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EvilSyKOSkitzo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:26:00 -
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Hey peoples,
I need some help from the community.
I just had another petition request for reimbursement after I lost a ship to 13 people who saw me as a neutral tempest answered with another "It did not show on our Server Logs so tough".
Who else here believes that OVERVIEW BUGS do exist and should be logged some how?
- Evil
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:29:00 -
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Take screenshots.
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SGXiphias
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:30:00 -
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screenshots dont matter. My freind had screenshots of a similiar bug and they simply said, "tough luck"
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:32:00 -
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Maybe I should show my war target gates and sentry guns?
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:39:00 -
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they do exist, i've had npc's show as war targets, i've had war targets show as gang members, i've had negative standings show as corp mates, and this colour bug is really starting to get on my nerves
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Zubenelgenubi
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:52:00 -
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They do exist and they are extremely annoying..
Ganged planets... People showing up twice in the overview.. just to add a couple to the list.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:55:00 -
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Yes, please fix this CPP. If you screenshot it and fraps it they cannot NOT reimburse you.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:57:00 -
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The GM's dont reimburse unless the reason is something they can definetely see in the logs the server collects, basically to avoid everyone and his dog claiming for things that were say entirely there own fault.
The overview is probably just a client-side representation of the data coming from the server, it won't be something that is logged, as a result the GM's can't prove it happened and won't reimburse, no matter how much they believe you.
It is an extremely nasty bug, no argument there.
Launched a dozen shuttles the other day, most of them showed up properly as "corp", but one showed very poor standings instead .. its very wierd.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.30 01:18:00 -
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 Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo
So, I'am forced now to mine/hunt/agent till I can replace my battleship now.
Have fun 
Nah seriously, if there were that many of you then im sure your friends would collect some isk to buy you a new one.
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo
So, I'am forced now to mine/hunt/agent till I can replace my battleship now.
Have fun
Nah seriously, if there were that many of you then im sure your friends would collect some isk to buy you a new one.
lol, thanks. :P
Nah, the help is there but its I think the second if not third time I've lost a ship to something like this. This time it was a little different is that the bug appeared on the side of the people who shot me.
It's not about the money any more its more about the hope that someone in CCP will say oh yeah we do have that bug and we are working on fixing it *SOON*.
Ok, back to working on my new tempest.. mining *SHUDDERS*.
- Evil
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.30 01:43:00 -
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I've seen alliance stations and corp moons 
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.08.30 01:47:00 -
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Here, let's make it easy to follow:
Server bug: Reembursement after a few days and a lot of sweet talking the Gms.
Client Bug: HA! Riiiiight. We're all cheaters trying to get free stuff.
"If I'm brutally honest and it offends you, that's not my fault." |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.30 01:51:00 -
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A bit ago, I lost an apoc to lag. There could not have been any logs--what the logs would have shown is an apoc warping into the belt, not activating anything, and then dying. I had no evidence other than my own statement and the logs that showed that.
They gave it back.
Now, people have a non-server bug here, and they have FRAPS, screenshots, the whole deal.
The GMs won't give it back.
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Jenna Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.30 02:04:00 -
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I will gladly sign this... It is very annoying for gang to show war, corp to show war, and also for planets, roids, and anything else to be ganged according to the overview. 
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.08.30 02:05:00 -
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most of the gms just wont give u anything back even if they took u outside of the station and self destructured ur ship right there, half of those would say that there no evidence that they did that. the rest might actually read the petitions.
i mean i no yeah theres a lot but i have genuine (sp?) proof that 2 gms in a row did not read my petition. and u no what :o thats in their logs! but hey its not like i can force them to actually read it or anything....
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.30 02:24:00 -
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FIX it.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2005.08.30 02:29:00 -
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ya i had it number of times... and seems that even close opening it didnt help in some cases O_o
also there is a UI bug with refitting... some how you end up with the item stuck on your screen.. no matter what you do... dock undock jump etc... nothing helps but relog of course...
support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.30 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi
They do exist and they are extremely annoying..
Ganged planets... People showing up twice in the overview.. just to add a couple to the list.
i had the cloud from a merc roid become a member of my gang :)
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Dareenii Ulthar
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Posted - 2005.08.30 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dareenii Ulthar on 30/08/2005 03:46:20
I wonder if running the logserver would capture this bug? I wonder if people would be willing to run it until an obvious overview error showed up and then submit it in a bug report? I have never seen this bug myself, but that just means I don't generally do what triggers the bug. They should be able to take the logserver logs and match them to the server logs and see what happened/miscommunicated at that time.
I'm starting to do so myself, just on the off chance it happens to me. Yeah it lags me a bit, but then I run logserver on patch days as well, and when on Sisi, so I'm used to it.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2005.08.30 03:53:00 -
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Ok im starting to understand somethings now. For example, once I saw a station flashing red in my overview. Another time I saw an asteroid belt highlighted in orange. I was utterly confused.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.30 04:08:00 -
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I never believe my overview and always double check it. This has saved other people's asses many times, but when its another person mistaking you...well that could be interesting indeed.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.30 04:31:00 -
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I witnessed this.
I indeed saw a ship named 'Tempest' on my overview, but since it wasn't red nor blue, I assumed it was a bug and didn't bother locking and firing at it.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2005.08.30 04:45:00 -
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try this bug i submitted. i got denied my ship also this screenshot was what i took after i warped to gate when i seen local was all friendlies. didnt know they were even in system.
No Local
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.08.30 04:47:00 -
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It absolutely does exist on the overlay bar colour for ships.
However, if you check the box on the lower-right hand side, it will display accurately. Usually that's a good thing to check; fortunately I've got a colour scheme that has the colours clash when something's not right and it points it out to me right away.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.08.30 05:00:00 -
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It happens ALL THE TIME.
Its the overlay color bar. The icon will be correct, but the overlay can be.....well anything.
I have lost several ships to this. I hate fighting in empire becuase of it. In a rush you can easily shoot at the Red Flashies and get concordokkened because it was neither red nor flashy.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.30 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tbone
try this bug i submitted. i got denied my ship also this screenshot was what i took after i warped to gate when i seen local was all friendlies. didnt know they were even in system.
No Local
What the ****?
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Tbone
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tbone
try this bug i submitted. i got denied my ship also this screenshot was what i took after i warped to gate when i seen local was all friendlies. didnt know they were even in system.
No Local
What the ****?
yeah i was on Ts and asking if it was clear to warp to gate. figured no one in local but friendlies, so warped. then looked had started gang 5-7 minutes before, no one was in gang, but my alt was in gang and on his screen showed everyone in local and in gang. then when i got out of warp, i had all that in local. kinda mystery jumpin bug. didnt get reimbursed either.
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Klaryssa
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:11:00 -
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Overview is totally borked.
Often ive had hostiles / neutrals just not appear at all. After being jammed, the hostile ship disappears from overview as well.
Ive had friendly alliance pilots appear as corp-mates, and as neutrals.
It needs a rewrite.
As im writing this, the server is broken too. No Show Info, hangars and escrow dont work, cant log in anymore, and modules dont activate.
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:24:00 -
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I have never been affected by this bug but I have seen stations with negative standing and some other strange stuff. It always seems to happen in very busy systems such as Jita, so maybe its client lag issue.
Hope you get your stuff back but I doubt you will.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:26:00 -
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Since the overview has not once worked as dsigned since it's implementation more than 9 months ago, tere is only one solution:
STOP SHOOTING.
If that results is such copious amounts of unmitigated boredom that people decide to stay away from the game for a stretch, someone at CCP perhaps will sc*****up a clue at. Maybe. Wouldn't bet on it.
So how's this for s asuggestion (since the server is b0rked into hell and back right now anyway): I propose a three day log-in moratorium to demonstrate just how many subscribers there really are who are indeed dumb enough to keep p(l)aying in spite of the buggery. That would satisfy my scientific curiosity and none of you would lose another ship 
JP Beauregard
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Sumica
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:32:00 -
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Glad to see you are just as happy as ever JP.
Just though I would add that I had a roid with a bounty locking me befor the server buggerd off.
So either eve now hasMimic Class cov-ops ships or the overview is geting worse.
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dsanta2345
Originally by: Zubenelgenubi
They do exist and they are extremely annoying..
Ganged planets... People showing up twice in the overview.. just to add a couple to the list.
i had the cloud from a merc roid become a member of my gang :)
Hahaha.. it must of felt lonely.
- Evil
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Svett
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:53:00 -
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Friend of mine lost a ship yesterday to a flashing red pod 
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Baraak Tizhaan
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Posted - 2005.08.30 06:58:00 -
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I think that this problem is to do with information received from the server. Some corp mates and I accidentally podded a member of a friendly corp because he showed up as nuetral standing instead of +10 and when using the show info command, as being a member of a noob corp in a shuttle instead of an interceptor.
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Cilppiz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 07:00:00 -
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Its nice to see flashing red gates as well, most of the time tabbing overview off and on again solves most of problems but usually atleast couple persons in gang are left with frong status.
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Vulkan0
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Posted - 2005.08.30 07:14:00 -
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Dont fly battlships if you cant afford to loose one.
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skilz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 07:43:00 -
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according to the gm's we're all lying, so shut your trap and pay the $15
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.08.30 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 30/08/2005 07:55:44
"There are no bugs in EVE"
Serious question for CCP though... Do your servers actually log anything?
Amazing how quick they can get some things fixed
amazing how they can never resolve others
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vulkan0
Dont fly battlships if you cant afford to loose one.
lol, there always has to be one.
- Evil
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Alcatraz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:14:00 -
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So simple to solve, make the scanner settings exacly oposide to what they are now. We should whoose what we WANT to see using the settings, NOT choose what to exclude. As it stands, Its not possible to remove the neutrals of the scanner and its not possible to try to clean up the overfilled scanner because it also might remove possible wartargets. How stupid is that that for example if you choose not to see people with bountys, you remove EVERYBODY with a bounty, including wartargets.
Life would be so much easyer on players and GMs if the scanner would be inversed.
When in empire, I want to option to ONLY see wartargets on the scanner. Then the scanner can do f*** all it wants to the displaying of the names. No matter what colour, I know I can shoot.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Alcatraz
So simple to solve, make the scanner settings exacly oposide to what they are now. We should whoose what we WANT to see using the settings, NOT choose what to exclude. As it stands, Its not possible to remove the neutrals of the scanner and its not possible to try to clean up the overfilled scanner because it also might remove possible wartargets. How stupid is that that for example if you choose not to see people with bountys, you remove EVERYBODY with a bounty, including wartargets.
Life would be so much easyer on players and GMs if the scanner would be inversed.
When in empire, I want to option to ONLY see wartargets on the scanner. Then the scanner can do f*** all it wants to the displaying of the names. No matter what colour, I know I can shoot.
That's exactly what we need and just what I was going to suggest.
The filters work OK, so I can change my overview so that people my corp is friendly to don't show (they don't work 100%, but it's usually around 98% reliable).
So, if I could filter it so that only war targets appear on my overview, then I wouldn't give a damn if they were flashing red or not, I'd know that I could legitimately shoot them just because they're there.
In the upcoming KIA video, there's loads of examples of this overview bug happening. And it's not in busy systems, they're systems with around 15-20 people.
I realise that this issue is intermitent. Even though it happens a lot, it's not easily reproducable (can any of you give the bughunters definite steps to reproduce the bug?). This makes it very difficult to track down what's causing the issue, never mind fix it. Though I'm sure that CCP do have someone looking at this horrible bug, don't they....
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:56:00 -
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The overview bug exists.
Corpies and gangmembers show up as enemies or neutrals all the time. Though only stupid people only decide whether to shoot someone if only the colour is the same, there is still the name and the tag that are still telling you he's friendly.
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Alcatraz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
The overview bug exists.
Corpies and gangmembers show up as enemies or neutrals all the time. Though only stupid people only decide whether to shoot someone if only the colour is the same, there is still the name and the tag that are still telling you he's friendly.
lol
How stupid are you?
Shooting gangmembers and corpmates is not a problem for most people. All of mine would forgive me a few wolleys any day. They shouldnt even be showing in you overview anyway.
Getting instakilled by Concord for shooting at a non war target, because of a display bug, IS a problem.
And when fighting alliances that have way to many small corps in them, its just not possible to memorize all the different enemy tickers, besides it changes from week to week.
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Acwron
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Acwron on 30/08/2005 11:38:46
Originally by: Tbone
try this bug i submitted. i got denied my ship also this screenshot was what i took after i warped to gate when i seen local was all friendlies. didnt know they were even in system.
No Local
exactly the same thing happened some weeks ago to me in ROIR. Local showed some 12-15 people just 1 enemy and I scanned the frig at the gate. warped in at 60 killed it with my fleet tempest. Suddendly some 8 enemys come out of warp and gank me. (and they definantly didn't log in or enter local).
The local just didn't show the enemys. CCP said bad luck. I should have frapsed it but I thought it wouldn't be worth it for one frig...
PS: and obviously I had known there were that many enemys I would have done more scouting and called for backup.
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Titainus
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Titainus on 30/08/2005 11:36:47
i lost a Mega to sentries+concord yesterday when i shot a flashing red pod.
I know that all im gonna get is "we wish you a speedy recovery".
maybe they should look at their server logs for bugs because they never seem to see the problem.
yeah the overview is f*cking bugged.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:45:00 -
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The shifting colours are both annoying and dangerous.
Partial workaround is to have your overview set up to show background colours for war targets only (i.e. drop the green background for corp members, purple for gang members etc).
I currently have a red background show for war targets and then differentiate between neutrals and corp members by using the icon.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Yes, please fix this CPP. If you screenshot it and fraps it they cannot NOT reimburse you.
The GMs do not recognise player submitted evidence to reimbursement petitions. They go by their logs and their logs only, which are inadequate at best and down right crap most of the time
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Emno
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:06:00 -
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ok for the perfect proof... when neutral "tempest" blows up (madboy) the pod that come out of the ship is blue Linkage ty for the fraps MrCue sorta large file the bit that matters is at 15ish min heh
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:47:00 -
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I've seen stargates with bounties on their heads.
CCP know the bug exists, but they don't know how to fix it, therefore they won't ever acknowledge it or give any kind of reply. If they stay out of the threads, they can pretend they didn't read them, thus not knowing about the bug.
It's that simple.
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Madswede
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Posted - 2005.08.30 15:14:00 -
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This is indeed a highly annoying and dangerous bug. It seems worse on some days and better on other days.
I have a feeling that it has to do with the graphics not updating properly. As an example I have often seen a corp member on the overview display correctly and then when I jump into another system, the first random guy occupying the same place on the overview will show as a corp member also.
I have of course turned off corp members and allies in the overview.
For me at least it is only the overview that is bugged. What I can see in space is always correct.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tobiaz on 30/08/2005 15:26:12
Originally by: Alcatraz
Originally by: Tobiaz
The overview bug exists.
Corpies and gangmembers show up as enemies or neutrals all the time. Though only stupid people only decide whether to shoot someone if only the colour is the same, there is still the name and the tag that are still telling you he's friendly.
lol
How stupid are you?
Shooting gangmembers and corpmates is not a problem for most people. All of mine would forgive me a few wolleys any day. They shouldnt even be showing in you overview anyway.
Getting instakilled by Concord for shooting at a non war target, because of a display bug, IS a problem.
And when fighting alliances that have way to many small corps in them, its just not possible to memorize all the different enemy tickers, besides it changes from week to week.
And how stupid are you then?
Being able to see your corpies, friendlies and gangmembers on your overview can be very usefull while fighting in small/medium encounters or when using smartbombs in 0.0 fighting.
By the way do your buddies forgive you as well if you accidently open fire in a laggy or messy fight resulting in the loss of their ship?
Or how about putting EW or scramblers on them by accident, resulting in your side losing the battle?
I agree though that checking for corptags and names is a bit hard for wars with alliances alliances involved.
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ElricUK
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Posted - 2005.08.30 15:43:00 -
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The bug/incident in question wasnt soley overview related, on the main screen it also showed as neutral and named tempest. It was all caught on fraps and with the additon of the kill mail itself with entirely friendly corps listed Id be extremely disapointed in CCP if they didnt reimburse this.
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ElricUK
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Posted - 2005.08.31 15:54:00 -
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A dev response to this would be really appreciated.
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lolz0rb
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:33:00 -
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hmmm i have had this so many times. taken so many screenshots, made a msall video and can make the bug over and over again.
does ccp require more evidence?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:56:00 -
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This bug is frigging retarded. No amount of closing and opening my overview will ever get it 100% accurate. But small colour tags (on the icon) and the in space square seem to be accurate. So I ignore the background colour now as it is wrong most of the time.
Filed two bug reports because of this bug.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:32:00 -
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Ze bug dus not ecsist!
I demand to have that station 
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