 - [36] - Quote I always envisioned WIS leading to, Gambling in station, fighting in station, missions to abandoned stations and walking in them, fighting FPS in abandoned stations against other players, Walking through slave market, and of course the gratuitous walking into strip club in station. All additional content, that would cover most of it, but of courser there might be another company willing to finance and explore that option as a game concept. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..)
Mikhem Taxisk Unlimited 52	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:10:00 - [37] - Quote I would be ready to pay full game price for WIS expansion if it was sold in stores. I think there should be poll that asks how many people are ready to do the same. Mikhem Before Retribution I was lonely guy. After Retribution Im now WANTED. Bee sound effect
Dalmont Delantee Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance 119	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:17:00 - [38] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: Shooting in Space = EVE Shooting on Sand = DUST514 Shooting on Stations = Future of WiS? Tom actually made a worthwhile post!
Dalmont Delantee Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance 119	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:21:00 - [39] - Quote WiS is like the inbred cousin that rich people hide in the attic. A twisted parady of itself. A Cthuthluesc spawn of a feature. IMHO I think they are waiting to bring out WoD before they work on it again. Thats if WoD has the same technology any more. If you haven't noticed they've been doing a lot of hiring recently for WoD related Devs
Roime Shiva Furnace 2317	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:31:00 - [40] - Quote No need for Kickstarter -I volunteer to act as the third party. I can mail you my bank details, and as soon as we reach 10K donators, I will contact CCP and proceed with the negotiations. Let's do this, WiS FTW! -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
Tiberius StarGazer StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration 317	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:38:00 - [41] - Quote I would like to see further expansion of the WIS as well, corporate offices would be a nice place to start and IMO, other than working out how to have 2 or more avatars in a room together doesn't seem like a big jump over captains quarters at the moment. Edit: Even holographic one to one communications with other eve players would be a great start. But, I'm not a programming person, so have no real idea on the level of commitment that will require. From what I have seen is that CCP is attemping to take on a much larger overall design as shown in some of the "behind the scenes" videos (I seem to remember seeing geometric shapes representing charecter avatars moving around as some sort of proof of concept) While yeah its resource hungry, if WIS has a development cycle of 2/3 years most PC's will be able to handle it quite well I believe. But I agree with the sentiments on the rest of the thread, CCP has commited itself to other areas, which is a bit of a shame really as with Dust I can very easily see orbital war rooms with Capsuleers and Bunnies meeting and organising together. There is a lot of general support for WIS in the community, I hear it regularly, but share frustrations that in reality, after the vocal minority of Eve spoke out about it, its been kicked into the long grass never to be seen again.
Othran Route One 459	Posted - 2013.03.23 12:32:00 - [42] - Quote Tiberius StarGazer wrote: There is a lot of general support for WIS in the community, I hear it regularly, but share frustrations that in reality, after the vocal minority of Eve spoke out about it, its been kicked into the long grass never to be seen again. You carry on believing that sunshine, oh and here's some unicorns and fairies for you to believe in as well. CCP know it wasn't a "vocal minority" who thought Incarna was unadulterated crap, if it had been they would have carried on with it.
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 303	Posted - 2013.03.23 13:44:00 - [43] - Quote Can people please stop giving companies money before they make the game. You know they can take your $1,000,000 and release a pile a poop right? and you're not getting that money back! Let's take this idea here. CCP say they want to raise money for WiS, they promise more content if they make $1mil They get $1mil, then make a new solo player room. They have now made more WiS like they said and spent about $200k and used the rest to do what ever they want. Kickstarter should not be used to make games, companies need to make quality or interesting games if they want to make money, not get paid to release what ever they eventually fail on making. [00:18:15] Intex Encapor > THIS NOW IN: TURELUS 5% MORE BITTER THAN INTEX
Joelleaveek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 203	Posted - 2013.03.23 16:51:00 - [44] - Quote I want WIS, but i already pay a sub, i feel like they don't need more money for it. they just need to be smart about it. I also feel like if there is a kick starter then CCP will fell obligated to make it a separate game (if it were a paid expansion then it would have to be). This would go completely against the sandbox nature of Eve. It would be just lame if i wanted to play some WIS content with someone but they responded with "oh i don't have that expansion" . It would also be a complete departure from how they have been doing expansions for the last 10 years. If i had to pay more for WIS i would defiantly boycott it. Also, please move this to features and ideas.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 662	Posted - 2013.03.23 17:26:00 - [45] - Quote Kickstarter isn't the solution for everything. Take off those abominations of facial eyewear from '80s you're wearing, loosen your jeans, cut your hair, and ~capitalism~. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50
Jay Kreutzer High Life Industries Fade 2 Black 1	Posted - 2013.03.23 17:44:00 - [46] - Quote We all know how WiS will end up...a bunch of idiots standing- correction, jumping- around, and/or trying to show off their shinies to other idiots jumping around and trying to block things you can interact with. After the novelty of jumping in space wears off, they'll complain that there's nothing to do in station, and they should add some kind of 'extra-station' game content.
Darth Khasei Wavestar Business Ventures Inc. 58	Posted - 2013.03.23 18:07:00 - [47] - Quote Respect. Sometimes it feels like ground hog day around here. At least CCP finally got the message from the vast majority of people that want the spaceship portion of a ships in space MMO to be worked on over the personal pipe dream of a powerful person(s) on the dev team. I want WIS when they can actually technically handle that portion at least as good as a non jita system. Right now even with Time Dilation they can't even provide a non lagfest experience for the large fleet battles bragged about in most of the ads for this game. Adding a buggy incomplete resource hog of a slapped on module did not make sense when they first tried it and praise be to whatever deity that they realized their error and stopped before going over the waterfall so to speak. Focus is what CCP needs and WIS was doing nothing more than blurring their vision.
Kirjava Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1250	Posted - 2013.03.23 18:20:00 - [48] - Quote On reflection, a bad idea. Why would CCP ever develop anything if they remember Incarna2 was bankrolled by kickstarted on the playerbase? Why not do that again for every expansion when a critical mass of players put their hands int eh pockets like WoW? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Steveir Hagukure Disturbed Acquaintance 48	Posted - 2013.03.23 19:42:00 - [49] - Quote I think that this is a really good idea. Clearly WiS is suffering from the haters that generate a S**tstorm every time someone mention WiS (see this thread). However there are a significant number of players who want this in Eve; I personally would happily pay for expansion (in advance via kickstart). If 50,000 are prepared to stump up 30 quid; then I'm pretty sure WiS would be a reality.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 670	Posted - 2013.03.23 20:30:00 - [50] - Quote Steveir wrote: However there are a significant number of players who want this in Eve. Citation required
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 1222	Posted - 2013.03.23 20:50:00 - [51] - Quote Steveir wrote: I think that this is a really good idea. Clearly WiS is suffering from the haters that generate a S*tstorm every time someone mention WiS (see this thread). However there are a significant number of players who want this in Eve; I personally would happily pay for expansion (in advance via kickstart). If 50,000 are prepared to stump up 30 quid; then I'm pretty sure WiS would be a reality. I guess it all depends on what your definition of: "a significant number" who just want WIS is, vs. the actual number of players who will quit over not having it, vs. the number of subs CCP lost when they turned their resources away from what makes them money for too long when that was punctuated by a miserable expansion marketed to players as an example of :excellence:. A lot of the so-called "hate" you are perceiving is partly because threads like this do not belong in GD, and mostly because the "CCP, gimme WIS naow!!!!" bleating goes on and on, from the same handful of players who somehow have come to believe they represent the majority of subscribers. It does not matter how much money you have now, or can generate quickly via fundraising to throw at a idea if the underlying tech is not capable of fulfilling the majority of your customers' expectations. It also helps a lot if there is meaningful game play & content that directly relates to and impacts EVE the PVP game. After more than half a decade of spitballing, CCP doesn't even have what players will actually do in WIS worked out, and that's hardly due to a lack of funds, which they once had plenty of when they were actively working on it. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'*
Jess Tanner Hard Knocks Inc. 20	Posted - 2013.03.23 22:08:00 - [52] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Stegas Tyrano wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Your idea is new and original. And also in the wrong place. I don't care, F&I is the graveyard of all good ideas, mine deserves to stay here. Your idea deserves to be buried under concrete. then have soft pete spread over it, where it should remain for atleast six months, then lost, rerouted, lost again....then thrown into a fire pit of jet fuel...... then have its ashes thrown into the dead sea....
Flamespar Woof Club 533	Posted - 2013.03.23 23:28:00 - [53] - Quote I wouldn't worry about they haters. They are only a small bunch of people anyway. If CCP were to do a kickstarter, I think at the very least they woudl need to show that the incarna engine is capable of displaying multiple avatars at the same time first, to build credibility. Apparently the incarna engine can already display multiple avatars, it's more a problem with the processor power require to do so. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
T'Laar Bok 80	Posted - 2013.03.24 00:19:00 - [54] - Quote I'm an egg or a ship, no need to walk anywhere. I'm lazy like that. Amphetimines are your friend. http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok

ISD Flidais Asagiri ISD Community Communications Liaisons 77	Posted - 2013.03.24 20:32:00 - [55] - Quote Greetings As I do not think this should be in Features and Ideas as it is an idea about an alternate method to improve the game, out side actual game content. However I do ask that we do not get into what truly is the death of positive discourse and that is pyramid posting and off topic responses. Press on. On On ISD Flidais Asagiri Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Stegas Tyrano GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy 307	Posted - 2013.03.24 20:35:00 - [56] - Quote Just start the Kickstarter and 'Let the wallets do the talking' Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts
Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 374	Posted - 2013.03.24 20:45:00 - [57] - Quote Lava lamps, red velvet smoking jacket, polar bear rug.... martini glasses... mirrors on the ceiling... really... how hard can it be ? Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Johnny Bloomington Justified Chaos 82	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:25:00 - [58] - Quote It's a shame that EVE has such small minded people when it comes to WIS. "It didn't work the first time so blah!" Whatever... I agree that it was good CCP dropped WIS for the last 2 years to clean up broken features but sometime they need to revisit WIS. If not then I'll just find myself playing Star Citizen more than playing EVE. CCP wish list: show damage on ships and open that door!
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1359	Posted - 2013.03.24 21:32:00 - [59] - Quote Johnny Bloomington wrote: It's a shame that EVE has such small minded people when it comes to WIS. "It didn't work the first time so blah!" Whatever... I agree that it was good CCP dropped WIS for the last 2 years to clean up broken features but sometime they need to revisit WIS. If not then I'll just find myself playing Star Citizen more than playing EVE. There's more awe in this single SC concept art: Moscow 30th century concept art Than in the whole Incarna in its good times before release. Of course, concept art is concept art. But we moved from promenades and walking to ships (Ambulation teaser video 2006) to establishments and Captain quarters (Incarna fanfest video 2010) to a prison cell (actual Incarna) and abandonment (the next 2 years at least, which in terms of EVE longevity may be"forever"). The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8280	Posted - 2013.03.24 22:33:00 - [60] - Quote Stegas Tyrano wrote: Let the players who want WiS to be finished (myself included) raise money via Kickstarter so that CCP can hire external developers to finish off WiS. This way the entire playerbase can get the best of both worlds, inhouse dev's working on FiS, external dev's working on WiS. CCP, may avoid taking this route because they think it might harm their reputation as a company but everyone knows CCP are pretty radical and innovative. Why not let us (who want WiS) help you expand on EVE by letting you hire more dev's especially for WiS. I would be absolutely OK with this. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread

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