so what you're saying is you hate the multiplayer aspect of an MMO?

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

One thing i hate about eve online.

People like you.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.

2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.

3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.

4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.

5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.

6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).

7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves.

These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

Multiplayer is nice when single players can actually play the game too. Blobplayer has always been resented due to the mechanics above becoming extremely "noticable."

Moving from Features & Ideas Discussion to General Discussion.

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Moving from Features & Ideas Discussion to General Discussion.

so what you're saying is you hate the multiplayer aspect of an MMO?

given examples don't cover even little part of "multiplayer aspect of an MMO". So why the question?

I was in a 60+ sink fleet the other day, cheap t1 cruisers just out for a roam. We ran into a 20+ man fleet of Naga's, scimitar's, and a arazu's. Who do you think would win that engagement?

Stealth bombers are one of the only counters for the blob.

You started a thread about things you don't like about eve online. I just gave you what i dont like about eve you hypocritical ass

Okay why does that mean they need the ability to instalock after decloaking?

Last I checked you don't need to lock anything to launch a bomb

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

We accept your offering. You are granted one wish.

Confirming, this was the right move.

On the topic: I hate everything, especially the forums. I cannot stop coming here.

[quote=Kali Omega]
5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except typing.

Yeah Eve's a load of **** because its not an fps. Imagine for a second actually trying to pvp if on top of everything else you had to control a ship on the 3 dimensional plane with wasd. Even joystick or freelancer style mouse control would reduce the game to a boring pile of ass.

Please lance your wasd craving with fps and space shooters, eve is not either of those, to its benefit.

Ace: I hardly count my rebuttle tears..



Jack: Huh? Never said that..thanks for putting words in my mouth.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
...

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Do you realize that your alliance is succeeding in its current war effort because of all these things you hate? Perhaps you should reevaluate your stance

One thing I like about EVE:

1. How everyone defends how awesome the game is!

Do you realize that your alliance is succeeding in its current war effort because of all these things you hate? Perhaps you should reevaluate your stance

You know what I hate about eve online?

Hi sec. Everything about it, from the miners to the mercs, I ******* hate hisec. CCP should do us all a favor and remove it entirely. Give the noobs a safe constellation and just be done with the scourge of hisec once and for all

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online: *SNIP*

Yeah Eve's a load of **** because its not an fps. Imagine for a second actually trying to pvp if on top of everything else you had to control a ship on the 3 dimensional plane with wasd. Even joystick or freelancer style mouse control would reduce the game to a boring pile of ass.

Please lance your wasd craving with fps and space shooters, eve is not either of those, to its benefit.

The 50% of accounts unsub and CCP goes bankrupt. How is that good for anyone?

Oh yeah. Forgot to add:
8) Forum Trolls. Not really a feature of the Eve client, but none-the-less annoying.

no more whining.

no more whining.

The 50% of accounts unsub and CCP goes bankrupt. How is that good for anyone?

I'm sure most of us would just move to a new game, and go to their forums, and whine there... mostly about how great EVE was before CCP listened to it vocal minority and removed high sec.

My high sec bear is in a small corporation that was war-decced by a MUCH larger alliance looking for easy kills. It was three players - myself and two friends - against an alliance with well over a hundred active members.

I took to a covert ops ship, spent a day looking around for these people, and eventually found their home base. It turned out that this alliance likes to take in new players to the game - and not prepare them at all for war. I would sit in the system cloaked (sometimes for hours, waiting) until I found a newbie at a gate or asteroid belt or planet. I'd uncloak, kill his frigate, pop the pod, and escape.

By giving the remaining players a much more authentic sandbox and overall fun game.

There won't be any remaining players, if CCP is bankrupt...

Sheesh.

Some people....

i think that's the first sensible thing i've ever seen you post.

Carebears will not be fooled. We know, the best way to minimize wars is to simply not log in during the war.

I sincerely think a good portion would adapt to no hisec, and those that don't should **** off anyways. Ccp did just fine with much less subs for a long time.

And I think you are wrong.

I'm waiting with baited breath for some, ANY, details on the spacescape, rebalance coming with Odyssey. Will I be unsubbing 3 of my accounts, or all 4?

nah 'cos they get some satisfaction out of that. drag them down to lowsec if they want to fight and see what real PvP is like, ie. full of surprise third party *********.

Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.

Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.

You condescending bunch of pricks....why do always assume EVERYBODY can actually afford a second account?

This has to be the most classic example of the Scotsman Logically Fallacy I've ever seen.

Most people at least attempt to disguise their logical fallacies a little.

Making up definitions is what the Scotsman Fallacy is all about. And, here, you are doing it again.

PvE is player vs, NPC. If they ship you are shooting is controlled by a NPC, then it is PvE. If it is controlled by another player, then it is NOT PvE.

Creating some new definition, then using that definition to prove your point, is the Scotsman Logical Fallacy.


[quote=Andy Landen]
Real pvpers are not so bad that they have to hide in a blob against a single pve ship. By definition, because they are real pvpers, they have some amount of skill and courage.

Wow!

Either you don't read much of what I post, or... well... you may not be the sharpest tool in the shed.

My high sec bear is in a small corporation that was war-decced by a MUCH larger alliance looking for easy kills. It was three players - myself and two friends - against an alliance with well over a hundred active members.

I took to a covert ops ship, spent a day looking around for these people, and eventually found their home base. It turned out that this alliance likes to take in new players to the game - and not prepare them at all for war. I would sit in the system cloaked (sometimes for hours, waiting) until I found a newbie at a gate or asteroid belt or planet. I'd uncloak, kill his frigate, pop the pod, and escape.

I swapped to a bomber and popped a few mining barges, too. Then a destroyer for some quick fun. I would change things up, keep them guessing, so they couldn't just hit the directional scanner and see "Oh, there's a Coercer on scan, time to dock!"

After I had gotten a half dozen kills, some in a covert ops (because I could and it's humiliating) and sent polite mails to my victims (your alliance is not preparing you for Eve, they started this war, look elsewhere, check out Eve-Uni), they started to hemorrhage recruits.

That hurt. It didn't hurt their kill board much - the value of newbies in cheap mining frigates isn't exactly a lot - but it did hurt their pride and it hurt their morale. Once a few new players left for greener pastures, more followed.

The war ended not long after.

It doesn't make for a great war story, I don't consider myself some kind of elite PvP pilot, and I certainly don't like to shoot at newbies that just joined the game and don't know any better, but I didn't start the war.

So, what can we learn about this?

As a single player I cannot take on a large number of combat pilots by myself. I'm not Garmon nor any other elite PvP type. I don't have wads of cash for expensive ships full of faction and officer loot. I don't even have a booster alt.

What I can do is look for the weak links. The stragglers. The haulers. People who are a little less smart than I am about Eve (difficult to find, but they exist). The people who simply aren't paying attention and don't even know what a warp scrambler is.

I took the aggressive actions of a much larger entity and did the best I could to respond to it. Minimize my risk, maximize theirs.

What I didn't do was whine about it.

This happened quite a while ago. These days, you have a tool that I never did: You can open your war dec up for assistance from a third party. You don't even have to undock to fight back.

If nothing else, you have 3 slots on your account. Play with a different character while your enemies waste money on someone that won't ever log in.

I don't like them either, but there's little that will be done about that, I'm afraid.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Unlike what many think, real pvp is NOT about getting a blob together to take down a single pve ship.

Still the Scotsman Logical Fallacy. Hint, the use of "Real" in your statement, just before redefining the word, is a sure give away that it is the Scotsman Logical Fallacy.

Again, you may want to at least attempt to disguise your use of logical fallacy in failed attempts to make a point. Like, maybe, NOT using "real" before a word, in an attempt to magically alter the definition of the word.

Here is an example. A player whose KB stats are just blobbing PVE ships, gets negative reputation as a good PvPer to me.

Whats all this piffle?

Oh yeah. Forgot to add:
8) Forum Trolls. Not really a feature of the Eve client, but none-the-less annoying.

The word "real" is a legitimate word, such as, you are a real tool. Which we are all seeing is true. LOL.

Edit: I agree that risk is good, but removing risk from the pvpers and transferring it all to the pve'ers just sounds like you want easy kills and don't want to work very hard or risk much yourself.

I dislike that other people are playing this game and that I can't do everything in it by myself.

Short version.

5: Blind gates, you can already see what's waiting for you on the other side of a gate, it's called a scout in a cheap cloaky ship, once again the mechanics are in place, and once again some people choose not to use them.

You condescending bunch of pricks....why do always assume EVERYBODY can actually afford a second account?

8) Elitist wankers who think every other player is wrong.

You started a thread about things you don't like about eve online. I just gave you what i dont like about eve you hypocritical ass

Who said it had to be a second account? I wrote that "condescending post" and I certainly didn't, and I certainly don't have one either, I have something better, it's called friends.

I give you, the modern carebear. He views the other players as the biggest issue with his favorite MMO.

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances..
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).

A few weeks ago I was bored and thought about doing something different..So I decided to go have a look at LS just to see what all the fuss was about. Off I went to the nearest system I could find, it was a 0.4 system, not exactly hardcore null sec but it was scary enough just with the rating. I went in a cheap ship and warped to the gate and through it...then woke up in my medical station..........As soon as I had poked my nose through the gate I got locked, killed and podded, for absolutely no reason other than I had gone through the gate..And you seriously expect me to ask friends to risk the same fate? If you do then you're the worst kind of friend or corp mate there is.

2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos.

A few weeks ago I was bored and thought about doing something different..So I decided to go have a look at LS just to see what all the fuss was about. Off I went to the nearest system I could find, it was a 0.4 system, not exactly hardcore null sec but it was scary enough just with the rating. I went in a cheap ship and warped to the gate and through it...then woke up in my medical station..........As soon as I had poked my nose through the gate I got locked, killed and podded, for absolutely no reason other than I had gone through the gate..And you seriously expect me to ask friends to risk the same fate? If you do then you're the worst kind of friend or corp mate there is.

Many players gang up against single players.

This is a problem of "honor", does not have to be solved by game mechanics.
Maybe - add a number to each pilot, that represents "honor" - calculated by how many kills and deaths with nobody helping him? Need a smart way to calculate, else someone could raise it just by losing or killing frigates. Then other players interested in "honorable combat" can turn this on in the overview?

Whoa, the hostility.

And the tears are delicious.

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Top Things I Hate about EvE:

1. What to do between level 3 and level 4 missions -- as now the training isn't 1 day it's nearly 2 weeks per skill level. At the stage where you can't get into the next level ship as the skills lag behind to effectively fly and fight in it. You need the next level ship to do the level 4 missions or just roll over and die, die, die.

2. The mission system -- I had my qualms about WoW quests, but EvE's mission dialogue is horrible. H-o-r-r-i-b-l-e. That's the secret why EvE players PvP, too!

3. Right clicking -- I like right clicking but EvE takes it to new limits. Fleet Finder is the epitome of the w-o-r-s-t of it.

4. UI - When checking skills and certs; market/sales; fittings and having the hanger UI open...1920x1080 of the screen is totally filled up. I don't see my ship when docked, I see boxes...many, many, m-a-n-y boxes. Short, small, long, tall, wide...if it's a box it's open!

5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except to type.


6. Conditional PvP - Bombs are a legit weapon. If terrorists can blow up a RL capital, we should be able to blow up make believe Jita.

This is a problem of "honor", does not have to be solved by game mechanics.
Maybe - add a number to each pilot, that represents "honor" - calculated by how many kills and deaths with nobody helping him? Need a smart way to calculate, else someone could raise it just by losing or killing frigates. Then other players interested in "honorable combat" can turn this on in the overview?

1) Cynos should be changed, yes - you shouldn't be able to fit them on anything from a rookie ship to a titan. 500k SP rookie ship cyno alts need to be a thing of the past.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

Yada-yada-yada........

Op is basically hating on multiplayer aspect and whining that game should somehow be 'slanted' to be 'fair' for players who choose to play solo

it's a multiplayer game, it's meant to be played WITH others.. if you choose to go it alone, the road should be harder.

Not a problem. The jump distance, however, makes EVE small. Needs to be fixed. IMO.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

.

I love the multiplayer aspect and my suggestions prove that multiplayer can still exist with game mechanics improvements. I am constantly surprised at how many pvpers are really just risk-adverse carebears in disguise. A pvper who prefers blobbing solo pve ships is just a carebear with a disruptor; brave in numbers, scared of his own shadow.

You love that line "solo pve ships" don't you?

I've never done a mission/complex in my life....

I have killed a rat or two in belt though...does that make me a pve'er ? I think not

You may not, but your alt did (which is you regardless).

You can't escape the PvE side in EvE. Everyone engages in it. It's why it even exists in a PvP game.

You ask how to i make isk? Loot... "its a pirates life for me" Yarrr

Welcome to PvE.

Selling. Buying. Trading. Building. Are all PvE activities.

Putting lipstick on the pig doesn't make it PvP.

Welcome to PvE.

Selling. Buying. Trading. Building. Are all PvE activities.

Putting lipstick on the pig doesn't make it PvP.

Welcome to PvE.

Selling. Buying. Trading. Building. Are all PvE activities.

Putting lipstick on the pig doesn't make it PvP.

Welcome to PvE.

Selling. Buying. Trading. Building. Are all PvE activities.

Putting lipstick on the pig doesn't make it PvP.

EVE is such a diverse game that opinions vary considerably. Op had 7 things he hates.
Here are mine,
1.The rank structure is broken.
We are all Captains but when I told my FC he canGÇÖt order me to GÇ£jump jumpGÇ¥ and I am not GÇ£holding my cloakGÇ¥ as I donGÇÖt own one, kicked me from fleet. Power mad nutter!

2.People who say GÇ£YarrrGÇ¥!
Who arenGÇÖt from the West Country, have one eye, a wooden leg and parrot or have had a stroke. Gits!

3.Suicide gankers who actually believe they are good at PvP.
Suicide ganking for profit yes, shitz and giggles yes, Pod poker yes. But an elite PvPer errrm no.

4.People who think they are GÇ£Elite Null Sec space pilotsGÇ¥.
Who wonGÇÖt undock a Hulk or their CNR to rat without an all clear in the whole constellation. Then because a manticore pilot was seen in local yesterday spend 8 hours bitching on the forums about nerfing Cov Ops or Hi Sec as they earn more isk than you per hour GÇô BECAUSE THEY ARENGÇÖT DOCKED UP ALL DAY. Pillock!

5.Dramiel Pilots.
Because I have never managed to kill one. I know there have been some terribad fits seen on Lossmails. Every Dramiel pilot I meet flies like a WW2 ace and I end up on fire picking shrapnel out of my pod. I will remove this from the list if I ever manage to kill one. Until then you are all barstewards.

6.Goonswarm drones.
Remember the kids in school who thought they were cool, but were actually tossers. Well thatGÇÖs where they hang out in EVE. Except the guys who run the Goonswarm who are taking advantage of them. I LIKE those guys.

7.Tear Harvesters
These are people who do bone things to others that arenGÇÖt funny, make no profit or take any skill whatsoever - then bragging about it. An example would be repeatedly shooting a newbie in his rookie ship at the undock then boasting on C&P about it with a terrible post. These people are so fail not even Goonswarm will take them.

My only alt is a covert cyno alt...she sits cloaked waiting for people like andy.. no pve for her either.

You ask how to i make isk? Loot... "its a pirates life for me" Yarrr

But where do you draw that line

why do some people have to put others down justn++ to make themselves feel better. i think its an insecurity issue

If you don't like the things on that list, then EVE isn't your game. If you can get by avoiding those aspects of the game, then you're not really playing EVE.

Dude, you are the rats of the pve world. You make the cyno which brings lots of red targets ganging up on a single pve ship. The difference is that you have disruptors and you weren't invited, unlike most of the rats. Neither of those points makes you any more than a pve "rat." So yes, by fighting a pve ship, you are doing pve, while calling it pvp of all things. A carebear flying a pirate flag and whining about proposals to improve the mechanics that you hold so dear to being a carebear .. what do you make of that?

So if i fight a (live person) who is in a (pve) ship its Pve? wow Andy you have gone to all high in proving your ignorance

You have gone to an all high to deny the resemblence to pve. Think about it: A pve ship vs lots of red crosses (rats/you). The blob happens to be controlled by players, but they are no different than an unexpected spawn of rats with disruptors. If you like blobbing pve ships without any risk to yourselves, then you are just a bunch of carebears merely pretending to be pvpers. If you dislike increasing the difficult and risk to your blob, then you are even more of a carebear.

My feedback and proposals make this thread a feedback and development thread, but the forum admins do not want people to consider these new ideas as feedback for development. Reveals the heavy hand of censorship, IMHO.

The PvP side I can get in 1000001 games,

PVE (Player vs environment ) - Ratting/building/trading/marketing/fitting/sitting in the station spinning ships

PVP (Player vs player) - combat with actual other players (shooting POSes for example isn't PvP, that's PvE).

Argument ended.

PVE (Player vs environment ) - Ratting/building/trading/marketing/fitting/sitting in the station spinning ships

PVP (Player vs player) - combat with actual other players (shooting POSes for example isn't PvP, that's PvE).

Argument ended.

null sec and low sec was not meant for the faint of heart

Wrong, PvE is shooting at NPCs, ship spinning is admiring your ship, the other 4 are PvP.

It's Player vs. Environment. Environment isn't just roids and rats. It's anything not related to attacking another player.

It's Player vs. Environment. Environment isn't just roids and rats. It's anything not related to attacking another player.

If your target does not have warp disruptors, field logistics, and all the other elements that present a serious player threat against you, then entering a pve arena against a single pve ship just makes you and your friends a few more uninvited rats on the scene. You like blobing against a single pve ship? If so, then you are a carebear. Period.

Remember when a group of rather large bearded guys with Icelandic accents showed up on your doorstep, held a gun to your head and made you subscribe to Eve-O for life.

If your target does not have warp disruptors, field logistics, and all the other elements that present a serious player threat against you, then entering a pve arena against a single pve ship just makes you and your friends a few more uninvited rats on the scene. You like blobing against a single pve ship? If so, then you are a carebear. Period.


Added: I am simply proposing that some of the mechanics which make it so easy for people to be "pvp carebears" be changed so that the scales are not so harshly tipped toward the risk-adverse "pvper." Also, to put this thread BACK into the Features and Feedback area for due discussion and consideration in the improvement of Eve Online. It is a shame that so many "pvp" players such as the one below are so-simple-minded that they don't see the difference between attacking a pvp group and attacking a solo pve ship.

That "so-simple-minded" poster is me, there was no need for the insult, poor as it was. I'm not a ship based PvP player by any means, this is my main, I trade, I mine, I sell corps, I shoot at NPCs, I make stuff that explodes and sell it to people who like explosions. I'll admit to having an alt with a few kills that indulges in the odd bit of asshattery, but it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, my main activity.

I simply stated a fact, PvP is Player vs Player, as per the commonly accepted definition, regardless of whether or not one of those players is prepared for it. When you undock, you consent to your ship and possibly your pod being violated, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, that's the nature of playing a multiplayer PvP game, especially one where the Devs believe, and have categorically stated, that being able to ruin somebody's day is a cornerstone of the game, regardless of system security level.

Maybe I've been spoilt, I've never played another MMO longterm, Eve was my first, so the status quo is the norm for me, and has been for nearly 4 years, I had no preconceptions from other MMOs coming into Eve, I had 4 trials before it finally hooked me so I knew what I was letting myself in for.

If you don't like the way the game is with regards to the open PvP environment, don't undock. There are plenty of other games that cater to your tastes complete with PvE arenas and the like, stop trying to water ours down.

Maybe I've been spoilt, I've never played another MMO longterm

When you do, you see MMOs not for this or that turf, or this or that definition. You see future potential. New cultures. New adventures.

Not seeing just one box, one color and claiming, "IT'S A SANDBOX!!!", FU too!!!

This is a problem of "honor", does not have to be solved by game mechanics.
Maybe - add a number to each pilot, that represents "honor" - calculated by how many kills and deaths with nobody helping him? Need a smart way to calculate, else someone could raise it just by losing or killing frigates. Then other players interested in "honorable combat" can turn this on in the overview?

Just to use your signature. A sandbox just means unscripted play within an environment that governs certain rules.

Right. Which means what, Frying?

One color. One size. One idea isn't "unscripted".

Society will group up, and by nature alone, want their environment the way they like it. They will try to dictate by culture an identity. And by doing so, it's no longer the "sandbox". It's turf protecting an identity of how it's culture likes/prefer to play. Carry it too far, it becomes a problem seen in many niche games, it becomes a ghetto. Oblivious to anything but it's own identity, culture and mores.

A 1984 (or for that matter, a Clockwork Orange) world.

Maybe you prefer the security of double speak and milk, others prefer a more healthy and vibrant world, so a "sandbox" can actually exist.

So you are not talking about a sandbox at all, you are talking about sociology and the human psych.

Talking what it is and what it becomes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhBmXKKYq1E

I wont bother with the Utube.

Hey, you're missing a great part of all of this -- actually...like...listen.

Talking what it is and what it becomes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhBmXKKYq1E

But how is a landslide suppose to reach us in EVE? landslides can't go to space?????

World Party - "Is it Like Today?"

Many years ago, he looked out through a glassless window
All that he could see was Babylon
Beautiful green fields, and dreams, and learned to measure the stars
But there was a worry in his heart

He said, "How could it come to this?
I'm really worried about living
How could it come to this?
Yeah, I really want to know about this"

Is it like today?
Oh-oh-oh

Then there came a day, moved out across the Mediterranean
Came to western isles and the Greek young men
And with their silver beards they laughed at the unknown of the universe
They could just sit and guess God's name

But they said, "Heh, how could it come to this?
We're really worried about living
How could it come to this?
Yeah, we really want to know about this"

Is it like today?
Oh-oh-oh

Then there followed days of kings, empires and revolution
Blood just looks the same when you open the veins
But sometimes it was faith, power or reason as the cornerstone
But the furrowed brow has never left his face

He said, "How could it come to this?
We've been living in a landslide
How could it come to this?
Yeah, we really want to know about this"

Is it like today?
Oh-oh-oh

Then there came a day, man, packed up flew from the planet
He went to the moon, to the moon
Now he's out in space, heh, fixing all the problems
He comes face to face with God

He says, "How could it come to this?
I'm really worried about my Creation
How did it comes to this?
You're really killing me, you know"

It isn't just today?
Oh-oh-oh
Is it like today?
Ah, oh-oh
Is it like today?

Oh...Bang!

Many years ago, he looked out through a glassless window
Didn't understand much what he saw...

When you do, you see MMOs not for this or that turf, or this or that definition. You see future potential. New cultures. New adventures.

Not seeing just one box, one color and claiming, "IT'S A SANDBOX!!!", FU too!!!

PVE (Player vs environment ) - Ratting/building/trading/marketing/fitting/sitting in the station spinning ships

PVP (Player vs player) - combat with actual other players (shooting POSes for example isn't PvP, that's PvE).

Argument ended.

Behold, the most ignorant post ever on the EvE Online forums.

Congratulations, you just reach max level on the clueless themeparker scale.

seriously dude, it's like complaining there's no multiplayer solitair...

Actually for the most part I've seen companies grabbing as much money as they can by constantly churning through subscribers or going pay to win/f2p.

I tried a couple of other MMOs since starting Eve, they were uninspiring and failed to hold my attention for more than a week or so, bland dev content, poor player created content, colourful and childish graphics, and apparent lack of depth, none of which appeals to me.

I'm no fly by night gamer, I've been playing computer games for over thirty years, I've seen companies come and go, I've seen fantastic games and their devs consumed by the likes of Electronic Arts and Blizzard, who promptly either kill them off or dumb them down to the lowest common denominator and constantly regurgitate them because of money.

CCP is no different. They allow RL money to buy ingame currency. No different than seen in F2P games.
Did you know that?

All these game companies exist to make a profit. They have to, that's how business works. Once they become corporate they're no long those guys building a game in a garage. They have bills to pay and staff to manage. And all of it has to be paid for.

But at the same time, realize the more experience you have playing more games gives you more of an unbiased look at gaming in general. It's no longer about the franchise itself, it's about what is best for GAMERS to play.

It's not as personal.

That is a problem I see so much between games especially with fanbois so invested in one franchise. They see only one thing, and refuse to see anything that makes them feel uncomfortable about the game. It's their fantasy. But that fantasy isn't healthy for the game itself if it's so narrowly viewed/defined.

Folks can't troubleshoot well when they're too close to the subject. They need some distance to pull back, see the entire painting, and see how others view the same painting. That's how to get a balance view and give a balanced critique.

Have you played WoW of late? I went in this morning doing the usual mob kill. Hitting me for a less than 7k (I'm a healer 7k is half a heal even). Had a load on me because I can tank it. Next thing I know...dead. Full health, then 0. Checked the combat log because it's a WTF moment as this is just a mob, not a raid boss.

One NPC, 367k hit, not even a critical.

When folks describe games like "it's EZ Mode" and you see otherwise (Blizzard ramped up damage to the extent ONE NPC can global you, it's no longer a walk in the park) can you see a problem?

Is your loyalty to a franchise and/or belief so much to even deny that happened?

If so, how can you be equally unbiased about EvE?

See? It works both ways.

Now if you want the fantasy to be a fantasy just say it. But to claim something that isn't what it is now (from experience) is denying reality.

Years ago someone on a game forum replied to me that how could I view WoW fairly without even playing it. That sunk in, as it's true. I never played it and also looked at it wrongly (as I know now from experience).

Same with EvE. To know the game is to play it and learn it bottom up, I have to play the game to do so.

It's not I that needs to unsub because you have a fantasy, a belief, that defies reality. It's for you to gain the experience to know difference.

I did and do.

People who use apostrophes to pluralize words and people who say things like "would of".

I love multiplayer. Now imagine my proposals in the multiplayer environment.

Just because there are things I don't like which happen to involve other players doesn't mean that we have to get rid of the other players. My proposals enhance the multiplayer aspect. Are you worried about fighting players who are geared up to fight you back? Where's my violin? ... Let me play you a sad song. You do like challenge, don't you?

After nearly 4 years of playing I'm well aware that CCP allow you to exchange RL currency for PLEX and GTC, what you decide to do with the PLEX or GTC is up to you, it's not a direct exchange for Isk.

Over thirty years of gaming gives me plenty of experience thank you very much

The moment that you accept that Eve is a niche game, and that PvE is a secondary activity that is only there to fuel the PvP, is the moment that Eve becomes a fantastic experiment in human nature. It's not any other game, it's filling a niche, and it's doing it very successfully. As such it's not for everybody, which is the very definition of niche.

GÇ£We want people to be able to get to the good parts of our game without having to fight through some of the complexity which is there to be honest either because it just grew up organically over time or because somebody in the early days had quite a sadistic tendency to put people through hell.GÇ¥

I love multiplayer. Now imagine my proposals in the multiplayer environment.

Just because there are things I don't like which happen to involve other players doesn't mean that we have to get rid of the other players. My proposals enhance the multiplayer aspect. Are you worried about fighting players who are geared up to fight you back? Where's my violin? ... Let me play you a sad song. You do like challenge, don't you?

If your target does not have warp disruptors, field logistics, and all the other elements that present a serious player threat against you, then entering a pve arena against a single pve ship just makes you and your friends a few more uninvited rats on the scene. You like blobing against a single pve ship? If so, then you are a carebear. Period.


Added: I am simply proposing that some of the mechanics which make it so easy for people to be "pvp carebears" be changed so that the scales are not so harshly tipped toward the risk-adverse "pvper." Also, to put this thread BACK into the Features and Feedback area for due discussion and consideration in the improvement of Eve Online. It is a shame that so many "pvp" players such as the one below are so-simple-minded that they don't see the difference between attacking a pvp group and attacking a solo pve ship.

Admit it, your so crap at pvp and scared of losing your ship in LS and NULL you just have to go begging to CCP to give you more and more easier targets. Like the rest of the PVP crowd, your bone idle and prefer to take, rather than earn honestly.

@Ace Uoweme

I have no problem with CCP trying to attract a larger audience, what I do have a problem with is losing what Eve already has in the way of an open PvP environment to do so

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

1. What to do between level 3 and level 4 missions -- as now the training isn't 1 day it's nearly 2 weeks per skill level. At the stage where you can't get into the next level ship as the skills lag behind to effectively fly and fight in it. You need the next level ship to do the level 4 missions or just roll over and die, die, die.

2. The mission system -- I had my qualms about WoW quests, but EvE's mission dialogue is horrible. H-o-r-r-i-b-l-e. That's the secret why EvE players PvP, too!

3. Right clicking -- I like right clicking but EvE takes it to new limits. Fleet Finder is the epitome of the w-o-r-s-t of it.

4. UI - When checking skills and certs; market/sales; fittings and having the hanger UI open...1920x1080 of the screen is totally filled up. I don't see my ship when docked, I see boxes...many, many, m-a-n-y boxes. Short, small, long, tall, wide...if it's a box it's open!

5. No actual flight ability - WASD doesn't exist in EvE, except to type.

6. Conditional PvP - Bombs are a legit weapon. If terrorists can blow up a RL capital, we should be able to blow up make believe Jita.

So much going for Eve Online, but quite a few really stupid and game breaking mechanics.
Top 7 things I hate about Eve Online:

1) Cyno's - many players gang up against single players. Instant movement of large super capital blobs across vast distances.
2) Stealth ships - the untouchable vehicle for cynos. Instant-locking-after-decloak stealth bombers.
3) Bumping - Many players gang up against single players. Doesn't even do damage.
4) HS Wars - Many players ganging up against single players.
5) Blind gates - Many players gang up against single players, who cannot see the other side of the gate.
6) POS POS's - What a pain. Single players cannot control these independent of the corp (many players).
7) Titans and Supers - DD ista-pop carrier. Motherships with insane ehp and damage compared to their carrier counterparts.

Eve Online is designed to the advantage of the largest aggressive blob by the very mechanics themselves. These 7 things make Eve Online awful, unless you can a) ALWAYS fly with the biggest blob or b) ALWAYS stay in HS and out of every war. CCP needs to immediately address the very overdue issues with more than just promises.

--------------- Eve Online: Protectors of Easy-Kill Mechanics ------------------
oh its an MMO, find a group, some say ..
[1] Find a large enough group that you can trust on your timezone to counter a cyno hotdrop of supers, and titans, and dreads from the surrounding region. This is Eve, so, yeah right. The response to cyno is major alliance bait op? Really. I am asking CCP to fix this so that a simple cyno doesn't require such extra-ordinary preparations.
[2] Stealth and cynos and insta-locks. I fly covert ops but this is definitely game-breaking. CCP, scrap the 0s target delay bonus already, and make regular cynos unfittable to ships with cloaks on them.
[3] Ship collisions should do damage. Projectiles do damage. Hybrid charges do damage. Bumping ships away from stations or stargates breaks the game. Single player moves a cruiser through HS, but can't burn back to stargate because a few frigates "bump" him. The frigates should be destroyed in the first "bump." Flies on the windshield, I say.
[4] An alliance in null sec should not have to keep a sizable detachment in HS to escort every alliance member around HS. HS Wars allow many HS based players to gang up on the few null sec members mulling around HS for various reasons.
[5] CCP: Invent the Gate scan probe: Equip every ship with an onboard gate scan probe system which sends a probe through a stargate to see the other side.
[6] The pos system is a laugh. Fix it already. There is no reason that any player should not be able to simply set down their own pos with minimal effort.
[7] DDs broke the game a long time ago, despite the fixes. Get rid of them already, CCP. Supers break the game because they can move so far, so easily, through enemy sov space no less and with impunity. Sov means nothing to supers, except to allow them to be built.

Admit it, your so crap at pvp and scared of losing your ship in LS and NULL you just have to go begging to CCP to give you more and more easier targets. Like the rest of the PVP crowd, your bone idle and prefer to take, rather than earn honestly.