(...nullsec/goons stuff...)

BURN JITA 2.0: APRIL 19-21ST 2013

There are few things that we of nullsec can agree upon, but one of them is, inevitably, '**** hisec'. We will now wash away the frustrations of March's cold war by covering ourselves in the blood and suffering of the people of hisec, the weekend before Fanfest begins - just in time to remind these people who the **** we are. As before, we will invite every null entity which wants to participate in our holy cause.

Last year there was a tremendous amount of publicity about Burn Jita, leading to a whole host of hisec movements and wardecs to counter our efforts. This year we will not be making public statements about the Burn or actively trying to advertise it. Yes, we are giving approximately 19 days of notice with this post, as well as coordinating across the CFC and the HBC if they want to participate, but the blind sleeping masses of hisec will not realize something is coming until it is too late. I am eager to see what happens to hisec if we show up without three months of wardrum-beating and hype, unannounced, and commence putting everything to the sword.

The first Burn taught us a lot. We know Jita has a population cap; we know there are only so many routes into the system which are traffic controlled. We know as well that goons in Jita enjoyed not only taking out freighters, but spreading the carnage by using thrashers to take out industrials of random passers-by. A Burn is fundamentally a terror operation; it is not so much about the isk value of each freighter destroyed as it is implanting fear into the hearts and minds of even the most humble industrialist in his Badger II. This year we will be not only ganking freighters and industrials within Jita, but Miniluv will patrol the lanes outside of Jita to destroy anyone trapped on the gates from traffic control. The number of humans involved means that it will still be a complete mess, but we expect our terror-sowing to be much more efficient than last year.

(...more nullsec/goons stuff...)

Well it's Love Jita all year around otherwise so why not?

If it means a break from uninterrupted local spam bots? Hell yes.

Guess this makes it no rumour any longer when The Mittani says it.

He could have just kept it quiet and reported every thread on the topic for rumour mongering...

So if it happens, it will in effect, be a 'burn Jita crowd' versus Concord.

Nice to see null-sec folk taking part in the pve they profess to despise so much.

Ummm...99% of what most people do in nullsec is PVE.

It's not for nothing we call them "nullbears".

Wrong.


Actually, only uninformed idiots/trolls use the term "nullbear".

this is perfect example of regular goonie posts. shows why they can be easily ignored most of a time

If you don't want facts, by all means go ahead and ignore me. Doesn't make you any more in the right.

you haven't provided any facts. Only stupid assumptions (like "idiot"). And unproven opinion "99% of what most people do in nullsec is PVE = wrong".

So what do i lose ignoring you on the first place? Nothing. As i said already.

Just ignore the simple fact that ~most~ CFC members have been told to grind up their sec status by said date...

Considering nullsec is basically empty outside of fleetfights, "99% of what people do in nullsec is PVE" is absolutely an incorrect statement.

And yes, I will call anyone who unironically believes that nullsec is all about PVE, an idiot.

you're literally responding to opinions on nullsec from a hiseccer who has not and never will leave concord's loving embrace

hope this helps!

2. "incorrect stamement" - I would like to see any other reasons outside of "basically empty outside of fleetfights" which needs another proof. Let's say goonswarm alliance has 7000 members (exact number doesn't matter here). Fleetfights rarely draws more than 500-1000 people for one side and take from few to several hours. How it is possible to fleetfights to be the main job of said alliance? I guess the same can be said about any big alliance.

number of characters in any alliance anywhere != number of players in said alliance

okay noted expert march rabbit can you show us what is clearly your plethora evidence that 99% of what most people do in nullsec is PvE

1. Ratting (let us know when the rats lose their AI status!).
2. Standings grinding (especially at NPC stations).
3. Any trading involved (read #1).
4. Mining and all associated industry (your ships that's built in those arrays isn't a PvP activity).

There's more but you get the drift. There's a lot of PvE activity that's done in the game even in -0.3 space, and you're going to be doing it.

The only way to be sure is to fill a freighter with capital ship BPOs and go to Jita on the 19th.

"99% of what people do in nullsec is PVE"
"99% of what most people do in nullsec is PVE"
1. Are not equal sentences.
2. "incorrect stamement" - I would like to see any other reasons outside of "basically empty outside of fleetfights" which needs another proof. Let's say goonswarm alliance has 7000 members (exact number doesn't matter here). Fleetfights rarely draws more than 500-1000 people for one side and take from few to several hours. How it is possible to fleetfights to be the main job of said alliance? I guess the same can be said about any big alliance.


again, "99% of what most people do in nullsec is PVE" != "nullsec is all about PVE".
So basically you changed initial statement, broke it's logic and then accuse author of being idiot.

So up to this moment you prove my point. Should we continue?

Source: http://themittani.com/news/gsf-ceo-update-forgot-about-dre

Bring it on, I say.

95% of all statistics are invented on the spot.
The other 5% came out of a rectal orifice.

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether I made that statistic up on the spot or pulled it out of my ass. I'll concede that it was one of the two.

The first "Burn Jita" was nearly a non-event. Oh, promises were made, we're going to blow up every hauler and freighter we see, it's going to be glorious, all hail the Goons, etc.

And then: A lot of people sitting around the undock with not much happening. It was very similar to every other day in Jita, quite honestly. I don't expect it to be any different this time around.

Please prove me wrong, however. I welcome a true burning this time.

We didnt blow up stuff on the station.

The first "Burn Jita" was nearly a non-event. Oh, promises were made, we're going to blow up every hauler and freighter we see, it's going to be glorious, all hail the Goons, etc.

And then: A lot of people sitting around the undock with not much happening. It was very similar to every other day in Jita, quite honestly. I don't expect it to be any different this time around.

Please prove me wrong, however. I welcome a true burning this time.

The first "Burn Jita" was nearly a non-event

Aside from CCP having to post a travel advisory on the login screen for something players were doing ingame, dozens of writeups in the gaming media and hundreds of players coming back/ trying EVE for the first time because they heard about the galactic trade hub being seiged.

How many people are active in all of nullsec, at any given time? How many of those do PVE? How many of those just sit logged in in stations? How many of those are out doing PVP?

(Hint: it's not 99% doing PVE.)

okay noted expert march rabbit can you show us what is clearly your plethora evidence that 99% of what most people do in nullsec is PvE

certainly you're not going to ask us to disprove this nonsensical statement because you're the one backing up the other guy's assertion!

Why don't they just burn all major trade hubs at the same time? That would be fun to watch

Why don't they just burn all major trade hubs at the same time? That would be fun to watch

Yeah, not covering all the bases tends to be an event just for the sake of ego.

Heh so cute, he actually thinks a majority (or 99%) of us rat/grind standings/mine/manufacture in nullsec.

again: will we see any real numbers? Or this is another "i'm right because i'm right"?

How many characters are in nullsec?

trying to move subject.
sorry but question is: why "99% is ..." is wrong.


and again: you won't move the subject
Because i don't know exact number. And no one knows. But Lord Zim said that he KNOWS and we discuss it.

Goons have a thing for hi-sec. Its like they have something to prove. "We will terrorize the pubbies" refrain is never ending.

No Burn Jita this year. Move along folks...

you're literally responding to opinions on nullsec from a hiseccer who has not and never will leave concord's loving embrace

When the money dries up they have to find new entertainment.

I hope it's from cannibalizing their own.

I wouldn't call it "loving embrace". if you love someone you wouldn't let anybody hurt them. and concord only respond AFTER you hurt someone. they never prevent it

Oh and burn jita cost us less than 200b lmao

To put that into perspective we lost probably three times that in Asakai

We're certainly looking forward to Burn Jita/Rens, wherever you fine folks choose to gang up for ganks. Sounds like funsies to us.

I think The Marmite Collective PVP Alliance will find that fighting an organized fleet is quite a bit different than camping an undock looking for war targets. I will refer you to the poor souls last year who thought the same, I cant even remember their name, I think they disbanded shortly afterwards.

Tell us more about how burn jita was a failure.

There's 3 pages of article so it may not be an April Fool's joke. Or maybe it is. Or maybe the joke is to pretend that it is a joke.

In other words, your definition of "failure" is terrible and wrong. Gotcha.

Ohh great - something immersive and emergent... again

Well, my definition of success, requires success, which burn Jita 1.0 did not have. Couple of goons running around, killed a few indys and otherwise hid from their WT's or else ran crying to the GM's as soon as they got caught.

Thats pretty much fail.

Total Destruction: 518.47 Billion Isk

By class?

Jump Freighters: 140.7 Billion, 14 kills. Average value: 10.05 Billion
Freighters: 258.445 Billion, 57 kills. Average value: 4.534 Billion
Tech 1 Industrials: 15.308 billion, 97 kills. Average value: 157.8m
Tech 2 Industrials: 12.399 billion, 25 kills. Average value: 495.9m
Exhumers: 8.84 billion, 26 kills. Average value: 340 million.

Well, my definition of success, requires success, which burn Jita 1.0 did not have. Couple of goons running around, killed a few indys and otherwise hid from their WT's or else ran crying to the GM's as soon as they got caught.

Thats pretty much fail.

In other words, your definition of "failure" is terrible and wrong. Gotcha.

yep that sounds like a couple of goons running around and "killing a few indys"

"'tis just a flesh wound!" - Ace Uoweme

Burn Jita II

A cost of a titan going down spread across every rich trader in the game.

Pennies, dear, pennies.

The traders will go back to flipping and scheming right after...and probably make a profit in the end.

The game has gotten to be like many F2P games: cash fat and players are bored as they conquered the territory, and have little else to show for it.

Wise players will just switch to alts to play and park their big ships anyway. So any damage or scare factor is moot. I see many here play Minecraft on the side, so while your blob is searching for targets, others will playing other games and building capital elsewhere, too.

You can't make folks miserable unless they want to be miserable. After 5 years, folks get tired of the same song and dance (not really innovative or emergent even...same plot; same actors; same show). It's like watching a replay of "The Days of our Lives" and this time maybe in color.

Are you trying to insinuate that you believe crimewatch 2.0 would actually act as a higher deterrence to a hypothetical burn jita if it was run today compared to the first burn jita?

You do realize that the reason crimewatch's mechanics work the way they do was to try to stop freighters etc from getting ganked because it would be economically less feasible due to 3rd party interference, and not to actually prevent burn jitas, right?

oh well it only trumps the accomplishments of basically any hisec corp

I read this and said, "Crimewatch Boogaloo."

I couldn't not say it.

Yes and I also realize that if a burn jita is run that crimewatch *SHOULD* help shut it down fairly effectively - with far more massive *ACTUAL* highsec PvP vs "shoot the unarmed ships!"

During the first one, E-Uni had to tell many members to stop trying to pop gankers. There were timing issues with going flashy vs actually being a valid target that got many concordonked for trying to nail them.

Many players fighting against it stopped due to these issues - which "your side" probably never even realized as why more didn't show up and stick around to fight You all just figured "bunch of cowards" and that wasn't the case for many of them.

This would mean those into combat would and could come up there and blow the snot out of those trying to gank all the time.

No, that's not what happened. What happened was that there were bugs which were fixed within a day or two.

This would mean those into combat would and could come up there and blow the snot out of those trying to gank all the time.

That's a bit different than lamoid gankers lulzing it around - they'll actually get shot at and hunted for doing it and seeing if highsec's independent types *WILL* show up to fight back? ....

You tell me - would that be worth seeing or not? Will they fight when they can based upon their chosen style of play or will they just whine about it?

Bounty changes drew a hell of a lot of interest. This could be a first major test of it and the type of test I think could resolve some old assumptions about "carebear highsec" in a more tangible fashion than just because some null types say so.

Optimist.

Eternally so.

I do believe things can get better and be proven to be other than they appear. But without trial, testing and proofs, statements boil down to allegorical anecdotes based upon faith and belief vs proven facts.

Ergo: Test it. Maybe it'll surprise you.

High-sec folks have other things that are important to do. See we have things we like doing, enjoy doing. Not be bored even after paying through the nose for imaginery pixels, and have to find something to justify their existence.

See, Goon, after awhile the script gets old. This is why gamers usually let the devs arrange content, not players. EvE is an example of taking PvP to it's extreme, as we know PvPers tend to bore easy and not really good at dreaming up new content (other than mouthbreathing at another red x).

Playing other games you see this over and over and over. PvP is the cheapest programming available, players just kill each other for "fun". But once the game is no longer new and the power settles into blocks, even the powers-that-be, are sitting there bored to death.

High-sec folks have other things that are important to do. See we have things we like doing, enjoy doing. Not be bored even after paying through the nose for imaginery pixels, and have to find something to justify their existence.

See, Goon, after awhile the script gets old. This is why gamers usually let the devs arrange content, not players. EvE is an example of taking PvP to it's extreme, as we know PvPers tend to bore easy and not really good at dreaming up new content (other than mouthbreathing at another red x).

Playing other games you see this over and over and over. PvP is the cheapest programming available, players just kill each other for "fun". But once the game is no longer new and the power settles into blocks, even the powers-that-be, are sitting there bored to death.

If High-sec didn't exist, Goon, you'll have absolutely nothing to do but cry for not only wasting 5 years of your life, all the RL money that was flushed down the toilet. It's why you do the High-sec stuff. You claim it's fun to grief. But in truth you have really little else to do or to show for it.

CCP doesn't care, as P. T. Barnum's said it best: "...a sucker is born everyday".

Stand tall, Goon. Take it like a man.

...man it's almost as if there are games more suited to your tastes, where the developers deliver all of the content on a platter

almost like you should play in an online recreational area of some sort that creates a certain atmosphere of sorts and has certain rides

an online theme park of sorts, perhaps

This was a really long way of saying "please stop shooting me, I'm running out of tears".

man it's almost as if there are games more suited to your tastes

This was a really long way of saying "please stop shooting me, I'm running out of tears".

Projective identification fail.

I'm not the one crying, here.

How old are you Andski? I feel like I'm talking to a 15 year-old, with the same level of reasoning skills.

How old are you Andski? I feel like I'm talking to a 15 year-old, with the same level of reasoning skills.

yep that sounds like a couple of goons running around and "killing a few indys"

Nope, you still don't get it. What you've described is a pittance to Jita; its nothing, nada, zip. The titanni wanted to world to wake up and see him in all his majesty, and Jita responded with complete utter apathy. It simply didn't care.

Sucks to be you.

'tis just a flesh wound!

With rock salt.

The one place the Goonies can't own or pwn, as it's residents simply, and truly, don't care.

lol post at me some more, try telling me why player-created content is a failure despite it working in 'eve online', a top 10 subscription-based MMO, for 10 years

If it means a break from uninterrupted local spam bots? Hell yes.

lol post at me some more, try telling me why player-created content is a failure despite it working in 'eve online', a top 10 subscription-based MMO, for 10 years

Sure I'll keep posting, as this is fun even.

I'll tell you quite simply...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwfNs1pqG0

And now you understand why you can't let the inmates run the asylum.

Terrorize the populace into a frenzy to demand the government for change.

To think there is no agenda, other than griefing is a bit narrow-sighted. While the average grunt is going to bring their jars and mops, soak in all the tears, use the ethernet substance to fuel their drive to continue onward.. the roots of the tree tends to dig a bit deeper than that alone.

Would it be griefing if Sansha, Angels, EOM, w/e.. start hitting stargates and stations? No. It would be classified as PvE content. The reason for them doing so is ultimately irrelevent. Goons and whomever else, an 'outside' external entity to the highsec Empires doing the same is some how.. different? No.. actually it isn't. It is content.. player introduced content. Is this any different than EVE Uni (before going Green) wanting to educate the masses? No.. it is player introduced content. Why should their view be the only view? Why shouldn't some people choose anarchy and attempt to destroy their establishment?

Why shouldn't null powers be aloud to atleast attempt to 'destroy', reshape, alter and adjust the highsec establishment? Highsec effects null more so than null effects high.. Fact. How is that fair?

Good Or Bad is a matter of opinion. You holy asshat wannabes that wish to proclaim your view is greater than.. because you do not condone these actions are hypocritical monsters. The only throne you're worth sitting in is that of Lord Tard.. self-rightous heir to the kingdom that believes all their problems is someone elses problem.. eating the forbidden fruit, never to ****. Can't stain perfection. Am I right?

But yet.. why should your materials, your isk value be greater than? A highsec Isk is more valuable when transfered to null regions.. Fact.

If none of this makes sense to you.. continue ranting about something you, yourself.. are completely incapable of fixing and handling. Why.. I suppose it is easier on the mind to cope with yelling at empty air, rather than taking time to warn others ingame about this Warning. Derp.. no guilt when you attempt stainless perfection towards a useless forum rant.. moral crisis averted. Atleast when you wake up the Monday after.. your precious goods may have increased in value. God forbid if a change occured that caused the highsec markets to plummet..

Carebear.. what a faulty term. Most carebears.. don't really care. It's only about them.. and what their singular existence can accomplish on a vast scale. How many truly do have corps mates to care about.. to entertain and watch grow.. huh.

I prefer the term.. Cuddlebears. If you hug yourself enough.. all your dreams might come true... and if not, cuddle together and blame your surroundings rather than yourselves.

Sure I'll keep posting, as this is fun even.

I'll tell you quite simply...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwfNs1pqG0

And now you understand why you can't let the inmates run the asylum.

That's not what they said while burn jita was ongoing.

First time, it's a shock.

Second time, they seen the show already.

guys guys i'm Very Angry about burn jita but let me tell you how much i don't care

I don't care

but i'm very angry about it, i just don't care

guys guys i'm Very Angry about burn jita but let me tell you how much i don't care

I don't care

but i'm very angry about it, i just don't care

A 3 day burn isn't even a blip in comparison.

A fun fantasy, but it's business as usual.

Yes, yes, we know you don't understand how things work, you don't have to continually prove it.

Actually do this, would be cool to see Jita dry up as a trade hub, would only take a few months of effort and Goons could do something real to effect the game.

That explains you posting so much about how much you don't care/won't notice, doesn't it?

~40 posts in the thread to drive that point home, that you really do not care about burn jita

well only enough to make 40 posts about it but yeah

That I got how many of you to keep me company in this boredom of leveling skills, is the amazing thing.

That's better than any fire in Jita.

while you may not care about the subject matter, you do care that you are right.

Source: http://themittani.com/news/gsf-ceo-update-forgot-about-dre



There's 3 pages of article so it may not be an April Fool's joke. Or maybe it is. Or maybe the joke is to pretend that it is a joke.

Source: http://themittani.com/news/gsf-ceo-update-forgot-about-dre



There's 3 pages of article so it may not be an April Fool's joke. Or maybe it is. Or maybe the joke is to pretend that it is a joke.

Don't give up the day job. Mate.

Unfortunately for the author of this trash, he does not have anything close to the level of influence required to make this happen. But good luck looking like a **** in front of everyone though!

You must be new here.

Sure is a lot of people spending a lot of time posting about how much they dont care.

Pretty much just like they did in the months prior to burn jita, only to be replaced with so many threads of tears while burn jita was ongoing.

It was quite glorious, actually.

Sure is a lot of people spending a lot of time posting about how much they dont care.

Not much else to talk about.

Smaller community = less forum topics (and seeded topics).

Not much else to talk about.

Smaller community = less forum topics (and seeded topics).

AND an EVE is dying post. You're a special snowfflake indeed.

Did you smoke something this morning? Seeing things now?

This forum does have fewer topics to discuss. I mean the threads are lasting over a week at a time.

To fill the time I'm posting on another game site, as it's that slow.

When did post counts = community size?

This site is a lot slower and does seem to have a lot less posters than it used too. Some of that is a good thing, as there is less spam, but also less opinions and topics.

We also have more subforums and a lot more external boards.

When did post counts = community size?

Who said post counts? Thread counts. Do you even understand how forums work?

Smaller sites have less content. If you played larger player games their forums lightup like Christmas trees and can have a thread every hour constantly (with 55+k views for the better ones). When you see top threads here with 2.7k, yeah, there's not that much traffic.

If you're used to posting with that much traffic, EvE's forums are s-l-o-w. I'm running back between YouTube and two other game sites and posting on them, and can, because I won't miss much.

Who said post counts? Thread counts. Do you even understand how forums work?

Smaller sites have less content. If you played larger player games their forums lightup like Christmas trees and can have a thread every hour constantly (with 55+k views for the better ones). When you see top threads here with 2.7k, yeah, there's not that much traffic.

If you're used to posting with that much traffic, EvE's forums are s-l-o-w. I'm running back between YouTube and two other game sites and posting on them, and can, because I won't miss much.

You just asked somebody in Bat Country if they know how forums work. I want you to sit there and figure out what you did wrong.

You just asked somebody in Bat Country if they know how forums work. I want you to sit there and figure out what you did wrong.

WoW forums see more traffic than EVE forums. Who'da thunk it.

Also did you just call out goons on posting matters? Are you sure you want to go down this path?.

"They" certainly appear to affect the quality of your posting.

And I want you to sit there and figure out why I know so much about forums...and its not just by posting on them or owning a license.

Your premise is wrong so I'll pass.

What the hell is a forums license. The hell?

Your premise is wrong so I'll pass.

What the hell is a forums license. The hell?

How is it wrong, when you don't even understand things like forum licenses?

I give you a clue: when you're at a stage when you buy software to use; admin a server; get into the programming and design; then marketing, you do understand these things. Been doing it since 2002.

How is it wrong, when you don't even understand things like forum licenses?

I give you a clue: when you're at a stage when you buy software to use; admin a server; get into the programming and design; then marketing, you do understand these things. Been doing it since 2002.

I'll hold your hand through this one. I promise, it won't hurt a bit.

In other words: I didn't know what I was saying, but trying to get out of Dodge with some face intact (extra points if using 10 other alts to help!).

0/10

Protip: Assumptions make asses out of people. So don't assume, as backtracking does hurt.

Just wondering wont the new crimewatch mechanics ,make every GOON who opens fire on a ship,a target for every non goon player in JITA .By giving them a crimmal tag?? So you dont have to worry about CONCORD destroying your ship,if you go after the goons.No need for wardecs if you want to counter it Lots of cheap frigs and dessies in Jita station,and the surrounding systems ,could be a fun 3 days ..As to the GOONS always thinking they own EVE ,LOL well if they learnt alot im sure the oppostion did aswell,and the new crimewatch mechanics certinally work to the anti burn forces advantage imo.

In other words: I didn't know what I was saying, but trying to get out of Dodge with some face intact (extra points if using 10 other alts to help!).

0/10

Protip: Assumptions make asses out of people. So don't assume, as backtracking does hurt.

Also, perfect use of the "Protip" quip. You doubly destroyed them.

Must be, when an alt comes in for a rescue!

Which sums up this entire thread: idea released. Good fantasy. But not practical, but carry it beyond it's usefulness and now try to troll it to thread lock, to bury the failure!

Must be, when an alt comes in for a rescue!

Which sums up this entire thread: idea released. Good fantasy. But not practical, but carry it beyond it's usefulness and now try to troll it to thread lock, to bury the failure!

Swing and a miss. Much like your posting so far.

Let me know when Jita actually burns and business stops, k?

The goal was to stop all business in Jita? Why didn't anyone tell me?