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Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:22:00 -
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OK , let put on our nerdy classes and see what will actually happens when the titan CRASHES
Lets see what would the impact be like if the titan crashed down to earth assuming from 0 at 200km above Caldari Prime.
As Caldari Prime can sustain life and people aren't Oompas Lumpas . Lets say it has a similar makeup as Earth.
FIRST , let see the gravity gradient.
At 200km , the acceleration is approximately , it will approximately take the titan 201.96199771 seconds to fall down to the Earth surface at a velocity of 7130.05424943 km/h.
Lets forget about MAGICAL obsidian for a minute and ponder. .. what is the titan made of anyway??
The suspension of disbelief probably , but lets say .. it has an average density of ohh.... heavy transitional metal eh?
So thats 9000kg/m3 ish .
I don't have the shape of it so lets say , it has a volume of ... ohhh.... 120000000000 ish m3 eh?
BUT , lets not forget that the titan is a BRICK , so it probably will fracture in the atmosphere , but I'm ******** in terms of aerodynamics so .. lets say... nahhhhhhhhhh . Its made of magical obsidian , it won't fracture
Alrighty
Your Inputs:
Distance from Impact: 200.00 km ( = 124.00 miles )
Projectile diameter: 7.00 km ( = 4.35 miles )
Projectile Density: 9000 kg/m3
Impact Velocity: 11.00 km per second ( = 6.83 miles per second )
Impact Angle: 90 degrees
Target Density: 2500 kg/m3
Target Type: Sedimentary Rock
Energy:
Energy before atmospheric entry: 9.78 x 1022 Joules = 2.34 x 107 MegaTons TNT
The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth during the last 4 billion years is 5.2 x 107years
Major Global Changes:
The Earth is not strongly disturbed by the impact and loses negligible mass.
The impact does not make a noticeable change in the tilt of Earth's axis (< 5 hundreths of a degree).
The impact does not shift the Earth's orbit noticeably.
Crater Dimensions:
Transient Crater Diameter: 64.5 km ( = 40.1 miles )
Transient Crater Depth: 22.8 km ( = 14.2 miles )
Final Crater Diameter: 112 km ( = 69.3 miles )
Final Crater Depth: 1.22 km ( = 0.76 miles )
The crater formed is a complex crater.
Seismic Effects:
The major seismic shaking will arrive approximately 40 seconds after impact.
Richter Scale Magnitude: 9.5 (This is greater than any earthquake in recorded history)
Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 200 km:
IX. General panic. Damage considerable in specially designed structures;
well-designed frame structures thrown out of plumb.
Damage great in substantial buildings, with partial collapse.
Buildings shifted off foundations.
Serious damage to reservoirs.
Underground pipes broken.
Conspicuous cracks in ground.
In alluviated areas sand and mud ejected, earthquake fountains, sand craters.
X. Most masonry and frame structures destroyed with their foundations.
Some well-built wooden structures and bridges destroyed.
Serious damage to dams, dikes, embankments.
Large landslides.
Water thrown on banks of canals, rivers, lakes, etc. Sand and mud shifted horizontally on beaches and flat land. Rails bent slightly.
Ejecta:
The ejecta will arrive approximately 3.43 minutes after the impact.
At your position there is a fine dusting of ejecta with occasional larger fragments
Average Ejecta Thickness: 19.3 meters ( = 63.4 feet )
Mean Fragment Diameter: 12.1 cm ( = 4.75 inches )
Air Blast:
The air blast will arrive approximately 10.1 minutes after impact.
Peak Overpressure: 1.56e+06 Pa = 15.6 bars = 221 psi
Max wind velocity: 969 m/s = 2170 mph
Sound Intensity: 124 dB (Dangerously Loud)
Damage Description:
Multistory wall-bearing buildings will collapse.
Wood frame buildings will almost completely collapse.
Multistory steel-framed office-type buildings will suffer extreme frame distortion, incipient collapse.
Highway truss bridges will collapse.
Highway girder bridges will collapse.
Glass windows will shatter.
Cars and trucks will be largely displaced and grossly distorted and will require rebuilding before use.
Up to 90 percent of trees blown down; remainder stripped of branches and leaves.
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:42:00 -
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So basicly all the dinosaurs on Caldari Prime will die.  |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:45:00 -
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Xearal wrote:So basicly all the dinosaurs on Caldari Prime will die.
I have no idea why would the gallante attempt that battle ...
ITS MAD
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:50:00 -
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whatever dude, terraforming
checkmate |
Feledain
Rorqual Industry Empire
ASCENSI0N.
28
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:59:00 -
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Quote:fall down to the Earth surface at a velocity of 7130.05424943 km/h.
Quote:Impact Velocity: 11.00 km per second
I didnt recalculate any numbers... but are 7130km/h not 1.98km/s?
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1198
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:04:00 -
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And I thought that my numbers were screwy...
Where did you get 11km/sec from, anyway?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1358
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:33:00 -
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Ivy, you should check the actual data both for Caldari Prime gravity and the Titan's mass. With that and an estimate of altitude for the Titan, we could calculate its potential gravitational energy in ergs, then transform ergs to our lovely kiloton/megaton scale and check what would be the maximum damage the Titan fall could inflict on the planet.
How that energy was spent would be quite a different issue and would depend on how the Titan was over there, either in a true orbit or hovering at suborbital speed with an active pull up.
As we are told that the titan fell after destruction, then we may assume it was hovering at suborbital speed (either it would just deorbit at a pace that would depend on altitude, but likely it would take several days at least and the wreck would fragment and spread a lot of mayhem and debris along its orbital path).
Determining the actual altitude, or distance from surface, would be another question that would depend on what was the Titan doing there as a military tool.
*Indahmawar Fazmarai checks Leviathan's data from EVEmon*
Here it is, a mass of 2,430,000,000 kg... huh? Only? The Empire State Building alone weights 365,000,000 kg! That's ludicrous...
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
Russian International Allegiance
101
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:35:00 -
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I do believe in some kind of emergency aerodynamical systems. Airbrakes maybe ?
Science.
EVE Racing (resuscitation efforts ongoing)
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1358
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:36:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:And I thought that my numbers were screwy... Where did you get 11km/sec from, anyway?
Forget it, the stats are bullsh*t. The Leviathan's ingame mass is just like 7x that of the Empire State building. My guess is that the "mass" tab in the data base can't handle numbers longer than 10 digits. 
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Alara IonStorm
4770
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:37:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
I have no idea why would the gallante attempt that battle ...
ITS MAD
You would think the ships in Orbit would have Tractor Beams or Surface Installations or something.
I am as surprised that it crashed as the lack of Dmg it did. |
Whitehound
1382
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:43:00 -
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A theory is only good as long as it matches reality. You need to work more on your formulas.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:53:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:And I thought that my numbers were screwy... Where did you get 11km/sec from, anyway?
11kms-1 was the lowest number I got get off my friend's automatic calculator lol
you can reconfigure yours if you want .
I don't want him to redo his ENTIRE formula
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
373
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:07:00 -
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So what you're really saying is that that "meteor" over Russia a few weeks ago was a CCP Titan gone "rogue" ?
Kewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
160
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:27:00 -
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Projectile Density: 9000 kg/m3
A big high.
A modern metal ship floats, and therefore has an overall density less than 1050kg/m3 |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:31:00 -
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I prefer kerbal space program to have my science muscle massaged.
I come to Eve for ultra captitalist dystopian future with lazors and clones and stuff.
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:41:00 -
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the wreckage was planted
i am eager to watch the conspiracy video "loose change: an amarrian coup"
Follow me on twitter |
Tiberius StarGazer
StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration
318
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:44:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Forget it, the stats are bullsh*t. The Leviathan's ingame mass is just like 7x that of the Empire State building. My guess is that the "mass" tab in the data base can't handle numbers longer than 10 digits.
Nanofit Titan... clearly.... erm... |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
117
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:51:00 -
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And what Ivy's numbers (sorta) indicate is that the entire titan fell onto Caldari Prime in one large unbroken segment - what evidence we have seen (and heard) is that it broke up upon re-entry: some large sections survived, but the impact would be spread over a wider area rather than in a single concentrated location - after all, a few metres difference in space can mean kilometres when matched against the surface of a planet. Just look at how widespread a wrecked ship (e.g. the Titanic) can be when going though an ocean.
When I get back from shopping I'll crunch some numbers, and show the actual ecological impact damage, equating for the mass of the impact of the apparent frontal 1/3rd..
Also, the 200km assumption is far far too low for a ship of that size and mass to survive - it would have be MINIMUM 1000km's to resist getting dragged back down by the atmosphere. For reference, the ISS is around the 250-290km's height
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:35:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:And what Ivy's numbers (sorta) indicate is that the entire titan fell onto Caldari Prime in one large unbroken segment - what evidence we have seen (and heard) is that it broke up upon re-entry: some large sections survived, but the impact would be spread over a wider area rather than in a single concentrated location - after all, a few metres difference in space can mean kilometres when matched against the surface of a planet. Just look at how widespread a wrecked ship (e.g. the Titanic) can be when going though an ocean.
When I get back from shopping I'll crunch some numbers, and show the actual ecological impact damage, equating for the mass of the impact of the apparent frontal 1/3rd..
Also, the 200km assumption is far far too low for a ship of that size and mass to survive - it would have be MINIMUM 1000km's to resist getting dragged back down by the atmosphere. For reference, the ISS is around the 250-290km's height
AH!
But what you are ignoring is that the Titan is NOT orbiting Caldari Prime , instead , its just hovering above the planet powered by space magic .
But yes , I need a friendly physicists for this lol .
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:48:00 -
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let's not forget that the damn thing is made largely of tritanium , which is said in the lore to explode when exposed to pressure.
Titan nuke anyone ?  |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:57:00 -
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Zenos Ebeth wrote:let's not forget that the damn thing is made largely of tritanium , which is said in the lore to explode when exposed to pressure. Titan nuke anyone ?
not nuke lol no.
Just a chemical explosion .
Its essentially like C4 then lol
which then reckon the question.
How do you even armor tank ?
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
532
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:14:00 -
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Whatever the math.. my point stands.. there are now no more dinosaurs on Caldari Prime.
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stoicfaux
2554
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:36:00 -
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Potential fly in the ointment, if Eve ship engines experience drag in space, is there any reason why the titan wouldn't experience drag when falling into a gravity well?
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
98
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:44:00 -
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I approve of Nerd Eden.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝
...end transmission... |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
117
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:50:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:AH!
But what you are ignoring is that the Titan is NOT orbiting Caldari Prime , instead , its just hovering above the planet powered by space magic .
But yes, I need a friendly physicists for this lol.
I raise your AH! with an AH-HA! It is in fact orbiting Caldari Prime, as it was positioned over a major city - without a Geostationary Orbit, the Titan would lose its position after only a few minutes of actually being above the planet. Which in turn has added another factor into the equation.. woot.
A shame that only the planet surface rotates in EVE - it would be awesome to warp to a planet and it be on the opposite side of the system the next time you arrive...
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:55:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:AH!
But what you are ignoring is that the Titan is NOT orbiting Caldari Prime , instead , its just hovering above the planet powered by space magic .
But yes, I need a friendly physicists for this lol. I raise your AH! with an AH-HA! It is in fact orbiting Caldari Prime, as it was positioned over a major city - without a Geostationary Orbit, the Titan would lose its position after only a few minutes of actually being above the planet. Which in turn has added another factor into the equation.. woot. A shame that only the planet surface rotates in EVE - it would be awesome to warp to a planet and it be on the opposite side of the system the next time you arrive...
It is???
I thought it was just hovering above it since everytime I warp to the bookmark its still at the same position . lol
Guess I'm wrong.
oooh man ... that complicates things .
Now it could be at least 35,786 km above surface lol .
THERE WON'T BE A PLANET LEFT if it hits lol
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1159
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:59:00 -
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Confirming that the explosion of the secondary warp core will tear a hole into the crust, rendering Caldari Prime a barren planet in the long run. It will also ignite the atmosphere. Everybody is dead.
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
294
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:02:00 -
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i think in game that planet is much much bigger than earth,and ppl on it are big as elephants and they eat titans on regular basis. :)
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
117
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:40:00 -
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Ok, I started working out the kinetic energy of 1/3rd of the Titan falling out of the sky:
Taking rough estimates of the height and width of the levi (4.5km and 3km) gives me a total of 81km-¦
Mass: 810,000,000,000kg - one third the value on the info sheet for the titan. Screw trying to figure out exactitudes here.
11.2km/s is for an Earth-Type body - Caldari Prime is 38.6km/s.
That gives a Kinetic Energy of : 603,433,800,000,000,000J: 603 QUADRILLION Joules.
I'm.. i'm not going any further. Caldari Prime would crack under the impact. Not destroy; that would require something far more massive and going faster - crack. As in, "Oh hi, this is the Mantle."
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:47:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Ok, I started working out the kinetic energy of 1/3rd of the Titan falling out of the sky:
Taking rough estimates of the height and width of the levi (4.5km and 3km) gives me a total of 81km-¦
Mass: 810,000,000,000kg - one third the value on the info sheet for the titan. Screw trying to figure out exactitudes here.
11.2km/s is for an Earth-Type body - Caldari Prime is 38.6km/s.
That gives a Kinetic Energy of : 603,433,800,000,000,000J: 603 QUADRILLION Joules.
I'm.. i'm not going any further. Caldari Prime would crack under the impact. Not destroy; that would require something far more massive and going faster - crack. As in, "Oh hi, this is the Mantle."
and then the ejecta will give us a new australia .
I didn't bother to check the mass of the leviathan lol . me so dumb dumb
FFREEDOM!!!!! |
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