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AndromacheDarkstar
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
715
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:31:00 -
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Wow you are full on ****** arnt you. People are pointing out quite rightly that what you dont like about this multiplayer game is that its multiplayer. Might i suggest you go and play something like Pippa Funnell: The Stud Farm Inheritance which might suit your play style a little bit better. The Forsworn Protectorate-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Whitehound
1435
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:Moving from Features & Ideas Discussion to General Discussion. We accept your offering. You are granted one wish. Confirming, this was the right move.
On the topic: I hate everything, especially the forums. I cannot stop coming here.  Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Dave Stark
2295
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:33:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:Moving from Features & Ideas Discussion to General Discussion. We accept your offering. You are granted one wish. Confirming, this was the right move. On the topic: I hate everything, especially the forums. I cannot stop coming here. 
agreed, the forums are like crack. you know you shouldn't be doing it but you just can't help yourself. you waste time reading this? |

Jack AmarrX
Conciliatory Acquisitions Institute Galactic Industrial Coalition
6
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:50:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:[quote=Kali Omega] 5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except typing.
Yeah Eve's a load of **** because its not an fps. Imagine for a second actually trying to pvp if on top of everything else you had to control a ship on the 3 dimensional plane with wasd. Even joystick or freelancer style mouse control would reduce the game to a boring pile of ass.
Please lance your wasd craving with fps and space shooters, eve is not either of those, to its benefit.
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Kali Omega
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
29
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:13:00 -
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Jack AmarrX wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:[quote=Kali Omega] 5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except typing. Yeah Eve's a load of **** because its not an fps. Imagine for a second actually trying to pvp if on top of everything else you had to control a ship on the 3 dimensional plane with wasd. Even joystick or freelancer style mouse control would reduce the game to a boring pile of ass. Please lance your wasd craving with fps and space shooters, eve is not either of those, to its benefit.
Huh? Never said that..thanks for putting words in my mouth. |

Kali Omega
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
29
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:15:00 -
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Kali Omega wrote:Jack AmarrX wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:[quote=Kali Omega] 5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except typing. Yeah Eve's a load of **** because its not an fps. Imagine for a second actually trying to pvp if on top of everything else you had to control a ship on the 3 dimensional plane with wasd. Even joystick or freelancer style mouse control would reduce the game to a boring pile of ass. Please lance your wasd craving with fps and space shooters, eve is not either of those, to its benefit. Ace: I hardly count my rebuttle tears.. Jack: Huh? Never said that..thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1821
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:22:00 -
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Confirming: 2 > 1
CCP, please nerf 2.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Zixie Draco
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:29:00 -
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...to play a mmorpg by one's self is illogical. Would you like a kitten? |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
62
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Posted - 2013.04.02 16:22:00 -
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We're all supposed to be posting with our own lists, right? Not just discussing the OP's rant? HERE'S MINE!
1. The UI is bloody awful. This covers many other associated topics - controlling drones, the overview, how enemy ships are displayed, organizing windows, general layout of windows, local chat . . . whew.
2. Wow . . . . just fix the UI, mmkay? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
7681
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Posted - 2013.04.02 16:46:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics. Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:
1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances. 2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers. 3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage. 4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players. 5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate. 6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players). 7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.
I'm merely a highsec bunny so I'll ignore anything relating to nullsec
3: Bumping is a valid tactic to stop someone from doing something, whether it's mining, warping or docking. Believe me you don't want it to do damage, Jita undock would become a graveyard, exhumers, haulers and freighters would explode when bumped at sufficient speed, regardless of the size of the ship doing the bumping. Modern physics actually backs this up, look at kinetic energy and conservation of momentum, as well as the theory behind kinetic bombardment (normally only applies to dropping things onto planets from a great height but given the Dust tie in, it's relevant).
4: Highsec wars are between corporations, if you're a one man corporation, that's your problem, make some friends, hire some mercs, use allies. The mechanics are already in place, some people just choose not to use them.
5: Blind gates, you can already see what's waiting for you on the other side of a gate, it's called a scout in a cheap cloaky ship, once again the mechanics are in place, and once again some people choose not to use them.
6: POS's are meant to be a corporate asset, they can however be controlled by an individual player quite easily by using the mechanics already in place. If a person wants their own highsec POS then there are people who will quite happily sell them a corporation with the required faction standings to have one, one person can even defend a highsec POS successfully, it's what military experts call a d*ckstar.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. MY CSM ballot is as follows, Psychotic Monk, Mangala Solaris, Malconis, Mynnna, Apricot Baby, Ali Aras, Steve Ronuken. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight -affliction-
83
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Posted - 2013.04.02 16:48:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics. Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:
1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances. 2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers. 3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage. 4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players. 5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate. ...
Well for me its...
1) Carebears, driving EVE down the road to nerfdom http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |

Bronn Stormborn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:16:00 -
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This thread delivers ...lots of tears. |

Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:27:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics. Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:
1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances. 2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers. 3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage. 4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players. 5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate. 6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players). 7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.
Do you realize that your alliance is succeeding in its current war effort because of all these things you hate? Perhaps you should reevaluate your stance
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
7681
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:36:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:
Do you realize that your alliance is succeeding in its current war effort because of all these things you hate? Perhaps you should reevaluate your stance
Your logical argument, it means nothing in GD.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. MY CSM ballot is as follows, Psychotic Monk, Mangala Solaris, Malconis, Mynnna, Apricot Baby, Ali Aras, Steve Ronuken. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Nulli Legio
426
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:39:00 -
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Log in to eve... no corp members online... *sigh* Kick Heim... MATE |

Marrnius DeLeon
Brave Newbies Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:47:00 -
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One thing I like about EVE:
1. How everyone defends how awesome the game is!  |

Alara IonStorm
4845
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:01:00 -
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Marrnius DeLeon wrote:One thing I like about EVE: 1. How everyone defends how awesome the game is!  One thing I like about EVE is how Awesome the game is.  |

Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:08:00 -
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How in the wallet the amount is "xxxx ISK" even though there is already another column called currency which tells you it is ISK |

Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations
59
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:08:00 -
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You know what I hate about eve online?
Hi sec. Everything about it, from the miners to the mercs, I ******* hate hisec. CCP should do us all a favor and remove it entirely. Give the noobs a safe constellation and just be done with the scourge of hisec once and for all pew pew 24/7 |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:10:00 -
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Here is the thing.
People don't want "fair" fights where they have an equal chance of winning and losing. They want to win, all the time... or, far more than average.
As a result, good fights generally only happen when both sides think they can win. Which is rare, and of course, one side or the other is wrong.
Since good fights happen so rarely, people looking for kills are forced to do other things hoping to pick off weak, foolish or distracted stragglers. Gate camps, cloaky cynos, high sec war decs, Awoxing, etc. are all attempts to get kills with reduced risk of loss.
So, the problem is not with EVE, but rather is with the players. No one wants to be the loser, and no one wants a fair fight. They want to win, win, win... even if that means a lame, boring game, of picking off week, newb, lame, stragglers. |

Andy Landen
Air Red Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:11:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote: Do you realize that your alliance is succeeding in its current war effort because of all these things you hate? Perhaps you should reevaluate your stance
Just because I benefit from something doesn't mean that I have to support it. |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:11:00 -
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Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:You know what I hate about eve online?
Hi sec. Everything about it, from the miners to the mercs, I ******* hate hisec. CCP should do us all a favor and remove it entirely. Give the noobs a safe constellation and just be done with the scourge of hisec once and for all
The 50% of accounts unsub and CCP goes bankrupt. How is that good for anyone? |

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
164
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:13:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics. Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online: *SNIP*
Yeah, I hate when people use ingenuity against me too.
Even though I am part of faction war in low sec, I can still do about everything I want solo, in all areas of space. Adapt, HTFU, and especially don't come to the forums to whine about it  |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:18:00 -
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Jack AmarrX wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:[quote=Kali Omega] 5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except typing. Yeah Eve's a load of **** because its not an fps. Imagine for a second actually trying to pvp if on top of everything else you had to control a ship on the 3 dimensional plane with wasd. Even joystick or freelancer style mouse control would reduce the game to a boring pile of ass. Please lance your wasd craving with fps and space shooters, eve is not either of those, to its benefit.
CCP went against convention here. Not because EvE is a so-called sandbox (it's not a sandbox in a classic sense, too much micromanagement to really be considered one), it's because they changed the interface so much that it's an orphan.
Common controls makes it possible for players to hop into a game with ease. It's why the UIs are so familar across so many games/applications. They don't want players to spend an eon adapting to each new UI. It's doesn't follow logic even (especially conservation of resources -- why reinvent the wheel???).
If CCP wanted truly a unique interface they wouldn't rely on conventional keyboard shortcuts, either.
WASD doesn't exist because EvE doesn't have independent movement. To go "off-grid" you need a bookmark. You can't just travel to XYZ. For a game that also claims to be about PvP, it doesn't deliever the tools to play it as PvP.
EvE's UI isn't even like Homeworld's, it's like Microsoft Office.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Dave Stark
2311
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:18:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:You know what I hate about eve online?
Hi sec. Everything about it, from the miners to the mercs, I ******* hate hisec. CCP should do us all a favor and remove it entirely. Give the noobs a safe constellation and just be done with the scourge of hisec once and for all The 50% of accounts unsub and CCP goes bankrupt. How is that good for anyone?
no more whining. you waste time reading this? |

Andrea Griffin
320
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:21:00 -
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My high sec bear is in a small corporation that was war-decced by a MUCH larger alliance looking for easy kills. It was three players - myself and two friends - against an alliance with well over a hundred active members.
I took to a covert ops ship, spent a day looking around for these people, and eventually found their home base. It turned out that this alliance likes to take in new players to the game - and not prepare them at all for war. I would sit in the system cloaked (sometimes for hours, waiting) until I found a newbie at a gate or asteroid belt or planet. I'd uncloak, kill his frigate, pop the pod, and escape.
I swapped to a bomber and popped a few mining barges, too. Then a destroyer for some quick fun. I would change things up, keep them guessing, so they couldn't just hit the directional scanner and see "Oh, there's a Coercer on scan, time to dock!"
After I had gotten a half dozen kills, some in a covert ops (because I could and it's humiliating) and sent polite mails to my victims (your alliance is not preparing you for Eve, they started this war, look elsewhere, check out Eve-Uni), they started to hemorrhage recruits.
That hurt. It didn't hurt their kill board much - the value of newbies in cheap mining frigates isn't exactly a lot - but it did hurt their pride and it hurt their morale. Once a few new players left for greener pastures, more followed.
The war ended not long after.
It doesn't make for a great war story, I don't consider myself some kind of elite PvP pilot, and I certainly don't like to shoot at newbies that just joined the game and don't know any better, but I didn't start the war.
So, what can we learn about this?
As a single player I cannot take on a large number of combat pilots by myself. I'm not Garmon nor any other elite PvP type. I don't have wads of cash for expensive ships full of faction and officer loot. I don't even have a booster alt.
What I can do is look for the weak links. The stragglers. The haulers. People who are a little less smart than I am about Eve (difficult to find, but they exist). The people who simply aren't paying attention and don't even know what a warp scrambler is.
I took the aggressive actions of a much larger entity and did the best I could to respond to it. Minimize my risk, maximize theirs.
What I didn't do was whine about it.
This happened quite a while ago. These days, you have a tool that I never did: You can open your war dec up for assistance from a third party. You don't even have to undock to fight back.
Andy Landen wrote:Oh yeah. Forgot to add: 8) Forum Trolls. Not really a feature of the Eve client, but none-the-less annoying. I don't like them either, but there's little that will be done about that, I'm afraid. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
72
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:no more whining.
but whining has been rewarded with this action. I feel like a tourist in this game. |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
no more whining.
I'm sure most of us would just move to a new game, and go to their forums, and whine there... mostly about how great EVE was before CCP listened to it vocal minority and removed high sec.
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations
59
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:28:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:You know what I hate about eve online?
Hi sec. Everything about it, from the miners to the mercs, I ******* hate hisec. CCP should do us all a favor and remove it entirely. Give the noobs a safe constellation and just be done with the scourge of hisec once and for all The 50% of accounts unsub and CCP goes bankrupt. How is that good for anyone?
By giving the remaining players a much more authentic sandbox and overall fun game. And removing the endlessly whining, brain dead individuals from a great game and community. That is the only argument anyone uses in defense of hisec, but if your playing this game just to stay in hisec idk why you even bother subscribing in the first place. pew pew 24/7 |

Dave Stark
2312
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:28:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
no more whining.
I'm sure most of us would just move to a new game, and go to their forums, and whine there... mostly about how great EVE was before CCP listened to it vocal minority and removed high sec.
i think that's the first sensible thing i've ever seen you post. you waste time reading this? |
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