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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:02:00 -
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Question for the horribly uninformed, when do these events typically occur? |
Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
125
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:14:00 -
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Like others I am not too keen on the out come of this event being already decided, but I guess it doesn't really matter to much since I will be at work for it any way. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
54
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:39:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Octoven wrote:The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.
As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.
Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships. You can also only OB if you are in a Factional Warfare system. Luminaire is not a factional warfare system.
Isn't it actually fact that although this mechanic is true, Gallente FW characters have been spotted OB CP despite your reiteration here that its not possible for them to? Granted live events are scripted, but to allow Gallente to OB and Caldari not to only serves to present an unbalanced approach to a game where the devs are attempting to balance it.
As I understand it, live events were originally conceived of as a means to allow players to ban together in a quasi-unscripted manner to determine how the outcome would play out. For instance, Incursions. They were designed to allow players from any race or skill level to participate and have an equal chance at molding the outcome in their favor. Essentially what CCP has done here is an Anti-Live Event. What is happening is that CCP is once again placing game development mandates on a player base who fell in love with the player's role in the game....not the devs.
I had hoped the events of the Jita riots some time ago game Devs insights into what the players find acceptable and not. However, it seems they haven't learned at all. Caldari are going to lose, the titan will go down, and nothing anyone does on either side will stop that from happening....kind of a storyline buzz kill don't you think? The least CCP could do is force NPC navies to shoot each other as well. The Caldari are pretty much getting the ass end of this deal.
After the hit to Heavy missiles, nerfs to the viability of missiles in general, increasing armor tanking and leaving shields out to dry. This little stunt of the Caldari taking yet another hit doesn't surprise me at all. I used to fly Caldari, but ive been switching over to Amarr now since Caldari ships really are becoming crap.
This event is supposed to strengthen the playing relationship between eve and dust and yet it is only the gallente and minmatar who are gaining anything from this event. Thank you CCP for reasserting my point that the Caldari are becoming a dying race to play and will certainly be defeated tomorrow as well. I think I liked this game more when devs WERENT involved.
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
331
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:20:00 -
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Octoven, I entirely sympathize, but there are a few things you should know.
First, a new Dev (Falcon) got hired on, who used to be Gurista/Federation/Minnie aligned, or friends with those so aligned. He, and one or two others, are driving the current story. He's promised that things will change, however, not how things will change, and many RPers are pretty cynical by this point. So far, everything has been pretty anti-Caldari, which is not new.
Second, a CCP dev has already posted in this thread that they don't run events in such a way that players can change them from the ground up. So this event is pretty railroaded, but this has been true of events since Aurora.
Third, it's not just the Caldari who've been hit like this, a lot of Amarr RPers are pretty pissed as well.
Fourth, Caldari has always been the PvE race, and it hasn't been until fairly recently that some Caldari ships have become useful (Moa, etc). So we're actually doing better in terms of ships than ever before. We're still the worst race, but hey. Just don't train missiles, train hybrids. Missiles are almost always worthless, except for HAMs, rockets, and light missiles in a couple situations.
Fifth, CCP isn't interested in the Caldari and Amarr RP scene growing. CCP Falcon has already said that he thinks they are healthy (Eve fiction thread, may try to find it). I disagree, since I've been watching them fall out right and left, but CCP's focus is on growing the Minmatar and Gallente sides.
So, if I can offer some advice, your best bet is to stop caring about who wins, and what's going on, because if you rolled Caldari, you aren't going to get anything from CCP. Except, maybe, a kick in the teeth. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
79
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:31:00 -
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OMG the butthurt in this thread. I got the gist skimming a few posts. It's a ******* game guys. Why make yourselves mad over something you can't control. It's not like there won't be/haven't been some storyline events that Gallente won't like. That's really the very nature of "storyline". It's being written by an author. Do you get this mad reading a damn book and having characters die or whatever in them?
Anyway, so many people won't be able to participate in this crap regardless because we've all gone pie with the stupidity of plex mechanics and neutrals. So most of us can't attend and don't really care about this. I care way more about the warzone and the fights there. A canned "live event" is just that. It really shouldn't bother anyone either way tbh. Put some of that butthurt into having fun in warzone fights and forget about this thing. Don't ruin your rl health getting so wound up over it.
And CCP if you are going to fix anything pve and npc related how about fixing the stupid faction rat AI so that we can enter an enemy mission and not have our own rats blow us up for trying to kill the enemy missioner. Or how about having any neutral that comes into a plex get flagged for aggressing the faction of the dplexer so that rat will attack the neutral.
People attending this thing should just try to have fun if you can suspend your emotional "attachment" to the in-game factions. It's just a game, and this event is not really a contest the way the warzone pvp is, so why get all bent over it.
edit - are you all Damar alts? |
Drunken Bum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:46:00 -
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is there any write up that has ALL the info on this? Like when exactly, what exactly, why the hell it would interest me exactly, that sorta thing? Other than "OMG BIG STUFF AT LUMINAIRE!! BIIIIG STUFFFFF!" |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
56
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:49:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:OMG the butthurt in this thread. I got the gist skimming a few posts. It's a ******* game guys. Why make yourselves mad over something you can't control. It's not like there won't be/haven't been some storyline events that Gallente won't like. That's really the very nature of "storyline". It's being written by an author. Do you get this mad reading a damn book and having characters die or whatever in them? Anyway, so many people won't be able to participate in this crap regardless because we've all gone pie with the stupidity of plex mechanics and neutrals. So most of us can't attend and don't really care about this. I care way more about the warzone and the fights there. A canned "live event" is just that. It really shouldn't bother anyone either way tbh. Put some of that butthurt into having fun in warzone fights and forget about this thing. Don't ruin your rl health getting so wound up over it. And CCP if you are going to fix anything pve and npc related how about fixing the stupid faction rat AI so that we can enter an enemy mission and not have our own rats blow us up for trying to kill the enemy missioner. Or how about having any neutral that comes into a plex get flagged for aggressing the faction of the dplexer, loses faction standing, and that rat will attack the neutral. People attending this thing should just try to have fun if you can suspend your emotional "attachment" to the in-game factions. It's just a game, and this event is not really a contest the way the warzone pvp is, so why get all bent over it. edit - are you all Damar alts?
I believe my post was pretty calm; however, it seems you sir are the one getting butt hurt and mad over our protest of these incidents. Im sure if the tables were reverse you would be doing the same, game or not, players expect to play the game, not sit and look pretty for CCP to play the game for them.
CCP has always maintained this sorta of non-interference policy in the past to allow players to build the universe not CCP Devs, and over the last few years that has changed. To be honest I do not believe devs should be doing live events in the first place. Let us play the game...not observe it >.> |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4466
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:56:00 -
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I will tell you one thing, most of the dust 514 community wants to kill Heth, even the caldari loyalist are saying such stating it would be best for the state.
Amarrians loyalist bunnies are oddly the only ones trying to fight for Heth.
Either way Gallente is building something massive on the ground.
As for the whole story ordeal... you just have to realize that just sometimes... there is absolutely nothing you can do to change something. I mean that hamburger you ate. Yeah some one killed a cow for it, and you not buying it is not going to magically bring that cow back to life and all and you being vegan wouldn't have changed it either, and if you likely where to have tried some sort of terrorist attack to save the cow they would still killed the cow or put it out of its misery depending on how much misery you put the poor creature though.
Also if the Gallente do bring in the proto-titans... I don't see the leviathan surviving an onslaught from that and its escorts while getting hammered from the surface. Maybe if the caldari did not insist on putting the titan in low orbit things would be different but I am quite sure cynos and jump portals are a big no no in atmo.
Overall most of you should be happy, this is probably the largest story changing event we actually get to take part in instead of it happening so conversely during down time.
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
333
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:15:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I will tell you one thing, most of the dust 514 community wants to kill Heth, even the caldari loyalist are saying such stating it would be best for the state.
Amarrians loyalist bunnies are oddly the only ones trying to fight for Heth.
Either way Gallente is building something massive on the ground.
Well, CCP has been running "Caldari suck and are *****" and "Amarr are evil child-molesting religious slavers" stories for, uh, let's see, about the past five years, whether the Caldari and Amarr won, or lost. And when DUST was introduced, the first thing they made sure to do was to run a massive campaign with the Caldari trying to kill all of the players. I'm surprised there are any dusties left on anything but the Minnie/Gal sides. There are certainly precious few Caldari or Amarr RPers anymore, compared to what there used to be.
And why would someone want to join the Amarr or Caldari? At this point it is very clear that our only purpose is to be the whipping boy for CCP and Minnie/Gal/Guristas players to look good beating. If anyone RPing on the Caldari or Amarr side has any self-respect left, they'll quit.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
57
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:26:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Octoven, I entirely sympathize, but there are a few things you should know.
First, a new Dev (Falcon) got hired on, who used to be Gurista/Federation/Minnie aligned, or friends with those so aligned. He, and one or two others, are driving the current story. He's promised that things will change, however, not how things will change, and many RPers are pretty cynical by this point. So far, everything has been pretty anti-Caldari, which is not new.
Second, a CCP dev has already posted in this thread that they don't run events in such a way that players can change them from the ground up. So this event is pretty railroaded, but this has been true of events since Aurora.
Third, it's not just the Caldari who've been hit like this, a lot of Amarr RPers are pretty pissed as well.
Fourth, Caldari has always been the PvE race, and it hasn't been until fairly recently that some Caldari ships have become useful (Moa, etc). So we're actually doing better in terms of ships than ever before. We're still the worst race, but hey. Just don't train missiles, train hybrids. Missiles are almost always worthless, except for HAMs, rockets, and light missiles in a couple situations.
Fifth, CCP isn't interested in the Caldari and Amarr RP scene growing. CCP Falcon has already said that he thinks they are healthy (Eve fiction thread, may try to find it). I disagree, since I've been watching them fall out right and left, but CCP's focus is on growing the Minmatar and Gallente sides.
So, if I can offer some advice, your best bet is to stop caring about who wins, and what's going on, because if you rolled Caldari, you aren't going to get anything from CCP. Except, maybe, a kick in the teeth.
Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire? |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
333
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:33:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire?
It doesn't matter whether they are dyed in the wool fanboys or not, though it looks that way. What matters is what they've done. It didn't start with the CP event, and it won't end with it. They've said they were going to "change things" before, and every time they do that, they have another event or storyline that goes after the Caldari and/or Amarr. Form your own conclusions.
But it's pretty clear that continuing to RP Caldari is basically asking to be CCP's punching bag. Why someone would like that is beyond me. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
174
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:35:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Octoven wrote:Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire? It doesn't matter whether they are dyed in the wool fanboys or not, though it looks that way. What matters is what they've done. It didn't start with the CP event, and it won't end with it. They've said they were going to "change things" before, and every time they do that, they have another event or storyline that goes after the Caldari and/or Amarr. Form your own conclusions. But it's pretty clear that continuing to RP Caldari is basically asking to be CCP's punching bag. Why someone would like that is beyond me. So.... The entire Black Eagles plot line that has Gallente shooting Gallente is going after the Caldari? Really...... I'm amazed at you guys, you claim to be RP'ers and better than other MMO players. Yet you whine worse than WoW players. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
333
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:47:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: So.... The entire Black Eagles plot line that has Gallente shooting Gallente is going after the Caldari? Really...... I'm amazed at you guys, you claim to be RP'ers and better than other MMO players. Yet you whine worse than WoW players.
You mean that plotline that's basically two posts that got buried right away? The one where a couple soldiers killed another couple soldiers? Oh my, how horrible. What were the Caldari reported to be doing at the time? Oh, right, mass killings of civilians on Caldari Prime. And that's like, one of two negative stories on the Gallente in the last three years. I can't count the number of negative ones on the Caldari.
It might also be noted that nothing that the Federation does that is bad ever matters. It's like one person here or two people there, and they always have a justification for it. The few exceptions are natural disasters, but everyone gets those stories.
But when everyone is getting into DUST? Yeah, that's when they make sure that no one will want to sign up on the Caldari side for the next five years. |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:50:00 -
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If James 315 and others can get over 50K-100K capsuleers to attack CONCORD stations and ships during this crisis...will that be newsworthy enough of a grassroots rebellion in concert with this event to accelerate roleplaying the fall of CONCORD everywhere except around rookie systems? |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:57:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: So.... The entire Black Eagles plot line that has Gallente shooting Gallente is going after the Caldari? Really...... I'm amazed at you guys, you claim to be RP'ers and better than other MMO players. Yet you whine worse than WoW players.
You mean that plotline that's basically two posts that got buried right away? The one where a couple soldiers killed another couple soldiers? Oh my, how horrible. What were the Caldari reported to be doing at the time? Oh, right, mass killings of civilians on Caldari Prime. And that's like, one of two negative stories on the Gallente in the last three years. I can't count the number of negative ones on the Caldari. It might also be noted that nothing that the Federation does that is bad ever matters. It's like one person here or two people there, and they always have a justification for it. The few exceptions are natural disasters, but everyone gets those stories. But when everyone is getting into DUST? Yeah, that's when they make sure that no one will want to sign up on the Caldari side for the next five years.
Hey I think its just a few folk who can't figure out that those stories are about political power shifting back to warhawks in both Empires. That is the true power holders of both sides (Caldari and Gallente) want war and there were a few peace chickens standing in the way on each side that had to be swept out of the way first.
That internal strife and preparation is now over and both Empires are ready for some serious war until its just knives left. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:33:00 -
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[10:16:17] Aquila Shadow > Deerin falcon came on and said everyone in system will get a suspect flag
If that's true, you just ruined any chance of this being an actual live event. You just made it a FFA killfest which will do nothing to help EVE story or Live Events. I'm REALLY hoping they are wrong, I really want to believe that there are those in CCP who see the lore and story of the game as more than something to get 2000 players in a system shooting each other for no reason other than they can.
I will sit back and wait now but today will be the day that shows me if CCP are interested in story and the RP community or keeping the mass population of KM-whoring morons happy. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
41
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:34:00 -
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Turelus wrote:[10:16:17] Aquila Shadow > Deerin falcon came on and said everyone in system will get a suspect flag
If that's true, you just ruined any chance of this being an actual live event. You just made it a FFA killfest which will do nothing to help EVE story or Live Events. I'm REALLY hoping they are wrong, I really want to believe that there are those in CCP who see the lore and story of the game as more than something to get 2000 players in a system shooting each other for no reason other than they can.
I will sit back and wait now but today will be the day that shows me if CCP are interested in story and the RP community or keeping the mass population of KM-whoring morons happy.
Bah, I guess that's the only thing we can do for now, sit back, relax, watch the fireworks and see how it goes.
Verone seems to be set on his path so all we can do is hope that caldari / amarr will get some "awesome cinematic events" as well. |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:04:00 -
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As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
280
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:12:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now)
Wait, what? I thought this......
CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
....meant this wasn't possible. Who is telling fibs? |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
986
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:14:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) Wait, what? I thought this...... CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
....meant this wasn't possible. Who is telling fibs?
War on the impossible ;) There will be 1 spawn of 4 NPCs that can easily be taken care of but the further spawns after the initial have been disabled. Hope this makes things a bit clearer and I hope to see some Caldari FW pilots defending their titan. CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
297
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:15:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote: CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now
Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
Intex Encapor
22
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:19:00 -
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ccp actually doing smth right, that's kinda new |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:27:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) Wait, what? I thought this...... CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
....meant this wasn't possible. Who is telling fibs? No-one was telling fibs. Falcon was going by what I originally told him. Since then I found a way to make some changes just for this event. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Xray Nova
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:29:00 -
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check contracts in luminaire for a gank thrasher package. 162 t1 thrashers with fittsing sof rgank arty, dual sebo + long point, or triple sebo for fast locking pod killers.
500M, works out to +3M/thrasher. go gogogogogogogo |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:32:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply:
DISABLED: Faction Navy.
The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions.
NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD.
The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions
CONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Marcus Elius
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:37:00 -
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That kinda sucks, most people who've been doing FW have naturally low security status due to having to engage suspicious neutrals in losec, so they're still disproportionally banned from the event. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
83
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:47:00 -
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And again total fail by CCP. Nullsec peeps have the possibility to not kick their sec status. FW pilots WILL kick their sec status due to living in low sec and dealing with pirates every day. That means most people from fw can-¦t participate. Fail fail fail. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
98
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:51:00 -
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I guess the lesson here is: If you want to be a part of Hi-Sec shenanigans, don't be evil. Cause, effect, etc... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝ ...end transmission... |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
83
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:54:00 -
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Quote:I guess the lesson here is: If you want to be a part of Hi-Sec shenanigans, don't be evil. Cause, effect, etc...
I think you have absolutely no clue^^ Fighting pirates= loosing sec status. Sorry that you are not common to pvp. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
743
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:56:00 -
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Not sure why Nullsec should have sec issues, it's not like you lose anything shooting out there.
Still the announcement was yesterday, people have taken the time to rat up their sec status back to over -2.0. If you haven't then your loss. /shrug
EVE has consequences, enjoy! Enjoy your gaming.
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