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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1309
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:43:00 -
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Anything to get CCP to dedicate some resources to Avatar content. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Danny John-Peter
New Eden Renegades
205
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:45:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Seriously? I thought "Load Station Environment" was the first checkbox to get unticked everytime people re-installed the game. It adds nothing to the game as it is, and it's high time it was scrapped completely and save some server load. Surely CCP could have a poll or something for judging how many people want WiS or not, and then decide if it's worth pursuing. I'd love to see it but only at the end of a list of other important things in the game like pos revamp, corp roles revamp, total science and industry revamp, mining revamp, navy battlecruisers, forum auto whine-eraser. Then maybe they could spend some time and isk developing something that people aren't really bothered about. If I want to run around to do stuff I'll play WoW
Its probably worth mentioning that nobody ticks that button, because it also prevents ship spinning. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:52:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Emma Royd wrote:Seriously? I thought "Load Station Environment" was the first checkbox to get unticked everytime people re-installed the game. It adds nothing to the game as it is, and it's high time it was scrapped completely and save some server load. Surely CCP could have a poll or something for judging how many people want WiS or not, and then decide if it's worth pursuing. I'd love to see it but only at the end of a list of other important things in the game like pos revamp, corp roles revamp, total science and industry revamp, mining revamp, navy battlecruisers, forum auto whine-eraser. Then maybe they could spend some time and isk developing something that people aren't really bothered about. If I want to run around to do stuff I'll play WoW Its probably worth mentioning that nobody ticks that button, because it also prevents ship spinning.
Ship spinning is the most serious of bussinesses indeed.
I think the people saying WIS is a bad thing to add to the game make no sense, it wouldnt detract from the current game in any way and it would satisfy the people who are into it, which Im sure isnt a small minority. |
Goldiiee
Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts
306
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Posted - 2013.03.24 22:55:00 -
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No, dont take it away. I sit my avatar down in front of the big screen when I am waiting for a new incursion to spawn, watching the big screen, in my room, with my quafe, with my ship hologram... and I kinda like it, feels like home. :) Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..) |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
27
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Posted - 2013.03.25 00:24:00 -
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I don't believe CCP is able to do anything interesting in less than 3-5 years of work. Won't invest in the idea upfront.
However I'll purchase WiS if it will cost as usual game expansion ($50) and will have at least common halls + chat bubbles + station windows. Though actual gameplay could be nice too (exploration, PvE a-la ME2 or Defiance, clothing craft and loot maybe) |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
336
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:30:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Seriously? I thought "Load Station Environment" was the first checkbox to get unticked everytime people re-installed the game. It adds nothing to the game as it is, and it's high time it was scrapped completely and save some server load. Surely CCP could have a poll or something for judging how many people want WiS or not, and then decide if it's worth pursuing. I'd love to see it but only at the end of a list of other important things in the game like pos revamp, corp roles revamp, total science and industry revamp, mining revamp, navy battlecruisers, forum auto whine-eraser. Then maybe they could spend some time and isk developing something that people aren't really bothered about. If I want to run around to do stuff I'll play WoW
actually its the second after clicking the "only show launcher if there is an update" box.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
226
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Posted - 2013.03.25 06:35:00 -
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I can't see a kickstarter like that getting off the ground.
Besides, if CCP can afford to produce a second game, they can afford to come through on their promises with the money they have now. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
540
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Posted - 2013.03.25 06:46:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:I can't see a kickstarter like that getting off the ground.
Besides, if CCP can afford to produce a second game, they can afford to come through on their promises with the money they have now.
This guy gets it. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1368
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Posted - 2013.03.25 07:51:00 -
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Tarpedo wrote:I don't believe CCP is able to do anything interesting in less than 3-5 years of work. Won't invest in the idea upfront.
However I'll purchase WiS if it will cost as usual game expansion ($50) and will have at least common halls + chat bubbles + station windows. Though actual gameplay could be nice too (exploration, PvE a-la ME2 or Defiance, clothing craft and loot maybe)
Do you know why EVE expansions are free?
Case 1: because CCP is a loving, caring company who doesn't minds spending a helluvah time, money and resources just to give them up for your average buck
Case 2: because having a single server to handle multiple versions of the client at once would incur into development and compatibility issues that would escalate with each further expansion
Case 3: because EVE was released as a barely finished product and it needed continous expansions to get full functionality, and that started a consumer habit of getting content for free which CCP couldn't revert without suffering a serious loss of customers
Two of the above are right, the other isn't, and anyway those are the reasons why paid expansions are not likely to come in the foreseable future. Even a standalone spinoff WiS game is more likely to happen, maybe after WoD was released and got up to speed. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Tobey Darkness
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
11
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:17:00 -
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My vision for WiS is as follows: You click the door. You select the player you want to visit from a list. The other player who is in his CQ right now recieves a popup message. The other player clicks "accept" and you're spawned in his CQ.
Next step: Create a hall. You click the door. You select the hall. You're spawned next to a door in the hall.
Next step: Create bars and clubs. You click the door. you select the bar or the club. You're spawned next to a door in the bar or the club.
Too many players in one room? Make it instanced. Limit the player amount. It's not like there is only one hall or club in a station.
This can't be really that hard to make... Do you know what's really dumbing down eve? Graphics! If you really want a hardcoregame with a learning curve that even beats eve: Try bay12games.com/dwarves |
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Tiberius StarGazer
StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration
318
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:36:00 -
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Johnny Bloomington wrote:It's a shame that EVE has such small minded people when it comes to WIS. "It didn't work the first time so blah!" Whatever...
+1 from me on that, sometimes the level of cynicism on this forum for new ideas is somewhat shocking.
WIS for me would provide a level of player-player interaction that spaceships in space could ever provide and help cement the universe as something more than just stations and ships.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
That does look awesome :D |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
226
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:39:00 -
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Tobey Darkness wrote:My vision for WiS is as follows: You click the door. You select the player you want to visit from a list. The other player who is in his CQ right now recieves a popup message. The other player clicks "accept" and you're spawned in his CQ.
Next step: Create a hall. You click the door. You select the hall. You're spawned next to a door in the hall.
Next step: Create bars and clubs. You click the door. you select the bar or the club. You're spawned next to a door in the bar or the club.
Too many players in one room? Make it instanced. Limit the player amount. It's not like there is only one hall or club in a station.
This can't be really that hard to make...
I do believe the plan was originally to do something like that: Start with avatars in Inferno and then add quarters in Incarna (or was it the other way around; It's hard to keep track of what expansion added what sometimes), and then they planned to add more in station stuff later and then maybe ship interiors.
What happened was people got pissed that they couldn't leave to door and that no developments were made to adding new ships and space mechanics and the backlash caused CCP to overreact and effectively halt WiS production (as I understand it, there's a few devs working on related projects, but time hasn't been devoted in earnest so we aren't going to see much in the short term from those efforts).
We don't need a kickstarter, we just need to convince the devs to balance their focuses on WiS and FiS (flying in space), and now DUST integration rather than focusing on one aspect alone. |
Satsuki Izumi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.25 09:27:00 -
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I hope they will improve WIS feature in a near future, it's great for immersion, and EVE have the best avatar of all mmo. |
Castor Narcissus
Outerspace Vanguard
3
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Posted - 2013.03.25 09:41:00 -
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I'm sure if their new engine was easy to code with they would already have released something with the small team that was tasked to it.
But it they had to disband it, it means it's too much work just to make little things work properly without major game breaking bugs/glitchs. So what we can expect is that the WoD team improves the engine and makes it easier for WiS to move forward to eve.
Don't get me wrong, I really want a proper WiS in eve, but I want industry, pos and sov mechanics revamp/re-balance to have priority. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
226
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Posted - 2013.03.25 09:43:00 -
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I'm not sure how much is coding and how much amounts to what is essentially level design |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1311
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:36:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Its probably worth mentioning that nobody ticks that button, because it also prevents ship spinning.
There was actually a casual poll in GD that implicated half of Eve has CQ on, and the other half doesn't. Of the half that doesn't, they said they only didn't have it on for resource reasons. So if CCP put some time into resource management for the engine (plus the fact people are progressively upgrading hardware) then 3/4s of Eve would have it on. If you actually gave a purpose to the Avatar content stuff then you might even get some of the remaining quarter.
WiS (if it ever happens) could be used to drive CCP into a semi free to play model. If you payed per month for skill training and your pilots licence, then people who aren't playing could do in station stuff, and have to be shipped around by people who actually have their pilots licences. Imagine the grief from suicide ganking a space coach full of "freeby lovers" who can't pilot a ship themsevles. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
219
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:44:00 -
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Or .. or Why not the team who develop DUST just bring some Code to the matrix to open the door and make capsuleers Go on planets or Aboard Structures In space like scouting in Sleepers structures or abandonned structures , etc etc And make a Big HALL ( cantina ) per systems ( on the Temperate planet )
And why NOT one day on a temperate planet DUST Vs EVE in a FPS style RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3010
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:57:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:There was actually a casual poll in GD that implicated half of Eve has CQ on, and the other half doesn't. Of the half that doesn't, they said they only didn't have it on for resource reasons. So if CCP put some time into resource management for the engine (plus the fact people are progressively upgrading hardware) then 3/4s of Eve would have it on. If you actually gave a purpose to the Avatar content stuff then you might even get some of the remaining quarter. Wow, now that poll surely is representative!
In your mind, according to that post:
100% who did that poll represent 100% of GD, which represents 100% of the forums, which represents 100% of the playerbase.
Of 100%, 50% say yes and 50% say no. Of the 50% who say no, all say "x".
As 50% say "x", we only need to fix "x" and we reach a 100% agreement !
EPIC FACEPALM !
You can't seriously be taking this seriously. PLEASE have someone read out loud your own words for you, so you hopefully realize the nonsense you have written.
I really can't believe the lack of brains you display here !
(edit: the reason why i don't use CQ is because it's pointless having it. I'd love to have actual stations to walk through, play games with others or annoy them to hell, but the CQ alone adds no gameplay) |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
18
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:58:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Ok time to break out some maths.
500K sub base. Assuming average alt count is 4 equals 125K actual players. Assuming 3% of the playerbase cares about WiS enough to donate equals 3750 players. Assuming 0.1% of those are capable and willing to donate meaningful amounts equals about 4 people. Lets see, you'll need a dev team of about 5 people minimum if you want this in the next decade and assuming $62,000 USD per dev for their salary plus inter-corp support costs & entrepreneurial costs means it would cost about $620,000 per year to fund meaning you, as an individual, would have to donate $155,000 per year for WiS to work.
And then there's the whole topic of whether or not WiS could actually work beyond one avatar and a closet. Going by the beta test CCP forced upon it's playerbase I doubt most of them would be willing or able to purchase their own supercomputer to render hundreds of avatars in expansive environments.
The last tiem we had nubmers, the average alt acoutn was a bit over 2. Not even close to 4. So around 200k to 250k players. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1311
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:20:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Arduemont wrote:There was actually a casual poll in GD that implicated half of Eve has CQ on, and the other half doesn't. Of the half that doesn't, they said they only didn't have it on for resource reasons. So if CCP put some time into resource management for the engine (plus the fact people are progressively upgrading hardware) then 3/4s of Eve would have it on. If you actually gave a purpose to the Avatar content stuff then you might even get some of the remaining quarter. Wow, now that poll surely is representative! In your mind, according to that post: 100% who did that poll represent 100% of GD, which represents 100% of the forums, which represents 100% of the playerbase. Of 100%, 50% say yes and 50% say no. Of the 50% who say no, all say "x". As 50% say "x", we only need to fix "x" and we reach a 100% agreement ! EPIC FACEPALM ! You can't seriously be taking this seriously. PLEASE have someone read out loud your own words for you, so you hopefully realize the nonsense you have written. I really can't believe the lack of brains you display here ! (edit: the reason why i don't use CQ is because it's pointless having it. I'd love to have actual stations to walk through, play games with others or annoy them to hell, but the CQ alone adds no gameplay)
Hahaha. Listen, I know a terrible poll isn't a great indication of the truth. However, it is an indication. As it stands you have nothing to counter with. There's no need to be a **** about it. Go find some evidence to the contrary and come back, instead of just flapping your stupid virtual mouth.
Everyone knows that a poll is only truly representative of the people taking said poll. Duh. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3010
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:44:00 -
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You used data of a bull post to support whatever idea you had in mind (ready our own post) and now you come up with this.
It's still bull. No valueable data given. You can't even see that.
No point in talking to you, if you lack the ability to admit that you wrote bull. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1315
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:47:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:You used data of a bull post to support whatever idea you had in mind (ready our own post) and now you come up with this. It's still bull. No valueable data given. You can't even see that. No point in talking to you, if you lack the ability to admit that you wrote bull.
You can't see what isn't there. I can see that your an idiot though. Go read a good book on science. Bad Science is a good one. It even talks about some of the common flawed logic arguments people (read you) use. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3010
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:52:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Solstice Project wrote:You used data of a bull post to support whatever idea you had in mind (ready our own post) and now you come up with this. It's still bull. No valueable data given. You can't even see that. No point in talking to you, if you lack the ability to admit that you wrote bull. You can't see what isn't there. I can see that your an idiot though. Go read a good book on science. Bad Science is a good one. It even talks about some of the common flawed logic arguments people (read you) use. *lol* And again, there's nothing more to say except that you wrote bull, and displayed that you actually believed the bull you wrote.
Just *read* your post. ^_^ |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3010
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:59:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:There was actually a casual poll in GD that implicated half of Eve has CQ on, and the other half doesn't. Of the half that doesn't, they said they only didn't have it on for resource reasons.
Quote:So if CCP put some time into resource management for the engine (plus the fact people are progressively upgrading hardware) then 3/4s of Eve would have it on. A bullshit claim you make based on a bullshit poll which indicates nothing at all. "if CCP did" ... "people would have it on".
Quote:If you actually gave a purpose to the Avatar content stuff then you might even get some of the remaining quarter. An additional claim you make, also building on the crap you wrote in the first quote.
You're all definite there. Taking a bullshit poll (50% ... LOL) and making a claim based on that bullshit poll.
And you wanna tell me i'm stupid ?
Sure. %) |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1315
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:04:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Arduemont wrote:There was actually a casual poll in GD that implicated half of Eve has CQ on, and the other half doesn't. Of the half that doesn't, they said they only didn't have it on for resource reasons. Quote:So if CCP put some time into resource management for the engine (plus the fact people are progressively upgrading hardware) then 3/4s of Eve would have it on. A bullshit claim you make based on a bullshit poll which indicates nothing at all. "if CCP did" ... "people would have it on". Quote:If you actually gave a purpose to the Avatar content stuff then you might even get some of the remaining quarter. An additional claim you make, also building on the crap you wrote in the first quote. You're all definite there. Taking a bullshit poll (50% ... LOL) and making a claim based on that bullshit poll. And you wanna tell me i'm stupid ? Sure. %)
You might want to re-read the posts you just quoted. The words "if" and "might" comes up fairly often. Offended I called you stupid? If you can't take it you shouldn't be handing it out.
Also, what happened to this?
Solstice Project wrote: No point in talking to you, if you lack the ability to admit that you wrote bull.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Othran
Route One
460
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:10:00 -
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Since people are pulling "statistics" out of their arses here's some meaningless "statistics" from me :
Out of the people I know in Eve only one has CQ turned on and he's the only one interested in WiS. Everyone else thinks its a pile of crap and have it turned off for that reason. Nothing to do with "resources", its because they think its **** and has no place in the game.
If I wanted to walk around in a game then I have plenty of choice of games to play. |
Goldiiee
Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts
309
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:15:00 -
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I want WIS working like right frelling NOW! So I can put Solstice Project and Arduemont in a room and take bets on which one throws the first punch, not to mention side bets on who will bite the other guys ear first.
See WIS would be cool if it got funded and properly promoted ... similar to a vegas boxing match :) Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..) |
Goldiiee
Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts
310
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:21:00 -
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Othran wrote:Since people are pulling "statistics" out of their arses here's some meaningless "statistics" from me :
Out of the people I know in Eve only one has CQ turned on and he's the only one interested in WiS. Everyone else thinks its a pile of crap and have it turned off for that reason. Nothing to do with "resources", its because they think its **** and has no place in the game.
If I wanted to walk around in a game then I have plenty of choice of games to play. local/personal stats are just as useless as Forum Polls, I interact with 200 to 300 players a day and none of them are involved in PVP, so by that standard does that mean nobody does PVP.
I know at least for my part I alternate between the CQ and Hangar depending on what I am doing, and how bored I am with the background. Ships spinning has never interested me so I look for entertainment wherever I can when stuck in a station waiting.
Edit: yes I got your meaningless part but somehow dropped it in the copy paste :) Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced (But I still try..) |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2013.03.25 12:39:00 -
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Alot of you are missing what happened with WiS.
It has nothing to do with Incarna failing it has more to do with CCPs ambition not matching the ecology of contemporary mmo construction.
Incarna promised avatars and social spaces.(and they ignored the early calls of "we want a game not the sims").
So CCP did what it does best and set out to make the best avatars in the world.
And in that it was successful.
Speculation time:
The only problem is that somewhere in late development it is likely they finally realised that actually places like Jita and Amarr were social spaces would be most needed/useful/fun would just be impossible.
A single pod pilot avatar nearly melted computers on release. And that was only ONE avatar and an evironment. More than one avatar would probably have been all but impossible with the avaerge gamer machine.
CCP: WHOOPS
So I imagine the whole nex store bullshit was trying to salvage a big mistake, a directionless concept that was more about technical and financial ambition than making a fun game.
The problem is CCP are much less likely now to take risks, meaning that chances of WiS coming back in any form is marginal, even the cool DayZ type expansion shown at the moscow player meet. CCP are a business of very smart people, but for some reason every third year or so they always seem to lose sight of what they are doing by taking themselves too seriously as a "innovative software developer" and thier "groundbreaking technical achievements" and forgetting that they are infact a "games company" - can you imagine if Games Workshop blogged about the casting process instead of the next army they were releasing? (I remember stackless I/O and how they went on and on about it and most players were like "oh thats nice but what about space ships and las0rs?")
Anyway, I do want walking in stations to be developed, but as long as its a GAME and not an experiment in GUI engine design. And I wouldn't mind paying some money for it either (as long as it was an actual game). |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3010
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:00:00 -
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I admit this topic is sticky, so i keep going. ^_^
For what it's worth, let's get more detailed here. The poll is so bull, i just can't stand it. And your post is bull, because it's based on the crappy poll.
Anyway, what's *much more representative of reality*, without even having the need for numbers ...
Parts of the community ... ... don't use the CQ, because it's too draining on the resources. ... don't use it, because loading it takes too ******* long.* ... don't run/like it, because it doesn't add any actual content. ... simply hate it, for reasons i don't understand. ... hate it, simply because it's new/different.** ... have reasons against it which i can't think of now. (feel free to add)
*(that's different to "it uses too many resources". loading it != running it) **(big parts of these people usually adapt and accept new stuff, but have to whine about it beforehand anyway)
There's of course the whole group of people that wants it. (with their own very different reasons)
Every person that DOESN'T want WiS/CQ either is in one of the above, more of the above or/and some probably even in all of the above.
(a person in none of the above would run WiS/CQ)
Why i call your ... hypothesis ... bull is because the poll ... at best ... displays only a small, even tiny bit of reality, while your hypothesis makes it look like you'd believe that if these points were addressed, all could be fixed.
Let me try now.
To fix the WiS-issue, *at least* four points i can see *right now* have a need to be addressed. (which, very likely, incorporate a lot of work behind it)
.) Make it load FAST ! (docking/undocking with CQ is a pain!) .) Less resource-drain. .) Actual gameplay. .) Don't make it look like FiS falls short.
These aren't breathtaking new insights, but they address a big portion of the players.
> Those with lack of cpu/gpu-power. ("yay i finally can use it!") > Those who need to dock/undock fast. ("yay, less time wastage!") > Those who would want to use WiS/CQ but see no point. ("yay, there's finally a point to it!") > Those who use CQ anyway, ("yay, i can do more stuff now!") > Those who don't give a flying **** about it, because they want spaceships. ("yay, they still added stuff to FiS!")
In your post, you've said that if the resource-drain would be fixed, two thirds of the other fifty percent would suddenly start using CQ ... and adding actual content to it, would make the last third run it too.
Your post reduces all of the above mentioned parts of the community into two equally sized parts. Those who can't run it and those who don't "have enough content/see the point".
That's why i called it out. A bullshit poll leads to a bullshit post ... and on this forum, leads to people picking it up, writing even more bull.
I really used the word bull way too much. ^_^ |
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