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Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 1053	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:05:00 - [91] - Quote Winters Chill wrote: Incarna promised avatars and social spaces.(and they ignored the early calls of "we want a game not the sims"). Thing is, had CCP delivered The Sims in EVE, people would have been happy. As it is, they delivered only the character creation portion of The Sims, and nothing else. Naturally they got burned for it. But honestly, what's wrong with The Sims? You do know it is the best-selling PC game of all time, right? Not WoW, not CoD, and certainly not EVE. So the whole "we want a game, not the sims" is a crock. A complete and total crock. Plenty of people would have loved some avatar elements of The Sims in EVE universe - as long as it would eventually allow hunting down people hiding in stations and shooting them in the face. As far as I'm concerned, Incarnageddon had nothing to do with the expansion's actual content (or lack thereof), but rather a combination of CCP yet again failing to deliver, plus the greed letter, plus the cash shop with ludicrous prices in a paid MMO. These three things created a perfect storm. That is all.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3010	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:07:00 - [92] - Quote Jame Jarl Retief wrote: As far as I'm concerned, Incarnageddon had nothing to do with the expansion's actual content (or lack thereof), but rather a combination of CCP yet again failing to deliver, plus the greed letter, plus the cash shop with ludicrous prices in a paid MMO. These three things created a perfect storm. That is all. Plus the removal of one of the most loved "features" in the game. Ship spinning.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1316	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:16:00 - [93] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Stuff You really appear to have missed the point. I was talking about the number of people using the CQ. I quoted someone saying that no one used the CQ, and pointed out that wasn't true using a poll to back up my point. I simply pointed out that half of the people who took that poll and didn't use CQ, didn't use it because of high resources requirements/load times (I don't think making a distinction adds any value to the argument). So if you fixed that you would have more people using the CQ. I then stipulated that if you added content, the rest of them might use it. CQ, that is. Your the one generalising here. I never implied anything beyond the scope of the Captains Quarters. You mis-interpreted my post as trying to imply something else and then went on an insulting rant about how crap my post was when you never even understood it in the first place. Also, your still implying my stipulations are rubbish on the basis that they are based on a poll... Your then going on to make claims of your own *with no evidence to back it up at all. Your just making it up. Now, I am not saying there is no value in logical deductions. There is, but it is a lessor form of logic than actually checking your guesses in the real world. My guess* (and it is a guess, like everything else in science) is based on objective data. Yours, is without. Quote: Your post reduces all parts of the community into two equally sized parts. Those who can't run it and those who don't "have enough content/see the point". I did that because making the distinction between load times and resource management adds no value to the argument. Also, I simplified the statement. So? The point made, is still the same. Your post above may have more categories but it's still a vast simplification itself. There is a heavy dose of hypocrisy in all of your posts so far. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Winters Chill Ministry of War Amarr Empire 106	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:19:00 - [94] - Quote Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Thing is, had CCP delivered The Sims in EVE, people would have been happy. As it is, they delivered only the character creation portion of The Sims, and nothing else. Naturally they got burned for it. But honestly, what's wrong with The Sims? You do know it is the best-selling PC game of all time, right? Not WoW, not CoD, and certainly not EVE. So the whole "we want a game, not the sims" is a crock. A complete and total crock. Plenty of people would have loved some avatar elements of The Sims in EVE universe - as long as it would eventually allow hunting down people hiding in stations and shooting them in the face. As far as I'm concerned, Incarnageddon had nothing to do with the expansion's actual content (or lack thereof), but rather a combination of CCP yet again failing to deliver, plus the greed letter, plus the cash shop with ludicrous prices in a paid MMO. These three things created a perfect storm. That is all. Your right of course. However, I'm suggesting they actually couldn't physically deliver anything that would match the quality they put into the avatar portion of WiS simply because only a very small portion of players would have had a PC capable of rendering more than one avatar at a time. And by the time they realised this it was probably too late. After that; it was damage control II active.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 71	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:22:00 - [95] - Quote Red Teufel wrote: ccp Finnish what you started or no balls. Balls are for pussies anyways. -.- There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13380	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:29:00 - [96] - Quote Jame Jarl Retief wrote: As far as I'm concerned, Incarnageddon had nothing to do with the expansion's actual content (or lack thereof), but rather a combination of CCP yet again failing to deliver, plus the greed letter, plus the cash shop with ludicrous prices in a paid MMO. These three things created a perfect storm. That is all. That all depends on how you choose to slice it. It really could be condensed into GÇ£arroganceGÇ¥, but the details that make up that display are a couple more than just those thee points. Also, it depends on what you mean by GÇ£not the actual contentGÇ¥. Sure, if the alternate UI (which is all the CQ is) had been released as a single bulletpoint in a proper expansion, it might not have caused as many waves as it did, but since the content was at the very centre of the expansion hype, the fact that it lacked any content would have caused quite a stir even without the other failures surrounding its release. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 71	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:32:00 - [97] - Quote Tiberius StarGazer wrote: While yeah its resource hungry, if WIS has a development cycle of 2/3 years most PC's will be able to handle it quite well I believe. Not the PC's of eve players. if their 300 year old rigs can play excel and word at the same time every EVE player with a shred of dignity will be like "OMFG! o_O) MAH RIG CAN HAZ EXCEL AND WORD RUN AT TEh sAm3 timE! EVe shouldZ run p3rfeclty friggin buggy pi3cocrap!" There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3974	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:58:00 - [98] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: As long as I don't have to pay for that bullshit, sure. Were you in game when the Closed Door got released? If so, then you have already paid for it and in full. You just got delivered nothing but a pre-pre-pre alpha technology demo. WiS was not coded in spare hours, it took its canonical six months like all the other expansions and thus adsorbed the same (your too) money like all the other expansions. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Roisin Connor Born Imperialism Defiant Legacy 39	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:21:00 - [99] - Quote I just do not get guys that are not interested in WiS. Who would not want to explore a space station or wreck? Why would you not want to make Eve even better and more immersive? What is it with these guys that say its all about spaceships, when walking around in your character would still be about spaceships only ones you can see the outside of or flying outside through the bars Windows. I think it is some kind of macho prick relax now to put down WiS. It is very annoying now though as this game needs new off spaceship things in it.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3974	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:41:00 - [100] - Quote Roisin Connor wrote: I just do not get guys that are not interested in WiS. Who would not want to explore a space station or wreck? Why would you not want to make Eve even better and more immersive? What is it with these guys that say its all about spaceships, when walking around in your character would still be about spaceships only ones you can see the outside of or flying outside through the bars Windows. I think it is some kind of macho prick relax now to put down WiS. It is very annoying now though as this game needs new off spaceship things in it. Dissing WiS automatically makes the guy part of the elite, though EvE guys. It's just sheep behavior, nobody has the balls to say something that does not conform to the EvE canons that define "politically correct EvE player". I had a blast playing SWTOR, the only element missing is EvE's PvP. If only we could merge the two, have players actually land on the damn thousands EvE planets and explore them with those "gallente vehicles" and so on. Imagine the potential for crafing endless amounts of stuff for planets / wrecks / moons explorations, imagine something like an EvE "planetary incursion" where at the last room half the guy reveal to be mercs who backstab the other guys in the face and take everything. Endless PvP content, endless tears, endless crafted stuff. Yeah, playing first person in EvE would really suck Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 1236	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:50:00 - [101] - Quote Roisin Connor wrote: I just do not get guys that are not interested in WiS. Who would not want to explore a space station or wreck? Why would you not want to make Eve even better and more immersive? . You (and others) are making a lot of assumptions regarding what has been proposed by players vs. what CCP can (or will) actually deliver. And that's one of the big problems. Player expectations far exceed CCP's present capability both financially and technologically. if CCP could make multi-avatar interaction work (as expected) within the limits of their budget and technological capabilities, they would have done it. This is no different then the problem they have with their server node software not supporting more than 1 CPU. If they were capable of fixing it given the resources available, they would have. Maybe a kickstarter project should be created instead to subsidize replacing incompatible player hardware and operating systems? That is another glaring bottleneck in what is preventing CCP from delivering WIS in a form that even remotely meets baseline player expectations. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 233	Posted - 2013.03.25 20:15:00 - [102] - Quote Irya Boone wrote: Or .. or Why not the team who develop DUST just bring some Code to the matrix to open the door and make capsuleers Go on planets or Aboard Structures In space like scouting in Sleepers structures or abandonned structures , etc etc And make a Big HALL ( cantina ) per systems ( on the Temperate planet ) And why NOT one day on a temperate planet DUST Vs EVE in a FPS style Actually, one of the things that seemed to have been looked at by a few people at CCP was something just like that. They had a prototype for us being able to send combat clones to derelicts that were too difficult to salvage with shipboard equipment, but it leaves your ship vulnerable from you leaving it, and if more than one person wants that salvage, shooting may occur. Tippia wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: As far as I'm concerned, Incarnageddon had nothing to do with the expansion's actual content (or lack thereof), but rather a combination of CCP yet again failing to deliver, plus the greed letter, plus the cash shop with ludicrous prices in a paid MMO. These three things created a perfect storm. That is all. That all depends on how you choose to slice it. It really could be condensed into GÇ£arroganceGÇ¥, but the details that make up that display are a couple more than just those thee points. Also, it depends on what you mean by GÇ£not the actual contentGÇ¥. Sure, if the alternate UI (which is all the CQ is) had been released as a single bulletpoint in a proper expansion, it might not have caused as many waves as it did, but since the content was at the very centre of the expansion hype, the fact that it lacked any content would have caused quite a stir even without the other failures surrounding its release. Exactly. INcarna was supposed to be ALL about WiS, and all we got were captains quarters, so CCP essentially brought us one thing, and it didn't really have a point to it (since all you can do in CQ really, is sit), so there was massive backlash by players not wanting this one thing to come at the expense of everything else. THe problem is CCP has gone too far the other way, and WiS is back to being vaporware, because CCP is too scared of the hardliner FiS players to dare devote an actual team to WiS
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1380	Posted - 2013.03.27 08:00:00 - [103] - Quote My opinion since Incarna and after banging my head endless times against the Door, it's that WiS is beyond a horizon that keeps moving away from CCP. WiS is the issue that goes after SOV fixes, which are the issue that goes after modular POSes, which are the issue that goes after POS iteration. And the goal is just moving away and away. POS iteration has been dismantled and will be implemented across several expansions -but it was due this summer. Modular POSes, aka "POSes for the masses", plain don't have a development date and risk to follow WiS into shelving. Then SOV fixes, well, SOV mechanics are on the verge of collapse now, and their fixes are at least three expansions into the future: Odyssey to start fixing POSes, next one to keep fixing POSes and maybe start POS modularization, and a third one to finish modularization of POSes and start setting SOV fixes, and on the fourth, Summer 2015, yes, nullsec fixes. Or, shelve modular POSes and fix whatever is left of nullsec by summer 2014... Currently the only piece of space that somehow works is hisec, and it's not deemed to work for long nor serve any purpose in EVE. Lowsec is a healthy walking dead and nullsec is meeting its natural expiracy date; mechanics bound to kill themselves, eventually will kill themselves. So all in all, WiS is beyond the horizon... the horizon is moving away... and CCP can't catch up with it. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Mikhem Taxisk Unlimited 54	Posted - 2013.03.30 09:09:00 - [104] - Quote Mikhem wrote: I would be ready to pay full game price for WIS expansion if it was sold in stores. I think there should be poll that asks how many people are ready to do the same. WIS expansion could be free but there could also be boxed version out. It contains code that gives lots of aurum and only one code can be registered / account. That makes boxed version worth buying. Mikhem Before Retribution I was lonely guy. After Retribution Im now WANTED. Bee sound effect
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1324	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:05:00 - [105] - Quote Mikhem wrote: Mikhem wrote: I would be ready to pay full game price for WIS expansion if it was sold in stores. I think there should be poll that asks how many people are ready to do the same. WIS expansion could be free but there could also be boxed version out. It contains code that gives lots of aurum and only one code can be registered / account. That makes boxed version worth buying. If you were going to buy a boxed version you would want some kind of limited edition content. A load of aurum wouldn't really cut it. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Demica Diaz The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:23:00 - [106] - Quote How WiS was given to players was horrible. On top of that they launched NeX store same time. Now it has left bitter taste in many players mouths. Have it been done differently, less pushy way. I think community would be more lenient towards WiS. Overall I am big fan of seeing other players avatars and communicate with them in stations, perhaps ships but if it is planned to be done. It needs to not interfere with core game mechanics and that is spaceships in space. Developing WiS as "side" project would be better and when you finally get core WiS working then start adding new features. Lets hope CCP has not burried WiS but let us also hope they wont push it on us. About "kickstart"; I dont think it will work because of "bitter" taste that is left, so people wont be giving money and even if some would that wouldnt be enough to finish WiS as I think it will take a lot of resources to complete.
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 827	Posted - 2013.03.31 20:50:00 - [107] - Quote Honestly, while I still eventually hope to see WiS, it's just that. EVENTUALLY. I want to see POSes and various other issues get un****ed first, as they are far more important to FiS. Until then, CQ is off. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á
Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 389	Posted - 2013.03.31 20:55:00 - [108] - Quote If pilots could "dock" at wreck sites and go explore ruined ships and/or stations in space FOR LOOT and RARE stuff -- a whole lot of folks would be singing a very different tune about WIS. If there's no " ISK / hour " in an activity in this game, the vast majority have no interest in it. C'est la guerre. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
CENTUREAN Zervas Aeronautics Tribal Band 8	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:43:00 - [109] - Quote Does a concept video exist from ccp as to what WIS is? I'd like to see from ccp as to what WIS is supposed to be...ideally the full potential example of WIS. Does it exist? Because I have no idea what WIS is aside from random player comments.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1103	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:54:00 - [110] - Quote CENTUREAN wrote: Does a concept video exist from ccp as to what WIS is? I'd like to see from ccp as to what WIS is supposed to be...ideally the full potential example of WIS. Does it exist? Because I have no idea what WIS is aside from random player comments. Yes, what was used to tease everyone was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZRRPPw_QE What we got was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu4iekX3WE oh and a solitary confinement prison cell. HTFU!...for the children!
Tarpedo Incursionista 35	Posted - 2013.04.01 02:34:00 - [111] - Quote It seems CCP doesn't want our money. Meanwhile - purchased Deluxe ($99) + DLC ($30) for Defiance to get a piece of avatar-based sci-fi MMO.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1488	Posted - 2013.04.01 02:35:00 - [112] - Quote Lets rename it to what it's really going to be. Yiffing in stations.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 1371	Posted - 2013.04.01 03:01:00 - [113] - Quote Tarpedo wrote: It seems CCP doesn't want our money. Meanwhile - purchased Deluxe ($99) + DLC ($30) for Defiance to get a piece of avatar-based sci-fi MMO. Let me be the first to thank you for FPSing, emoting, and playing dress-up via micro-transactions elsewhere. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Stegas Tyrano GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy 326	Posted - 2013.04.01 03:02:00 - [114] - Quote CENTUREAN wrote: Does a concept video exist from ccp as to what WIS is? I'd like to see from ccp as to what WIS is supposed to be...ideally the full potential example of WIS. Does it exist? Because I have no idea what WIS is aside from random player comments. There is this Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts
mr ed thehouseofed Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 62	Posted - 2013.04.01 03:04:00 - [115] - Quote i still play earth and beyond (its still going just google it ) the wis in the game is what we need . interact with other players in the main hall, go thru one door to the market . go thru other door for npc missions, and its a 10 yr old game. its awesome fun. then head out to your ship for some more pewpew and it has monsters to shoot at. good fun.this is what i would like to see. real gamers only need one toon-á
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8396	Posted - 2013.04.01 06:13:00 - [116] - Quote Jack Carrigan wrote: Honestly, while I still eventually hope to see WiS, it's just that. EVENTUALLY. I want to see POSes and various other issues get un****ed first, as they are far more important to FiS. Until then, CQ is off. That's the point behind proposing a kickstarter project - to provide those additional resources. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8: Read about my platform here Please endorse my candidacy here
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 429	Posted - 2013.04.01 08:48:00 - [117] - Quote Paid expansions means fragmenting the game and that would mean eve will die... again. But in a way Eve is already fragmented, via Dust one could argue.
Cpt Tirel Tyrfing Industries Viro Mors Non Est 24	Posted - 2013.04.01 11:30:00 - [118] - Quote I would pay 100$ or more for a good WiS expansion, gief pls.
Nar Tha Hermit Exploration 0	Posted - 2013.04.01 11:43:00 - [119] - Quote I want establishments and bars with minigames!
Eisen Kern Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.04.01 11:50:00 - [120] - Quote I'd be open to any kickstarter to expand eve outside the standard expansion system. The good thing is backers can be rewarded in game for minimal cost by the devs leaving the vast majority of the funds for dev work and still encourage people to back it by giving rewards. Unique skinned ships, clothes, Utu's (yeah I want one ; p), cerebral accelerators, random faction reward tokens whatever, though care would need to be taken.

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