As shocking as this might sound NOT EVERYONE LIKES PVP. Players interested in PVE mission running have to deal with constant griefing by PVP trolls. As for the forum trolls who will inevitably response with flame wars about PVE whining and bitching: IT'S A GAME, it's meant to be enjoyed and there is NO enjoyment in being constantly griefed and harassed by no-life teenagers who hate their lives so much they have to make everyone else miserable right along with them.

I get that the game is open and greatly unregulated and a certain amount of piracy is to be expected and there are precautions PVE players and non-combat players can take to avoid most piracy, but a PVE mission runner is basically helpless while running a mission, griefers can come into their mission deadspace and destroy or steal mission objectives in highsec space and outright murder the player in lowsec space while the player is already swamped with dealing with the mission NPCs. The only option a PVE mission runner has for lowsec missions is to have a squad of friends constantly on standby nearby to bail them out, a HUGE pain in the ass.

There should be ways for every basic career path to be enjoyable and playable for solo players, making mission deadspace private so that only the mission holder and people they are grouped with can enter doesn't interfere with the rest of the game and allows PVE mission running to be accessible and enjoyable for solo players. Other deadspace areas like those found with probing would remain public and open to piracy, only the temporary and personal mission spawned deadspace areas would be private. The change is simple, has no impact on the rest of the game and prevents players who are only interested in PVE combat from getting frustrated and leaving the game (which is a business after all, players getting pissed and quitting is bad for business from what I hear).

No.

No.

As shocking as this might sound NOT EVERYONE LIKES PVP. Players interested in PVE mission running have to deal with constant griefing by PVP trolls. As for the forum trolls who will inevitably response with flame wars about PVE whining and bitching: IT'S A GAME, it's meant to be enjoyed and there is NO enjoyment in being constantly griefed and harassed by no-life teenagers who hate their lives so much they have to make everyone else miserable right along with them.

I get that the game is open and greatly unregulated and a certain amount of piracy is to be expected and there are precautions PVE players and non-combat players can take to avoid most piracy, but a PVE mission runner is basically helpless while running a mission, griefers can come into their mission deadspace and destroy or steal mission objectives in highsec space and outright murder the player in lowsec space while the player is already swamped with dealing with the mission NPCs. The only option a PVE mission runner has for lowsec missions is to have a squad of friends constantly on standby nearby to bail them out, a HUGE pain in the ass.

There should be ways for every basic career path to be enjoyable and playable for solo players, making mission deadspace private so that only the mission holder and people they are grouped with can enter doesn't interfere with the rest of the game and allows PVE mission running to be accessible and enjoyable for solo players. Other deadspace areas like those found with probing would remain public and open to piracy, only the temporary and personal mission spawned deadspace areas would be private. The change is simple, has no impact on the rest of the game and prevents players who are only interested in PVE combat from getting frustrated and leaving the game (which is a business after all, players getting pissed and quitting is bad for business from what I hear).

There should be ways for every basic career path to be enjoyable and playable for solo players, making mission deadspace private so that only the mission holder and people they are grouped with can enter doesn't interfere with the rest of the game and allows PVE mission running to be accessible and enjoyable for solo players.

As shocking as this might sound NOT EVERYONE LIKES PVP..

making mission deadspace private

The change is simple, has no impact on the rest of the game

The Devs have a stated goal of having PvE and PvP fit ships become more compatible so that a pirate starting something with you isn't a one way encounter. This is what should be worked on, not removing the possibility of PvP interaction. Once the pirates have to endure the same level of hardship you do in always bringing a fleet, fitting for the area and being prepared for whatever you may do, then these sorts of encounters will spice up mission running, rather than just griefing half the player base to appease the other half.

Is not that EVE is a PvP game, is that in EVE is a sandbox, so interactions between players are the engine producing gameplay and cannot be filtered by artificial barrier/mechanics. Open world PvP is a mere consequence of this.

The LP, loot and isk you earn from mission is not "private". When you use it (selling on the market, build, reprocess, anything you do) you influence other people gameplay (as in any sandbox type game), why aren't you open to accept other players influence on your gameplay too? have to be "private" only when is good for you?

beside mission sites are already pretty safe, mostly in low sec and far more in null. You don't need a squad guarding you, you see if somoene is approaching the warp in gate.

"It's a sandbox"

But then, some bright spark in the back pipes up, EVE is a sandbox, so I should be able to do whatever I want. EVE is indeed a sandbox, however it is a Multiplayer Sandbox. The definition of a sandbox is not "I can do whatever I want", it is that rather than providing a specific experience, the game provides an environment and tools with which to craft your own experience. For single-player games, these definitions are functionally the same. The problem with a multiplayer sandbox is that not only can you do whatever you want, so can everyone else. You want to mine in highsec in complete peace? The game lets you. It's the other players that are the problem.

The hypocrisy of demanding the freedom to do what you like, while simultaneously demanding or celebrating the curtailment of other people's playstyles should be self-evident, but apparently it's not.

"EVE isn't a PvP game"

Yes, it really is. Being, as it is, a multiplayer sandbox, it is a shared environment which we all inhabit together and all affect. For any of it to be non-PvP, all of it would have to be non-PvP. Even if CCP made it so it was impossible to blow up spaceships in highsec, highsec would still affect the rest of the game just by being there. As long as we are all playing the same game, the guy in the corner mining endlessly has an effect on the guys fighting a war in the other corner. And so, requests to be able to act with impunity will be not be received well by those who actually understand the game.

As shocking as this might sound NOT EVERYONE LIKES PVP.

Sadly PvP setups and PvE setups remain fundamentally different due to how NPC ships fight (poor damage, no reps usually, and so forth... leading to cap stable active tank setups being common, when PvE content is more in line with what to expect from a PvP engagement in terms of threat and counters, then the fits of PvP and PvE setups would largely be the same... aside for PvE ships not having webs and scrams... and thus more tank or ECM.

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y'know ... just for grins I fit up a (bad) PVP blaster Mega. Other than hating myself for going with Neutrons instead of 425mm rails, the mission wasn't "impossible" ...

I assume that it just took longer than if I had fit for max resists, etc that a "normal" mission boat would have ... in that I couldn't just grab aggro and sit and tank the rats til it was over.

I don't know about "normal" but a good mission ship would actually be fit for max damage and minimum tank. (you can get away with as low as a 400 dps tank if your damage is good)

As shocking as this might sound NOT EVERYONE LIKES PVP. Players interested in PVE mission running have to deal with constant griefing by PVP trolls. As for the forum trolls who will inevitably response with flame wars about PVE whining and bitching: IT'S A GAME, it's meant to be enjoyed and there is NO enjoyment in being constantly griefed and harassed by no-life teenagers who hate their lives so much they have to make everyone else miserable right along with them.

I get that the game is open and greatly unregulated and a certain amount of piracy is to be expected and there are precautions PVE players and non-combat players can take to avoid most piracy, but a PVE mission runner is basically helpless while running a mission, griefers can come into their mission deadspace and destroy or steal mission objectives in highsec space and outright murder the player in lowsec space while the player is already swamped with dealing with the mission NPCs. The only option a PVE mission runner has for lowsec missions is to have a squad of friends constantly on standby nearby to bail them out, a HUGE pain in the ass.

There should be ways for every basic career path to be enjoyable and playable for solo players, making mission deadspace private so that only the mission holder and people they are grouped with can enter doesn't interfere with the rest of the game and allows PVE mission running to be accessible and enjoyable for solo players. Other deadspace areas like those found with probing would remain public and open to piracy, only the temporary and personal mission spawned deadspace areas would be private. The change is simple, has no impact on the rest of the game and prevents players who are only interested in PVE combat from getting frustrated and leaving the game (which is a business after all, players getting pissed and quitting is bad for business from what I hear).

I was running an omni tank with ~60% resists across the board, and the fitted armor repper was only soaking ~240 DPS (on paper). It has ~100k EHP (94k against straight thermal (missiles), 102 against multifreq), and is throwing 885 (antimatter, no heat + drones )-1070 DPS (faction antimatter overheated + drones).

So, you're trading tank for gank. There's nothing wrong with this ... but the problem comes in where missioners "have" to fit a resist-specific tank in order to run these missions. Furthermore, missions give the (incorrect) impression that a BC or BS is nigh unstoppable. They should really scale up the L4 missions such that you cannot win them without support.

rough approximation of what you need:

1. noobship (because there will always be that time when someone will lose everything)
2. 2x destroyers or cruisers. BC with undersized guns
3. 2-3 BC, or a BS with undersized guns
4. 1-2 BS with 1-3 frigate/desssie/cruiser/BC escort
5. 2 BS, with escorts & scouts, etc.

scale payouts up such that you're not making the payouts completely not worth it, AND throw in the incursion payout mechanic for L3/4 missions ...

L3 - fleet size of 2-4 for 100% payout
L4 - fleet size of 4-6 for 100% payout
L5 - fleet size of 4-8 for 100% payout

Numbers totally up in the air, and are merely provided for illustrative purposes.

y'know ... just for grins I fit up a (bad) PVP blaster Mega. Other than hating myself for going with Neutrons instead of 425mm rails, the mission wasn't "impossible" ...

I assume that it just took longer than if I had fit for max resists, etc that a "normal" mission boat would have ... in that I couldn't just grab aggro and sit and tank the rats til it was over.

No.

The OP's problem is directly related to this current imbalance. He got jumped in his mission, and the mechanics of the game are set up that any reasonably fit ship dealing with PvE is all but helpless against a reasonably fit PvP ship.

I mission with 425 rails all the time, I hate blasters and their non-range having issues.

good stuff

No.

Obviously, I'm not a super mission runner. However, that hasn't stopped me from using a "PVP" fit to run missions...

The only difference between my PvP fit and my mission fit is a scram.

EVE is a PVP game. If you don't like PVP either learn how to avoid it, (fit a tractor beam and use salvage drones on a drake or something) or deal with it.

So yeah. As said earlier, NO.