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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.03.20 21:59:00 -
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Capsuleers,
For five years a wall of Caldari steel has sat in orbit of the besieged planet of Caldari Prime. The Gallente who still reside there cower in its shadow, held to ransom on the whim of Caldari State Executor, Tibus Heth.
Soon, it will be time for you to show your worth, and display your prowess on the battlefield. You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden.
A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden.
You can read more about the storm that is brewing here.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3405
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:04:00 -
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CCP Zulu is a huge RP nerd CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Zuzmaw
33 RD Rebel Alliance of New Eden
3
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:07:00 -
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awsm |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:11:00 -
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Probably the most excited I've been in EVE since ever. |
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
50
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:13:00 -
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two mins before the end of my show ..... oh well content for next week :) Live on Eve Radio Wednesdays 20:00 GMT with me & friends blabbering on about Eve and stuff-áFollow me on twitter http://twitter.com/WigglesGRN, like me on facebook http://facebook.com/wigglesGRN or check out my blog http://wiggles.gamingradio.net/blog
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1811
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:15:00 -
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Will this live event have any actual impact on who controls the system? Could the system changes hands from Gallente to Caldari? Or is this a static event with no repercussions on the game? Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Jasmin Soulscream
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:16:00 -
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
174
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:21:00 -
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I don't have enough ships...... Need moar ships.... also need sleep but will miss it for this. Damn you CCP making it right when I should be sleeping! |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
433
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:22:00 -
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Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
90
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:23:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event?
Very good point. "BATTLE FOR CALDARI PRIME" (Caldari need not apply) |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:23:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event?
CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention.
At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother.
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Jasmin Soulscream
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:27:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother.
Does that mean people in Caldari Miltia be able to turn up and help or will they just die? |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
90
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:28:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother.
Yeah, they can shoot eachother. But they've always been able to shoot eachother ever since Militia got implemented. That is not the problem. The problem is the same problem at the Algogille gate. Gallente Loyalists show up and defend Gallente interests. Caldari Loyalists show up and get shot down by NPC's before being able to make any sort of difference. |
Darien Antilles
The Providers Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:29:00 -
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Quote:If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC).
...unless you actually have a job that precludes it. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
90
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:33:00 -
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Darien Antilles wrote:Quote:If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC). ...unless you actually have a job that precludes it.
Sadly there is no one time that works for everyone. Sorry. =/ |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
295
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:33:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother. So yes or no will Federation Navy NPC's designed for low standings and FW be turned off? If not the entire Caldari Militia and those who most want to actually aid the Titan instead of "woman-who-sell-her-body" onto a potential Killmail wont be able to help.
This was one of the things I posted in the thread when the idea of this battle was first started, with current game mechanics the most loyal to the State can't go in and aid them because it's a 1.0 system spawning NPC Battleships which neut you out in short time and have crazy DPS. There are also the issues with Aggression Mechanics now meaning aiding anyone in Empire makes your entire logistics fleet Suspects. It's somewhat frustrating to be on the side which is pretty much destined to lose this battle because on top being in the minority (The ones who don't want to help kill a Titan) we're faced with game mechanics fully designed to keep us out of the event system. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
174
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:42:00 -
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Turelus wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother. So yes or no will Federation Navy NPC's designed for low standings and FW be turned off? If not the entire Caldari Militia and those who most want to actually aid the Titan instead of "woman-who-sell-her-body" onto a potential Killmail wont be able to help. This was one of the things I posted in the thread when the idea of this battle was first started, with current game mechanics the most loyal to the State can't go in and aid them because it's a 1.0 system spawning NPC Battleships which neut you out in short time and have crazy DPS. There are also the issues with Aggression Mechanics now meaning aiding anyone in Empire makes your entire logistics fleet Suspects. It's somewhat frustrating to be on the side which is pretty much destined to lose this battle because on top being in the minority (The ones who don't want to help kill a Titan) we're faced with game mechanics fully designed to keep us out of the event system.
Chances are there will be Titans on both sides, make sure people are aware of this fact and you will get your own share of the people wanting to kill a titan. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4465
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:43:00 -
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The mercs are getting ready
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64950&find=unread
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Intex Encapor
16
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:59:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother. So yes or no will Federation Navy NPC's designed for low standings and FW be turned off? If not the entire Caldari Militia and those who most want to actually aid the Titan instead of "woman-who-sell-her-body" onto a potential Killmail wont be able to help. This was one of the things I posted in the thread when the idea of this battle was first started, with current game mechanics the most loyal to the State can't go in and aid them because it's a 1.0 system spawning NPC Battleships which neut you out in short time and have crazy DPS. There are also the issues with Aggression Mechanics now meaning aiding anyone in Empire makes your entire logistics fleet Suspects. It's somewhat frustrating to be on the side which is pretty much destined to lose this battle because on top being in the minority (The ones who don't want to help kill a Titan) we're faced with game mechanics fully designed to keep us out of the event system. Chances are there will be Titans on both sides, make sure people are aware of this fact and you will get your own share of the people wanting to kill a titan.
quite hard for the caldari rpers with bad gallente standings(read all that take it seriously). current faction navies aren't the joke the used to be anymore, combined with agression mechanics its pretty much impossible to participate in an event in a gallente high sec.
guess thats what people are concerned about. |
Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
6
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:00:00 -
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\o/ Time for my minmatar corp mates to hate me for firing on TS-F if they go fight for the caldari on friday Caldari! |
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
310
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:20:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother. this is going to be some thing where we have to join premade corps isn't it
if it is you should probably advertise that because otherwise anyone with corp roles won't know to drop them and will be locked out Technetium Lord |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
237
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:30:00 -
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Will PAX East guys be able to participate in this in a unique way? Hey, as a dude that lives in lowsec, you should read my idea on how to "fix" it... in Blog format, complete with a spreadsheet! http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-to-buff-lowsec.html |
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CCP Falcon
2517
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:54:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:this is going to be some thing where we have to join premade corps isn't it
No, it's not. CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
314
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:00:00 -
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Turelus wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother. So yes or no will Federation Navy NPC's designed for low standings and FW be turned off? If not the entire Caldari Militia and those who most want to actually aid the Titan instead of "woman-who-sell-her-body" onto a potential Killmail wont be able to help. This was one of the things I posted in the thread when the idea of this battle was first started, with current game mechanics the most loyal to the State can't go in and aid them because it's a 1.0 system spawning NPC Battleships which neut you out in short time and have crazy DPS. There are also the issues with Aggression Mechanics now meaning aiding anyone in Empire makes your entire logistics fleet Suspects. It's somewhat frustrating to be on the side which is pretty much destined to lose this battle because on top being in the minority (The ones who don't want to help kill a Titan) we're faced with game mechanics fully designed to keep us out of the event system.
That's sort of intentionally designed. CCP also ran an event (Heth killign Dusties) to alienate the Dusties from defending the Caldari. There's no possible means for the Caldari to win this as currently set up, it's on tracks. Enjoy. |
Funless Saisima
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
18
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:11:00 -
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The titan crashes. |
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CCP Falcon
2517
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:14:00 -
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To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:16:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:That's sort of intentionally designed. CCP also ran an event (Heth killing Dusties) to alienate the Dusties from defending the Caldari.
If you actually bother following the news, you'll see that all 4 empires are in the process, or have been through a purging of mercenary enclaves.
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:17:00 -
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YAY!!!!
Caldari titan is going DOWN!!!
BURN New Eden!!!
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
730
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:24:00 -
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lol soundz like my Caldari Faction status may be going down the crapper after I find myself bringing down the Luminaire Titan and its associated sec status hit Is that more then a 3% faction status hit for bringing down an NPC Titan? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
682
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:32:00 -
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So call me Eve-ignorant...
... but I thought that the Gallente drove the caldari off Caldari Prime after the Original Gallante-Caldari War.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Breakout_(Chronicle)
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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 00:37:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Turelus wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Question - Will you be disabling the FW and sec status NPCs in Luminaire for this event? CONCORD and the navies will still be on the prowl for those who choose to breach the Yulai Convention. At the same time, trust me, you'll be able to shoot at eachother. So yes or no will Federation Navy NPC's designed for low standings and FW be turned off? If not the entire Caldari Militia and those who most want to actually aid the Titan instead of "woman-who-sell-her-body" onto a potential Killmail wont be able to help. This was one of the things I posted in the thread when the idea of this battle was first started, with current game mechanics the most loyal to the State can't go in and aid them because it's a 1.0 system spawning NPC Battleships which neut you out in short time and have crazy DPS. There are also the issues with Aggression Mechanics now meaning aiding anyone in Empire makes your entire logistics fleet Suspects. It's somewhat frustrating to be on the side which is pretty much destined to lose this battle because on top being in the minority (The ones who don't want to help kill a Titan) we're faced with game mechanics fully designed to keep us out of the event system. That's sort of intentionally designed. CCP also ran an event (Heth killing Dusties) to alienate the Dusties from defending the Caldari. There's no possible means for the Caldari to win this as currently set up, it's on tracks. Heck, they already have a test map with the Leviathan crashed on CP. Enjoy.
hmmm... i see some ppl already have their excuses already made come Saturday morning..
and you are CALDARI...
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Deal with it!
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Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Gangsters And Gentlemen Silent Ascension
21
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:06:00 -
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Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event? For the love of EvE, STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS. Be constructive or GTFO. |
MrBawkbagawk
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:13:00 -
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should we assume then that 5 years is how long it takes for CCP to get off its hands and remember plot points? does this mean we will be seeing some advances in worm hole lore next year? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
427
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:19:00 -
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So basically - a large percentage of, if not most of, the active pvpers for Caldari and Gallente have a security status that does not allow them to participate in this event in Luminaire.
Additionally, it's possibly being decided by a Console FPS. (That is still in beta I might add)
Great :( |
roy oakes
Pimebeka Industrial Mining Productions Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:24:00 -
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im guessing this is just for fw toons? id really love to get in on some this dust bombing |
mkint
967
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:29:00 -
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hooray, eve players being sidelined in their own game so some console tards can blow up a titan, removing one of the most interesting landscape features in the game. squeee Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
732
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:29:00 -
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Will the system's node be reinforced or do I have to fill out the large fleet battle form? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
314
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:29:00 -
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chatgris wrote:So basically - a large percentage of, if not most of, the active pvpers for Caldari and Gallente have a security status that does not allow them to participate in this event in Luminaire.
Additionally, it's possibly being decided by a Console FPS. (That is still in beta I might add)
Great :(
Hey, at least you aren't also barred from the system by FW status. Most Caldari FW'ers are also in FW corps, and there's no way they can leave in time by Friday afternoon (resign roles: 24 hours) unless they do it right now, not to mention the fact that their Gallente standings are tanked to the point that they'll be insta-popped anyway. Gallente players, OTOH, will have no problem as long as they aren't pirates. They won't even have to worry about much opposition.
And yeah, Dusties are the new first-class citizens. We capsuleers are accessories to the clone soldiers. You know, sorta like the Jedi in Star Wars were to those clone soldiers. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
427
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:35:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:chatgris wrote:So basically - a large percentage of, if not most of, the active pvpers for Caldari and Gallente have a security status that does not allow them to participate in this event in Luminaire.
Additionally, it's possibly being decided by a Console FPS. (That is still in beta I might add)
Great :( Hey, at least you aren't also barred from the system by FW status. Most Caldari FW'ers are also in FW corps, and there's no way they can leave in time by Friday afternoon (resign roles: 24 hours) unless they do it right now, not to mention the fact that their Gallente standings are tanked to the point that they'll be insta-popped anyway. Gallente players, OTOH, will have no problem as long as they aren't pirates. They won't even have to worry about much opposition.
Well - the faction navy isn't as bad as the faction police. Still, it's pretty ****** for everyone involved.
Not to mention, even if they turned off all the npc's for both faction and security status - this completely excludes the US TZ, which is a benefit for the Caldari given the current timezone dominance.
It seems ****** that something this symbolic is decided completely separate from the fw mechanics and playerbase.
Vikarion wrote: And yeah, Dusties are the new first-class citizens. We capsuleers are accessories to the clone soldiers. You know, sorta like the Jedi in Star Wars were to those clone soldiers.
Well, at least whatever the outcome it probably won't affect anything in game, just sucks for the RPers who fly spaceships :( |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
427
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:38:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Darien Antilles wrote:Quote:If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC). ...unless you actually have a job that precludes it. Sadly there is no one time that works for everyone. Sorry. =/
A weekend is much more inclusive. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
857
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:41:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Capsuleers, For five years a wall of Caldari steel has sat in orbit of the besieged planet of Caldari Prime. The Gallente who still reside there cower in its shadow, held to ransom on the whim of Caldari State Executor, Tibus Heth. Soon, it will be time for you to show your worth, and display your prowess on the battlefield. You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden. A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden. You can read more about the storm that is brewing here.
is that a new shirt? Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
314
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:45:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Well, at least whatever the outcome it probably won't affect anything in game, just really sucks for the RPers who fly spaceships :(
This is nothing new. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
401
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:48:00 -
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This is awesome. But poor Ch+¬...I'm not sure if he'll be able to handle this... Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
60
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Posted - 2013.03.21 02:00:00 -
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Minus points for a weekday. This better be worth me ratting the sec to see this. |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
167
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Posted - 2013.03.21 03:05:00 -
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Gallente must win |
Caldari 5
The Element Syndicate
55
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Posted - 2013.03.21 03:22:00 -
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mkint wrote:hooray, eve players being sidelined in their own game so some console tards can blow up a titan, removing one of the most interesting landscape features in the game. squeee I guess I should pay more attention to the RP Fluff? I've been playing since '07 and didn't even know that the titan was there, and I've been flying around Gallente Space lots. Heck I used to mission run in that system, and never noticed it. I'll have to make a special trip to see it before it gets blown up. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
91
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Posted - 2013.03.21 03:42:00 -
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Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event?
I would say most decidedly not. Anyone can participate in Live Events! :D In fact, it might be pretty scary for Caldari Milita to attempt to show up. This is why I must sadly encourage any and all Caldari Militia that want to show up if the only thing that is stopping you is being Cal Militia in Fed space, drop the Corp for now. However if it's your standings that are preventing you...well..Today(Friday) is a good day to die! Do it for the State!
chatgris wrote:Additionally, it's possibly being decided by a Console FPS. (That is still in beta I might add)
Great :(
mkint wrote:hooray, eve players being sidelined in their own game so some console tards can blow up a titan, removing one of the most interesting landscape features in the game. squeee
First off, just a reminder that Dust is a part of the greater EVE Universe now. Also, this is not being entirely decided on the ground. There has been and always will be live events in space. They've been going on constantly lately, much thanks be to the very dedicated team at CCP that is helping to make this happen.
chatgris wrote:A weekend is much more inclusive.
Not for everyone. Actually for me weekends are my busiest. *Shrugs* There are more things going on behind the scenes that dictate timetables then we can know. I assume most likely this is being done on Friday because of PAX East.
Caldari 5 wrote: I guess I should pay more attention to the RP Fluff? I've been playing since '07 and didn't even know that the titan was there, and I've been flying around Gallente Space lots. Heck I used to mission run in that system, and never noticed it. I'll have to make a special trip to see it before it gets blown up.
Should be on your overview. I recommend warping to the Titan at range. At least 50km. The escort fleet is a bit trigger happy. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
712
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Posted - 2013.03.21 04:05:00 -
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Joe D'Trader wrote:Gallente must win I will be preparing many ships to have in that area for the battle. Gallente must win! Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4466
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Posted - 2013.03.21 05:48:00 -
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I dunno the mercs fought pretty hard against the caldari state, you guys managed to lose two entire freighters of protesters the dust bunnies managed to rescue by refusing to fight on the 'team they wanted to lose'
I mean a perfect example of the eve capsuleers not effecting the story line by just idly standing by and letting it happen.
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
546
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Posted - 2013.03.21 06:28:00 -
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It begins. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1080
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Posted - 2013.03.21 07:14:00 -
[51] - Quote
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Probably the most excited I've been in EVE since ever. Yep
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7514
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Posted - 2013.03.21 07:26:00 -
[52] - Quote
This shall be interesting!
/c
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Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
30
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Posted - 2013.03.21 08:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Yet another "free victory" for the gal/mini militias, well done CCP.
Anybody who's been in caldari / amarr militia for a bit will have bad enough standings to be instantly hounded by faction navy spawns...
It's funny really how CCP Falcon tries to uphold the charade of not favouring any factions when CCP pumps out utterly biased scenarios like this!
I wonder whats next, maybe an "awesome and cinematic" live event where THE ELDER FLEET (isn't that a cinematic and cool name!?) cyno's into Amarr and doomsdays Athra? Of course the amarr RP'ers have a chance to down the titan once their homeworld is burnt to ashes, yeah... |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
30
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Posted - 2013.03.21 08:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
Leaving the militia does not reset your faction standings, so yeah, this is a heavily biased event and not worth anybodys time on the amarr/caldari side... |
NekoKitten
Neko Industry 'n' PvE Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.21 08:36:00 -
[55] - Quote
That doesnt sound like a dev blog, but more like an advertisement for dust. |
Schmata Bastanold
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
676
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
Implement DUST for PC and maybe then I will care about those exciting news. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Mordecai Heller
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
Damnit, I'm not even in the Militia and my standings with Gallente are still lower than with Guristas. Suppose I won't be able to join the fun. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
296
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:03:00 -
[58] - Quote
chatgris wrote:So basically - a large percentage of, if not most of, the active pvpers for Caldari and Gallente have a security status that does not allow them to participate in this event in Luminaire.
Additionally, it's possibly being decided by a Console FPS. (That is still in beta I might add)
Great :( Why is it every time a bunch of Caldari get screwed you're here helping them Chatgris!? This is why 22ND loves you so much <3 Thanks again for being a Gallente who cares more for the game and community than a win.
Well it will be interesting to see what happens, most of the Caldari can't make it to help, I hate to be one to shout about bias fights an the like but we have been telling you this would be the backlash since the topic started in the Live Events channel. You can't run a big event which decides such a big thing for a faction in a system their most loyal can't even enter.
I will be there and I will be ready to help, but there is little I can do past warping around firing one shot and warping off again, and that's if the TiDi and Lag don't get me killed. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1411
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:11:00 -
[59] - Quote
Evi Polevhia wrote:Darien Antilles wrote:Quote:If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC). ...unless you actually have a job that precludes it. Sadly there is no one time that works for everyone. Sorry. =/
This is one of the reasons why we are streaming the event - so that those that are unable to participate can still see what's going on. It's regrettable that the nature of the event and logistics of running the event don't allow for 24 hour coverage, but them's the breaks. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
Glad to see CCP wising up on new Empire Wars that will reduce hi sec to rookie islands and get rid of those ridiculously congested trade hubs. From what I gather system security drops will begin in the systems around Caldari Prime in just few weeks if not days near Luminaire. How far is Jita ? 4-5 jumps Time to stock up some ships around there and prepare to make market goods a bit more rare.
No longer will the enlightened be called "pirates" rather than "noble privateer" and "patriot" when those with clear sight see that killing miners and commerce is the true path to strategic victory as well as legitimate profits of war.
Hopefully in the near future CONCORD will be virtually the NEW Incursion rats but in limited conquerable numbers without all the ultimate absolute sovereignty super powers. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event?
Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Will the system's node be reinforced or do I have to fill out the large fleet battle form?
Reinforced CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
48
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:15:00 -
[63] - Quote
The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.
As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.
Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:16:00 -
[64] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Darien Antilles wrote:Quote:If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC). ...unless you actually have a job that precludes it. Sadly there is no one time that works for everyone. Sorry. =/ A weekend is much more inclusive.
From our standpoint, it's not. Manpower drops at the weekend, for obvious reasons. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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CCP Falcon
2527
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:20:00 -
[65] - Quote
Octoven wrote:The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.
As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.
Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships.
You can also only OB if you are in a Factional Warfare system.
Luminaire is not a factional warfare system.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:23:00 -
[66] - Quote
Say will Empire factions be issuing Letters of Marquee that give CONCORD immunity as long as your targets have high enemy faction standings?
I'd say that is an idea that its time has come. All standings would just need to be public info and instead of just CONCORD security standings. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
48
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Octoven wrote:The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.
As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.
Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships. You can also only OB if you are in a Factional Warfare system. Luminaire is not a factional warfare system.
I really hope that will change in time. I don't feel like I should HAVE to join FW to use a new feature and it seems the last few expansions FW has been given priority in terms of new content. Datacores, LP, and now OB. FW is a great feature of itself but restricting OB to it limits the interaction between dust and eve. |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
Udonor wrote:Say will Empire factions be issuing Letters of Marquee that give CONCORD immunity as long as your targets have high enemy faction standings? Obviously you get automatic -10 faction standings from enemy faction navies...but not necessarily civilian stations unless you attack.
I'd say that is an idea that its time has come. All standings would just need to be public info and instead of just CONCORD security standings. .
Actually Letters of Marquee should let you shoot anyone who is NOT flying a clear friendly faction flag -- specifically neutral merchants can be accused of transporting war supplies and enemy merchants are clear targets at all times.
Though maybe neutrals might be given a pass in systems where friendly navies are in control. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
296
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event? Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event. Being in FW will hurt you in the event (unless you're sided Gallente/Minmatar) "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
164
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:58:00 -
[70] - Quote
Octoven wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Octoven wrote:The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.
As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.
Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships. You can also only OB if you are in a Factional Warfare system. Luminaire is not a factional warfare system. I really hope that will change in time. I don't feel like I should HAVE to join FW to use a new feature and it seems the last few expansions FW has been given priority in terms of new content. Datacores, LP, and now OB. FW is a great feature of itself but restricting OB to it limits the interaction between dust and eve.
From what i understand faction warfare has been something that has been needing revamped for a number of years. it would have been impractical, and likely a bit stupid to have done every change at once which is why they have had to spread it out of the past couple of expansions.
Orbital bombardment had to start somewhere. The best way for it to have a direct impact on the main game is through FW, with the added benefit of it being small scale, DUST after all is still a game in Beta. I would imagine, that OB is something that will eventually be added to other areas of gameplay and not restricted to FW. Give them Chance!
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Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
46
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:58:00 -
[71] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Will this live event have any actual impact on who controls the system? Could the system changes hands from Gallente to Caldari? Or is this a static event with no repercussions on the game?
I very much doubt that the Gallente home system is going to flip to Caldari, no matter how the battle plays out. I think it's more probable that a Caldari victory would preserve the status quo, while a Gallente victory would remove the titan.
Speaking of that, I'm glad we're getting an opportunity to try, because that thing has been sitting there, pissing me off, for, what, must be close to five goddamn years now? |
TheButcherPete
The James Gang R O G U E
234
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:01:00 -
[72] - Quote
GALLENTE SUPERIOR, DEATH TO THE CALDARI Bzzt.
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Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
19
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:10:00 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
Yeah being in the militia is not the problem.
The problem is
Laerise wrote:Anybody who's been in caldari / amarr militia for a bit will have bad enough standings to be instantly hounded by faction navy spawns... Leaving the militia does not reset your faction standings, so yeah, this is a heavily biased event and not worth anybodys time on the amarr/caldari side...
How are the Caldari players supposed to be able to do anything when they are being hounded, NOT SOLELY BY THE FW NPC'S BUT ALSO THE GAL NAVY because they have poor standings.
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Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
31
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:37:00 -
[74] - Quote
Fergus Runkle wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
Yeah being in the militia is not the problem. The problem is Laerise wrote:Anybody who's been in caldari / amarr militia for a bit will have bad enough standings to be instantly hounded by faction navy spawns... Leaving the militia does not reset your faction standings, so yeah, this is a heavily biased event and not worth anybodys time on the amarr/caldari side... How are the Caldari players supposed to be able to do anything when they are being hounded, NOT SOLELY BY THE FW NPC'S BUT ALSO THE GAL NAVY because they have poor standings.
They aren't.
It seems to be CCP's new policy to hand out easy victories to the gal/min militias and to exclude vast swathes of paying customers from live events.
Good job CCP :(
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
985
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:49:00 -
[75] - Quote
I don't think the shame of having a Caldari Titan in your home system for 5 years is really the victory anyone would ask for :P CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
857
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:50:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP Affinity wrote:I don't think the shame of having a Caldari Titan in your home system for 5 years is really the victory anyone would ask for :P
burn..... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
32
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:10:00 -
[77] - Quote
CCP Affinity wrote:I don't think the shame of having a Caldari Titan in your home system for 5 years is really the victory anyone would ask for :P
If you mean by that:
"The shame of having a burning titan in the orbit of your homeworld, visible to both Dusters and EVE players for eternity.
The shame of having to watch that titan being shot to pieces while being damned to watch it happen impotently.
The shame an impotent victim to the whims of a CCP employee who is evidently mad with power."
Then yes, yes I guess that's not anything a paying customer would ask for CCP Affinity. |
Shahai Shintaro
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
9
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:11:00 -
[78] - Quote
First, I agree with what almost everyone has said. My entire corp should not be excluded simply on the basis that we actively fight for the state. The system should be given 0.4 sec status so every one can participate. It may be tough to get to the system, but at least no one is excluded.
Second, isn't the titan under orders to obliterate all Gallente settlements if it comes under attack? |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3409
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:17:00 -
[79] - Quote
Laerise wrote: The shame of the impotent victim to the whims of a CCP employee who is evidently mad with power.
Confirming that CCP Affinity is mad with power. Every time I meet her, she is always staring angrily at someone with those crazy eyes. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3409
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:22:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Affinity is so power mad, she refused my perfectly reasonable demand that the event be run in J105934 (aka Nova). This is terribly unfair to those of us too lazy to scan our way out of the wormhole.
When will CCP realize that without wormhole players the game would be dead, and they would all be out on the street begging for some rotten fish? Who among the fearsome forum warriors can right this terrible injustice???? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1081
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:26:00 -
[81] - Quote
Laerise wrote:Fergus Runkle wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
Yeah being in the militia is not the problem. The problem is Laerise wrote:Anybody who's been in caldari / amarr militia for a bit will have bad enough standings to be instantly hounded by faction navy spawns... Leaving the militia does not reset your faction standings, so yeah, this is a heavily biased event and not worth anybodys time on the amarr/caldari side... How are the Caldari players supposed to be able to do anything when they are being hounded, NOT SOLELY BY THE FW NPC'S BUT ALSO THE GAL NAVY because they have poor standings. They aren't. It seems to be CCP's new policy to hand out easy victories to the gal/min militias and to exclude vast swathes of paying customers from live events. Good job CCP :( When someone is joining any FW he is accepting the possiblity that he will **** up his standings, and that it will limit his ability to do stuff in diffrent factionsspace. Deal with it. |
Hauk Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:27:00 -
[82] - Quote
So if I have a toon that is gal but fly cal ships, have higher cal standings and favour a cal corp, am I considered a gallente or Caldari ? |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
143
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:38:00 -
[83] - Quote
You are quite correctly considered a meat popsicle. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Jordan Kincade
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:39:00 -
[84] - Quote
Hauk Kouvo wrote:So if I have a toon that is gal but fly cal ships, have higher cal standings and favour a cal corp, am I considered a gallente or Caldari ? Yes |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1413
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:42:00 -
[85] - Quote
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1714
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:57:00 -
[86] - Quote
Hauk Kouvo wrote:So if I have a toon that is gal but fly cal ships, have higher cal standings and favour a cal corp, am I considered a gallente or Caldari ? You get to choose your side. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1714
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:05:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. All good points. But:
The space near Caldari Prime is not Gallente space, its Caldari space. So a Caldari loyalist would expect CCP to set the rules so he would be safe there. But you did not. There is no
If (distance to Luminare VII < Caldari_influence ) then (do not activate NCP Navy) http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
739
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. All good points. But: The space near Caldari Prime is not Gallente space, its Caldari space. So a Caldari loyalist would expect CCP to set the rules so he would be safe there. But you did not. There is no If (distance to Luminare VII < Caldari_influence ) then Activate _NPC_navy = FALSE
Pretty sure once this event starts, the Gallente won't care where the Caldari are in Luminaire, they'll want them out. Enjoy your gaming.
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
158
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:28:00 -
[89] - Quote
Q: is this event reserved to Dust players in specific corps? Only player corps? NPC corps? FW corps? Everyone without regard to affiliation? TIA. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
298
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:31:00 -
[90] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote:Q: is this event reserved to Dust players in specific corps? Only player corps? NPC corps? FW corps? Everyone without regard to affiliation? TIA. Open to everyone, any CCP Actors ships that they want to be shootable normally become suspects. You need not be on a side but it's more fun if you choose one and the battle has meaning for you (other than KM *****ing) "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:41:00 -
[91] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
No, there are only consequences for Caldari players. As usual, CCP runs things for the benefit of Minmatar and Gallente players, and arranges things to where no one will want to join any but those factions.
Caldari and Amarr players would be better off if the CCP storyline department was fired and permanently closed. It's just a collection of Gallente/Minmatar/Guristas fanbois now. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:47:00 -
[92] - Quote
All I can hope for is that this is a Live Event that is more of a show, something to watch, rather than actively decide the outcome on. Because it would be a real kick in the nuts to those who've fought in FW for 5 years to really have no part in what occurs (due to sec status and standings). It also wouldn't be fair if one TZ basically came along and decided it.
So here's me hoping that this is actually more of a movie we get to watch than something capsuleers decide. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:48:00 -
[93] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. No, there are only consequences for Caldari players. As usual, CCP runs things for the benefit of Minmatar and Gallente players, and arranges things to where no one will want to join any but those factions. Caldari and Amarr players would be better off if the CCP storyline department was fired and permanently closed. It's just a collection of Gallente/Minmatar/Guristas fanbois now.
Look at the hard hitting corps on the Gallente side - we're pretty much barred due to sec status.
Look at a few top killing Gallente corps from here:
http://evewho.com/faction/
http://evewho.com/corp/Quantum+Cats+Syndicate <- -4.5 avg http://evewho.com/corp/Spiritus+Draconis <- -5.0 avg
even xmeta is -1.2, and that's an average, so you could easily expect half their members not to be able to enter either.
Plus, on the whole Ev0ke since they just came from nullsec have a positive sec http://evewho.com/alli/Ev0ke
So really, if you look at timezone dominance and sec status, the Caldari have a much easier time coming to this event (Last I heard there was a 10 spawn cap right? If I'm wrong, excuse my ignorance I don't go into high sec). |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:00:00 -
[94] - Quote
chatgris wrote:So really, if you look at timezone dominance and sec status, the Caldari have a much easier time coming to this event (Last I heard there was a 10 spawn cap right? If I'm wrong, excuse my ignorance I don't go into high sec).
I'm fairly sure that that's been patched, based on reports I've heard. And this is going down mainly in OZ TZ, IIRC, so fewer people from either side can make it. Anyway, it's not like most Caldari have super great sec status either, so I don't know why you bring that up. OTOH, if you really want to be there as Gallente, you could rat it up fairly quickly. I've done it before. Can't do that with negative faction standings like the Caldari have.
It doesn't matter anyway, because almost no one is going to show up to prevent something big from blowing up. You'll have people coming from null-sec to kill a Titan. |
Shahai Shintaro
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
9
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:06:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled. |
roy oakes
Pimebeka Industrial Mining Productions Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:24:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event? Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event.
so we in non fw corps can still come and shoot stuff? |
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CCP Maiden Steel
C C P C C P Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
This is going to be epic, I can't wait! |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:36:00 -
[98] - Quote
roy oakes wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event? Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event. so we in non fw corps can still come and shoot stuff?
In general, you only can't come if you are a Caldari loyalist with usually associated low Gallente standings. If you have low sec status, you can probably rat it up if you start now. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:38:00 -
[99] - Quote
Shahai Shintaro wrote: When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.
They don't. As has been noted, they've already created the map with the crashed Titan, and they've been planning this for months. To believe that CCP has any intention of anyone but the Gallente and Minmatar winning is giving them far too much credit, especially in view of past actions. The Caldari and Amarr factions exist to be the punching bags of the developer's mary sue factions.
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Intex Encapor
17
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:41:00 -
[100] - Quote
well verone doing an event that has a positive outcome for caldari would be kinda weird. |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:44:00 -
[101] - Quote
Intex Encapor wrote:well verone doing an event that has a positive outcome for caldari would be kinda weird.
Indeed. |
Arthay
8
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
So this mean if the titan goes down, we will lose our home planet again and this time to some 'rebels' ? What will happen if one off the other 2 empires shows up and winns the battle, will the luminaire sov then go over to them?
Edit: Is there still time to evacuate our civlians? last time we could get some out (Day of Darkness II) Veld for the Veld God!
If you find any misspelling or grammar errors, your allowed to keep them. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:08:00 -
[103] - Quote
Arthay wrote:So this mean if the titan goes down, we will lose our home planet again and this time to some 'rebels' ? What will happen if one off the other 2 empires shows up and winns the battle, will the luminaire sov then go over to them? Edit: Is there still time to evacuate our civlians? last time we could get some out ( Day of Darkness II)
Luminaire Sove isn't going anything but Gallente. This "battle" is over Caldari Prime, the planet. If someone else were to "win", then things would stay as they are now, until CCP has players take another go at it. Eventually, someone will take it down.
But no one but the Gallente will win, because almost no one who has been working for the other sides can be in Luminaire without getting insta-popped by faction navy and police spawns. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
744
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:25:00 -
[104] - Quote
I wouldn't be surprised if Amarr & Minitmar Navies get sucked in to this free for all in Luminare Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
744
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:26:00 -
[105] - Quote
Goliath you got your DEV tag back Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:52:00 -
[106] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Goliath you got your DEV tag back
\o/ CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Eunice Huang
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:56:00 -
[107] - Quote
I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon. |
mkint
969
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:11:00 -
[108] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. the epic showdown between caldari and gallente and caldari aren't allowed to show up? you're right, I can't see why anybody would have a problem with that. especially not when the whole point is to convince the world that dust isn't pointless at some big video game convention. dust players are not real eve players. all they've done is lower the average iq in eve. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:29:00 -
[109] - Quote
The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1081
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:35:00 -
[110] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
363
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:36:00 -
[111] - Quote
Sincerely hope that the event is reinforced to the max, and then some.
Not going to be much fun if nodes keep crashing and the TiDi is glacial.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
4532
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:36:00 -
[112] - Quote
chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.
Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
IOW, "we told you that you needed to support your faction in FW. We promised real consequences for factions when they won or lost. Now you silly Caldari have gone and done as we suggested, so we get to screw you over!" |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1422
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:47:00 -
[114] - Quote
Eunice Huang wrote:I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon. Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh. I'm going to go sightseeing. Luminaire is most certainly a good sight-seeing destination, more so now than ever. You should also visit the Ishukone station in Malkalen and the CONCORD station in Yulai. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
28
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:51:00 -
[115] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
Just because of that comment players should screw your plans and those Galentean bastards as well and rep the titan like there is no tomorrow ...
You should at least give the Caldari a fighting chance to influenxe the outcome, otherwiese you may as well just hit the self destruct on that thing and say some rtard had his glory moment .... |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
317
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:58:00 -
[116] - Quote
Isbariya wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet. Just because of that comment players should screw your plans and those Galentean bastards as well and rep the titan like there is no tomorrow ... You should at least give the Caldari a fighting chance to influenxe the outcome, otherwiese you may as well just hit the self destruct on that thing and say some rtard had his glory moment .... If by some chance someone has a Carrier in that system from times long gone, i'll pay 50b if you show up in a triage fit and rep that titan
If someone does, they had better not do that, because CCP will just move their carrier to lowsec, and it will lose all it's value.
I get that you're annoyed, I am too, but this is predetermined by CCP, and we're gonna get steamrolled no matter what. No reason to lose more than that. Smart Caldari and Amarr loyalists won't be anywhere near Caldari Prime tomorrow, because this event, for us, is basically an invitation from CCP to come get blown up so they can get their rocks off. Best policy is to blueball them. |
Name Lips
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:09:00 -
[117] - Quote
I'm still not exactly clear what the arrival of the mercs really means for me as a capsuleer.
Can I sell them stuff? |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
49
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:23:00 -
[118] - Quote
Shahai Shintaro wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it. When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.
I agree on this matter, Gallente Militia shouldnt need worry about caldari NPC forces and same with Caldari Militia with Gallente NPC forces. Let them fight each other while dusties fight on the ground. This is not a NPC game, it is a player empowered game. If CCP is unwilling or unable to disable NPCs...fine but it will be certainly the equivalent of saying **** off players. I mean from my understanding they are wanting to enhance and build FW and even though this event is geared toward a focus for the Dust EVE link, they are essentially giving players a reason to leave FW. If anything FW players should be there more so then out of FW players. I mean this is after all a war between the two factions.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
49
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:25:00 -
[119] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
So you have already asserted the outcome and who will win...remind me again why players should feel the need to participate and side with a losing side? |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
33
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:26:00 -
[120] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
So what you're saying is that the gal/min get yet another highly publicised "victory" handed to them because CCP Falcon says so?
LOL
GG CCP, although winning your own game with devtools must get kind of boring after a while, huh? |
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Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
33
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:27:00 -
[121] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Eunice Huang wrote:I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon. Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh. I'm going to go sightseeing. Luminaire is most certainly a good sight-seeing destination, more so now than ever. You should also visit the Ishukone station in Malkalen and the CONCORD station in Yulai.
Or to condense this answer a bit more:
Go visit the places where the gal/min got to break the ingame rules and subsequently "won", yeah... great story mate, but I think I'd rather watch paint dry, it's much more statisfying.
To sum it up:
Yulai: A "mysterious minmatar fleet" blows up CONCORD headquarter. (Negative consequences for the minmatar? ZERO)
Ishkuone station in Malkalen: A "mysterious gallente rogue Nyx" blows up a caldari megacorp headquarters. (Negative consequences for the gallente by tomorrow? ZERO)
Luminaire: The gallente navy gets to blow up a caldari navy titan - which does not do the obvious thing ( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). (Negative consequences for the gallente? Let's take an educated guess here: ZERO)
Edit: Regarding the Yulai debacle, lets not forget that said "mysterious deus ex fleet" also ravages the amarr empire, rapes and pillages unhindered and then escapes with some minor losses back home.
The amarr empire, who has the largest fleet and standing ground forces obviously DOES NOT pursue the minis home to burn Pator and Rens to cinders. Oh no, they turn around at the border. LOL |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
741
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:54:00 -
[122] - Quote
Laerise wrote:( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs).
Except DD's are disabled in all of Empire space by CONCORD.
Still, that was a brilliant one sided rant Laerise that covered every event and in no way missed anything what so ever. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
33
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:58:00 -
[123] - Quote
Caellach Marellus wrote:Laerise wrote:( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). Except DD's are disabled in all of Empire space by CONCORD. Still, that was a brilliant one sided rant Laerise that covered every event and in no way missed anything what so ever.
Yeah, just like the empire navies can't cyno ships around - oh wait they do all the time, in highsec.
You are so ignorant that I'm surprised you aren't rolling around the floor screaming in pain. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
334
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:59:00 -
[124] - Quote
chatgris wrote:
A weekend is much more inclusive.
Icelandic work rules or something apparently doesn't allow CCP event "masters" to work outside M-F 9-5 Iceland tz.
Annoying as hell - especially when the customers are willing to alarm clock CTE's on the weekend wherever necessary.
You would think Marketing/Sales would step in and explain the concept of comp time and not screwing over a large portion of the customer base consistently.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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CCP Falcon
2532
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:03:00 -
[125] - Quote
Caellach Marellus wrote:Laerise wrote:( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). Except DD's are disabled in all of Empire space by CONCORD. Still, that was a brilliant one sided rant Laerise that covered every event and in no way missed anything what so ever.
Might also want to remember that the threat the Provists made to the Federation had nothing to do with Gallente Prime.
They threatened to glass all the Gallente citizens within the containment districts on CALDARI Prime if the Federation attempted to take it back.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
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CCP Falcon
2532
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:04:00 -
[126] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:chatgris wrote:
A weekend is much more inclusive.
Icelandic work rules or something apparently doesn't allow CCP event "masters" to work outside M-F 9-5 Iceland tz. Annoying as hell - especially when the customers are willing to alarm clock CTE's on the weekend wherever necessary. You would think Marketing/Sales would step in and explain the concept of comp time and not screwing over a large portion of the customer base consistently.
Also, this is not the case.
I'm at work right now and have been for the last 12 hours. It's 21:04. The issues that we have regarding manpower have nothing to do with working hours.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
861
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:10:00 -
[127] - Quote
i'm excited to see those 4 mega titans that are in luminaire Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Mordecai Heller
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:13:00 -
[128] - Quote
Two step wrote:CCP Affinity is so power mad, she refused my perfectly reasonable demand that the event be run in J105934 (aka Nova). This is terribly unfair to those of us too lazy to scan our way out of the wormhole.
When will CCP realize that without wormhole players the game would be dead, and they would all be out on the street begging for some rotten fish? Who among the fearsome forum warriors can right this terrible injustice????
I thought rotten fish was a delicacy... or was that Norway... |
Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
29
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:13:00 -
[129] - Quote
Why don't you guys at CCP get that the players love eve because it's not scripted, because our actions matter, so PLEASE stop with this bullcrap of fixed outcome "live events" .... If you can't do it propperly just don't do it at all imho. If the Galenteans outnumbered the Caldari two to one, fine no probelem with loosing the Titan/ the battle then but loosing just because you say so does not represent the EVE that I came to know and you praised it to be, that your (the players) decision matters and not what someone else thought should matter to you ...
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
741
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:15:00 -
[130] - Quote
I don't see why people are upset with the Titan being potentially railroaded out, considering it was railroaded in in the first place without any player involvement at all. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
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Mordecai Heller
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:23:00 -
[131] - Quote
Isbariya wrote:Why don't you guys at CCP get that the players love eve because it's not scripted, because our actions matter, so PLEASE stop with this bullcrap of fixed outcome "live events" .... If you can't do it propperly just don't do it at all imho. If the Galenteans outnumbered the Caldari two to one, fine no probelem with loosing the Titan/ the battle then but loosing just because you say so does not represent the EVE that I came to know and you praised it to be, that your (the players) decision matters and not what someone else thought should matter to you ...
Take into consideration that the Titan would be taken over by an NPC and we all know NPC's are morons. It would lose anyway. |
Intex Encapor
20
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:23:00 -
[132] - Quote
people are just upset because ccp pretends that people have influence. if they just removed it via storyline there would hardly be any drama |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
326
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:28:00 -
[133] - Quote
Laerise wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Eunice Huang wrote:I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon. Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh. I'm going to go sightseeing. Luminaire is most certainly a good sight-seeing destination, more so now than ever. You should also visit the Ishukone station in Malkalen and the CONCORD station in Yulai. Or to condense this answer a bit more: Go visit the places where the gal/min got to break the ingame rules and subsequently "won", yeah... great story mate, but I think I'd rather watch paint dry, it's much more statisfying. To sum it up: Yulai: A "mysterious minmatar fleet" blows up CONCORD headquarter. (Negative consequences for the minmatar? ZERO) Ishkuone station in Malkalen: A "mysterious gallente rogue Nyx" blows up a caldari megacorp headquarters. (Negative consequences for the gallente by tomorrow? ZERO) Luminaire: The gallente navy gets to blow up a caldari navy titan - which does not do the obvious thing ( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). (Negative consequences for the gallente? Let's take an educated guess here: ZERO) Edit: Regarding the Yulai debacle, lets not forget that said "mysterious deus ex fleet" also ravages the amarr empire, rapes and pillages unhindered and then escapes with some minor losses back home. The amarr empire, who has the largest fleet and standing ground forces obviously DOES NOT pursue the minis home to burn Pator and Rens to cinders. Oh no, they turn around at the border. LOL
F****** right.
EDIT: Also, whether the Caldari take FW systems or not, it's always written that they lose. |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
37
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:32:00 -
[134] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Laerise wrote:( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). Except DD's are disabled in all of Empire space by CONCORD. Still, that was a brilliant one sided rant Laerise that covered every event and in no way missed anything what so ever. Might also want to remember that the threat the Provists made to the Federation had nothing to do with Gallente Prime. They threatened to glass all the Gallente citizens within the containment districts on CALDARI Prime if the Federation attempted to take it back.
Well Verone, look back in time to when TonyG was head of the fluff.
He managed to drive away 50% of the old guard active RP enablers of the caldari and amarr.
I'm not going to tell you how to run your show man, but consider that you're about to drive off the other 50% if you stay your current course. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
326
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:34:00 -
[135] - Quote
Laerise wrote: Well Verone, look back in time to when TonyG was head of the fluff.
He managed to drive away 50% of the old guard active RP enablers of the caldari and amarr.
I'm not going to tell you how to run your show man, but consider that you're about to drive off the other 50% if you stay your current course.
Lae, Verone has been a Guristas/Minnie/Gallente-alinged RPer for years. That's who he was friendly with, those are the people who joined his corp, and that's who the storyline is being run for. |
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CCP Falcon
2533
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:38:00 -
[136] - Quote
Laerise wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Laerise wrote:( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). Except DD's are disabled in all of Empire space by CONCORD. Still, that was a brilliant one sided rant Laerise that covered every event and in no way missed anything what so ever. Might also want to remember that the threat the Provists made to the Federation had nothing to do with Gallente Prime. They threatened to glass all the Gallente citizens within the containment districts on CALDARI Prime if the Federation attempted to take it back. Well Verone, look back in time to when TonyG was head of the fluff. He managed to drive away 50% of the old guard active RP enablers of the caldari and amarr. I'm not going to tell you how to run your show man, but consider that you're about to drive off the other 50% if you stay your current course.
The fact of the matter is that things are changing.
I was a roleplayer in EVE from release until I was hired. I share the sentiments of the vast majority of the RP Community when it comes to storyline. If you could see things through my eyes now, you'd know that things are changing for the better. CCP Abraxas and CCP Gnauton are doing an absolutely amazing job.
You're attempting to crucify people before you've even seen the tip of the iceberg. For things to get better, they first have to get worse. A lot of wrongs will be righted, and a lot of new avenues for conflict will be opened up.
Patience is a virtue.
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
326
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:41:00 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: You're attempting to crucify people before you've even seen the tip of the iceberg. For things to get better, they first have to get worse. A lot of wrongs will be righted, and a lot of new avenues for conflict will be opened up.
Patience is a virtue.
Even if you do try to make it better, you've already managed to make it so bad that it's not worth our effort to stick with it. Well done. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
741
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:45:00 -
[138] - Quote
"I don't know what you guys are going to do but I can already tell it's going to suck!"
That's essentially what you just said, seriously the bitter because something that was railroaded in, is getting railroaded out again is unbelievable. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
38
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:48:00 -
[139] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Laerise wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Laerise wrote:( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). Except DD's are disabled in all of Empire space by CONCORD. Still, that was a brilliant one sided rant Laerise that covered every event and in no way missed anything what so ever. Might also want to remember that the threat the Provists made to the Federation had nothing to do with Gallente Prime. They threatened to glass all the Gallente citizens within the containment districts on CALDARI Prime if the Federation attempted to take it back. Well Verone, look back in time to when TonyG was head of the fluff. He managed to drive away 50% of the old guard active RP enablers of the caldari and amarr. I'm not going to tell you how to run your show man, but consider that you're about to drive off the other 50% if you stay your current course. The fact of the matter is that things are changing. I was a roleplayer in EVE from release until I was hired. I share the sentiments of the vast majority of the RP Community when it comes to storyline. If you could see things through my eyes now, you'd know that things are changing for the better. CCP Abraxas and CCP Gnauton are doing an absolutely amazing job. You're attempting to crucify people before you've even seen the tip of the iceberg. For things to get better, they first have to get worse. A lot of wrongs will be righted, and a lot of new avenues for conflict will be opened up. Patience is a virtue.
Check your old forums, TonyG said the same. |
Mordecai Heller
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:51:00 -
[140] - Quote
It's getting a little harsh. It's not like CCP just turned into EA. At least they're including it as an event, you have more than you had before and you're getting uppity because it's not perfect from the get-go.
Although I do feel a little peeved that I won't be able to join my Caldari brothers in battle against Gaylente because I showed my loyalty to the state by blowing up Gaylente. |
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Simvastatin Montelukast
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
33
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:04:00 -
[141] - Quote
@-10.0 sec status-----this live event means nothing to us pirates.... |
Arthay
10
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:18:00 -
[142] - Quote
If you militia people can't help in luminaire, go and try to capture most of the fw system when the gallente are busy in luminaire Veld for the Veld God!
If you find any misspelling or grammar errors, your allowed to keep them. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
328
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:22:00 -
[143] - Quote
Arthay wrote:If you militia people can't help in luminaire, go and try to capture most of the fw system when the gallente are busy in luminaire
Um, every time we take a lot of Gallente systems, CCP writes it up as a Gallente victory, with Caldari getting screwed. If we let the Gallente take all the systems, we get the same thing, but we get to fight closer to Jita. Do the math. |
Arthay
11
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:32:00 -
[144] - Quote
Vikarion wrote: Um, every time we take a lot of Gallente systems, CCP writes it up as a Gallente victory, with Caldari getting screwed. If we let the Gallente take all the systems, we get the same thing, but we get to fight closer to Jita. Do the math.
then we are screwed and our only option is to evacuate caldari prime again -áIf you find any misspelling or grammar errors, your allowed to keep them. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
330
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:35:00 -
[145] - Quote
Arthay wrote:Vikarion wrote: Um, every time we take a lot of Gallente systems, CCP writes it up as a Gallente victory, with Caldari getting screwed. If we let the Gallente take all the systems, we get the same thing, but we get to fight closer to Jita. Do the math.
then we are screwed and our only option is to evacuate caldari prime again
Truthiness. |
Mordecai Heller
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:39:00 -
[146] - Quote
Arthay wrote:If you militia people can't help in luminaire, go and try to capture most of the fw system when the gallente are busy in luminaire
Diabolical. |
Roseline Penshar
Enlightened Academy
5
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:07:00 -
[147] - Quote
can you extend the duration until sunday downtime? friday - saturday eve downtime is not a whole day holiday |
Onyx Nyx
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
289
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:17:00 -
[148] - Quote
*yawn*
Wake me up when there is actually content for EVE. I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
103
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:27:00 -
[149] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Capsuleers, For five years a wall of Caldari steel has sat in orbit of the besieged planet of Caldari Prime. The Gallente who still reside there cower in its shadow, held to ransom on the whim of Caldari State Executor, Tibus Heth. Soon, it will be time for you to show your worth, and display your prowess on the battlefield. You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden. A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden. You can read more about the storm that is brewing here. Will there be any special considerations given out for attending the event as a space pilot? I know the Dusties are getting special dropsuits. Any chance for a special, well, anything for attending the space game??
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Marsan
Emergency and I
90
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Posted - 2013.03.22 01:29:00 -
[150] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Darien Antilles wrote:Quote:If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC). ...unless you actually have a job that precludes it. Sadly there is no one time that works for everyone. Sorry. =/ This is one of the reasons why we are streaming the event - so that those that are unable to participate can still see what's going on. It's regrettable that the nature of the event and logistics of running the event don't allow for 24 hour coverage, but them's the breaks.
Yeah because watching a live stream really makes up for being there. Mean while you guys shaft your US customers yet again. Even for the guys willing to take time off this isn't even enough notice for most people to arrange for a day off. It wouldn't such be a big issue if we missed just this one, but I can't remember the last time US players had a live event. Don't you guys have developers and GMs in the US that could run one? Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a bitter small portion of the community. |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
631
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:02:00 -
[151] - Quote
Question for the horribly uninformed, when do these events typically occur? |
Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
125
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:14:00 -
[152] - Quote
Like others I am not too keen on the out come of this event being already decided, but I guess it doesn't really matter to much since I will be at work for it any way. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
54
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:39:00 -
[153] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Octoven wrote:The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.
As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.
Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships. You can also only OB if you are in a Factional Warfare system. Luminaire is not a factional warfare system.
Isn't it actually fact that although this mechanic is true, Gallente FW characters have been spotted OB CP despite your reiteration here that its not possible for them to? Granted live events are scripted, but to allow Gallente to OB and Caldari not to only serves to present an unbalanced approach to a game where the devs are attempting to balance it.
As I understand it, live events were originally conceived of as a means to allow players to ban together in a quasi-unscripted manner to determine how the outcome would play out. For instance, Incursions. They were designed to allow players from any race or skill level to participate and have an equal chance at molding the outcome in their favor. Essentially what CCP has done here is an Anti-Live Event. What is happening is that CCP is once again placing game development mandates on a player base who fell in love with the player's role in the game....not the devs.
I had hoped the events of the Jita riots some time ago game Devs insights into what the players find acceptable and not. However, it seems they haven't learned at all. Caldari are going to lose, the titan will go down, and nothing anyone does on either side will stop that from happening....kind of a storyline buzz kill don't you think? The least CCP could do is force NPC navies to shoot each other as well. The Caldari are pretty much getting the ass end of this deal.
After the hit to Heavy missiles, nerfs to the viability of missiles in general, increasing armor tanking and leaving shields out to dry. This little stunt of the Caldari taking yet another hit doesn't surprise me at all. I used to fly Caldari, but ive been switching over to Amarr now since Caldari ships really are becoming crap.
This event is supposed to strengthen the playing relationship between eve and dust and yet it is only the gallente and minmatar who are gaining anything from this event. Thank you CCP for reasserting my point that the Caldari are becoming a dying race to play and will certainly be defeated tomorrow as well. I think I liked this game more when devs WERENT involved.
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
331
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:20:00 -
[154] - Quote
Octoven, I entirely sympathize, but there are a few things you should know.
First, a new Dev (Falcon) got hired on, who used to be Gurista/Federation/Minnie aligned, or friends with those so aligned. He, and one or two others, are driving the current story. He's promised that things will change, however, not how things will change, and many RPers are pretty cynical by this point. So far, everything has been pretty anti-Caldari, which is not new.
Second, a CCP dev has already posted in this thread that they don't run events in such a way that players can change them from the ground up. So this event is pretty railroaded, but this has been true of events since Aurora.
Third, it's not just the Caldari who've been hit like this, a lot of Amarr RPers are pretty pissed as well.
Fourth, Caldari has always been the PvE race, and it hasn't been until fairly recently that some Caldari ships have become useful (Moa, etc). So we're actually doing better in terms of ships than ever before. We're still the worst race, but hey. Just don't train missiles, train hybrids. Missiles are almost always worthless, except for HAMs, rockets, and light missiles in a couple situations.
Fifth, CCP isn't interested in the Caldari and Amarr RP scene growing. CCP Falcon has already said that he thinks they are healthy (Eve fiction thread, may try to find it). I disagree, since I've been watching them fall out right and left, but CCP's focus is on growing the Minmatar and Gallente sides.
So, if I can offer some advice, your best bet is to stop caring about who wins, and what's going on, because if you rolled Caldari, you aren't going to get anything from CCP. Except, maybe, a kick in the teeth. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
79
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:31:00 -
[155] - Quote
OMG the butthurt in this thread. I got the gist skimming a few posts. It's a ******* game guys. Why make yourselves mad over something you can't control. It's not like there won't be/haven't been some storyline events that Gallente won't like. That's really the very nature of "storyline". It's being written by an author. Do you get this mad reading a damn book and having characters die or whatever in them?
Anyway, so many people won't be able to participate in this crap regardless because we've all gone pie with the stupidity of plex mechanics and neutrals. So most of us can't attend and don't really care about this. I care way more about the warzone and the fights there. A canned "live event" is just that. It really shouldn't bother anyone either way tbh. Put some of that butthurt into having fun in warzone fights and forget about this thing. Don't ruin your rl health getting so wound up over it.
And CCP if you are going to fix anything pve and npc related how about fixing the stupid faction rat AI so that we can enter an enemy mission and not have our own rats blow us up for trying to kill the enemy missioner. Or how about having any neutral that comes into a plex get flagged for aggressing the faction of the dplexer so that rat will attack the neutral.
People attending this thing should just try to have fun if you can suspend your emotional "attachment" to the in-game factions. It's just a game, and this event is not really a contest the way the warzone pvp is, so why get all bent over it.
edit - are you all Damar alts? |
Drunken Bum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:46:00 -
[156] - Quote
is there any write up that has ALL the info on this? Like when exactly, what exactly, why the hell it would interest me exactly, that sorta thing? Other than "OMG BIG STUFF AT LUMINAIRE!! BIIIIG STUFFFFF!" |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
56
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:49:00 -
[157] - Quote
Deacon Abox wrote:OMG the butthurt in this thread. I got the gist skimming a few posts. It's a ******* game guys. Why make yourselves mad over something you can't control. It's not like there won't be/haven't been some storyline events that Gallente won't like. That's really the very nature of "storyline". It's being written by an author. Do you get this mad reading a damn book and having characters die or whatever in them? Anyway, so many people won't be able to participate in this crap regardless because we've all gone pie with the stupidity of plex mechanics and neutrals. So most of us can't attend and don't really care about this. I care way more about the warzone and the fights there. A canned "live event" is just that. It really shouldn't bother anyone either way tbh. Put some of that butthurt into having fun in warzone fights and forget about this thing. Don't ruin your rl health getting so wound up over it. And CCP if you are going to fix anything pve and npc related how about fixing the stupid faction rat AI so that we can enter an enemy mission and not have our own rats blow us up for trying to kill the enemy missioner. Or how about having any neutral that comes into a plex get flagged for aggressing the faction of the dplexer, loses faction standing, and that rat will attack the neutral. People attending this thing should just try to have fun if you can suspend your emotional "attachment" to the in-game factions. It's just a game, and this event is not really a contest the way the warzone pvp is, so why get all bent over it. edit - are you all Damar alts?
I believe my post was pretty calm; however, it seems you sir are the one getting butt hurt and mad over our protest of these incidents. Im sure if the tables were reverse you would be doing the same, game or not, players expect to play the game, not sit and look pretty for CCP to play the game for them.
CCP has always maintained this sorta of non-interference policy in the past to allow players to build the universe not CCP Devs, and over the last few years that has changed. To be honest I do not believe devs should be doing live events in the first place. Let us play the game...not observe it >.> |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4466
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:56:00 -
[158] - Quote
I will tell you one thing, most of the dust 514 community wants to kill Heth, even the caldari loyalist are saying such stating it would be best for the state.
Amarrians loyalist bunnies are oddly the only ones trying to fight for Heth.
Either way Gallente is building something massive on the ground.
As for the whole story ordeal... you just have to realize that just sometimes... there is absolutely nothing you can do to change something. I mean that hamburger you ate. Yeah some one killed a cow for it, and you not buying it is not going to magically bring that cow back to life and all and you being vegan wouldn't have changed it either, and if you likely where to have tried some sort of terrorist attack to save the cow they would still killed the cow or put it out of its misery depending on how much misery you put the poor creature though.
Also if the Gallente do bring in the proto-titans... I don't see the leviathan surviving an onslaught from that and its escorts while getting hammered from the surface. Maybe if the caldari did not insist on putting the titan in low orbit things would be different but I am quite sure cynos and jump portals are a big no no in atmo.
Overall most of you should be happy, this is probably the largest story changing event we actually get to take part in instead of it happening so conversely during down time.
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
333
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:15:00 -
[159] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:I will tell you one thing, most of the dust 514 community wants to kill Heth, even the caldari loyalist are saying such stating it would be best for the state.
Amarrians loyalist bunnies are oddly the only ones trying to fight for Heth.
Either way Gallente is building something massive on the ground.
Well, CCP has been running "Caldari suck and are *****" and "Amarr are evil child-molesting religious slavers" stories for, uh, let's see, about the past five years, whether the Caldari and Amarr won, or lost. And when DUST was introduced, the first thing they made sure to do was to run a massive campaign with the Caldari trying to kill all of the players. I'm surprised there are any dusties left on anything but the Minnie/Gal sides. There are certainly precious few Caldari or Amarr RPers anymore, compared to what there used to be.
And why would someone want to join the Amarr or Caldari? At this point it is very clear that our only purpose is to be the whipping boy for CCP and Minnie/Gal/Guristas players to look good beating. If anyone RPing on the Caldari or Amarr side has any self-respect left, they'll quit.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
57
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:26:00 -
[160] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:Octoven, I entirely sympathize, but there are a few things you should know.
First, a new Dev (Falcon) got hired on, who used to be Gurista/Federation/Minnie aligned, or friends with those so aligned. He, and one or two others, are driving the current story. He's promised that things will change, however, not how things will change, and many RPers are pretty cynical by this point. So far, everything has been pretty anti-Caldari, which is not new.
Second, a CCP dev has already posted in this thread that they don't run events in such a way that players can change them from the ground up. So this event is pretty railroaded, but this has been true of events since Aurora.
Third, it's not just the Caldari who've been hit like this, a lot of Amarr RPers are pretty pissed as well.
Fourth, Caldari has always been the PvE race, and it hasn't been until fairly recently that some Caldari ships have become useful (Moa, etc). So we're actually doing better in terms of ships than ever before. We're still the worst race, but hey. Just don't train missiles, train hybrids. Missiles are almost always worthless, except for HAMs, rockets, and light missiles in a couple situations.
Fifth, CCP isn't interested in the Caldari and Amarr RP scene growing. CCP Falcon has already said that he thinks they are healthy (Eve fiction thread, may try to find it). I disagree, since I've been watching them fall out right and left, but CCP's focus is on growing the Minmatar and Gallente sides.
So, if I can offer some advice, your best bet is to stop caring about who wins, and what's going on, because if you rolled Caldari, you aren't going to get anything from CCP. Except, maybe, a kick in the teeth.
Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire? |
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
333
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:33:00 -
[161] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire?
It doesn't matter whether they are dyed in the wool fanboys or not, though it looks that way. What matters is what they've done. It didn't start with the CP event, and it won't end with it. They've said they were going to "change things" before, and every time they do that, they have another event or storyline that goes after the Caldari and/or Amarr. Form your own conclusions.
But it's pretty clear that continuing to RP Caldari is basically asking to be CCP's punching bag. Why someone would like that is beyond me. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
174
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:35:00 -
[162] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:Octoven wrote:Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire? It doesn't matter whether they are dyed in the wool fanboys or not, though it looks that way. What matters is what they've done. It didn't start with the CP event, and it won't end with it. They've said they were going to "change things" before, and every time they do that, they have another event or storyline that goes after the Caldari and/or Amarr. Form your own conclusions. But it's pretty clear that continuing to RP Caldari is basically asking to be CCP's punching bag. Why someone would like that is beyond me. So.... The entire Black Eagles plot line that has Gallente shooting Gallente is going after the Caldari? Really...... I'm amazed at you guys, you claim to be RP'ers and better than other MMO players. Yet you whine worse than WoW players. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
333
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Posted - 2013.03.22 05:47:00 -
[163] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote: So.... The entire Black Eagles plot line that has Gallente shooting Gallente is going after the Caldari? Really...... I'm amazed at you guys, you claim to be RP'ers and better than other MMO players. Yet you whine worse than WoW players.
You mean that plotline that's basically two posts that got buried right away? The one where a couple soldiers killed another couple soldiers? Oh my, how horrible. What were the Caldari reported to be doing at the time? Oh, right, mass killings of civilians on Caldari Prime. And that's like, one of two negative stories on the Gallente in the last three years. I can't count the number of negative ones on the Caldari.
It might also be noted that nothing that the Federation does that is bad ever matters. It's like one person here or two people there, and they always have a justification for it. The few exceptions are natural disasters, but everyone gets those stories.
But when everyone is getting into DUST? Yeah, that's when they make sure that no one will want to sign up on the Caldari side for the next five years. |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:50:00 -
[164] - Quote
If James 315 and others can get over 50K-100K capsuleers to attack CONCORD stations and ships during this crisis...will that be newsworthy enough of a grassroots rebellion in concert with this event to accelerate roleplaying the fall of CONCORD everywhere except around rookie systems? |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:57:00 -
[165] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: So.... The entire Black Eagles plot line that has Gallente shooting Gallente is going after the Caldari? Really...... I'm amazed at you guys, you claim to be RP'ers and better than other MMO players. Yet you whine worse than WoW players.
You mean that plotline that's basically two posts that got buried right away? The one where a couple soldiers killed another couple soldiers? Oh my, how horrible. What were the Caldari reported to be doing at the time? Oh, right, mass killings of civilians on Caldari Prime. And that's like, one of two negative stories on the Gallente in the last three years. I can't count the number of negative ones on the Caldari. It might also be noted that nothing that the Federation does that is bad ever matters. It's like one person here or two people there, and they always have a justification for it. The few exceptions are natural disasters, but everyone gets those stories. But when everyone is getting into DUST? Yeah, that's when they make sure that no one will want to sign up on the Caldari side for the next five years.
Hey I think its just a few folk who can't figure out that those stories are about political power shifting back to warhawks in both Empires. That is the true power holders of both sides (Caldari and Gallente) want war and there were a few peace chickens standing in the way on each side that had to be swept out of the way first.
That internal strife and preparation is now over and both Empires are ready for some serious war until its just knives left. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
299
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:33:00 -
[166] - Quote
[10:16:17] Aquila Shadow > Deerin falcon came on and said everyone in system will get a suspect flag
If that's true, you just ruined any chance of this being an actual live event. You just made it a FFA killfest which will do nothing to help EVE story or Live Events. I'm REALLY hoping they are wrong, I really want to believe that there are those in CCP who see the lore and story of the game as more than something to get 2000 players in a system shooting each other for no reason other than they can.
I will sit back and wait now but today will be the day that shows me if CCP are interested in story and the RP community or keeping the mass population of KM-whoring morons happy. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
41
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:34:00 -
[167] - Quote
Turelus wrote:[10:16:17] Aquila Shadow > Deerin falcon came on and said everyone in system will get a suspect flag
If that's true, you just ruined any chance of this being an actual live event. You just made it a FFA killfest which will do nothing to help EVE story or Live Events. I'm REALLY hoping they are wrong, I really want to believe that there are those in CCP who see the lore and story of the game as more than something to get 2000 players in a system shooting each other for no reason other than they can.
I will sit back and wait now but today will be the day that shows me if CCP are interested in story and the RP community or keeping the mass population of KM-whoring morons happy.
Bah, I guess that's the only thing we can do for now, sit back, relax, watch the fireworks and see how it goes.
Verone seems to be set on his path so all we can do is hope that caldari / amarr will get some "awesome cinematic events" as well. |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:04:00 -
[168] - Quote
As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
280
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:12:00 -
[169] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now)
Wait, what? I thought this......
CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
....meant this wasn't possible. Who is telling fibs? |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
986
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:14:00 -
[170] - Quote
Spugg Galdon wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) Wait, what? I thought this...... CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
....meant this wasn't possible. Who is telling fibs?
War on the impossible ;) There will be 1 spawn of 4 NPCs that can easily be taken care of but the further spawns after the initial have been disabled. Hope this makes things a bit clearer and I hope to see some Caldari FW pilots defending their titan. CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
297
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:15:00 -
[171] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote: CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now
Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
Intex Encapor
22
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:19:00 -
[172] - Quote
ccp actually doing smth right, that's kinda new |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
1032
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:27:00 -
[173] - Quote
Spugg Galdon wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system. (This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) Wait, what? I thought this...... CCP Falcon wrote: To clear up the most common question:
It's not physically possible to just "turn off" factional warfare NPCs, or the status of a system as a Factional Warfare system. Whether or not players decide they want to depart from the militia for a few days or not is entirely their own choice.
....meant this wasn't possible. Who is telling fibs? No-one was telling fibs. Falcon was going by what I originally told him. Since then I found a way to make some changes just for this event. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Xray Nova
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:29:00 -
[174] - Quote
check contracts in luminaire for a gank thrasher package. 162 t1 thrashers with fittsing sof rgank arty, dual sebo + long point, or triple sebo for fast locking pod killers.
500M, works out to +3M/thrasher. go gogogogogogogo |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:32:00 -
[175] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply:
DISABLED: Faction Navy.
The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions.
NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD.
The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions
CONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Marcus Elius
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:37:00 -
[176] - Quote
That kinda sucks, most people who've been doing FW have naturally low security status due to having to engage suspicious neutrals in losec, so they're still disproportionally banned from the event. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
83
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:47:00 -
[177] - Quote
And again total fail by CCP. Nullsec peeps have the possibility to not kick their sec status. FW pilots WILL kick their sec status due to living in low sec and dealing with pirates every day. That means most people from fw can-¦t participate. Fail fail fail. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
98
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:51:00 -
[178] - Quote
I guess the lesson here is: If you want to be a part of Hi-Sec shenanigans, don't be evil. Cause, effect, etc... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ ...end transmission... |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
83
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:54:00 -
[179] - Quote
Quote:I guess the lesson here is: If you want to be a part of Hi-Sec shenanigans, don't be evil. Cause, effect, etc...
I think you have absolutely no clue^^ Fighting pirates= loosing sec status. Sorry that you are not common to pvp. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
743
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:56:00 -
[180] - Quote
Not sure why Nullsec should have sec issues, it's not like you lose anything shooting out there.
Still the announcement was yesterday, people have taken the time to rat up their sec status back to over -2.0. If you haven't then your loss. /shrug
EVE has consequences, enjoy! Enjoy your gaming.
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skyppye
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:58:00 -
[181] - Quote
"With Luminaire being a hotbed of activity in New Eden today, we will be ensuring server stability by having a population cap of 1000 players today, March 22nd. This cap has already been enacted, but we will be dynamically altering it as the server load requires and raising it if everything runs smoothly."
FAIL Never imagined a game with tens of thousands of subscriptions capping a game wide event at 1000 players...even Jita can support more than that:( |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
743
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:01:00 -
[182] - Quote
Seems like an initial cap to stop overflow and crashing, then increase it as and when needed. Enjoy your gaming.
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Merkal Aubauch
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
23
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:03:00 -
[183] - Quote
So will non FW ppl able to shoot other or is it only FW event?
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
849
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:04:00 -
[184] - Quote
skyppye wrote:
FAIL Never imagined a game with tens of thousands of subscriptions capping a game wide event at 1000 players...even Jita can support more than that:(
how many pleayers in Jita are undocked at any point in time? TEST alt - don't trust. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
276
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:05:00 -
[185] - Quote
"deep level of connection DUST has with EVE Online"
Hah! You're talking about the lag from the Asakai fight ruining dust gameplay or the tiny percentage that affects boring plexing mechanics in Terran FW systems?
Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep like an abyss. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:05:00 -
[186] - Quote
skyppye wrote:"With Luminaire being a hotbed of activity in New Eden today, we will be ensuring server stability by having a population cap of 1000 players today, March 22nd. This cap has already been enacted, but we will be dynamically altering it as the server load requires and raising it if everything runs smoothly."
FAIL Never imagined a game with tens of thousands of subscriptions capping a game wide event at 1000 players...even Jita can support more than that:(
Jita load and big fight load are very different. Please also note the part where it says we will be dynamically altering it. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
116
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:06:00 -
[187] - Quote
HAHA IM BRINGING NADOS AND IM GON KILL UR SPACESHIPS
UR GON BE SITTING ON THE GATE CLICK CLCIK CLICK SYSTEM IS FULL CLICK CLIKC
BOOM
WHERED MY SHIP GO BRO
AHAHAHA IT WAS ME |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
986
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:07:00 -
[188] - Quote
Merkal Aubauch wrote:So will non FW ppl able to shoot other or is it only FW event?
non-FW players will absolutely be able to shoot :) CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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Merkal Aubauch
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
23
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:09:00 -
[189] - Quote
CCP Affinity wrote:Merkal Aubauch wrote:So will non FW ppl able to shoot other or is it only FW event?
non-FW players will absolutely be able to shoot :)
When? :P I'm ready anytime :P |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
986
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:10:00 -
[190] - Quote
Merkal Aubauch wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:Merkal Aubauch wrote:So will non FW ppl able to shoot other or is it only FW event?
non-FW players will absolutely be able to shoot :) When? :P I'm ready anytime :P
soonGäó CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1318
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:18:00 -
[191] - Quote
So with a cap we can probably expect not to get higher than 1500 members is it even worth it for nullsec alliances to form up for this? You know, considering it's like a 40 jump travel :[ quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
288
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:23:00 -
[192] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:So with a cap we can probably expect not to get higher than 1500 members is it even worth it for nullsec alliances to form up for this? You know, considering it's like a 40 jump travel :[
You're absolutely right, totally not worth coming.
Do stay away. Please. |
Niraia
Tei-Su Acquisitions Tei-Su Syndicate
138
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:25:00 -
[193] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police.
It's disappointing that this is still an issue with live events. Out of interest, is it for technical reasons or story?
Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em Co-Owner and Chief of Security |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:27:00 -
[194] - Quote
lol capped at 1000. Only 28K in the game and system locked. Wonder what happens when the fraction of the other ~28K people that join at peak show up and can't get in.
Jita does it better...
So who got in? The Gallente or the Caldari? CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:28:00 -
[195] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:lol capped at 1000. Only 28K in the game and system locked. Wonder what happens when the fraction of the other ~28K people that join at peak show up and can't get in.
Jita does it better...
CCP Goliath wrote:Jita load and big fight load are very different. Please also note the part where it says we will be dynamically altering it.
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:33:00 -
[196] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:lol capped at 1000. Only 28K in the game and system locked. Wonder what happens when the fraction of the other ~28K people that join at peak show up and can't get in.
Jita does it better... CCP Goliath wrote:Jita load and big fight load are very different. Please also note the part where it says we will be dynamically altering it.
So let me know when you alter it. I can't log in my character there that I literally spent hours with moving in equipment in order to participate. Oh wait - U.S. tz here. Short. stick. end.
Remind me which CSM candidates have a cross section of non-EU tz and Live Eventson their platform?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1318
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:34:00 -
[197] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:lol capped at 1000. Only 28K in the game and system locked. Wonder what happens when the fraction of the other ~28K people that join at peak show up and can't get in.
Jita does it better... CCP Goliath wrote:Jita load and big fight load are very different. Please also note the part where it says we will be dynamically altering it.
What will the range be on the capping? 1000 <> 1500 or 1800 <> 2500? What's likely? What would you estimate? We'd love to form up tribe and join in on the festivities, but if I am gonna spend 30 min. trying to get 100 tribbles through the gate we might as well go roam or something. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:49:00 -
[198] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:lol capped at 1000. Only 28K in the game and system locked. Wonder what happens when the fraction of the other ~28K people that join at peak show up and can't get in.
Jita does it better... CCP Goliath wrote:Jita load and big fight load are very different. Please also note the part where it says we will be dynamically altering it. So let me know when you alter it. I can't log in my character there that I literally spent hours with moving in equipment in order to participate. Oh wait - U.S. tz here. Short. stick. end. Remind me which CSM candidates have a cross section of non-EU tz and Live Eventson their platform? Further thought - if you are going to over hype these things you need to come up with a system that won't waste customer time. How about a participation lottery? Something that get's drawn against days ahead of time. Then players can chose to use or sell the "ticket". Add'tl - ROFLMAO The blue donut people must be rolling on the floor - they fight under TiDi all the time. Live Events afraid of going into overtime?
We won't be able to announce when it gets altered due to the speed at which we will be managing it. Unfortunate, but unpreventable. TiDi will be in full effect in the event, but it can only go so far. Better to rev up slowly and ensure a stable environment than open the floodgates and hope for the best. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:50:00 -
[199] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:lol capped at 1000. Only 28K in the game and system locked. Wonder what happens when the fraction of the other ~28K people that join at peak show up and can't get in.
Jita does it better... CCP Goliath wrote:Jita load and big fight load are very different. Please also note the part where it says we will be dynamically altering it. What will the range be on the capping? 1000 <> 1500 or 1800 <> 2500? What's likely? What would you estimate? We'd love to form up tribe and join in on the festivities, but if I am gonna spend 30 min. trying to get 100 tribbles through the gate we might as well go roam or something.
My estimate is probably worth nothing, but I would love to see 2k! I'm not a server dude though, so don't know if that is feasible. Rest assured, it is not me that's on the dial
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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you're primary
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:51:00 -
[200] - Quote
Can you please open the gates ? |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2256
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:52:00 -
[201] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply: DISABLED: Faction Navy. The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions. NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD. The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_RestrictionsCONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443 This is pretty dumb.
If you want to enter Gallente space, don't be at war with the Gallente. Mane 614
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
720
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:08:00 -
[202] - Quote
I was hoping to get in on this event, but the way things are looking I might have to find something else to do :( Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:09:00 -
[203] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply: DISABLED: Faction Navy. The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions. NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD. The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_RestrictionsCONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443 This is pretty dumb. If you want to enter Gallente space, don't be at war with the Gallente.
This. I know guys that spent hours ratting to get their sec status up in order to participate.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Mandelbrot Fracture
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:19:00 -
[204] - Quote
Over 40k members online and you limit it to 1000 in sys, what a joke! Then you have the cheek to use this a a recruitment tool for EVE oh I'm so disappointed right now!
But it's ok you can watch it streaming. Whats the point in playing a game when you cant play you have to watch!!! (Officially my first time ever having a problem with CCP) |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:24:00 -
[205] - Quote
Mandelbrot Fracture wrote:Over 40k members online and you limit it to 1000 in sys, what a joke! Then you have the cheek to use this a a recruitment tool for EVE oh I'm so disappointed right now!
But it's ok you can watch it streaming. Whats the point in playing a game when you cant play you have to watch!!! (Officially my first time ever having a problem with CCP)
Things are happening now and the stream is dead - so yeah..
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Camper101
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
334
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:26:00 -
[206] - Quote
So, this means that CCP locks out 85% of the lowsec peeps from that event? C'mon, even evil Angels like myself like to lose a Machariel or two in dat system! F'k da police and disable them, pls :) 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
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space chikun
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
69
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:27:00 -
[207] - Quote
Marcus Elius wrote:That kinda sucks, most people who've been doing FW have naturally low security status due to having to engage suspicious neutrals in losec, so they're still disproportionally banned from the event.
Confirming that yet again, several members of our alliance were unable to participate, and not just because of security status. |
Jakob Anedalle
Beelzebub Corp
60
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:32:00 -
[208] - Quote
A buddy of mine moved his clone into system yesterday and now he can't even log in. Boots him out. So I guess the cap has already been hit. Trying out all the things to do here in Eve - it's quite a checklist. So I made a blog Jakob's Eve Checklist |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
328
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:39:00 -
[209] - Quote
Have to work today like many others who have posted.
While I can remotely access my game computer via VNC, it's far too laggy to do anything but change skills or station trade.
I'll check out the stream if it doesn't get too swamped. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
4545
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:44:00 -
[210] - Quote
We'll be increasing the cap as we can, keeping a close eye on how the servers are handling the load. However we will be waiting until the fighting starts before cranking up the cap, as the CPU load per pilot now is much different than it will be then. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Miranda Fluffbunny
Cold Nova Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:45:00 -
[211] - Quote
Well I will just hang out on this gate for a while then... |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:48:00 -
[212] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:We'll be increasing the cap as we can, keeping a close eye on how the servers are handling the load. However we will be waiting until the fighting starts before cranking up the cap, as the CPU load per pilot now is much different than it will be then.
I have reports of hundreds on the gates and who knows how many trying to log into clones already in system.
Me thinks you fail.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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asteroidjas
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
5
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:48:00 -
[213] - Quote
So, if the Faction police aren't following FW targets in Luminare, then why am i seeing this msg pop up every 30 seconds when someone tries to land on grid near the Titan?
14:41:50NotifyEnemies of the Gallente Federation are not welcome here - you will have but a few seconds to flee before we destroy your ship **** *******! |
Dorian Mirror
Glovis Corporation
15
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:53:00 -
[214] - Quote
asteroidjas wrote:So, if the Faction police aren't following FW targets in Luminare, then why am i seeing this msg pop up every 30 seconds when someone tries to land on grid near the Titan?
14:41:50NotifyEnemies of the Gallente Federation are not welcome here - you will have but a few seconds to flee before we destroy your ship **** *******!
The faction police still attacks pilots with low standings.
CCP Masterplan wrote:NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD. The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:53:00 -
[215] - Quote
asteroidjas wrote:So, if the Faction police aren't following FW targets in Luminare, then why am i seeing this msg pop up every 30 seconds when someone tries to land on grid near the Titan?
14:41:50NotifyEnemies of the Gallente Federation are not welcome here - you will have but a few seconds to flee before we destroy your ship **** *******!
They probably just put corks in their guns CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
41
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:55:00 -
[216] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply: DISABLED: Faction Navy. The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions. NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD. The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_RestrictionsCONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443
You're the best you guys.
My faith has been restored, let's hope many frogs die and lots of fireworks are had. |
skye orionis
No Bull Ships
1
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:56:00 -
[217] - Quote
I feel compelled to point out, that just disabling faction police in Luminaire is not enough, because FW pilots need to get to the system, and they're going to land on the gates, unable to get in and get attacked by NPCs. Whereas the Gallente/Minmatar FW pilots will be able to sit on said gates and spam jump for as long as they like.
At the very least Police need to be disabled in Algogille. |
Robot Robot
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:57:00 -
[218] - Quote
Took the morning off work and flew 20 jumps to sit in space on a non-functional gate.
Awesome. |
Lch'Daver
Marauder Aid Group SoulWing Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:00:00 -
[219] - Quote
was pretty gay to put a pop cap on this event, you hype up the community about it then, tell most of them they can't be apart of it, f***ed up imo |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
301
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:02:00 -
[220] - Quote
NPC Navy are still spawning and chasing. Is it confirmed if we kill the spawn chasing then another will not pop up? "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
920
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:17:00 -
[221] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply: DISABLED: Faction Navy. The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions. NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD. The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_RestrictionsCONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443
At work so not joining in but just gotta add this :
If you gave this message along with the cap a little earlier you know a LOAD of people probably wouldn't have spend time going there before today.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:19:00 -
[222] - Quote
flakeys wrote:At work so not joining in but just gotta add this : If you gave this message along with the cap a little earlier you know a LOAD of people probably wouldn't have spend time going there before today.
But then Marketing might have failed to get the video they want. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Shun Makoto
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
9
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:23:00 -
[223] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:As of DT today, the faction navy response in Luminaire has been deactivated. This means that members of Amarr and Caldari FW corps will not trigger a navy NPC response in the Luminaire system.
(This does NOT affect the police response to crimes and outlaws - CONCORD consequences will still be in effect for now) To expand a bit on the above reply: DISABLED: Faction Navy. The Faction Navy will not respond in Luminaire regardless of your faction status with the Gallente Federation, e.g., regardless of if you are allied with opposing factions. NOT DISABLED, still in full effect: Faction Police and CONCORD. The Faction Police is still operating and will respond if pilots with a bad security status enter the system (note, your security status is your standings with CONCORD). Since Luminaire is a 1.0 system then pilots with a security status of -2.0 or worse will be attacked by the Faction Police. For more details, please read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_RestrictionsCONCORD is also still operating and will respond to criminal acts with deadly force. For more details on Crimewatch and CONCORD's response, please read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443
This is no longer true. Faction Navy is spawning again forcing some of us into stations Caldari Independant Navy Reserve Fourth District Patriot Faction Former 22nd BRDU - Retired Milita Wing Commander
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
155
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:24:00 -
[224] - Quote
So you want to hold this massive event and then set the cap at 1000 people?
You should have move hardware and set up the system for a massive battle. What gives CCP?
I moved some ships to that system for replacements when I lose one and set up a clone there and now you are telling me I can't log in there? |
Shun Makoto
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
9
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:25:00 -
[225] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:So you want to hold this massive event and then set the cap at 1000 people?
You should have move hardware and set up the system for a massive battle. What gives CCP?
I moved some ships to that system for replacements when I lose one and set up a clone there and now you are telling me I can't log in there?
People are coming in a leaving all the time (probably by podding) just keep trying. Caldari Independant Navy Reserve Fourth District Patriot Faction Former 22nd BRDU - Retired Milita Wing Commander
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
920
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:25:00 -
[226] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:flakeys wrote:At work so not joining in but just gotta add this : If you gave this message along with the cap a little earlier you know a LOAD of people probably wouldn't have spend time going there before today. But then Marketing might have failed to get the video they want.
Indeed a good vid is better for marketing then rightfully informing the actuall players.
How could i have missed that.
Allmost all the comments made so far are things that could have been prevented with the right information given BEFORE today instead of slowly dripping it out the day the event is taking place.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
155
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:31:00 -
[227] - Quote
Shun Makoto wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:So you want to hold this massive event and then set the cap at 1000 people?
You should have move hardware and set up the system for a massive battle. What gives CCP?
I moved some ships to that system for replacements when I lose one and set up a clone there and now you are telling me I can't log in there? People are coming in a leaving all the time (probably by podding) just keep trying. Just had a friendly DED agent in Mies tell us the gate is off.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:36:00 -
[228] - Quote
Shun Makoto wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:So you want to hold this massive event and then set the cap at 1000 people?
You should have move hardware and set up the system for a massive battle. What gives CCP?
I moved some ships to that system for replacements when I lose one and set up a clone there and now you are telling me I can't log in there? People are coming in a leaving all the time (probably by podding) just keep trying.
Tried for over an hour. Screwed.
Report just in: 556 in Algogille - pict shows most of them on the Luminaire gate banging on THE DOOR. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
155
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:41:00 -
[229] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:Shun Makoto wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:So you want to hold this massive event and then set the cap at 1000 people?
You should have move hardware and set up the system for a massive battle. What gives CCP?
I moved some ships to that system for replacements when I lose one and set up a clone there and now you are telling me I can't log in there? People are coming in a leaving all the time (probably by podding) just keep trying. Tried for over an hour. Screwed. Yeah, from Mies, I have seen 3 gate activations so far, none of them were me >:( |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
721
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:42:00 -
[230] - Quote
No stream either Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
336
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:43:00 -
[231] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
And that's the funny part - RP in progress, but no streaming at all
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
325
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:45:00 -
[232] - Quote
CCP, thank you for disappointing the huge roleplay fanbase. For the climax of the sansha incursions, we had 1700 people without TiDi in Yulai.
Now, epic change the shape of eve, you cap it to 1000 cutting out anybody who couldnt downtime log in? I am sorry, but what the heck? Systems havent had pop caps like that for years and work fine! We have over 600 people on this gate alone without any TiDi
It really does hurt to how badly you have affected us players. Live events are a major thing for me and a main attraction, yet we get excluded simply because we couldn't downtime login. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
754
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:45:00 -
[233] - Quote
skyppye wrote:"With Luminaire being a hotbed of activity in New Eden today, we will be ensuring server stability by having a population cap of 1000 players today, March 22nd. This cap has already been enacted, but we will be dynamically altering it as the server load requires and raising it if everything runs smoothly."
FAIL Never imagined a game with tens of thousands of subscriptions capping a game wide event at 1000 players...even Jita can support more than that:(
1000 peeps? I thought reinforced nodes in NULL have WAY bigger CAPs, no? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
156
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:47:00 -
[234] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote: So we can't even have our consolation prize?
That's certainly a nice ****-up on CCP's part. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
754
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:49:00 -
[235] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Report just in: 556 in Algogille - pict shows most of them on the Luminaire gate banging on THE DOOR.
Reminds me of the door to CQ locked for ever Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Jakob Anedalle
Beelzebub Corp
60
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:05:00 -
[236] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Stream says it starts at 13:00 Eastern, which is 55 minutes away from now as of this post. Thus, no stream.
Trying out all the things to do here in Eve - it's quite a checklist. So I made a blog Jakob's Eve Checklist |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
721
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:09:00 -
[237] - Quote
Jakob Anedalle wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Stream says it starts at 13:00 Eastern, which is 55 minutes away from now as of this post. Thus, no stream. Fair enough Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:14:00 -
[238] - Quote
Jakob Anedalle wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Stream says it starts at 13:00 Eastern, which is 55 minutes away from now as of this post. Thus, no stream.
Correct. But my sources in system tell me RP is happening NOW (and have been for sometime)
For instance, Titan just blapped a DED BS CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
125
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:14:00 -
[239] - Quote
I have to wonder if the 1,000 pilot cap is because this is a Dust Bunny event as well and that is drawing down resources in addition. And they want to make sure things go smoothly for them. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
721
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:20:00 -
[240] - Quote
Stream is up Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1429
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:21:00 -
[241] - Quote
Krell Kroenen wrote:I have to wonder if the 1,000 pilot cap is because this is a Dust Bunny event as well and that is drawing down resources in addition. And they want to make sure things go smoothly for them.
Nah it-¦s not affected by DUST CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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MoonCat79
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:22:00 -
[242] - Quote
pretty fail that many people can't jump in ... |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:22:00 -
[243] - Quote
CCP not streaming, but third party is - I won't link since CCP is so twitchy about things out of their control, but its on one of the major EVE news/blog sites. :) CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:23:00 -
[244] - Quote
skyppye wrote:"With Luminaire being a hotbed of activity in New Eden today, we will be ensuring server stability by having a population cap of 1000 players today, March 22nd. This cap has already been enacted, but we will be dynamically altering it as the server load requires and raising it if everything runs smoothly."
FAIL Never imagined a game with tens of thousands of subscriptions capping a game wide event at 1000 players...even Jita can support more than that:(
1000 EVE combatants is a lot considering the database portion is ALSO supporting ALL the DUST combatants who can make it there. so more like 16K combatant on database portions. Fortunately the EVE game action is executed on separate server from DUST. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1429
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:26:00 -
[245] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP not streaming, but third party is - I won't link since CCP is so twitchy about things out of their control, but its on one of the major EVE news/blog sites. :)
We are streaming... http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/new
You might need to refresh if you've been watching for ages CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:28:00 -
[246] - Quote
Krell Kroenen wrote:I have to wonder if the 1,000 pilot cap is because this is a Dust Bunny event as well and that is drawing down resources in addition. And they want to make sure things go smoothly for them.
separate servers for game execution. Only certain databases are common...and probably the reason for the cap.
Don't want market to crash and DUST bunnies unable to buy more ammo do we (* watching 100s of rabid EVE heads shaking yes that would be fun *).
Plus of course orbital bombardment interface is probably not designed to have 100s of responding pilots for every target.
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Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
167
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:35:00 -
[247] - Quote
So are faction police getting disabled along with Concord or not? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
432
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:46:00 -
[248] - Quote
Note to CCP Rise - It's pronounced "Gallent-ay" he's missing the last syllable :( |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Atrocitas
313
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:06:00 -
[249] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP not streaming, but third party is - I won't link since CCP is so twitchy about things out of their control, but its on one of the major EVE news/blog sites. :) We are streaming... http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/newYou might need to refresh if you've been watching for ages
still wont load Proud CEO of Heretic Army and loyal servent to Mother Amamake. COME AT ME BRO! Forums: http://forum.heretic-army.biz/index.php-á Killboard: http://kb.heretic-army.biz/ Follow me on twitter @KarlPlanck |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:16:00 -
[250] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP not streaming, but third party is - I won't link since CCP is so twitchy about things out of their control, but its on one of the major EVE news/blog sites. :) We are streaming... http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/newYou might need to refresh if you've been watching for ages
pretty please for us at work can you put it on youtube after its all said and done? Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
302
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:30:00 -
[251] - Quote
Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:35:00 -
[252] - Quote
Turelus wrote:Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined.
poor carebear got killed?
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
58
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:35:00 -
[253] - Quote
Turelus wrote:Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined.
I think there's bigger issues here, considering that there are 5x as many dreads for the Gallente as there are for the Caldari. |
Klarion Sythis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
154
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:42:00 -
[254] - Quote
No one's ever happy. |
Yasmine Tang
Yogis Joint Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:44:00 -
[255] - Quote
Disable police in the systems where people wait to get in. It is annoying to warp around planets just to dodge white crosses. |
Intex Encapor
22
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:48:00 -
[256] - Quote
well flagging everyone turned the event in just a big clusterf*. might have been better ways to deal with that |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
287
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:51:00 -
[257] - Quote
It is not bad. But knowing before the fight even begun that Gallente will destroy the titan is a bit not EVEish. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:10:00 -
[258] - Quote
just gonna turn concord on to see what happens |
Risingson
60
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:16:00 -
[259] - Quote
epic fail Eveeye Prototype YD-114 Onboard Computer Systems |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:19:00 -
[260] - Quote
eve is real
not the roleplaying, you're just a spectator for ccp devs having their own fun roleplaying in which you are entirely shut out of relevance
what's real is getting your ship killed for spectating
lawl |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:21:00 -
[261] - Quote
we no longer use QA shield extenders!
we just drop CCP dreads in 1.0 systems and use aoe dds to ensure exactly what was planned happens because we didn't get the message that scripting events and barring players from interfering is dumb we just thought they were mad about that one specific mod
coming up for next event: Polaris shield extenders, with twice the hp of QA shield extenders |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
430
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:24:00 -
[262] - Quote
to be fair though i did appreciate ccp forcing pubbies to endure the lag and issues 0.0 has had to deal with forever re servers melting |
Dracus Blackstar
Blackstar Consulting
2
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:32:00 -
[263] - Quote
"I was there." Trucking plenty of ships and modules into Luminaire the night before, with the intention of throwing them into the fray until I ran out. Telling myself the effort will be worth it to get into an epic battle and be a part of shaping EVE history. It'll be worth it because I'll be able to say "I was there."
"I was there." On the Luminaire gate in Algogille in a massive ball of hundreds of other ships trying desperately to get into the system, alternately mashing "jump" and dodging gank tornados.
"I was there." On the login screen of my alt character I left in Luminaire, repeatedly trying to log in to at least make a few tackles or get a view of the action with more than the handful of frames per second the live stream was capable of.
I was still "there" an hour or so later when the Titan went down, having never entered the system nor fired a shot.
Still, at least "I was there". Right guys? Right?
Perhaps one day EVE's infrastructure will be able to cash the cheques the marketing department keeps writing.
Hope those lucky enough to get in system had a good time. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:37:00 -
[264] - Quote
Real classy move turning Concord back on just because you want to go home CCP.
A class unto itself.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
931
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:41:00 -
[265] - Quote
I came into system a few hours earlier, flew around and shot some guys. I liked it.
I wonder how much effect the players really had on the titan's/dreads' hitpoints, though, considering all the players were in subcaps and the majority sub-BS? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
757
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:45:00 -
[266] - Quote
Got in after 4 hours \o/ Sigh... spent 4 hours moving stuf to Luminaire yesterday, today spent 4+ hours trying to get back in & still haven't gotten in :(
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Selmak Kado
Tok'Ra.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:11:00 -
[267] - Quote
My thorax survived, thank you LAG. I had an 6-7 minute long figth locking and turning my ship towards a Corax, but i don't think my ship ever fired a single shot. I know i shot some capitals , bu it took 10 minutes to lock the bastards. I remember getting so fed up with trying to warp, that i tried to close the game. But then The game crashed my computer instead.. Oh how I miss those good'ol figths in 0.0 NOT. Next time, why not keep the population cap at 750? Maybe then, after turning off all graphix, effects, brackets. the figth would be manageble.. This was pretty much horrible.. Maybe turn off crime watch?? |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
339
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:25:00 -
[268] - Quote
Annnnd...CCP makes sure that the Gallente have more dreadnoughts alone than the Caldari have capitals, period. As I said, a complete and totally railroaded set-up. |
Rekkr Thorgard
Strategic Tactics And Recon Academy Strategic Tactics And Recon Corporate Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:27:00 -
[269] - Quote
And the scripted marketing ploy for PAX has come to its predetermined conclusion. Lol, screw you, NA timezones. |
Shobon Welp
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
66
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:30:00 -
[270] - Quote
Hey CCP, next time just run a downtime cutscene like you did with the Nyx crashing into the station. |
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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
66
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:31:00 -
[271] - Quote
Did the CCP-run capfleet pilots count towards the 1000 player system cap?
Because if so ell emm ayy oh. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
165
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:35:00 -
[272] - Quote
Turelus wrote:Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined. THe Global flag isn't what bothered me, though I agree it did bring in a lot of people there just to shoot everyone.
The big problem I had was that you couldn't tell whose side everyone was on. i wanted to be shooting Gallente supporters and defending my Caldari brethren, but there's no way to know who that is. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
339
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:38:00 -
[273] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:Turelus wrote:Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined. THe Global flag isn't what bothered me, though I agree it did bring in a lot of people there just to shoot everyone. The big problem I had was that you couldn't tell whose side everyone was on. i wanted to be shooting Gallente supporters and defending my Caldari brethren, but there's no way to know who that is.
Dude, it doesn't matter. CCP scripted the event for the Titan to go down. Whatever happened with the capsuleers, you were going to lose. That's why they brought in more Moro's then the Caldari had cap ships, and that's how they run live events. If you don't like being a punching bag, don't be there in the future. |
Shobon Welp
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
66
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:39:00 -
[274] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:Annnnd...CCP makes sure that the Gallente have more dreadnoughts alone than the Caldari have capitals, period. As I said, a complete and totally railroaded set-up. No killmail was generated for the Titan, I take it? Would be pretty funny to see the details of that since I suspect 90% of the damage was caused by the CCP-run dreadfleet and the player involvement in affecting the outcome of this event was effectively zero. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
433
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:43:00 -
[275] - Quote
Shobon Welp wrote:Vikarion wrote:Annnnd...CCP makes sure that the Gallente have more dreadnoughts alone than the Caldari have capitals, period. As I said, a complete and totally railroaded set-up. No killmail was generated for the Titan, I take it? Would be pretty funny to see the details of that since I suspect 90% of the damage was caused by the CCP-run dreadfleet and the player involvement in affecting the outcome of this event was effectively zero.
I think the only part that really was affected by player actions was the DUST guys - I think if Caldari had a victory in the DUST battles, then the ground forces would have re-established contact with the titan and the titan would have glassed all the Gallente civilians as threatened earlier before dieing.
Face it - in the Gallente home system, the only reason the Caldari fleet stayed there so long was not due to ship dominance in space, but the threat to glass all the Gallente civilians on the planet if the Gallente attacked the Caldari fleet in orbit. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
165
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:44:00 -
[276] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:Turelus wrote:Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined. THe Global flag isn't what bothered me, though I agree it did bring in a lot of people there just to shoot everyone. The big problem I had was that you couldn't tell whose side everyone was on. i wanted to be shooting Gallente supporters and defending my Caldari brethren, but there's no way to know who that is. Dude, it doesn't matter. CCP scripted the event for the Titan to go down. Whatever happened with the capsuleers, you were going to lose. That's why they brought in more Moro's then the Caldari had cap ships, and that's how they run live events. If you don't like being a punching bag, don't be there in the future. Yeah it is annoying that it was scripted, but it still would have been more interesting if it were caldari loyalists vs gallente loyalists rather than a generalized clusterfuck. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
339
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:46:00 -
[277] - Quote
Shobon Welp wrote:Vikarion wrote:Annnnd...CCP makes sure that the Gallente have more dreadnoughts alone than the Caldari have capitals, period. As I said, a complete and totally railroaded set-up. No killmail was generated for the Titan, I take it? Would be pretty funny to see the details of that since I suspect 90% of the damage was caused by the CCP-run dreadfleet and the player involvement in affecting the outcome of this event was effectively zero.
You are very optimistic as to the level of player involvement. As I understand from battle reports, the Leviathan was actually holding steady shields due to players remote-repping it, so CCP just kept bringing in more Moro's in on it until it cracked. It's not just a predetermined outcome, CCP had to work hard to make the efforts on one side totally pointless. And they did. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
339
|
Posted - 2013.03.22 19:48:00 -
[278] - Quote
chatgris wrote:I think the only part that really was affected by player actions was the DUST guys - I think if Caldari had a victory in the DUST battles, then the ground forces would have re-established contact with the titan and the titan would have glassed all the Gallente civilians as threatened earlier before dieing.
Face it - in the Gallente home system, the only reason the Caldari fleet stayed there so long was not due to ship dominance in space, but the threat to glass all the Gallente civilians on the planet if the Gallente attacked the Caldari fleet in orbit. It makes perfect sense that the Gallente brought and overwhelming space fleet to fight the Caldari in a Gallente home system.
According to battle reports, the Caldari Dusties had a narrow lead over the Gallente Dusties for much, if not all, of the space battle. But it's a good lesson for them: CCP will make sure the Gallente win.
EDIT: Yeah, checked again. The Caldari Dusties had maintained a narrow lead through the time that the Leviathan was going into armor. I don't know about after that, I imagine some of them got discouraged after seeing that nothing they did made any difference. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
433
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:51:00 -
[279] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:chatgris wrote:I think the only part that really was affected by player actions was the DUST guys - I think if Caldari had a victory in the DUST battles, then the ground forces would have re-established contact with the titan and the titan would have glassed all the Gallente civilians as threatened earlier before dieing.
Face it - in the Gallente home system, the only reason the Caldari fleet stayed there so long was not due to ship dominance in space, but the threat to glass all the Gallente civilians on the planet if the Gallente attacked the Caldari fleet in orbit. It makes perfect sense that the Gallente brought and overwhelming space fleet to fight the Caldari in a Gallente home system. According to battle reports, the Caldari Dusties had a narrow lead over the Gallente Dusties for much, if not all, of the space battle. But it's a good lesson for them: CCP will make sure the Gallente win.
They said the Caldari had a lead in instance battles, but the Gallente were ahead in Mercenary contracts.
I don't know what that means, I play eve not DUST.
They said that the lead in instance battles was 6 out of 600 battles they said. I am assuming there was some threshold where a large enough percentage on the Caldari side would have triggerred a re-establishment of ground control, and a 1% lead isn't that significant. And no significant lead was established before the titan died.
Having said that, I don't care for DUST having an impact on FW, but that's not in our control. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
339
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:54:00 -
[280] - Quote
chatgris wrote:They said the Caldari had a lead in instance battles, but the Gallente were ahead in Mercenary contracts.
I don't know what that means, I play eve not DUST.
They said that the lead in instance battles was 6 out of 600 battles they said. I am assuming there was some threshold where a large enough percentage on the Caldari side would have triggerred a re-establishment of ground control, and a 1% lead isn't that significant.
Having said that, I don't care for DUST having an impact on FW, but that's not in our control.
What matters, as I understand, are victories. And the Caldari had more of those. Not that it matters. Oh, and it's not really a fair playing field if for us to win, we have to have a huge margin, but for you to win, you just have to not lose by a huge amount. But that's not what this was. Let's be honest: CCP wrote the scripts, map, and dialogue for this weeks ago, and the players being there or not meant nothing to the outcome.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
433
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:58:00 -
[281] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:chatgris wrote:They said the Caldari had a lead in instance battles, but the Gallente were ahead in Mercenary contracts.
I don't know what that means, I play eve not DUST.
They said that the lead in instance battles was 6 out of 600 battles they said. I am assuming there was some threshold where a large enough percentage on the Caldari side would have triggerred a re-establishment of ground control, and a 1% lead isn't that significant.
Having said that, I don't care for DUST having an impact on FW, but that's not in our control. What matters, as I understand, are victories. And the Caldari had more of those. Not that it matters. Oh, and it's not really a fair playing field if for us to win, we have to have a huge margin, but for you to win, you just have to not lose by a huge amount. But that's not what this was. Let's be honest: CCP wrote the scripts, map, and dialogue for this weeks ago, and the players being there or not meant nothing to the outcome.
With that I agree, this battle was definitely tilted against the Caldari. But
a) The current setup with a few Caldari ships in the Gallente home system was already a losing proposition. b) Maybe the captain of the Leviathon decided against glassing 10's of millions of civilians at the last moment. If I were Caldari, I'd be somewhat proud of that. (Or if A gallente ship in a similar situation decided not to glass 10's of millions of Caldari citizens, I'd also be proud for my faction).
The Leviathon was going to die either way. At least it didn't result in the mass death of civilians.
Though, to add to "this was a setup for the Caldari to lose" - Do you think it would have been a victory if the Leviathon mass murdered civilians? Either way, I think it would look bad for the Caldari.
This outcome was probably the best possible one for the Caldari State for this live event from an RP perspective. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
340
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:01:00 -
[282] - Quote
chatgris wrote:[quote=Vikarion] With that I agree, this battle was definitely tilted against the Caldari. But
a) The current setup with a few Caldari ships in the Gallente home system was already a losing proposition. b) Maybe the captain of the Leviathon decided against glassing 10's of millions of civilians at the last moment. If I were Caldari, I'd be somewhat proud of that. (Or if A gallente ship in a similar situation decided not to glass 10's of millions of Caldari citizens, I'd also be proud for my faction).
The Leviathon was going to die either way. At least it didn't result in the mass death of civilians.
Though, to add to "this was a setup for the Caldari to lose" - Do you think it would have been a victory if the Leviathon mass murdered civilians? Either way, I think it would look bad for the Caldari.
Oh, no, CCP didn't even want us to have that. They had the captain keep spooling up the DD device to fire it at the planet, but ten seconds before the titan died, so that Gallente could have their "heroic victory over the genocidal Caldari". There are some logs posted around, take a look. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1354
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:04:00 -
[283] - Quote
So, how went that? Did CCP Backfire win the day? Again? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
433
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:08:00 -
[284] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:chatgris wrote:[quote=Vikarion] With that I agree, this battle was definitely tilted against the Caldari. But
a) The current setup with a few Caldari ships in the Gallente home system was already a losing proposition. b) Maybe the captain of the Leviathon decided against glassing 10's of millions of civilians at the last moment. If I were Caldari, I'd be somewhat proud of that. (Or if A gallente ship in a similar situation decided not to glass 10's of millions of Caldari citizens, I'd also be proud for my faction).
The Leviathon was going to die either way. At least it didn't result in the mass death of civilians.
Though, to add to "this was a setup for the Caldari to lose" - Do you think it would have been a victory if the Leviathon mass murdered civilians? Either way, I think it would look bad for the Caldari. Oh, no, CCP didn't even want us to have that. They had the captain keep spooling up the DD device to fire it at the planet, but ten seconds before the titan died, so that Gallente could have their "heroic victory over the genocidal Caldari". There are some logs posted around, take a look.
Ah OK. I actually missed the death of the titan since I had be on a meeting at work :( (I had the screen on, but only partial attention and sound off).
Ah well, my point is this entire situation could be nothing but a loss for the Caldari from the very first time the titan was put in orbit. But yea, I think it would have looked a lot better for the Caldari if they chose to not try and wipe out masses of civilians.
I guess when you side with the evil side in RP, they try to do evil things |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
340
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:18:00 -
[285] - Quote
chatgris wrote:I guess when you side with the evil side in RP, they try to do evil things
When most of us joined Caldari, they weren't the evil side. This used to be a game with an interesting storyline. TonyG and Falcon have been busy turning it into Star Wars - young children's edition. |
JamesCLK
292
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:27:00 -
[286] - Quote
Well that was a huge letdown. Malcanis, Mynnna and Ripard Teg for CSM 8! |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:44:00 -
[287] - Quote
Vikarion wrote:chatgris wrote:They said the Caldari had a lead in instance battles, but the Gallente were ahead in Mercenary contracts.
I don't know what that means, I play eve not DUST.
They said that the lead in instance battles was 6 out of 600 battles they said. I am assuming there was some threshold where a large enough percentage on the Caldari side would have triggerred a re-establishment of ground control, and a 1% lead isn't that significant.
Having said that, I don't care for DUST having an impact on FW, but that's not in our control. What matters, as I understand, are victories. And the Caldari had more of those. Not that it matters. Oh, and it's not really a fair playing field if for us to win, we have to have a huge margin, but for you to win, you just have to not lose by a huge amount. But that's not what this was. Let's be honest: CCP wrote the scripts, map, and dialogue for this weeks ago, and the players being there or not meant nothing to the outcome.
CCP has been complaining of the man power crunch to run this. They could have turned it over to the mission AI and everything would have worked out just like it was scripted.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:46:00 -
[288] - Quote
Obviously there should have been celestial recruiting agents for each factional warfare group in the system.Maybe more than one if you made them desructible or conveniently near each gate.
CCP you still got time to things right. Spawn a site and recruiting agents for each faction warfare group. |
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
5
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:01:00 -
[289] - Quote
I'm very dissapointed again. This event proved me again, that the live events not for me. All of them were the far side of New Eden from me. And when i went through half New Eden, or tried to join with an alt, i only got Traffic advisory, lag, bad player experience.
On top on that, as the Caldari havent got a chance to win, CCP should play it fair: Gallente should pay the price too. If not the direct impact, but the longterm fallout effects. Gallente should learn the lesson not to destroy a Titan in low orbit without consequeces.
Sadly, I wouldnt try live events for a while again. :(
Last words: if the event mostly scripted, would be better next time to make a great movie, instead of lag and hundreds waiting to participate in the event. Less angry customers, more love for EVE. |
Scarlett PoiviE
D.R.E.A.D. Consultations Lmtd Criminal Minds
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:09:00 -
[290] - Quote
LOL... well, had a nice lil comment page written up... and your forum randomly deleted it and go figure, the "draft" saved didn't return any of it, so in summation : that was a humungous waste of time sitting on a gate for 4 hours while you put no effort into making it a fun event for the community, or even allowing participation. If you can't do it right, then don't bother doing it at all, and I'm sure all the folks who spent their afternoon waiting on a high sec gate ( at war, mind you) for a fight that they never got to participate in appreciate your obvious sterling judgment and fantastic efforts to include everyone, pirate and not. Congrats on the epic fail, both the event, and forum. |
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
81
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:21:00 -
[291] - Quote
This whole thing is a big waste. Most lowsec living FW pilots that pvp and plex, and don't run missions, are locked out due to sec status from having to shoot pirates. Meanwhile the nullbears that get huge sec status gains for shooting npc BSs get to take part.
Incredibly stupid design. Hey CCP how about upping the sec status gain for lowsec rats and ratting. This might put more people in belts there, liven it up. Then reduce the sec status gain for Nullsec rats or rat BSs. Afterall who's even there from concord to record the kills.
Make these fixes and maybe next time your live event involving "FW" will have more FW player participation and less nullbear we ***** on everything participation. Thanks.
As another note to the Aren't we so downtrodden Caldari RP on steroids whiners (and not all of you are, some of you are welcome budds to see in system and have a fight with) what do you expect? The game from the getgo had the Caldari as essentially crony capitalist space ***** and the Amarr as slave owning religious nutbags. If you didn't want to rp that why did you even click those races and bloodlines. You could have been libertine socialist hippy horndogs with a dollop of hypocrisy |
DrHekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:25:00 -
[292] - Quote
Bloody missed it
I thought this was a all weekend event. |
Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
371
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:40:00 -
[293] - Quote
I know it would be bloody difficult to make happen, but next time CCP plans a live event, where the ending is pre-determined, "No matter the action of the players", we should boycott it. Get enough people in system, prior to the event, in shuttles, then just not show up on grid. The whole thing was a joke anyway, and I count myself among those who are offended that this was sold as something the players could participate in, when their actions were about as much as yelling at fighter jets in the sky during an airshow.
Two thumbs down, CCP
Let's boycott/lock out the next event. |
Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
32
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:42:00 -
[294] - Quote
Well that was to be expected of CCP, screwing up yet again ... so much for the sandbox ... Would love to bring my own supers to galente prime and hold those galenteans hostage, but as that's not possible will have to wait till CCP decides to side with the Caldari for once .... |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
82
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:46:00 -
[295] - Quote
Isbariya wrote:Well that was to be expected of CCP, screwing up yet again ... so much for the sandbox ... Would love to bring my own supers to galente prime and hold those galenteans hostage, but as that's not possible will have to wait till CCP decides to side with the Caldari for once .... See this is what I'm talking about. This isn't the Intergalactic Summit in-character subforum. So I'm wondering if you really are such a sad specimen of human that you really think of yourself as "Caldari." And see CCP as some evil god (that is really Gallente, OMG SO UNFAIR, WHAAAA) that only wants you and your chosen race to suffer. |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
725
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:51:00 -
[296] - Quote
I think 75% of the people that were there when everyone got flagged, was thinking "Fuuu*k, who is who??" And why can't we choose side in dust? Theres no friendly fire to atleast try help your side... |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
280
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:57:00 -
[297] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Vikarion wrote:chatgris wrote:[quote=Vikarion] With that I agree, this battle was definitely tilted against the Caldari. But
a) The current setup with a few Caldari ships in the Gallente home system was already a losing proposition. b) Maybe the captain of the Leviathon decided against glassing 10's of millions of civilians at the last moment. If I were Caldari, I'd be somewhat proud of that. (Or if A gallente ship in a similar situation decided not to glass 10's of millions of Caldari citizens, I'd also be proud for my faction).
The Leviathon was going to die either way. At least it didn't result in the mass death of civilians.
Though, to add to "this was a setup for the Caldari to lose" - Do you think it would have been a victory if the Leviathon mass murdered civilians? Either way, I think it would look bad for the Caldari. Oh, no, CCP didn't even want us to have that. They had the captain keep spooling up the DD device to fire it at the planet, but ten seconds before the titan died, so that Gallente could have their "heroic victory over the genocidal Caldari". There are some logs posted around, take a look. Ah OK. I actually missed the death of the titan since I had be on a meeting at work :( (I had the screen on, but only partial attention and sound off). Ah well, my point is this entire situation could be nothing but a loss for the Caldari from the very first time the titan was put in orbit. But yea, I think it would have looked a lot better for the Caldari if they chose to not try and wipe out masses of civilians. I guess when you side with the evil side in RP, they try to do evil things Caldari aren't evil any more than the Minmatar are heroic and noble freedom fighting good guys. All empires are firmly in the grey, and if you don't think so you should check out the things they stand for and do when waging war.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
302
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Posted - 2013.03.22 22:31:00 -
[298] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:Turelus wrote:Event ruined by the global flags Any chance of a Gallente vs Caldari RP event was ruined. THe Global flag isn't what bothered me, though I agree it did bring in a lot of people there just to shoot everyone. The big problem I had was that you couldn't tell whose side everyone was on. i wanted to be shooting Gallente supporters and defending my Caldari brethren, but there's no way to know who that is. Agreed, we wanted to do what we could but really had no option but to welp a fleet if we wanted to join in with the fight. Being in a 20man Alliance fleet meant we were red/neut/blinky to 980 people... "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Vindictus Thiesant
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:17:00 -
[299] - Quote
Really great event for my first after almost 4 years. As always tidi was really rough, glad I was just cloaked up and sitting in the bleachers to watch.
I was REALLY hoping the rumored Solteur Titans were going to make an appearance though to finish off the Shiigeru but anyway I really enjoyed it. Great job to events team and screw the whiners. There will always be complainers no matter what.
Looking forward to meeting the Live events team members at my first Fanfest this year and maybe sharing some great ideas for futrure events over some Brennivin. ( which I hear is awful : ) )
Fly safe, or not o7
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
758
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:20:00 -
[300] - Quote
It took me 4 hours before spamming the Enter Game key finally let my main in. The 1000 CAP sucked ballz... I did not feel like I was there. I felt like I was banging on the CQ door
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1735
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:40:00 -
[301] - Quote
Arronicus wrote:I know it would be bloody difficult to make happen, but next time CCP plans a live event, where the ending is pre-determined, "No matter the action of the players", we should boycott it. Get enough people in system, prior to the event, in shuttles, then just not show up on grid. The whole thing was a joke anyway, and I count myself among those who are offended that this was sold as something the players could participate in, when their actions were about as much as yelling at fighter jets in the sky during an airshow.
Two thumbs down, CCP
Let's boycott/lock out the next event. Short of time-travel, how do you propose finding out that the event is pre-determined to boycott it? I mean, there were clues on this occasion like the leaked titan wreck in Dust, but until things kicked off it wasn't totally clear just how one-sidedly things had been arranged.
Unfortunately what I'd expect is not that there will be some deliberate attempt at an orchestrated boycott, but that people will simply lose interest in these CCP-led Un-Roleplay sessions and just not bother to show up.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
347
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:47:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote: Short of time-travel, how do you propose finding out that the event is pre-determined to boycott it? I mean, there were clues on this occasion like the leaked titan wreck in Dust, but until things kicked off it wasn't totally clear just how one-sidedly things had been arranged.
Unfortunately what I'd expect is not that there will be some deliberate attempt at an orchestrated boycott, but that people will simply lose interest in these CCP-led Un-Roleplay sessions and just not bother to show up.
Wrong question. The question is, how could you know that an event wasn't?
Historically, just about all of CCP's live events have been pre-determined. Goons discovered that when they tried to pop the tribal leader's ships a couple events back. I discovered it in a recent event. Now Caldari and Dust players have discovered it when CCP brings in 30+ dev dreadnoughts to make sure players don't have a shot at winning, no matter if Dusties were winning on the ground and players were repping the titan and killing Gallente ships.
The correct response to a live event is not to bother if you are on the Amarr or Caldari side, because we have been the designated losers for the past 5 years. Even when the Caldari took every system and held it, CCP wrote it up as a situation where the Caldari invested too much into the systems, lost everything, and went into economic recession. The Amarr and Caldari factions only exist at this point as something for the Minnies and Gals (as the designated good guys) to beat.
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Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
34
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:15:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Isbariya wrote:Well that was to be expected of CCP, screwing up yet again ... so much for the sandbox ... Would love to bring my own supers to galente prime and hold those galenteans hostage, but as that's not possible will have to wait till CCP decides to side with the Caldari for once .... See this is what I'm talking about. This isn't the Intergalactic Summit in-character subforum. So I'm wondering if you really are such a sad specimen of human that you really think of yourself as "Caldari." And see CCP as some evil god (that is really Gallente, OMG SO UNFAIR, WHAAAA) that only wants you and your chosen race to suffer.
Well I don't RP I can just identify myself quite good with the caldari for some how. Some do outrageous things for their favorite soccer team or whatever sport they like most, why shouldn't I do the same with a faction in a game, I don't see much of a difference there. My opinion is that CCP tried to do a good athing but screwed it up by not sticking to the very thing I think most of us love about this game, taht you can do whatever you want in whatever way you want it. By having a fixd outcome no matter what the Caldari side did they betrayed their own game in some way and that is what I hate about these live events. Sure I don't want some Goons to just show up and alpha a head of state, but if they bring like a hundred players and organize a nice ambush, why shouldn't they be able to ? Same goes for the Titan, if the Galenteans killed the titan by brute force and larger numbers, I don't have a problem, I would be mad at my faction and would likely shot some Galenteans if they happen to pas by but other then taht, no. But by fixing the outcome it was just pointless to show up and that's what makes me mad about CCP.
Therefore I personaly don't need any more live events if the players can't influence the outcome in the slightest, better just create some nice cutscenes for it or some chronicles, at least there anyone can participate ... |
Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
373
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:17:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Arronicus wrote:I know it would be bloody difficult to make happen, but next time CCP plans a live event, where the ending is pre-determined, "No matter the action of the players", we should boycott it. Get enough people in system, prior to the event, in shuttles, then just not show up on grid. The whole thing was a joke anyway, and I count myself among those who are offended that this was sold as something the players could participate in, when their actions were about as much as yelling at fighter jets in the sky during an airshow.
Two thumbs down, CCP
Let's boycott/lock out the next event. Short of time-travel, how do you propose finding out that the event is pre-determined to boycott it? I mean, there were clues on this occasion like the leaked titan wreck in Dust, but until things kicked off it wasn't totally clear just how one-sidedly things had been arranged. Unfortunately what I'd expect is not that there will be some deliberate attempt at an orchestrated boycott, but that people will simply lose interest in these CCP-led Un-Roleplay sessions and just not bother to show up.
I think it's fair to say, based on this event, and what CCP's official statements have been on this event, and prospect of not-so-distant-future-events, (roughly; we don't see players influencing the outcome of these sorts of events anytime so), that any near future 'live player events' will be similarly scripted.
I do hope you're right, that people will lose interest, because that will achieve a similar means of what I proposed. CCP realizing that this sort of 'come participate, but we're going to godmode it anyways, so just shoot eachother and watch' live event is a slap in the face to interactive roleplay and the sandbox design. A professional company, would have allowed players to determine the outcome, either by assisting the Caldari side, or the Gallente side, then writing out the series of events based on the outcome. Their claims that this is not possible, are simple, plain, laziness. |
Draconus Lofwyr
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
38
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:28:00 -
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will the planetary skin be updated at downtime to show the titan wreck and impact crater so it is visible from space?. |
James Messina
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:30:00 -
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You should be able to see the titan wreckage from orbit, would be badass. |
Vrash Bone
Kingfisher Industries The Gentlemen's Club of EVE
6
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:36:00 -
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Um ... what's the point of this "event?" A corpie says it prolly has something to do with Dust? Perhaps this is just **** for FW people? Really, what's to care about for the player base at large ... what am I missing?
- Vrash |
Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
378
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Posted - 2013.03.23 06:02:00 -
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Vrash Bone wrote:Um ... what's the point of this "event?" A corpie says it prolly has something to do with Dust? Perhaps this is just **** for FW people? Really, what's to care about for the player base at large ... what am I missing?
- Vrash
Your corpie doesn't understand the fact that many FW pilots are restricted to lowsec/null, and didn't actually have access to this event. It was prettymuch a publicity ploy gone bad. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
561
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Posted - 2013.03.23 07:06:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
You will regret saying this in writing. wumbo |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1736
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Posted - 2013.03.23 07:50:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet. You will regret saying this in writing.
I'm glad it has been spelled out publicly, however.
Setting up events where the players can substantially affect the outcome is well within the capabilities of any reasonably competent DM in a friday night pen-and-paper RPG group. Apparently though, a company with a staff of 500 people on-board and annual revenues in the 10s of millions of dollars cannot manage this.
It takes a true stroke of genius to outright buy up a well-known RPG company (White Wolf) and still not be able to run an RPG event. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1354
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Posted - 2013.03.23 08:07:00 -
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CCP Backfire wrote: The reason behind the backfire of developing any feature in EVE is this:
The gratitude of the minority who will benefit from it will not match the outrage of those who won't benefit of it.
EVE players are over-jealous siblings; for each "thanks, mommy" you will be flooded by 100's of "you hate me and I hate you!"
Or, you can't always please everybody, but it's easy to anger everyone everytime.
Disclaimer: CCP Backfire is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Backfire does exist, I salute him/her! The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
920
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Posted - 2013.03.23 08:47:00 -
[312] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
As i stated yesterday that it would be wise to make clear before such an event that there is a pop cap and that concord WILL act etc . would have numbed most complaints there where.
With this comment of yours fozzie i'd like to add :
CCP Falcon wrote: of New Eden.
A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden.
and also from the event announcement: If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC).
So in short that was just a lie , newspaper add wich was FAR from what actually was gonna happen.
I understand every move you made about how to do the live event itself completely but regarding your 'information' next time just don't hype it as you did now.You basically promised gold and delivered sand yesterday.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
920
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Posted - 2013.03.23 09:02:00 -
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CCP Backfire wrote: The reason behind the backfire of developing any feature in EVE is this:
The gratitude of the minority who will benefit from it will not match the outrage of those who won't benefit of it.
EVE players are over-jealous siblings; for each "thanks, mommy" you will be flooded by 100's of "you hate me and I hate you!"
Wich only should be an extra stimulance to be sure to be 100% clear about what you are doing.You are right that you will allways get a lot of complaints but i've been with you guys for 10 years allmost and so far a big bunch of the 'outcry' on the forums in the past had to do with bad / half information handling to the players.
Never promise more then you can deliver unfortunalty is something allmost no game company uses.If you look at new games being announced you'll see a crapload of stuff promised wich will never be delivered at release.It's the reason why i don't even bother looking at previews of games but only read the reviews once released.
In eve i'd say WIS is the biggest one of these overhyped 'adds' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Boozer Hoover
Unlawful Unit THORN Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.03.23 09:52:00 -
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flakeys wrote:CCP Backfire wrote: The reason behind the backfire of developing any feature in EVE is this:
The gratitude of the minority who will benefit from it will not match the outrage of those who won't benefit of it.
EVE players are over-jealous siblings; for each "thanks, mommy" you will be flooded by 100's of "you hate me and I hate you!"
Wich only should be an extra stimulance to be sure to be 100% clear about what you are doing.You are right that you will allways get a lot of complaints but i've been with you guys for 10 years allmost and so far a big bunch of the 'outcry' on the forums in the past had to do with bad / half information handling to the players. Never promise more then you can deliver unfortunalty is something allmost no game company uses.If you look at new games being announced you'll see a crapload of stuff promised wich will never be delivered at release.It's the reason why i don't even bother looking at previews of games but only read the reviews once released. In eve i'd say WIS is the biggest one of these overhyped 'adds' .
Hey dude, read the post before you go quoting, CCP backfire doesn't exist |
Lev Arturis
Dark-Rising
18
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:01:00 -
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I and the other 230 capsuleers in our fleet had fun. Thx CCP for that event.
It was totaly clear for every one that the outcome was scripted. It was also clear that if you are not early enough in the system you will have a hard time to get into it.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
920
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:21:00 -
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Boozer Hoover wrote:flakeys wrote:CCP Backfire wrote: The reason behind the backfire of developing any feature in EVE is this:
The gratitude of the minority who will benefit from it will not match the outrage of those who won't benefit of it.
EVE players are over-jealous siblings; for each "thanks, mommy" you will be flooded by 100's of "you hate me and I hate you!"
Wich only should be an extra stimulance to be sure to be 100% clear about what you are doing.You are right that you will allways get a lot of complaints but i've been with you guys for 10 years allmost and so far a big bunch of the 'outcry' on the forums in the past had to do with bad / half information handling to the players. Never promise more then you can deliver unfortunalty is something allmost no game company uses.If you look at new games being announced you'll see a crapload of stuff promised wich will never be delivered at release.It's the reason why i don't even bother looking at previews of games but only read the reviews once released. In eve i'd say WIS is the biggest one of these overhyped 'adds' . Hey dude, read the post before you go quoting, CCP backfire doesn't exist
Hey dude , your right flaw on my part , still doesn't change what i said is true and is the biggest flaw for this event and many 'changes' that have gotten such a 'warm' response from the players.Or are you saying CCP FOZZIE and CCP FALCON also don't exist?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
366
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:52:00 -
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Lev Arturis wrote:I and the other 230 capsuleers in our fleet had fun. Thx CCP for that event.
It was totaly clear for every one that the outcome was scripted. It was also clear that if you are not early enough in the system you will have a hard time to get into it.
Yeah, compare that with the advertising for the event by CCP Falcon in the OP:
Quote:...You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden.
A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden.
Well, that turned out to be a load of you-know-what, didn't it? Your actions didn't mean a thing. Neither did anyone else's. "Shaping history"? When the same history would have happened with 3000 or 3 people in the system? Heh. If people just want to get on Titan kills, why not just petition CCP to put an random NPC titan up once a day in a random hi-sec location? It would be more honest, and players would have the same effect on the story - none! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1737
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Posted - 2013.03.23 11:57:00 -
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It seems that Falcon's idea of 'shaping the political landscape' is the players having a thunderdome between themselves whilst a scripted cutscene takes place in the background. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
618
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Posted - 2013.03.23 13:12:00 -
[319] - Quote
I'm glad to see the Titan finally gone, sadly I was hoping CCP had let us take care of it years ago by not giving it 95% resist and a silly amount of hitpoints in the first place. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Lev Arturis
Dark-Rising
18
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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:18:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Lev Arturis wrote:I and the other 230 capsuleers in our fleet had fun. Thx CCP for that event.
It was totaly clear for every one that the outcome was scripted. It was also clear that if you are not early enough in the system you will have a hard time to get into it.
Yeah, compare that with the advertising for the event by CCP Falcon in the OP: Quote:...You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden.
A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden. Well, that turned out to be a load of you-know-what, didn't it? Your actions didn't mean a thing. Neither did anyone else's. "Shaping history"? When the same history would have happened with 3000 or 3 people in the system? Heh. If people just want to get on Titan kills, why not just petition CCP to put an random NPC titan up once a day in a random hi-sec location? It would be more honest, and players would have the same effect on the story - none!
You should maybe read all dev posts in future:
CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
183
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Posted - 2013.03.24 00:02:00 -
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Lev Arturis wrote:Vikarion wrote:Yeah, compare that with the advertising for the event by CCP Falcon in the OP: Quote:...You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden.
A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden. Well, that turned out to be a load of you-know-what, didn't it? Your actions didn't mean a thing. Neither did anyone else's. "Shaping history"? When the same history would have happened with 3000 or 3 people in the system? Heh. If people just want to get on Titan kills, why not just petition CCP to put an random NPC titan up once a day in a random hi-sec location? It would be more honest, and players would have the same effect on the story - none! You should maybe read all dev posts in future: CCP Fozzie wrote:chatgris wrote:The real question is this:
Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.
However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show. Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet. Sadly I'm pyramid quoting but hey. Fozzie did not say the event was scripted. He said Players could not change every single aspect of the event in a single foul swoop, certain things were going to happen regardless.
However.....
Players can alter events inside that frame. Lets take as in inevetable event like you all claim that the titan was going to go down. Now lets look at the build up. Titan shoots Concord BS, Titan is in low orbit ready to bombard planet. Gallente fleet warps on grid shortly after titan is shot in order to stop bombardment. Now, lets take a step out of the box, lets imagine the FCORD fleet was actually a hard core Caldari fleet, properly equipped with BS & Logi. So, 240 BS & Logi warp onto the field, logi assist Caldari Caps & Super caps in holding the titan shields mostly stable. The 150 BS doing 150,000 DPS target up the Moros & start popping them. Moros are in Siege so can't recieve remote assistance. Meaning 150,000 DPS is going to make short work of a Moros. The Moros drop quickly, meaning the Logi can easily keep up with the DPS left, the Gallente fleet is getting shredded. Ok, so Gallente warp in a titan in response. Titans engage each other, Logi continue to support Titan, Caldari fleet finishes up Moros, moves onto the Triaged Carriers supporting the Erebus. Again, 150,000 DPS makes short work of them. Gallente Triage carriers drop due to lack of RR also, Caldari Carriers are fine since they didn't Triage so can RR each other when DPS shifts. Erebus drops shortly afterwards, Levithain then initiates bombardment of the Gallente enclaves, killing million.
Concord response finally arrives, with a mass of Concord BS engaging the titan while jamming out the carriers, far overcoming any support the Caldari fleet can supply without the Caps assistance, and the Levithain is destroyed by Concord. A few other Caldari Caps may get concorded, remainder jump out, Caldari RP'er Fleet disengages before concord pays them any notice.
So.... we now have a situation where the Caldari could have won a major fleet victory, destroyed a superior Gallente Cap fleet, Bombarded the planet as threatened, yet the Titan still crashes into the planet. Now I don't know about you, but I consider that kind of change to an event 'The ability to influence an event'. |
DrBmN
Axial tilt Malefic Aspects
10
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/me
Sat on Luminare gate for 20 minutes, spammed the jump and Enter button, ah f*** it, moved along |
Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
38
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Posted - 2013.03.24 06:13:00 -
[323] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote: Sadly I'm pyramid quoting but hey. Fozzie did not say the event was scripted. He said Players could not change every single aspect of the event in a single foul swoop, certain things were going to happen regardless.
However.....
Players can alter events inside that frame. Lets take as in inevetable event like you all claim that the titan was going to go down. Now lets look at the build up. Titan shoots Concord BS, Titan is in low orbit ready to bombard planet. Gallente fleet warps on grid shortly after titan is shot in order to stop bombardment. Now, lets take a step out of the box, lets imagine the FCORD fleet was actually a hard core Caldari fleet, properly equipped with BS & Logi. So, 240 BS & Logi warp onto the field, logi assist Caldari Caps & Super caps in holding the titan shields mostly stable. The 150 BS doing 150,000 DPS target up the Moros & start popping them. Moros are in Siege so can't recieve remote assistance. Meaning 150,000 DPS is going to make short work of a Moros. The Moros drop quickly, meaning the Logi can easily keep up with the DPS left, the Gallente fleet is getting shredded. Ok, so Gallente warp in a titan in response. Titans engage each other, Logi continue to support Titan, Caldari fleet finishes up Moros, moves onto the Triaged Carriers supporting the Erebus. Again, 150,000 DPS makes short work of them. Gallente Triage carriers drop due to lack of RR also, Caldari Carriers are fine since they didn't Triage so can RR each other when DPS shifts. Erebus drops shortly afterwards, Levithain then initiates bombardment of the Gallente enclaves, killing million.
Concord response finally arrives, with a mass of Concord BS engaging the titan while jamming out the carriers, far overcoming any support the Caldari fleet can supply without the Caps assistance, and the Levithain is destroyed by Concord. A few other Caldari Caps may get concorded, remainder jump out, Caldari RP'er Fleet disengages before concord pays them any notice.
So.... we now have a situation where the Caldari could have won a major fleet victory, destroyed a superior Gallente Cap fleet, Bombarded the planet as threatened, yet the Titan still crashes into the planet. Now I don't know about you, but I consider that kind of change to an event 'The ability to influence an event'.
Obviously this is pure theory, but works within the framework of what has been presented.
I think that would have been great, to bad CCP did not think of this. It would have been fair for both sides and the Titan would be gone and a war inevitable
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Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
380
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Posted - 2013.03.24 08:56:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Sadly I'm pyramid quoting but hey. Fozzie did not say the event was scripted. He said Players could not change every single aspect of the event in a single foul swoop, certain things were going to happen regardless.
However.....
Players can alter events inside that frame. Lets take as in inevetable event like you all claim that the titan was going to go down. Now lets look at the build up. Titan shoots Concord BS, Titan is in low orbit ready to bombard planet. Gallente fleet warps on grid shortly after titan is shot in order to stop bombardment. Now, lets take a step out of the box, lets imagine the FCORD fleet was actually a hard core Caldari fleet, properly equipped with BS & Logi. So, 240 BS & Logi warp onto the field, logi assist Caldari Caps & Super caps in holding the titan shields mostly stable. The 150 BS doing 150,000 DPS target up the Moros & start popping them. Moros are in Siege so can't recieve remote assistance. Meaning 150,000 DPS is going to make short work of a Moros. The Moros drop quickly, meaning the Logi can easily keep up with the DPS left, the Gallente fleet is getting shredded. Ok, so Gallente warp in a titan in response. Titans engage each other, Logi continue to support Titan, Caldari fleet finishes up Moros, moves onto the Triaged Carriers supporting the Erebus. Again, 150,000 DPS makes short work of them. Gallente Triage carriers drop due to lack of RR also, Caldari Carriers are fine since they didn't Triage so can RR each other when DPS shifts. Erebus drops shortly afterwards, Levithain then initiates bombardment of the Gallente enclaves, killing million.
Concord response finally arrives, with a mass of Concord BS engaging the titan while jamming out the carriers, far overcoming any support the Caldari fleet can supply without the Caps assistance, and the Levithain is destroyed by Concord. A few other Caldari Caps may get concorded, remainder jump out, Caldari RP'er Fleet disengages before concord pays them any notice.
So.... we now have a situation where the Caldari could have won a major fleet victory, destroyed a superior Gallente Cap fleet, Bombarded the planet as threatened, yet the Titan still crashes into the planet. Now I don't know about you, but I consider that kind of change to an event 'The ability to influence an event'.
Obviously this is pure theory, but works within the framework of what has been presented.
If this was possible, I don't think we would be complaining about how forced the scripted nature of the event was, instead just the terrible deployment of server resources.
Your case is an interesting one, however, CCP planned to destroy the titan prior to it 'glassing the civilian population', no matter what. It was pretty clearly stated that players could not influence the outcome of the event. What this means is that let's take your situation, but lets go overboard with it.
Let's imagine a hard core caldari fleet, properly outfitted with BS & Logi, but instead of 240, lets say that 750 pre-loaded into the system before the event. with 450,000 dps, and insane amounts of logi (going by your numbers), the dreads would all be getting single volleyed by the battleship fleet, the nyx would nto last more than a minute, and the Caldari titan would be assured survival.... Or would it?
I imagine in this case, one of three things would happen;
1: CCP would bring in a big enough fleet of Gallente dreads, titans, and super capitals, that they could simply knock out the titan regardless of the repping fleet, and despite the fact that the gallente fleet would lose all its dreadnaughts, and a few of the super capitals, it would still be declared a gallente victory.
2: CCP would render the Gallente fleet immune to damage, and crank up its damage output, until the Caldari titan died.
3: CCP would simply self destruct the Caldari Leviathan, and declare "Internal saboteurs and boarding parties" to have saved the Gallente scum of Caldari Prime.
Think out of the box all you want, it really doesn't matter, because CCP isn't even willing to entertain the idea that there could be multiple possible outcomes to a live RP event, and that the future lore could be scripted around the 'popular decision made by pilots who chose to assist', vs, "hurf durf this will go good, lets just kill the caldari titan and declare the system gallente".
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Seniae 0n3
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:09:00 -
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It would've been nice to have had 2 titans up there that were losing shield and armour controlled by the battle on the planet primary. That would have totally fit the Lore and sandbox.
All together .. great event CCP!!! thanks much for all the work |
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Polarized.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:31:00 -
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Well done on this live event CCP -it takes a lot to get me out of W space and I had a lot of fun!! Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate... |
Tasiv Deka
Enlightened Directorate
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:50:00 -
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just wish it had started a couple hours later... i had set myself up for the fight... get a message from my friend an hour before my shift ended saying it was already over... Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
404
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:15:00 -
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Well, looks like the Caldari side won the DUST war. Prepare for Federation victory or stalemate anyway. |
Commander A9
The Scope Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:02:00 -
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Had alot of fun! Would definitely do it again! Recommendations: -bring back the Jukebox! -enable ships wobbling in hangar view (pre-Captains Quarters) -add more missions (NPC fleet vs. NPC fleets that actually shoot) -less focus on graphics, more on mechanics |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
1084
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:28:00 -
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There werent enugh quafe sale on the gates to satisfy my waiting! |
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Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:33:00 -
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Athena Maldoran wrote:There werent enugh quafe sale on the gates to satisfy my waiting!
Maybe I can help!
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raven415
Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2013.05.02 21:45:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.
When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.
it was a staged event. ie predetermined dont even try to make it sound like players made a differance |
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