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Kiien
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:07:00 -
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I cant believe gas prices in the south have caused me to cancle my eve account for atleast awhile real life sucks some times 
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:12:00 -
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You dont need a car when you play eve! 
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:14:00 -
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Get used to it. If you're less than 60 years old then I predict you will experience higher oil prices within your lifetime. Consider the current situation to be a warning of worse to come. It's a question of when, not if.
The bottleneck will not be knowing where it is - it will be getting it out and into petrol tanks fast enough to meet demand.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:14:00 -
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You might not have thought of this, but 100's of people have died and many many more are without homes or food or water. Their pets probably dead, they have CAR! New Orleans is the cause of your 'problem', which, annoying as it is, you can't forget those less fortunate than you.
Just a heads up.
Tom.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:18:00 -
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1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:18:00 -
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The price for 89 Octane gasoline here in Arizona in the U.S. just hit $3.09 per gallon (3.78 liters). $40 to fill up the damned tank - I could eat for two weeks with that amount (albeit the food would suck).
-Wrayeth
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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:22:00 -
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American petrol prices are still much cheaper than in the UK
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Ace Combat
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Amataras
American petrol prices are still much cheaper than in the UK
Agreed, try paying ú1.00 gbp per litre 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Amataras
American petrol prices are still much cheaper than in the UK
Much Much Much cheaper.
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Just a simple warrior.
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Im sorry Im a hot head but would you be so kind as to shut your stinkin pie hole?
I love my "SUV", in fact If my "SUV" happened to make it through the storm and I lived there it would be a much better vehical to have vs your lil shiat box jap wrap. I woulda saved your life just to pound on you some once we were to safty ofc. Now get a grip on the situation and relize theres more to real life then just your liberal ways!
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amataras
American petrol prices are still much cheaper than in the UK
so?
jesus lemme take my pills
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Don't worry Bush is holding back fuel as an excuse to drive up prices so he can get congress to open the Artic Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling (it will happen the only reason it didn't happen last time republicans tried was because Clinton vetoed it) once they start pumping there Bush will stop holding back the oil already coming from overseas so it will look like he was right for opening the Arctic Refuge.
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Draig Coch
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Yeah 98p a litre here, now that is what I call expensive.
$3 is like prices from the 80's here lol.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Seriously. The civilian hummvees on the freeways are just wretched.
We should have been taxing gasoline into the 5-6 $ per gallon a long bloody time ago, but anything else I say will betray a certain seething hatred over the last two election results 
Guns and butter, yeehaw 
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Sveldt
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: voodoo
Im sorry Im a hot head but would you be so kind as to shut your stinkin pie hole?
I love my "SUV", in fact If my "SUV" happened to make it through the storm and I lived there it would be a much better vehical to have vs your lil shiat box jap wrap. I woulda saved your life just to pound on you some once we were to safty ofc. Now get a grip on the situation and relize theres more to real life then just your liberal ways!
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Wookie
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Are u taking the p1ss ????
try living in england, fuel prices are ú1 a litre, house prices are ridiculous, tax to live in a house is ridiculous not to mention everything else.
And try using a car thats fuel efficient and better for the environment like most people do in Europe do to counter the high fuel prices.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
...sucks in Arizona. Multiply the time it takes to get anywhere by a factor of at least three, if not five.
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2) Walk
My college is 10 miles away. I don't have that kind of time. And it's 110 degress farenheit in the shade in the summer, here, sometimes higher.
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3) Bicycle
Takes longer than public transportation. And the latter objection to walking applies here, too - heatstroke ftw.
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4) Car share
Nice one. Now if only I could find someone else with the exact same class schedule... :P
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5) Smaller car
Another good one...except I can't move large objects with a car the way I can with a pickup (my pickup's only a 4-cylinder, btw).
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Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me. Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
You don't own a car or live in the U.S., do you? Granted, I don't know why a lot of people with no children buy SUVs, but it's already hard enough to make ends meet as it is. For those close to the breadline, increased gas prices can push them across.
-Wrayeth
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 01/09/2005 16:29:52
Fuel efficient cars 4tw =)
My CRX has a 35 litre tank, and that's enough for 500 highway km's (~400 in town). Costs me about $30 CDN to fill it up.
Like Andrue said it's not going to get any better, only worse. The best thing people can do is sell their gas guzzlers and get more fuel efficient cars, it keeps money in your pocket and helps reduce the demand for oil (which will help lower prices obviously).
I personally believe the high prices are OPEC's way of trying to wean the world off of oil. They know a shortage is coming, and they know oil is a non-renewable resource. By driving up the price for oil they make a penny and force people to lessen their consumption. After all, lower consumption means their precious oil will last longer, which puts them in business longer...
Of course if you want to keep your SUV or truck you can also keep whining about oil prices to yourself. No one is going to fix this situation for you, if you want to drive a gas guzzler then you'll have to suck up the prices. Some people are ok with that and that's fine, I have nothing against it.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
The price for 89 Octane gasoline here in Arizona in the U.S. just hit $3.09 per gallon (3.78 liters). $40 to fill up the damned tank - I could eat for two weeks with that amount (albeit the food would suck).
Awww, I feel for you, I really do. That price equals to about 18.6 Danish Crowns for a gallon. Our gas prices has just hit 11kr per liter, that's 41.58kr (6.9 US$) per gallon, or about 2.24 times what you pay for it.
So I feel for you, I really do  . And since this seems like the time to mention it, I would like to point out that our base-tax is 42% of our income. But if you're a doctor, you're likely to pay about 70% of your income in taxes alone.
On the other hand, we do get free education and hospitals etc. Guess it's a trade-off.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Combat
Originally by: Amataras
American petrol prices are still much cheaper than in the UK
Agreed, try paying ú1.00 gbp per litre
Alrighty...but what's the purchasing power of the pound, these days? I'd truly like to know what you can buy in terms of non-gasoline items with a pound compared to a dollar.
-Wrayeth
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Don't worry Bush is holding back fuel as an excuse to drive up prices so he can get congress to open the Artic Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling (it will happen the only reason it didn't happen last time republicans tried was because Clinton vetoed it) once they start pumping there Bush will stop holding back the oil already coming from overseas so it will look like he was right for opening the Arctic Refuge.
why wouldnt we want to get more of our own oil vs paying the oil terrorists of the middle east? seems to me creating our own wells would put americans to work, lower oil costs and be better all around. ofc I would, like most people want to make sure as much care could be takin with the least possible effect on the enviroment. But I would rather have our own vs relying on foreign oil.
but i think i must leave this post now as my pills our kicking in..
:P
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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Im sorry Im a hot head but would you be so kind as to shut your stinkin pie hole?
I love my "SUV", in fact If my "SUV" happened to make it through the storm and I lived there it would be a much better vehical to have vs your lil shiat box jap wrap. I woulda saved your life just to pound on you some once we were to safty ofc. Now get a grip on the situation and relize theres more to real life then just your liberal ways!
Quick, stop those liberal conspirators before they cause another storm in order to drive up oil prices!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:32:00 -
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What is this gallon?
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wookie
Are u taking the p1ss ????
try living in england, fuel prices are ú1 a litre, house prices are ridiculous, tax to live in a house is ridiculous not to mention everything else.
And try using a car thats fuel efficient and better for the environment like most people do in Europe do to counter the high fuel prices.
Actually the tax has a big advantage. When the crap hits the fan and fuel production gets bottlenecked permanently and prices skyrocket the government can cushion the blow by reducing the taxation. It also means that there is a break of sorts on UK oil usage. We are just about avoiding getting fatally addicted to it like the US.
Everyone in the UK is already aware of the cost of fuel and will be less shocked and less panicked when prices really take off. We might () even get tax breaks from the government to cushion the blow.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
...sucks in Arizona. Multiply the time it takes to get anywhere by a factor of at least three, if not five.
My college is 10 miles away. I don't have that kind of time. And it's 110 degress farenheit in the shade in the summer, here, sometimes higher.
Takes longer than public transportation. And the latter objection to walking applies here, too - heatstroke ftw.
Nice one. Now if only I could find someone else with the exact same class schedule... :P
Another good one...except I can't move large objects with a car the way I can with a pickup (my pickup's only a 4-cylinder, btw).
You don't own a car or live in the U.S., do you? Granted, I don't know why a lot of people with no children buy SUVs, but it's already hard enough to make ends meet as it is. For those close to the breadline, increased gas prices can push them across.
Get yourself to campus very early, leave very late. Spend the interim hours in the libary. If you have idle time, read Thoreau and Emerson in the (likely) gorgeous setting that is a college campus :) Work in the evenings if you have to make ends meet.
*shrug*
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:34:00 -
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Stop trying to compare the Europe to the US. The county I live in is bigger than most of your countries. You come here and bike/walk your a$$ 35 miles each way to work.
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Draig Coch
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Draig Coch on 01/09/2005 16:37:23
Stop whining on forums about VERY CHEAP prices please....!!
No one cares that you cancel your account of $20 a month because prices for fuel in your area have gone up a few cents when most others are paying over double that anyway.
Walk for a week or be quiet about it, or (shock, horror) get a more fuel efficient vehicle like the rest of the world has to.
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Wookie
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:34:00 -
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Andrue, i used to live just down the road from u, in Hook Norton :) small world eh.
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Ace Combat
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Ace Combat
Originally by: Amataras
American petrol prices are still much cheaper than in the UK
Agreed, try paying ú1.00 gbp per litre
Alrighty...but what's the purchasing power of the pound, these days? I'd truly like to know what you can buy in terms of non-gasoline items with a pound compared to a dollar.
Well a pound will buy you like a 500ml bottle of pepsi if that helps :/ good grief Pepsi is more expensive than petrol :/ lol
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Rafein on 01/09/2005 16:39:29
The oil from the Wildlife reserve will do nothing. The problem isn't oil right now, it's refined oil.
Many refineries have been knocked off line, so the oil is not getting processed.
And if you drive an SUV, we don't want to hear you complain about gas prices. Since your a lot of the cause. If everyone was driving more fuel efficent vechiles, people would need to fill up less, which would save them money, and decrease demand, which would lower prices. Basically, don;t poke your eyes out, and complain your blind
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
What is this gallon?
It's a totally archaic form of measurement based on an arbitrarily chosen (read: pulled out of ass) volume of liquid.
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amataras
Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Im sorry Im a hot head but would you be so kind as to shut your stinkin pie hole?
I love my "SUV", in fact If my "SUV" happened to make it through the storm and I lived there it would be a much better vehical to have vs your lil shiat box jap wrap. I woulda saved your life just to pound on you some once we were to safty ofc. Now get a grip on the situation and relize theres more to real life then just your liberal ways!
Quick, stop those liberal conspirators before they cause another storm in order to drive up oil prices!
Finally a person with some sense -)
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
What is this gallon?
It's a unit of measurement for fluids. Legally acceptable in..um..two countries one of which is a third-world (or not far off) African state. Every other country capable of expressing an opinion said it was no longer legal and most won't even import goods labelled using it.
Oh and the legal equivalent of 'one gallon' depends on where you live since there is some disagreement about how much fluid you get in a gallon.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
The oil from the Wildlife reserve will do nothing. The problem isn't oil right now, it's refined oil.
Yup. The oil in the ground may or may not run out in our lifetimes but what is certain is that refining and distribution of the useable fuel product will be unable to keep up with demand in the next few decades.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:40:00 -
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Rules to make money :
1-Say a ressource is going to deeplete soon
2-Make sure you have giant amounts of this ressource
3-Stock it and buy what you need
4-Do nothing to use alternative ressources
5-Do nothing to reduce usage (best, increase usage of this ressource)
6-Gradually increase the price of said ressource
Negotiate to maintain almost a monopole on this ressource.
Way to fight mopole :
1-Use alternative ressources
2-Team up to share ressource cost between teamates
3-Don't use said ressource (boycott)
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <)=Oveur (proof)
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
The oil from the Wildlife reserve will do nothing. The problem isn't oil right now, it's refined oil.
Many refineries have been knocked off line, so the oil is not getting processed.
BS. This was a problem 2 months ago. The storm only made a prior existing condition worse.
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Pitt
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:43:00 -
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There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work.
So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles.
Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Rafein
The oil from the Wildlife reserve will do nothing. The problem isn't oil right now, it's refined oil.
Many refineries have been knocked off line, so the oil is not getting processed.
BS. This was a problem 2 months ago. The storm only made a prior existing condition worse.
Search the net for some graphs of the yields we will get out of drilling as compared to your average well in the middle east. We are talking 10-1 concentrations here. Its why folks have been struggling to preserve the stuff, it won't put even a small dent in the overall demand. OPEC will still have us by the short ones until we get off the juice.
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Wookie
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:46:00 -
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then buy a diesel car that does 80+ mpg.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Caeden Nicomachean
Get yourself to campus very early, leave very late. Spend the interim hours in the libary. If you have idle time, read Thoreau and Emerson in the (likely) gorgeous setting that is a college campus :) Work in the evenings if you have to make ends meet.
*shrug*
Heh... Community college - that means our library sucks. I truly wish it didn't. As for working in the evenings, I'm one of those weird people who has trouble holding down a job. I can manage it (been supporting myself for the last four years), but I wouldn't be able to work and go to college at the same time. I'd screw up one, the other, or both and end up far worse than I started out. Massive debt from college loans ftw. :P
Not everyone can be an overachiever (or even be what's considered "normal"). Unfortunately, those of us who are somewhat challenged in our ability to deal with multiple stresses and multitasking usually get ridiculed for our shortcomings by those who refuse to attempt to understand their fellow human being. (Probably why I enjoy ganking people in EVE - payback's a *****.)
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that different people have different capabilities and life situations. A change to gasoline prices that would be normal in Europe is, in the U.S., enough to push those who are barely making ends meet beyond their ability to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads - especially if their place of employment isn't conveniently near their home.
Yes, a lot of people in the U.S. are well-off compared to other countries, but we have our poor, too. Hell, I can barely afford the monthly subscription on EVE, and that was true even when I was working full time and not going to school - and I'm by no means alone in this regard. This is pretty much the only entertainment I can afford - I can't go out and catch a movie in the theater, can't rent movies from the local Blockbuster Video, can't buy new video games (like Battlefield 2, dammit...), etc.
-Wrayeth
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pitt
There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work.
So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles.
Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to.
Except you leave out a point - that the reason we have less public transportation is because of lobbying from automobile and petroleum corporations. Geographical constraints are a very small part of it.
The next time a rail project comes in front of your closest US city, read the metro section during the deliberations and take a gander at who are the money behind the opposition. In Houston at least, it is almost always the afforementioned parties - and I've been in the mix there enough to vouch for it.
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Branco
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:52:00 -
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Don't feel bad, I just looked up Google to find that 1 Gallon is around 22 liters.
22 Liters cost me 37 USD. Now... what are you complaining about? Get EVE going again 
And if someone gets me a way of exporting that stuff in bottles I will happily buy them 10 USD a gallon... see how you you can profit? 
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pitt
There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work.
So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles.
Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to.
They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
What is this gallon?
It's a totally archaic form of measurement based on an arbitrarily chosen (read: pulled out of ass) volume of liquid.
Hey!!! At least we got the "billion" right.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:55:00 -
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First of all if you are paying $6 a gallon. File charges against the owner of that station for price gouging. It is against the law.
At the current time there is only a 2.0% shortage of fuel in the southeast US. By tonight the pipelines will have power back to the pumps and fuel will start flowing again.
Pres Bush is allowing the oil companys to borrow from the nations stock till the oil rigs are put back into service.
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:56:00 -
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iraqis pay with their blood for the low US gasoline prices. Check the rest of the world for a realitycheck on how the oil situation REALLY is for other countries that dosnt use their armed forces to pounce oil producing cuintries into submision.
The main reason isnt really the hurricane Katrina hitting new orleans and wrecking the mexican gulf oil platforms. Its something that has been happening for a long time with oil reserves getting depleted worldwide whilst China and India is having an industrial revolution requiring more and more oil.
So to hear US people cry over spilled milk for their outrageously low oil prices is an insult to the people around the world that gets to pay the real price for keeping the US easy living.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/09/2005 16:59:04
Originally by: Branco
Don't feel bad, I just looked up Google to find that 1 Gallon is around 22 liters.
22 Liters cost me 37 USD. Now... what are you complaining about? Get EVE going again
And if someone gets me a way of exporting that stuff in bottles I will happily buy them 10 USD a gallon... see how you you can profit?
LMAO...
A gallon is 3.78 liters. I'm looking at a gallon of milk right now, and it has metric conversion clearly labeled right next to the gallon in parentheses.
EDIT: For the price of one gallon of gas, I could buy a big-ass hamburger and a large soft drink at most local fast-food restaraunts (McDonald's, Burger King, etc.). For the price of a tank of gas, I could eat for two weeks on food that I buy at the grocery store and prepare, myself.
-Wrayeth
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Flyyn
First of all if you are paying $6 a gallon. File charges against the owner of that station for price gouging. It is against the law.
At the current time there is only a 2.0% shortage of fuel in the southeast US. By tonight the pipelines will have power back to the pumps and fuel will start flowing again.
Pres Bush is allowing the oil companys to borrow from the nations stock till the oil rigs are put back into service.
Did you see the pic or that oil rig that floated ashore and ended up on top of the interstate? There are about a dozen more that floated away that haven't been located yet.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:00:00 -
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Quote:
They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
Hrm. Whats with the bringing the storm into it? And you understand that the landmass of the UK is quite a lot larger than the basin affected by the storm?
Just saying. I'm in Houston. My wife is teaching the refugee kiddos that have made it here and houses all around me are filled with relatives who made it here....but this doesn't have much to do with the overall energy problems, only the latest spike.
Be cool if we not get into a US/Euro hatefest, we all are affected by energy prices.
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Branco
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Branco on 01/09/2005 17:02:39
Originally by: Wrayeth
A gallon is 3.78 liters. I'm looking at a gallon of milk right now, and it has metric conversion clearly labeled right next to the gallon in parentheses.
Ahh... damn google then, it fooled me
I was thinking the prices were really different and that something should be wrong either with the math or with the economy but hey...
The price of a gallon is just 7.2 USD here then... makes a lot more sense. 
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Slik
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:02:00 -
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Litres in a Gallon
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:03:00 -
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Price for 95 octane gas here in norway is at the moment (it is different from places to places ofcourse) 2 dollar, and some predict by the end of the year it might raise to 3 dollar...
Now I am glad I don't drive a car, I live in a small town where I can walk across the entire town in 15-20 minutes.
And yes ... it sucks if it makes you close your eve account, but it is nessesary with oilprices at 60 dollar... or something like that.
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Kris Longknife
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:03:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Ah figures a thread slammer...
Lets see...
Live on a nice size lot in a big house or live in a house that has been made into several apartments. I think I own my own land thank you very much...
Drive some piece of junk or some sturdy American made car...again American.
Live out in the country...or live in a 0.0 section in a city so I can walk to work...farm living for me.
Car share (I assume you mean car pool) See above farmer smith and farmer brown dont have fields by where I work.
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
And I love my 6000lb "Yank Tank" Want to play chicken???
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:05:00 -
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I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:06:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kris Longknife
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
Yeah! Just before we started living in the megacities with Judge Dredd!
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Flyyn
First of all if you are paying $6 a gallon. File charges against the owner of that station for price gouging. It is against the law.
At the current time there is only a 2.0% shortage of fuel in the southeast US. By tonight the pipelines will have power back to the pumps and fuel will start flowing again.
Pres Bush is allowing the oil companys to borrow from the nations stock till the oil rigs are put back into service.
Did you see the pic or that oil rig that floated ashore and ended up on top of the interstate? There are about a dozen more that floated away that haven't been located yet.
Yeah I seen it some even sank, But let you in on a secret?? The US has more oil then both Iraq and Saudi combined. We just dont use it till we need it.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Antic
iraqis pay with their blood for the low US gasoline prices. Check the rest of the world for a realitycheck on how the oil situation REALLY is for other countries that dosnt use their armed forces to pounce oil producing cuintries into submision.
The main reason isnt really the hurricane Katrina hitting new orleans and wrecking the mexican gulf oil platforms. Its something that has been happening for a long time with oil reserves getting depleted worldwide whilst China and India is having an industrial revolution requiring more and more oil.
So to hear US people cry over spilled milk for their outrageously low oil prices is an insult to the people around the world that gets to pay the real price for keeping the US easy living.
Blowing people up and stealing their oil isn't as easy as it looks. Sheesh
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Antic
iraqis pay with their blood for the low US gasoline prices. Check the rest of the world for a realitycheck on how the oil situation REALLY is for other countries that dosnt use their armed forces to pounce oil producing cuintries into submision.
The main reason isnt really the hurricane Katrina hitting new orleans and wrecking the mexican gulf oil platforms. Its something that has been happening for a long time with oil reserves getting depleted worldwide whilst China and India is having an industrial revolution requiring more and more oil.
So to hear US people cry over spilled milk for their outrageously low oil prices is an insult to the people around the world that gets to pay the real price for keeping the US easy living.
First, the damned reason we went to war wasn't because of oil - if it was, we would've been within the rights of a belligerent according to international conventions on war to KEEP Iraq and its oil for ourselves as the victor.
That said, it really p1sses me off when idiots in other countries think that because I am American I support the war in Iraq. Personally my opinion is this: support our troops, yes; support the reason they're there, no. I fully supported our actions in Afghanistan, but invading Iraq was just stupid and I dislike being blamed for it. I didn't vote for Bush and I don't support many of his policies.
-Wrayeth
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kris Longknife
Ah figures a thread slammer...
Lets see...
Live on a nice size lot in a big house or live in a house that has been made into several apartments. I think I own my own land thank you very much...
Drive some piece of junk or some sturdy American made car...again American.
Live out in the country...or live in a 0.0 section in a city so I can walk to work...farm living for me.
Car share (I assume you mean car pool) See above farmer smith and farmer brown dont have fields by where I work.
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
And I love my 6000lb "Yank Tank" Want to play chicken???
Only half of the US thinks like this. Need to understand that.
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CargoCult
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kris Longknife
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Ah figures a thread slammer...
Lets see...
Live on a nice size lot in a big house or live in a house that has been made into several apartments. I think I own my own land thank you very much...
Drive some piece of junk or some sturdy American made car...again American.
Live out in the country...or live in a 0.0 section in a city so I can walk to work...farm living for me.
Car share (I assume you mean car pool) See above farmer smith and farmer brown dont have fields by where I work.
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
And I love my 6000lb "Yank Tank" Want to play chicken???
Query then, you've made your choices surely you just have to live with the result?
if so good, if your still complaning politley - shut up
p.s. thanks for sturdy amiercan cars joke, *****ed me up
All the right letters, just not nescacarily in the right order - morcam and wise
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath
I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Word.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:11:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Caeden Nicomachean
Quote:
They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
Hrm. Whats with the bringing the storm into it? And you understand that the landmass of the UK is quite a lot larger than the basin affected by the storm?
Just saying. I'm in Houston. My wife is teaching the refugee kiddos that have made it here and houses all around me are filled with relatives who made it here....but this doesn't have much to do with the overall energy problems, only the latest spike.
Be cool if we not get into a US/Euro hatefest, we all are affected by energy prices.
The UK is not much bigger at all than the effected area. You do realize this storm even effected the Florida panhandle. And I very much like our UK and European brothers and sisters.
Lets also not forget that the US does also produce more domestic oil than Euro countries, so that I am sure helps with our lower prices
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:11:00 -
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you know there is alot of countrys that are wores of due to oil prices than you lot right?
might also make your oilcompanys start reseaching in alternerd fuel with out blocking funds to tho that do, hell might even let them stop putting pressure on car manyfactures abut building alternativ fuel cars so yeah higher gas prices are the way to go
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:13:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Pitt
There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work.
So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles.
Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to.
They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
Don't be silly, or get your facts right. The UK is about the size of Oregon. It has plenty of high ground. If this had hit the UK it would be a disaster but would not come close to wiping the country out.
But anyway I don't see why you are getting so worked up. All we're saying is that oil is expensiv, likely to get worse and the US is too dependant on it. Some of that dependency is difficult to avoid but...you built the country that way.
Personally I don't think the oil crises will be a catastrophy. I think people will learn to adapt and will find a solution. Some countries will have more difficulty adapting than others but the US is a country of great resource and I think that they can overcome their current predicament.
The only thing that can prevent that is a refusal to accept that a problem exists or an inability to do anything about it. The first is not the case and the second..well we'll see.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:14:00 -
[65]
It's not like oil companies ever needed a worldwide crisis to boost worldwide oil prices.
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Wira
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:14:00 -
[66]
Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Demarcus
Don't worry Bush is holding back fuel as an excuse to drive up prices so he can get congress to open the Artic Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling (it will happen the only reason it didn't happen last time republicans tried was because Clinton vetoed it) once they start pumping there Bush will stop holding back the oil already coming from overseas so it will look like he was right for opening the Arctic Refuge.
It would be fantastic if we could use our own oil and not the stuff from the middle east. Also, the stuff pumped from our own wells is better quality to start with than the Mid East. But almost every drop we produce is shipped to Japan. All in the name of trade of and such is the given reason. Most of the US oil is still in the ground and is estimated to be at least 80% of it still there.
We have this stuff called oil shale laying on the surface in Colorado and Wyoming. Back when this first came to light, it was considered too expensive to process to wring the oil out of it. Maybe it is time they revisited that process.
Also in Alberta Province, in Canada, there is a small company that is processing oil that has soaked into sand over the millenia. They dig down about 30 ft or meters, load the sand onto the huge off road mining trucks that Caterpillar makes and truck them to the processing plant. They get the oil out of the sand by running it through a mix of hot water and some chemicals. Oil and water do not mix, so the oil is easily skimmed from the water.
This Canadian plant is running 24/7 and only just started a short while ago, so it is too soon for them to have a large impact on the oil market, but Caterpillar cannot keep up with the demand for the largest trucks made by them to haul and keep hauling this oil sand mixture. Best estimates on how much oil is located in Alberta is consideraly more than the Middle East.
The biggest problem with the oil industry today, is they got rich, fat and lazy on Mid East oil. Too easy to obtain, and cheaper than drilling and refining their own home grown. I think maybe the pendelum is swinging the other way, and this one is coming home to bite the big oil "barons" in the US in the butt.
why wouldnt we want to get more of our own oil vs paying the oil terrorists of the middle east? seems to me creating our own wells would put americans to work, lower oil costs and be better all around. ofc I would, like most people want to make sure as much care could be takin with the least possible effect on the enviroment. But I would rather have our own vs relying on foreign oil.
but i think i must leave this post now as my pills our kicking in..
:P
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:15:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/09/2005 16:59:04
Originally by: Branco
Don't feel bad, I just looked up Google to find that 1 Gallon is around 22 liters.
22 Liters cost me 37 USD. Now... what are you complaining about? Get EVE going again
And if someone gets me a way of exporting that stuff in bottles I will happily buy them 10 USD a gallon... see how you you can profit?
LMAO...
A gallon is 3.78 liters. I'm looking at a gallon of milk right now, and it has metric conversion clearly labeled right next to the gallon in parentheses.
EDIT: For the price of one gallon of gas, I could buy a big-ass hamburger and a large soft drink at most local fast-food restaraunts (McDonald's, Burger King, etc.). For the price of a tank of gas, I could eat for two weeks on food that I buy at the grocery store and prepare, myself.
Or in the UK 4.545 litres :)
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:16:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Ryy Kishin on 01/09/2005 17:19:02
Originally by: Draig Coch
Edited by: Draig Coch on 01/09/2005 16:37:23
Stop whining on forums about VERY CHEAP prices please....!!
No one cares that you cancel your account of $20 a month because prices for fuel in your area have gone up a few cents when most others are paying over double that anyway.
Walk for a week or be quiet about it, or (shock, horror) get a more fuel efficient vehicle like the rest of the world has to.
3.13 per gallon is not very cheap for some people. maybe it is compared to UK prices but they are 2 different countries and have 2 different ways of doing things.
Not everyone can afford a newer fuel effecient vehicle, Some people work 40 miles from home, Some people have families that also drive Mini-Vans that get as much miles per gallon as a SUV.
So your the one that should STFU!
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse
There are no bugs in Eve only features.
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Reebo77
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kris Longknife
Yeah! Just before we started living in the megacities with Judge Dredd!
LMAO, thats some golden sarcasm
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:18:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kris Longknife
Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Ah figures a thread slammer...
Lets see...
Live on a nice size lot in a big house or live in a house that has been made into several apartments. I think I own my own land thank you very much...
Drive some piece of junk or some sturdy American made car...again American.
Live out in the country...or live in a 0.0 section in a city so I can walk to work...farm living for me.
Car share (I assume you mean car pool) See above farmer smith and farmer brown dont have fields by where I work.
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
Have you been to either coast of the US recently? Especially the east coast. I think you are very lucky to have what you have but don't get complacent. You're doing exactly what we did - it's just taking you a bit longer.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:18:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:19:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Psychopath
I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Smaller gallon.
A US pickup truck doing 20mpg is actually quite respectable even by tree hugger's standards.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:19:00 -
[73]
Americans do not take action on global warming issues because they will not benefit immediately. They will need to be forced by higher prices to take notice and reduce their fuel consumption.
Most other developed countries in the world have taken action to reduce emissions and therefore make the world a better place for all of us.
Maybe this disaster in the US will mean that fuel prices will rocket and cause an attitude change.
Americans cry now about this flooding. However if nothing is done soon about global warming low lying ares (such as New York) will probably disappear within 100 years. Welcome Oil Price Rises
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:20:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
yes oh humble forum mod
Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse
There are no bugs in Eve only features.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:21:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Demarcus
And I very much like our UK and European brothers and sisters.
Me too. I for one read international news, and subscribe to a multilateralist foreign policy. I think perhaps many euros don't know how divided the US is about this - which is why I make a point of mentioning it. Houston for example is decidedly on the left (mayor, city council, etc), despite being in Texas and in the midst of oil country. Its the land surrounding the cities that subscribe to a different set of ideals - which is most telling by the fact that Tom DeLay represents the folks just to the outside of Houston...which includes NASA and a big gob of the area refineries.
Quote:
Lets also not forget that the US does also produce more domestic oil than Euro countries, so that I am sure helps with our lower prices
True, but its the refineries and corporate economy of scale - along with an extreme hands off taxation policy that brings it down as far as it is. North american upstream units are decreasing yields on a daily. Dwindling. And Alaska won't stop that.
Cheers!
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:21:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
You sir are an idiot![:roll:
3.13 per gallon is not very cheap for some people. maybe it is compared to UK prices but they are 2 different countries and have 2 different ways of doing things.
Not everyone can afford a newer fuel effecient vehicle, Some people work 40 miles from home, Some people have families that also drive Mini-Vans that get as much miles per gallon as a SUV.
So your the one that should STFU!
said mini van is more fuel efficent than said suv due to the number of peopel useing it much like takeing a big taxi home from the club if you are 6 k?
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
yes oh humble forum mod
Well it's not like I resorted to name calling.
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MarkX
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: MarkX on 01/09/2005 17:23:25
Here in Victoria, BC the price of gas is at $1.17CAN for 1.0 LITRE's
I drive a '91 Nissan 240SX, relativley cheap on gas right, wrong! 91 Octane burns me at $55 a tank.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:22:00 -
[79]
Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Psychopath
I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Word.
No Dude, We desever cheap gas because we're footing the bill to sa***uard all of our "buddies" oil reserves. BP wouldn't have a pot to **** in if not for the US, so yeah, we should benefit a little, eh?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:23:00 -
[80]
Originally by: MarkX
Here in Victoria, BC the price of gas is at $1.17CAN for 1.0 LITRE's
I drive a '91 Nissan 240SX, relativley cheap on gas right, wrong! 91 Octane burns me at $65 a tank.
OUCH.
I'm thankful my car doesn't require higher octane fuels. Those are the worst hit folks out there right now.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Psychopath
Edited by: Psychopath on 01/09/2005 17:19:38
Americans do not take action on global warming issues because they will not benefit immediately. They will need to be forced by higher prices to take notice and reduce their fuel consumption.
Most other developed countries in the world have taken action to reduce emissions and therefore make the world a better place for all of us.
Maybe this disaster in the US will mean that fuel prices will rocket and cause an attitude change.
Americans cry now about this flooding. However if nothing is done soon about global warming, low lying ares (such as New York) will probably disappear within 100 years. Welcome Oil Price Rises
Please remember the US is a big place, with a lot of different philosophies. A huge part of this country is fighting for change, 9-11 brought out the conservative vote - simple as that.
*along with a certain movie by Mel Gibson
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Evil Edna
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
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honestly i think its quite funny that all the americans are spitting the dummy over petrol prices when they are still a fraction of most other countrys in the world
and to the people saying "i love my suv/i need my suv" ect , fair enough, but then youre going to have to live with the reality of paying a large ammount of your money out on fuel
as for american cars being sturdy and well built - ROFL
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Quanteeri on 01/09/2005 17:27:34
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Ryy Kishin
You sir are an idiot!
*snip*
So your the one that should STFU!
Try a more constructive post next time.
yes oh humble forum mod
Well it's not like I resorted to name calling.
Don't worry, I'll get it locked somehow, hopefully.
The boards should include filters for anything about Iraq, Bush. Blair, U.S., and Politics, in general.
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TheElder
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:24:00 -
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well in sweden we pay 6$ per gallon...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:25:00 -
[85]
Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Amataras
Originally by: voodoo
Originally by: Deja Thoris
1) Public transport
2) Walk
3) Bicycle
4) Car share
5) Smaller car
Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me.
Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits.
Im sorry Im a hot head but would you be so kind as to shut your stinkin pie hole?
I love my "SUV", in fact If my "SUV" happened to make it through the storm and I lived there it would be a much better vehical to have vs your lil shiat box jap wrap. I woulda saved your life just to pound on you some once we were to safty ofc. Now get a grip on the situation and relize theres more to real life then just your liberal ways!
Quick, stop those liberal conspirators before they cause another storm in order to drive up oil prices!
Finally a person with some sense -)
He was being sarcastic.
You keep driving your crappy, unreliable, 10 MPG SUV, and quit EVE because you can't afford the gas. I'll drive my hybrid Civic, or a high-quality high-milage Japanese or German car, and I'll keep playing EVE.
Sound like a deal?
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:25:00 -
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I like nuclear power.
(and for the record, I wrote a real life military fall shelter guide back in 1998. Greenpeace are selfish, hateful, delusional, lying morons.)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri
The boards should include anything about Iraq, Bush. Blair, U.S., and Politics, in general.
Well technically it should be in the Out of Pod forum so long as the political stuff is minimized. *shrug*
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:26:00 -
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sa***uard
Ok, the 3 * are for the letters "f" "e" "g". Now, I've got a fairly decent vocabulary, but can someone please tell me what a "f" "e" "g" is?
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Slik
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath
Edited by: Psychopath on 01/09/2005 17:19:38
Americans do not take action on global warming issues because they will not benefit immediately. They will need to be forced by higher prices to take notice and reduce their fuel consumption.
Most other developed countries in the world have taken action to reduce emissions and therefore make the world a better place for all of us.
Maybe this disaster in the US will mean that fuel prices will rocket and cause an attitude change.
Americans cry now about this flooding. However if nothing is done soon about global warming, low lying ares (such as New York) will probably disappear within 100 years. Welcome Oil Price Rises
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri
Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Psychopath
I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Word.
No Dude, We desever cheap gas because we're footing the bill to sa***uard all of our "buddies" oil reserves. BP wouldn't have a pot to **** in if not for the US, so yeah, we should benefit a little, eh?
Im going to have to call BS on this. You do realize that BP bought out Amaco right, and they also produce more natuaral gas than any oil company in the world (40% of thier total fuel yeild). Go figure the only major oil company not based in the US is the only oil company trying to move away from oil.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:31:00 -
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This can go on and on, people in europe will not understand medium income families here in the US, just like the people in the US will never understand medium income families in the UK.
Two totally different countries with the way they do things and not to mention prices are totally different. No one will know what its like unless they have been living in each others country during this castrophe.
Draig Coch my apologies with being short with you, also my apologies to Winterblink.
Its a frustrating time here.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Quanteeri
Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Psychopath
I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Word.
No Dude, We desever cheap gas because we're footing the bill to sa***uard all of our "buddies" oil reserves. BP wouldn't have a pot to **** in if not for the US, so yeah, we should benefit a little, eh?
Im going to have to call BS on this. You do realize that BP bought out Amaco right, and they also produce more natuaral gas than any oil company in the world (40% of thier total fuel yeild). Go figure the only major oil company not based in the US is the only oil company trying to move away from oil.
I wonder how they came across all that capital?
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath
I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions.
US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions.
Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg.
Yes. And with an ongoing global environemntal disaster with extreme global warming, that president bush claims dont exist, we will keep seeing more frequent environmental disasters like hurricanes, tornadoes, extreme heat waves, floods, extreme cold and so on. Just use a news event checker and see how many diasters we have had lately compared to just 20 years ago.
And wich country is the greatest villain in fueling this greenhouse effect? Yes, thats right, the united states of america. And stubborn to such an extreme that their president even pretend ignorance claiming researchwork false just to spare his beloved big corporation industries from the cost it would impose on them to reduce their emissions.
Know what dear friends? The tundra in north of russia, sibiria and scandinavia is melting. The permafrost has been there for thousands of years and now its melting due to this greenhouse effect that we humans in our own stupidity let loose on the world and in our greed stay ignorant of and do nothign about. The tundras and permafrost marshes have collected CO2 and other gases over milennia and now its all being released in a VERY short amount of time into the atmosphere in the form of methane gas, another greenhouse gas. And this is accelerating the greenhouse effect at an alarming rate to far surpass even the most pessimistic scientists predictions.
And to add insult to injury the glaciers at greenland and the polar icepacks is melting at an alarming rate. Who cares you say? You should. Because the effects of this will make hurricane catrina and the suffering it caused look like childs play. The polar icepacks consists mostly of sweet water ice. And when the sweet water form that ice melts into the salty water of the north sea it reduces the selidity (amount of salt in teh water) of the sea up there. This in itself makes sinking of cooling hot water to the bottom harder and finaly it will stop happening.
And what then?
Ever hear of the Thermohaline Circulation? Also called the great ocean conveyer belt? no? well you should read up on it then cus its crucical to your survival. Its a great sustem of underwater currents that circumvent the globe and is partialy powered by gravity. It pulls hot water (heated by the sun) from the equator to the poles and cold water from the northen and southern hemisphere to the equator regions. This ensures that the climate and temperature around the planet is fairly constant. It keeps equatorial regions from being deserts and keeps northen and southern hemisphere areas from being a permanent ice age.
One of the driving forces behind this Circulation is the falling of warm water to the bottom of the see when it cools near the poles. If this ceases to happen the entire circulation will stop. And due to global warming and icecap melting this is happening right now.
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/545.html
http://www.climate.unibe.ch/~christof/div/fact4thc.html
So argue along about how you get to pay an extra dollar for your already cheap gasoline when your country is already making sure it will contribute to bringing about the greatest disaster to ever befall mankind.
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Lorzon
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:35:00 -
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Let's understand something.
My car gets 26mpg and am forced to drive 40 miles a day, 5 days a week. That's 200 miles just for going to and from work. I also enjoy spending time with my parents so I drive to their house 90 miles away, so that is an additional 180 miles per week for a total of 380(660km) miles a week. This is the lower end of the average amount that the average American travels. This is roughly equivalent to driving across both France and Germany. So do us all a favor and think before you spew pointless bilge.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:38:00 -
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The historicly most active part of hurricane season doesn't even start for 3 weeks.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:39:00 -
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Better get used to those prices as some esitmates put peak global oil production in 2007.
The US hit the hubbert peak a long time ago and that is why it switched to an improter and not an exporter of oil.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kris Longknife
We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago.
Never been to Europe i guess?
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:40:00 -
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It does not matter about journey length. If you use a fuel efficent car it will roughly half amount of fuel used. Therefore for same amount of miles travelled which would not have changed, the US could produce half the emissions because less fuel is burnt.
The "I travel 1000 miles a week argument does not stand up". Use a fuel efficent car and you will save MORE money on petrol and help the planet. Makes Sense
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Antic
*snip of a great post*
Good stuff. To sum up, people should watch The Day After Tomorrow, which dramatizes problems that can occur due to things Antic speaks of. While the timeline might be more than a bit extreme in its speed in the movie, the possibility is definitely there.
The Arctic Ocean is already seeing major changes happening in an around the area with regards to ice melting. There's an interesting article here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Arctic-Zone-May-Become-Iceless-6828.shtml
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Antic
So argue along about how you get to pay an extra dollar for your already cheap gasoline when your country is already making sure it will contribute to bringing about the greatest disaster to ever befall mankind.
Ah, another idiot bent on lumping all Americans together under one label.
Charming.
Just remember: whichever country you currently live in is contributing, too. Don't try to tell me your **** doesn't stink.
-Wrayeth
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Psychopath
It does not matter about journey length. If you use a fuel efficent car it will roughly half amount of fuel used. Therefore for same amount of miles travelled which would not have changed, the US could produce half the emissions because less fuel is burnt.
The "I travel 1000 miles a week argument does not stand up". Use a fuel efficent car and you will save MORE money on petrol and help the planet. Makes Sense
OK, I am buying a new car next week. You can send me the additional $8,000 to by the hybrid version of what I am getting.
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VonKaplanek III
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:42:00 -
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2.63 one day and 3.79 the next In New York
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Xerosen
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:43:00 -
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Wanna know somethign strange? When something happens overseas that effects the oil getting exported, the prices in other countries sky-rocket the next day. Thing is, that oil being bottle-necked takes a good amount of time to actually get to those countries.
It's all a giant conspiracy.. oil doesn't come out of the ground on a monday and get to the gas stations on a tuesday, so why the hell should the prices for oil that was drilled months previous be upped?
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:46:00 -
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My car gets 26mpg and am forced to drive 40 miles a day, 5 days a week. That's 200 miles just for going to and from work. I also enjoy spending time with my parents so I drive to their house 90 miles away, so that is an additional 180 miles per week for a total of 380(660km) miles a week. This is the lower end of the average amount that the average American travels. This is roughly equivalent to driving across both France and Germany.
Forced being the operative word here...but I know the deal, commute times in TX are nuts too.
But a lot of the issue could be alleviated with taxation - and a big part of voters don't dig this. Raise taxes on petro a great deal, and the market will settle itself. Provide tax cuts for living closer to your place of employ and the like.
Here is the obvious deal...living in the burbs costs less and comes with larger space than living in the city. The jobs in these outskirting regions are lower paying and less plentiful, being agriculture based a lot of the time. The point is that we get the best of both worlds by working a high tech job but living in the low cost areas, and this is what consumes a vast ammount of the world's resources.
The tax ideas have been floating around in congress for years, because it was posited that the american people would never change until they felt the price of gasoline in their pockets, and then the market would shift to accomodate the situation. Well now we are slowly starting to feel it. The situation *should* get worse, quickly, so we change our minds about how we earn our bread and the like.
Change is coming.
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Psychopath on 01/09/2005 17:47:10
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OK, I am buying a new car next week. You can send me the additional $8,000 to by the hybrid version of what I am getting.
Europeans started changing to SMALL fuel efficent cars in the early to mid 1990s. It is not my fault that America has not done the sensible thing.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
next week. You can send me the additional $8,000 to by the hybrid version of what I am getting.
Exactly. If someone wants to develop a fuel-efficient hybrid pickup truck and give me the $30,000 to buy it then, by all means, I'm willing to do so.
In reality, however, I don't have the money to buy such a vehicle even if they were in production here in the U.S., so everyone trying to tell me otherwise can just stfu. I can't control what car manufacturers choose to develop and it will be years before my income is sufficient to buy a new car.
-Wrayeth
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Jezala
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Edna
honestly i think its quite funny that all the americans are spitting the dummy over petrol prices when they are still a fraction of most other countrys in the world
and to the people saying "i love my suv/i need my suv" ect , fair enough, but then youre going to have to live with the reality of paying a large ammount of your money out on fuel
as for american cars being sturdy and well built - ROFL
You misunderstand the problem here.
People aren't freaking out that fuel is starting to hit $5-6 (US), they're going ballistic because the cost of fuel is rising by 100%, 150%, and 200%. This is compounded by the fact that almost every aspect of their lifestyle is dependent on oil (and its products) in some shape and form. We're not just talking about fuel for personal vehicles here, this impacts the national transporation system (trucks, aircrafts, cargo vessels) and the goods that are being transported.
It is like getting hit with a massive inflation increase without having time to adjust. The shock of this can and will financially destroy families, business, and economies.
It's easy to say "don't drive the SUV" or "buy a hybrid"; but people need finanical relief now, not invest another $20,000 that pays off 5-10 years down the road.
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Antic
So argue along about how you get to pay an extra dollar for your already cheap gasoline when your country is already making sure it will contribute to bringing about the greatest disaster to ever befall mankind.
Ah, another idiot bent on lumping all Americans together under one label.
Charming.
Just remember: whichever country you currently live in is contributing, too. Don't try to tell me your **** doesn't stink.
Oh im well aware of my countrys responsibility. Thats what makes us different wrayeth, your president dosnt even aqnowledge there IS a problem. And for your information Sweden, wich is my country, has been and continue to be in the absolute front when it comes to redusing greenhouse gas emissions.
Should we bring up the kyoto protocol and how a certain mr Bush didnt sign it? well Kyoto in itself isnt enough to remedy the problem but its a step in the rignt direction. And the USA couldnt even take that one step.
Yeah yeah i know dont pull all of you over the same cliff. But you should remember that you as a country voted for your own government, so you have to live with the consequenses of that. And one is the contempt of the rest of the world.
The real americans are the ones that lost the election agasint bush, that dare to let the good of all go before the fattening of corporate/politician wallets.
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Psychopath
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Psychopath on 01/09/2005 17:53:24
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You misunderstand the problem here.
People aren't freaking out that fuel is starting to hit $5-6 (US), they're going ballistic because the cost of fuel is rising by 100%, 150%, and 200%. This is compounded by the fact that almost every aspect of their lifestyle is dependent on oil (and its products) in some shape and form. We're not just talking about fuel for personal vehicles here, this impacts the national transporation system (trucks, aircrafts, cargo vessels) and the goods that are being transported.
It is like getting hit with a massive inflation increase without having time to adjust. The shock of this can and will financially destroy families, business, and economies.
It's easy to say "don't drive the SUV" or "buy a hybrid"; but people need finanical relief now, not invest another $20,000 that pays off 5-10 years down the road.
The fact is that the US economy has built on unsustainable fuel prices and therefore has been growing far too fast. Part of the problem has been President Bush's tax cutting and protection of industry. Everyone knew the day would come when prices would equal world prices.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 01/09/2005 17:53:21
So who's to say those pesky glaciers shouldn't have melted long ago. I love this notion that the world should be static to comfort mankind.
I give someone 1 mil ISK to post a killmail into this thread.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:54:00 -
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Post locked for being off topic for this forum, and for other issues contained within.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Pitt
There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work.
So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles.
Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to.
They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone.
Would it be pedantic to point out that there's no large cities in the UK built _below_ sea level?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:54:00 -
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This thread needs a great big group hug before it gets into a politically motivated flamefest. I'll go first:
*grabs Eris Discordia and holds her close*
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Xavier Holtzman
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Posted - 2005.09.01 17:54:00 -
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wow. this thread is really getting all the whiners to come out of their holes...both UK and US. my turn to whine. yea, gas prices sucks. so does 99.9% of everyone in the world.
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