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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:41:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
No, there are only consequences for Caldari players. As usual, CCP runs things for the benefit of Minmatar and Gallente players, and arranges things to where no one will want to join any but those factions.
Caldari and Amarr players would be better off if the CCP storyline department was fired and permanently closed. It's just a collection of Gallente/Minmatar/Guristas fanbois now. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:47:00 -
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All I can hope for is that this is a Live Event that is more of a show, something to watch, rather than actively decide the outcome on. Because it would be a real kick in the nuts to those who've fought in FW for 5 years to really have no part in what occurs (due to sec status and standings). It also wouldn't be fair if one TZ basically came along and decided it.
So here's me hoping that this is actually more of a movie we get to watch than something capsuleers decide. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:48:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. No, there are only consequences for Caldari players. As usual, CCP runs things for the benefit of Minmatar and Gallente players, and arranges things to where no one will want to join any but those factions. Caldari and Amarr players would be better off if the CCP storyline department was fired and permanently closed. It's just a collection of Gallente/Minmatar/Guristas fanbois now.
Look at the hard hitting corps on the Gallente side - we're pretty much barred due to sec status.
Look at a few top killing Gallente corps from here:
http://evewho.com/faction/
http://evewho.com/corp/Quantum+Cats+Syndicate <- -4.5 avg http://evewho.com/corp/Spiritus+Draconis <- -5.0 avg
even xmeta is -1.2, and that's an average, so you could easily expect half their members not to be able to enter either.
Plus, on the whole Ev0ke since they just came from nullsec have a positive sec http://evewho.com/alli/Ev0ke
So really, if you look at timezone dominance and sec status, the Caldari have a much easier time coming to this event (Last I heard there was a 10 spawn cap right? If I'm wrong, excuse my ignorance I don't go into high sec). |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:00:00 -
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chatgris wrote:So really, if you look at timezone dominance and sec status, the Caldari have a much easier time coming to this event (Last I heard there was a 10 spawn cap right? If I'm wrong, excuse my ignorance I don't go into high sec).
I'm fairly sure that that's been patched, based on reports I've heard. And this is going down mainly in OZ TZ, IIRC, so fewer people from either side can make it. Anyway, it's not like most Caldari have super great sec status either, so I don't know why you bring that up. OTOH, if you really want to be there as Gallente, you could rat it up fairly quickly. I've done it before. Can't do that with negative faction standings like the Caldari have.
It doesn't matter anyway, because almost no one is going to show up to prevent something big from blowing up. You'll have people coming from null-sec to kill a Titan. |
Shahai Shintaro
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
9
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:06:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled. |
roy oakes
Pimebeka Industrial Mining Productions Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:24:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event? Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event.
so we in non fw corps can still come and shoot stuff? |
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CCP Maiden Steel
C C P C C P Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:34:00 -
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This is going to be epic, I can't wait! |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:36:00 -
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roy oakes wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event? Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event. so we in non fw corps can still come and shoot stuff?
In general, you only can't come if you are a Caldari loyalist with usually associated low Gallente standings. If you have low sec status, you can probably rat it up if you start now. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:38:00 -
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Shahai Shintaro wrote: When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.
They don't. As has been noted, they've already created the map with the crashed Titan, and they've been planning this for months. To believe that CCP has any intention of anyone but the Gallente and Minmatar winning is giving them far too much credit, especially in view of past actions. The Caldari and Amarr factions exist to be the punching bags of the developer's mary sue factions.
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Intex Encapor
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:41:00 -
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well verone doing an event that has a positive outcome for caldari would be kinda weird. |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:44:00 -
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Intex Encapor wrote:well verone doing an event that has a positive outcome for caldari would be kinda weird.
Indeed. |
Arthay
8
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:44:00 -
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So this mean if the titan goes down, we will lose our home planet again and this time to some 'rebels' ? What will happen if one off the other 2 empires shows up and winns the battle, will the luminaire sov then go over to them?
Edit: Is there still time to evacuate our civlians? last time we could get some out (Day of Darkness II) Veld for the Veld God!
If you find any misspelling or grammar errors, your allowed to keep them. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:08:00 -
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Arthay wrote:So this mean if the titan goes down, we will lose our home planet again and this time to some 'rebels' ? What will happen if one off the other 2 empires shows up and winns the battle, will the luminaire sov then go over to them? Edit: Is there still time to evacuate our civlians? last time we could get some out ( Day of Darkness II)
Luminaire Sove isn't going anything but Gallente. This "battle" is over Caldari Prime, the planet. If someone else were to "win", then things would stay as they are now, until CCP has players take another go at it. Eventually, someone will take it down.
But no one but the Gallente will win, because almost no one who has been working for the other sides can be in Luminaire without getting insta-popped by faction navy and police spawns. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
744
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:25:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised if Amarr & Minitmar Navies get sucked in to this free for all in Luminare Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
744
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:26:00 -
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Goliath you got your DEV tag back Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:52:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Goliath you got your DEV tag back
\o/ CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Eunice Huang
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:56:00 -
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I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon. |
mkint
969
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:11:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. the epic showdown between caldari and gallente and caldari aren't allowed to show up? you're right, I can't see why anybody would have a problem with that. especially not when the whole point is to convince the world that dust isn't pointless at some big video game convention. dust players are not real eve players. all they've done is lower the average iq in eve. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:29:00 -
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The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1081
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:35:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
363
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:36:00 -
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Sincerely hope that the event is reinforced to the max, and then some.
Not going to be much fun if nodes keep crashing and the TiDi is glacial.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
4532
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:36:00 -
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chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.
Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:45:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
IOW, "we told you that you needed to support your faction in FW. We promised real consequences for factions when they won or lost. Now you silly Caldari have gone and done as we suggested, so we get to screw you over!" |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1422
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:47:00 -
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Eunice Huang wrote:I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon. Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh. I'm going to go sightseeing. Luminaire is most certainly a good sight-seeing destination, more so now than ever. You should also visit the Ishukone station in Malkalen and the CONCORD station in Yulai. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
28
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:51:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
Just because of that comment players should screw your plans and those Galentean bastards as well and rep the titan like there is no tomorrow ...
You should at least give the Caldari a fighting chance to influenxe the outcome, otherwiese you may as well just hit the self destruct on that thing and say some rtard had his glory moment .... |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:58:00 -
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Isbariya wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet. Just because of that comment players should screw your plans and those Galentean bastards as well and rep the titan like there is no tomorrow ... You should at least give the Caldari a fighting chance to influenxe the outcome, otherwiese you may as well just hit the self destruct on that thing and say some rtard had his glory moment .... If by some chance someone has a Carrier in that system from times long gone, i'll pay 50b if you show up in a triage fit and rep that titan
If someone does, they had better not do that, because CCP will just move their carrier to lowsec, and it will lose all it's value.
I get that you're annoyed, I am too, but this is predetermined by CCP, and we're gonna get steamrolled no matter what. No reason to lose more than that. Smart Caldari and Amarr loyalists won't be anywhere near Caldari Prime tomorrow, because this event, for us, is basically an invitation from CCP to come get blown up so they can get their rocks off. Best policy is to blueball them. |
Name Lips
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:09:00 -
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I'm still not exactly clear what the arrival of the mercs really means for me as a capsuleer.
Can I sell them stuff? |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
49
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:23:00 -
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Shahai Shintaro wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.
I agree on this matter, Gallente Militia shouldnt need worry about caldari NPC forces and same with Caldari Militia with Gallente NPC forces. Let them fight each other while dusties fight on the ground. This is not a NPC game, it is a player empowered game. If CCP is unwilling or unable to disable NPCs...fine but it will be certainly the equivalent of saying **** off players. I mean from my understanding they are wanting to enhance and build FW and even though this event is geared toward a focus for the Dust EVE link, they are essentially giving players a reason to leave FW. If anything FW players should be there more so then out of FW players. I mean this is after all a war between the two factions.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
49
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:25:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
So you have already asserted the outcome and who will win...remind me again why players should feel the need to participate and side with a losing side? |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
33
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:26:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
So what you're saying is that the gal/min get yet another highly publicised "victory" handed to them because CCP Falcon says so?
LOL
GG CCP, although winning your own game with devtools must get kind of boring after a while, huh? |
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