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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Caeden Nicomachean
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They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
Hrm. Whats with the bringing the storm into it? And you understand that the landmass of the UK is quite a lot larger than the basin affected by the storm?
Just saying. I'm in Houston. My wife is teaching the refugee kiddos that have made it here and houses all around me are filled with relatives who made it here....but this doesn't have much to do with the overall energy problems, only the latest spike.
Be cool if we not get into a US/Euro hatefest, we all are affected by energy prices.
The UK is not much bigger at all than the effected area. You do realize this storm even effected the Florida panhandle. And I very much like our UK and European brothers and sisters.
Lets also not forget that the US does also produce more domestic oil than Euro countries, so that I am sure helps with our lower prices ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:11:00 -
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you know there is alot of countrys that are wores of due to oil prices than you lot right?
might also make your oilcompanys start reseaching in alternerd fuel with out blocking funds to tho that do, hell might even let them stop putting pressure on car manyfactures abut building alternativ fuel cars so yeah higher gas prices are the way to go
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Pitt There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work.
So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles.
Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to.
They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
Don't be silly, or get your facts right. The UK is about the size of Oregon. It has plenty of high ground. If this had hit the UK it would be a disaster but would not come close to wiping the country out.
But anyway I don't see why you are getting so worked up. All we're saying is that oil is expensiv, likely to get worse and the US is too dependant on it. Some of that dependency is difficult to avoid but...you built the country that way.
Personally I don't think the oil crises will be a catastrophy. I think people will learn to adapt and will find a solution. Some countries will have more difficulty adapting than others but the US is a country of great resource and I think that they can overcome their current predicament.
The only thing that can prevent that is a refusal to accept that a problem exists or an inability to do anything about it. The first is not the case and the second..well we'll see. -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:14:00 -
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It's not like oil companies ever needed a worldwide crisis to boost worldwide oil prices.
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Wira
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Demarcus Don't worry Bush is holding back fuel as an excuse to drive up prices so he can get congress to open the Artic Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling (it will happen the only reason it didn't happen last time republicans tried was because Clinton vetoed it) once they start pumping there Bush will stop holding back the oil already coming from overseas so it will look like he was right for opening the Arctic Refuge.
It would be fantastic if we could use our own oil and not the stuff from the middle east. Also, the stuff pumped from our own wells is better quality to start with than the Mid East. But almost every drop we produce is shipped to Japan. All in the name of trade of and such is the given reason. Most of the US oil is still in the ground and is estimated to be at least 80% of it still there.
We have this stuff called oil shale laying on the surface in Colorado and Wyoming. Back when this first came to light, it was considered too expensive to process to wring the oil out of it. Maybe it is time they revisited that process.
Also in Alberta Province, in Canada, there is a small company that is processing oil that has soaked into sand over the millenia. They dig down about 30 ft or meters, load the sand onto the huge off road mining trucks that Caterpillar makes and truck them to the processing plant. They get the oil out of the sand by running it through a mix of hot water and some chemicals. Oil and water do not mix, so the oil is easily skimmed from the water.
This Canadian plant is running 24/7 and only just started a short while ago, so it is too soon for them to have a large impact on the oil market, but Caterpillar cannot keep up with the demand for the largest trucks made by them to haul and keep hauling this oil sand mixture. Best estimates on how much oil is located in Alberta is consideraly more than the Middle East.
The biggest problem with the oil industry today, is they got rich, fat and lazy on Mid East oil. Too easy to obtain, and cheaper than drilling and refining their own home grown. I think maybe the pendelum is swinging the other way, and this one is coming home to bite the big oil "barons" in the US in the butt.
why wouldnt we want to get more of our own oil vs paying the oil terrorists of the middle east? seems to me creating our own wells would put americans to work, lower oil costs and be better all around. ofc I would, like most people want to make sure as much care could be takin with the least possible effect on the enviroment. But I would rather have our own vs relying on foreign oil.
but i think i must leave this post now as my pills our kicking in.. :P
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/09/2005 16:59:04
Originally by: Branco
Don't feel bad, I just looked up Google to find that 1 Gallon is around 22 liters.
22 Liters cost me 37 USD. Now... what are you complaining about? Get EVE going again
And if someone gets me a way of exporting that stuff in bottles I will happily buy them 10 USD a gallon... see how you you can profit?
LMAO...
A gallon is 3.78 liters. I'm looking at a gallon of milk right now, and it has metric conversion clearly labeled right next to the gallon in parentheses.
EDIT: For the price of one gallon of gas, I could buy a big-ass hamburger and a large soft drink at most local fast-food restaraunts (McDonald's, Burger King, etc.). For the price of a tank of gas, I could eat for two weeks on food that I buy at the grocery store and prepare, myself.
Or in the UK 4.545 litres :) -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ryy Kishin on 01/09/2005 17:19:02
Originally by: Draig Coch Edited by: Draig Coch on 01/09/2005 16:37:23 Stop whining on forums about VERY CHEAP prices please....!!
No one cares that you cancel your account of $20 a month because prices for fuel in your area have gone up a few cents when most others are paying over double that anyway.
Walk for a week or be quiet about it, or (shock, horror) get a more fuel efficient vehicle like the rest of the world has to.
3.13 per gallon is not very cheap for some people. maybe it is compared to UK prices but they are 2 different countries and have 2 different ways of doing things.
Not everyone can afford a newer fuel effecient vehicle, Some people work 40 miles from home, Some people have families that also drive Mini-Vans that get as much miles per gallon as a SUV.
So your the one that should STFU!
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse There are no bugs in Eve only features.
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Reebo77
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kris Longknife Yeah! Just before we started living in the megacities with Judge Dredd!
LMAO, thats some golden sarcasm
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kris Longknife
Originally by: Deja Thoris 1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Ah figures a thread slammer...
Lets see... Live on a nice size lot in a big house or live in a house that has been made into several apartments. I think I own my own land thank you very much...
Drive some piece of junk or some sturdy American made car...again American.
Live out in the country...or live in a 0.0 section in a city so I can walk to work...farm living for me.
Car share (I assume you mean car pool) See above farmer smith and farmer brown dont have fields by where I work.
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
Have you been to either coast of the US recently? Especially the east coast. I think you are very lucky to have what you have but don't get complacent. You're doing exactly what we did - it's just taking you a bit longer. -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ryy Kishin You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Smaller gallon.
A US pickup truck doing 20mpg is actually quite respectable even by tree hugger's standards. -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:19:00 -
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Americans do not take action on global warming issues because they will not benefit immediately. They will need to be forced by higher prices to take notice and reduce their fuel consumption.
Most other developed countries in the world have taken action to reduce emissions and therefore make the world a better place for all of us.
Maybe this disaster in the US will mean that fuel prices will rocket and cause an attitude change.
Americans cry now about this flooding. However if nothing is done soon about global warming low lying ares (such as New York) will probably disappear within 100 years. Welcome Oil Price Rises A Corp 1 pirate I was meant to be, trim the sails and roam the sea |
Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
yes oh humble forum mod
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse There are no bugs in Eve only features.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus And I very much like our UK and European brothers and sisters.
Me too. I for one read international news, and subscribe to a multilateralist foreign policy. I think perhaps many euros don't know how divided the US is about this - which is why I make a point of mentioning it. Houston for example is decidedly on the left (mayor, city council, etc), despite being in Texas and in the midst of oil country. Its the land surrounding the cities that subscribe to a different set of ideals - which is most telling by the fact that Tom DeLay represents the folks just to the outside of Houston...which includes NASA and a big gob of the area refineries.
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Lets also not forget that the US does also produce more domestic oil than Euro countries, so that I am sure helps with our lower prices
True, but its the refineries and corporate economy of scale - along with an extreme hands off taxation policy that brings it down as far as it is. North american upstream units are decreasing yields on a daily. Dwindling. And Alaska won't stop that.
Cheers!
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ryy Kishin You sir are an idiot![:roll:
3.13 per gallon is not very cheap for some people. maybe it is compared to UK prices but they are 2 different countries and have 2 different ways of doing things.
Not everyone can afford a newer fuel effecient vehicle, Some people work 40 miles from home, Some people have families that also drive Mini-Vans that get as much miles per gallon as a SUV.
So your the one that should STFU!
said mini van is more fuel efficent than said suv due to the number of peopel useing it much like takeing a big taxi home from the club if you are 6 k?
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ryy Kishin
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
yes oh humble forum mod
Well it's not like I resorted to name calling.
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MarkX
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: MarkX on 01/09/2005 17:23:25 Here in Victoria, BC the price of gas is at $1.17CAN for 1.0 LITRE's
I drive a '91 Nissan 240SX, relativley cheap on gas right, wrong! 91 Octane burns me at $55 a tank.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Psychopath I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Word.
No Dude, We desever cheap gas because we're footing the bill to sa***uard all of our "buddies" oil reserves. BP wouldn't have a pot to **** in if not for the US, so yeah, we should benefit a little, eh?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: MarkX Here in Victoria, BC the price of gas is at $1.17CAN for 1.0 LITRE's
I drive a '91 Nissan 240SX, relativley cheap on gas right, wrong! 91 Octane burns me at $65 a tank.
OUCH.
I'm thankful my car doesn't require higher octane fuels. Those are the worst hit folks out there right now.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath Edited by: Psychopath on 01/09/2005 17:19:38 Americans do not take action on global warming issues because they will not benefit immediately. They will need to be forced by higher prices to take notice and reduce their fuel consumption.
Most other developed countries in the world have taken action to reduce emissions and therefore make the world a better place for all of us.
Maybe this disaster in the US will mean that fuel prices will rocket and cause an attitude change.
Americans cry now about this flooding. However if nothing is done soon about global warming, low lying ares (such as New York) will probably disappear within 100 years. Welcome Oil Price Rises
Please remember the US is a big place, with a lot of different philosophies. A huge part of this country is fighting for change, 9-11 brought out the conservative vote - simple as that.
*along with a certain movie by Mel Gibson
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Evil Edna
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
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honestly i think its quite funny that all the americans are spitting the dummy over petrol prices when they are still a fraction of most other countrys in the world
and to the people saying "i love my suv/i need my suv" ect , fair enough, but then youre going to have to live with the reality of paying a large ammount of your money out on fuel
as for american cars being sturdy and well built - ROFL
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 01/09/2005 17:27:34
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
yes oh humble forum mod
Well it's not like I resorted to name calling.
Don't worry, I'll get it locked somehow, hopefully.
The boards should include filters for anything about Iraq, Bush. Blair, U.S., and Politics, in general.
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TheElder
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
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well in sweden we pay 6$ per gallon...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Amataras
Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Deja Thoris 1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Im sorry Im a hot head but would you be so kind as to shut your stinkin pie hole?
I love my "SUV", in fact If my "SUV" happened to make it through the storm and I lived there it would be a much better vehical to have vs your lil shiat box jap wrap. I woulda saved your life just to pound on you some once we were to safty ofc. Now get a grip on the situation and relize theres more to real life then just your liberal ways!
Quick, stop those liberal conspirators before they cause another storm in order to drive up oil prices!
Finally a person with some sense -)
He was being sarcastic.
You keep driving your crappy, unreliable, 10 MPG SUV, and quit EVE because you can't afford the gas. I'll drive my hybrid Civic, or a high-quality high-milage Japanese or German car, and I'll keep playing EVE.
Sound like a deal? -- Proud member of the [23].
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:25:00 -
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I like nuclear power.
(and for the record, I wrote a real life military fall shelter guide back in 1998. Greenpeace are selfish, hateful, delusional, lying morons.)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri The boards should include anything about Iraq, Bush. Blair, U.S., and Politics, in general.
Well technically it should be in the Out of Pod forum so long as the political stuff is minimized. *shrug*
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:26:00 -
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Quote: sa***uard
Ok, the 3 * are for the letters "f" "e" "g". Now, I've got a fairly decent vocabulary, but can someone please tell me what a "f" "e" "g" is?
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Slik
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath Edited by: Psychopath on 01/09/2005 17:19:38 Americans do not take action on global warming issues because they will not benefit immediately. They will need to be forced by higher prices to take notice and reduce their fuel consumption.
Most other developed countries in the world have taken action to reduce emissions and therefore make the world a better place for all of us.
Maybe this disaster in the US will mean that fuel prices will rocket and cause an attitude change.
Americans cry now about this flooding. However if nothing is done soon about global warming, low lying ares (such as New York) will probably disappear within 100 years. Welcome Oil Price Rises
Word!
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri
Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Psychopath I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Word.
No Dude, We desever cheap gas because we're footing the bill to sa***uard all of our "buddies" oil reserves. BP wouldn't have a pot to **** in if not for the US, so yeah, we should benefit a little, eh?
Im going to have to call BS on this. You do realize that BP bought out Amaco right, and they also produce more natuaral gas than any oil company in the world (40% of thier total fuel yeild). Go figure the only major oil company not based in the US is the only oil company trying to move away from oil. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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