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TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:14:00 -
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Will freighter be given a skill reimbursement with Odyssey? Right now I can almost fly a a freighter. I just need advance spaceship command 1. After Odyssey I will need spaceship command 5. If I train advance space spaceship command1 now, will get a advance spaceship command 5 after?
This goes with their saying, fly it now, fly it latter. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:14:00 -
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Nope
But you will still be able to fly it. |
Paikis
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
727
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:15:00 -
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No |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4456
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:15:00 -
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No.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:19:00 -
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but the requirement will change to Advance Spaceship command 5. If I can fly it at leve1 now, I wont after the patch? |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:22:00 -
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If you injected the skill freighter before the patch, then that is all that is required to still fly the ship after the patch. You won't need to retrain any skills as long as you have freighters skill injected.
Although you will probably want to train advanced spaceship command in the future anyway. |
TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:23:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:If you injected the skill freighter before the patch, then that is all that is required to still fly the ship after the patch. You won't need to retrain any skills as long as you have freighters skill injected.
Although you will probably want to train advanced spaceship command in the future anyway.
Right, I need level1 to fly it now. I will need level5 after the patch. Will I be given level 5 after the patch or will I be able to fly it with only level1? Will my account be flagged so that I can fly it under the required skill? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
2144
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:28:00 -
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TheTravler wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:If you injected the skill freighter before the patch, then that is all that is required to still fly the ship after the patch. You won't need to retrain any skills as long as you have freighters skill injected.
Although you will probably want to train advanced spaceship command in the future anyway. Right, I need level1 to fly it now. I will need level5 after the patch. Will I be given level 5 after the patch or will I be able to fly it with only level1? Will my account be flagged so that I can fly it under the required skill?
You only need the prerequisite to inject a skill... you do not need the prerequisites to actually fly a ship... just the primary skill.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Nalha Saldana
Sickology
695
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:28:00 -
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TheTravler wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:If you injected the skill freighter before the patch, then that is all that is required to still fly the ship after the patch. You won't need to retrain any skills as long as you have freighters skill injected.
Although you will probably want to train advanced spaceship command in the future anyway. Right, I need level1 to fly it now. I will need level5 after the patch. Will I be given level 5 after the patch or will I be able to fly it with only level1? Will my account be flagged so that I can fly it under the required skill?
No you will not need it to fly it, you need it to learn the freighter skill. Once you have that skill it doesnt matter what prerequirements change. |
Mark Munoz
Str8ngeBrew
STR8NGE BREW
103
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:38:00 -
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The only skill required to fly a freighter is Freighter 1. However to inject the freighter skill now only requires Advance Spaceship 1 as of now. Come Odyssey it will require ASCV.
So when you jump into your freighter the only skill it cares about is if you have Freighters 1 trained. It doesn't care about all the new requirements others need to get to, in order to train Freighters 1. |
TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:39:00 -
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So when it says I need advance spaceship5 to fly, I really only need level1?
WTF
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64158/1/SkillFreighter.jpg |
TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:40:00 -
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Mark Munoz wrote:The only skill required to fly a freighter is Freighter 1. However to inject the freighter skill now only requires Advance Spaceship 1 as of now. Come Odyssey it will require ASCV.
So when you jump into your freighter the only skill it cares about is if you have Freighters 1 trained. It doesn't care about all the new requirements others need to get to, in order to train Freighters 1.
I know the requirements now.... What I'm saying is if I train ASC1 and fly it around tomorrow... Come Odyssey I will need ASCV to fly. Will I be granted ASCV so I can still fly my ship? |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:42:00 -
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The way the game works it out is that you only need the actual primary and possibly also the tertiary skills at the top of the tree to fly the ship. All of the other skills given are simply required to inject the skill and have no other relevance as far as the actual game code is concerned. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3061
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:43:00 -
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TheTravler wrote:Mark Munoz wrote:The only skill required to fly a freighter is Freighter 1. However to inject the freighter skill now only requires Advance Spaceship 1 as of now. Come Odyssey it will require ASCV.
So when you jump into your freighter the only skill it cares about is if you have Freighters 1 trained. It doesn't care about all the new requirements others need to get to, in order to train Freighters 1. I know the requirements now.... What I'm saying is if I train ASC1 and fly it around tomorrow... Come Odyssey I will need ASCV to fly. Will I be granted ASCV so I can still fly my ship?
Wrong.
Today, you need Freighter 1 to fly the ship. Tomorrow, you will need Freighter 1 to fly the ship.
The pre-reqs for Freighter 1 will change, but that doesn't matter.
Not all pre-reqs are created equal, and this is how nested pre-reqs work. Same thing happens if you get Carrier 1, get podded and lose BS 5: you can still fly a Carrier because BS V is not a pre-req for flying the carrier, just for training the skill.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
497
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:43:00 -
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Five to one baby, one in five...no one gets out of here alive.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:46:00 -
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I'm talking about the skill required to FLY the ship, not the skills required to learn the skills to fly the ship.
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64158/1/SkillFreighter.jpg |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:47:00 -
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It's been explained to you pretty clearly in the posts above, I suggest you re read them. |
Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
129
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:48:00 -
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It's called Skill nesting, the prerequisite skills are to inject and train the skill once you have it you have it. So you could fly your freighter at the level you trained it before prerequisites change but to train it any higher you will have to meet the new requirements.
So if you can fly it before you can after. the only case this is not true is with faction Battleships as the Battleship skill is increasing but for the love for all that is rusty you should have your BB skill higher than 1 any way. |
TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:52:00 -
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Has anyone looked at the link I posted?
After the patch the ship will require level 5 to FLY.... Not to learn the skill but to FLY the ship. I can't fly it now because I don't have the required skill to fly. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3062
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:53:00 -
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And look at the two pre-reqs to fly the ship listed in your picture.
Before: Freighter I, Adv Spaceship I
After: Freighter I, Adv Spaceship I
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
TheTravler
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:58:00 -
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ahh, I understand now.... Sorry, was confused as hell haha |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2232
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:And look at the two pre-reqs to fly the ship listed in your picture. Before: Freighter I, Adv Spaceship I After: Freighter I, Adv Spaceship I The pre-reqs nested below those skills are not required to fly the ship. They're just required to inject those skills.
Yup the skill requirements for the ship itself aren't changing at all.
After the patch you will need Adv Spaceship Command to train the freighter skill, NOT THE SHIP, THE SKILL
you do NOT need advanced spaceship command at 5 to fly a freighter after the patch
You only need Advanced spaceship command 1 and freighters 1, if you already have these skills trained before the patch then the change is completely superfluous to you.
This goes for any other skill changes too.
Another example of this is the command ships skill after the patch. Anyone who can already fly a command ship doesn't care.
The Drake is a Lie |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1170
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:59:00 -
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After the expansion, should you try to board a Freighter without Advanced Spaceship Command V, your character will automatically biomass in shame.
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2232
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:07:00 -
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To anyone that comes along later and wonders "Why does this even work like this int he first place?!"
It's because of SP loss from bad clones.
Say you are able to fly the carrier archon. According to this the archon needs Amarr battleship 5 and Drone interfacing 5 for the carrier skill.
However the only skills that the carrier itself need are Capital Ships I, Amarr Carrier I, and Jump Drive Operation I.
If you were to get podded today and lose Amarr Battleship 5 you will still be able to fly an archon just fine because the lack of Amarr Battleship 5 doesn't magically stop the Carrier skill from working.
However you would lose the ability to fly a Redeemer because the ship itself specifically requires that skill to level 5.
The Drake is a Lie |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3062
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:09:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:To anyone that comes along later and wonders "Why does this even work like this int he first place?!" It's because of SP loss from bad clones. Say you are able to fly the carrier archon. According to this the archon needs Amarr battleship 5 and Drone interfacing 5 for the carrier skill. However the only skills that the carrier itself need are Capital Ships I, Amarr Carrier I, and Jump Drive Operation I. If you were to get podded today and lose Amarr Battleship 5 you will still be able to fly an archon just fine because the lack of Amarr Battleship 5 doesn't magically stop the Carrier skill from working. However you would lose the ability to fly a Redeemer because the ship itself specifically requires that skill to level 5.
For anyone wondering why CCP would set up a system like this protect players who forgot to update their clones: they didn't.
IIRC SP-Saving Medical clones did not always exist.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1227
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Posted - 2013.03.28 01:58:00 -
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CCP would sooner part with their nuts than give a SP refund. 
Live Events are neither. |
stoicfaux
2569
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:13:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:CCP would sooner part with their nuts than give a SP refund.
I thought I detected a kinder, gentler, soprano tone from CCP after the removal and refunding of the learning skills.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3852
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:21:00 -
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TheTravler wrote:Has anyone looked at the link I posted?
After the patch the ship will require level 5 to FLY.... Not to learn the skill but to FLY the ship. I can't fly it now because I don't have the required skill to fly.
Are you really even going too ?
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2013.03.28 03:16:00 -
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TheTravler wrote:Has anyone looked at the link I posted?
After the patch the ship will require level 5 to FLY.... Not to learn the skill but to FLY the ship. I can't fly it now because I don't have the required skill to fly.
The slow is strong with this one... |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
2144
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Posted - 2013.03.28 03:22:00 -
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Shaotuk wrote:TheTravler wrote:Has anyone looked at the link I posted?
After the patch the ship will require level 5 to FLY.... Not to learn the skill but to FLY the ship. I can't fly it now because I don't have the required skill to fly. The slow is strong with this one...
I've had milkshakes that were less... "thick." 
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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