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Wander Prian
Frozen Dawn Inc
Arctic Light
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:13:00 -
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Let's make it simple:
CCP loves when we blow stuff up. The more stuff blowing up is better.
Fixing loot dropping from SMA's would make more corps go for the pos-bash, especially in wormhole's.
So fixing SMA's loot drops is gonna directly increase the amount of stuff blowing up
Fixing SMA's is good for eve. More pvp, more explosions.
Fix this please? It's gonna make at least some of the abandoned towers disappear |
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
132
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:48:00 -
[92] - Quote
I'd like to thank you all for the understanding you've demonstrated on this important but complicated issue.
Hint hint.
CSM 8 Representative
http://csm8.org |
Craggus
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
99
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:57:00 -
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Tldr: CCP hates wormholes and we should probably just love back to k-space. Would that make your jobs a little easier? |
Istyn
Freight Club
Whores in space
211
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:58:00 -
[94] - Quote
Ellahan Vhektor wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Couple things to make clear:
Firstly: The change that caused this was an exploit prevention change, which we generally never go into details about in patch notes. It wasn't a casual change made on a whim. It was a significant "We have the choice of this problem or that problem, and need to decide the lesser of two evils" kind of change. We definitely should have found a way to express the other effects of the change in the patch notes though, that was a mistake on our part.
Secondly: Me not promising anything on an issue is not the same as me saying that it's not a priority or that we're not working on it. I'll only promise things when they are essentially done, because in game development it's really hard to predict anything with certainty. nononono sry fozzie but we dont give a **** you need to fix this now come up with a solution this is a joke
Dude, seriously?
I've probably lost around 20-30bil or more of loot to this bug, doesn't mean you get to act like a petulant child. Getting information about issues can be hard enough without people driving devs out of threads.
Being rude to people doesn't encourage them to help you. |
Ilaister
Task Force Proteus
5
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Posted - 2013.06.28 07:52:00 -
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Finally this is on the radar. GJ WH CSMers.
Confirming this is an important conflict driver in W-space. We have no Ice (intended as 'oil in space', no?) and e-honour/forcing fights remains the only reason to force your poor corpies into a structure bash in Anoikis.
We scoped a mark, left an alt in their hole for weeks gathering intel and gathered allies to ensure we had the numbers to take the POS and the shinies inside.
...Then we learned of the SMA feature... "Let'scallthewholethingoff".
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Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
77
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:12:00 -
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Istyn wrote:Ellahan Vhektor wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Couple things to make clear:
Firstly: The change that caused this was an exploit prevention change, which we generally never go into details about in patch notes. It wasn't a casual change made on a whim. It was a significant "We have the choice of this problem or that problem, and need to decide the lesser of two evils" kind of change. We definitely should have found a way to express the other effects of the change in the patch notes though, that was a mistake on our part.
Secondly: Me not promising anything on an issue is not the same as me saying that it's not a priority or that we're not working on it. I'll only promise things when they are essentially done, because in game development it's really hard to predict anything with certainty. nononono sry fozzie but we dont give a **** you need to fix this now come up with a solution this is a joke Dude, seriously? I've probably lost around 20-30bil or more of loot to this bug, doesn't mean you get to act like a petulant child. Getting information about issues can be hard enough without people driving devs out of threads. Being rude to people doesn't encourage them to help you.
On the other hand, it does encourage them to casually troll those people. Which is hilarious. |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
Aeterna Anima
97
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Posted - 2013.06.28 10:02:00 -
[97] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Firstly: The change that caused this was an exploit prevention change, which we generally never go into details about in patch notes.
Since the exploit seems to be fixed for now, would you mind going into a little bit more detail?
I'm having a hard time coming up with an exploit that could abuse the fact that very specific object movement operations (salvage/destruction of SMA) are allowed to ignore container max volume. |
Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
35
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Posted - 2013.06.28 11:04:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Firstly: The change that caused this was an exploit prevention change, which we generally never go into details about in patch notes.
Since the exploit seems to be fixed for now, would you mind going into a little bit more detail? I'm having a hard time coming up with an exploit that could abuse the fact that very specific object movement operations (salvage/destruction of SMA) are allowed to ignore container max volume.
my guess is a mass explosion of ships from a popped SMA or something
to many ships spawning at once = BOOM goes the client/node?
makes me want to fill an SMA with just frigates and launch them all at the same time.... |
Chitsa Jason
Infinity Explorers
Exhale.
583
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Posted - 2013.06.28 11:12:00 -
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This is super important issue for wormhole space people especially for those who PVP. I am glad CCP Fozzie is responding to it.
CSM8 Member
Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason
Skype: Casparas
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
3855
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:16:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:Finally this is on the radar. GJ WH CSMers.
Confirming this is an important conflict driver in W-space. We have no Ice (intended as 'oil in space', no?) and e-honour/forcing fights remains the only reason to force your poor corpies into a structure bash in Anoikis.
We scoped a mark, left an alt in their hole for weeks gathering intel and gathered allies to ensure we had the numbers to take the POS and the shinies inside.
...Then we learned of the SMA feature... "Let'scallthewholethingoff".
To be fair, when this issue was first posted (I think in a different thread), I brought it up with CCP. I was told that it was exploit related, and that they were aware it wasn't a good long term fix. I expected it to be fixed in Odyssey at the latest though, not to continue to fester for this long.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
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Istyn
Freight Club
Whores in space
215
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:41:00 -
[101] - Quote
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Firstly: The change that caused this was an exploit prevention change, which we generally never go into details about in patch notes.
Since the exploit seems to be fixed for now, would you mind going into a little bit more detail? I'm having a hard time coming up with an exploit that could abuse the fact that very specific object movement operations (salvage/destruction of SMA) are allowed to ignore container max volume.
I am guessing Suddenly Ninjas' old wreck-baiting with an unsalvagable wreck trick was deemed an exploit. Not sure if that's
actually the case, of course, just the only thing I can think of.
Timeline about fits, and when they were stealth nerfed plastic wraps were destroyed upon salvaging. No idea why that would affect SMAs now I think of it, but that's my best guess.  |
Valentine Wiggin Wiggin
Bringing Winter Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:29:00 -
[102] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Ellahan Vhektor wrote:
nononono sry fozzie but we dont give a **** you need to fix this now come up with a solution this is a joke
Apology accepted.
You are literally the most unprofessional member of the CCP staff I have ever seen. How is it you can get away with acting like you are just another member of the community while representing their business? Disgusting. |
Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:33:00 -
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All tears/hate aside.
This "unintended Enhancement" has effectively removed a pvp content driver from the game.
I loved Odyssey because it brought more content to an existing system. It created a desire to participate in that content for both new and old players.
A POS bash is horrible content, but necessary for multiple reasons. As a player I can pick and choose the content that I participate in, based on my action and reward paradigm. This the magic of EVE as a game.
Risk/time and effort should have a quantifiable gain attached to it. This issue, has reduced that gain and not left us with any new rewards. This will have the effect of removing content.
If CCP's goal is to limit my content choices based on inaction or simply bad 'risk assessment' coding changes, it gives me fear for the future.
This needs to be changed back and fixed in a different way. Simply letting it stay as is, because of lack of focus on the magic that is EVE is not a good business choice.
Odyssey was a step forward, but this not being fixed ASAP is a huge step back.
Co-host of Down the Pipe Podcast
Read more of my ramblings on my blog Invading Your Hole
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Kel hound
Lycosa Syndicate
Surely You're Joking
45
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:01:00 -
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krickettt wrote:Why not have wrecks for SMAs instead of cans?
This. You already have wreckage models for most PoS modules. I know because when I ran L4's like the carebear I was (who am I kidding, still am) they were one of the more frequent large collidables used in mission deadspace rooms.
You guys did so much good for PoS users and owners in Odyssey I honestly just assumed this problem was fixed. Please don't start back-sliding now. |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
Whores in space
208
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:03:00 -
[105] - Quote
Two step wrote:
To be fair, when this issue was first posted (I think in a different thread), I brought it up with CCP. I was told that it was exploit related, and that they were aware it wasn't a good long term fix. I expected it to be fixed in Odyssey at the latest though, not to continue to fester for this long.
In software development we have a saying - "There's nothing as permanent as a temporary fix."
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Poloturion
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
29
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:24:00 -
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Valentine Wiggin Wiggin wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Ellahan Vhektor wrote:
nononono sry fozzie but we dont give a **** you need to fix this now come up with a solution this is a joke
Apology accepted. You are literally the most unprofessional member of the CCP staff I have ever seen. How is it you can get away with acting like you are just another member of the community while representing their business? Disgusting.
Wow you must be new here, welcome to eve. 
Also, please fix POS. |
Kmelx
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:40:00 -
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James Arget wrote:I'd like to thank you all for the understanding and patience you've demonstrated on this important but complicated issue.
Hint hint.
Don't know about the rest of the folks in here, but I'm not that subtle, so hints don't work, nor am I in anyway understanding or patient.
A known game breaking mechanic, which stifles conflict in 2000 w-space systems should be top priority for a fix, it should not still be rumbling on six or seven months after it was brought to the attention of the devs, in the meantime they tinker with T1 industrials and screw about with noses, about which zero f**ks are given.
When we initially petitioned this we were told amongst other gems, like "working as intended", that CCP had limited resources and they basically had other better things to do with them. The only inference I can draw from that is "f**k w-space", but lets face it that has been CCP's default position since they released wormholes.
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MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
115
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:04:00 -
[108] - Quote
CCP confirmed they don't bother about wormholes and wormholers' reasons for operations. |
Kage Roo
0
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:08:00 -
[109] - Quote
In the Reddit thread it was mentioned that it has been like this since februari 2nd...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1h1ft1/not_many_people_know_about_this_so_i_want_to/
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
35
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:18:00 -
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................no comment...........yet............ |
Istyn
Freight Club
Whores in space
215
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:24:00 -
[111] - Quote
It's been at least affecting wrecks with 27,500+ m3 items since December 2012/January this year. Plastic wraps started having strange behaviour in wrecks around the time Suddenly Ninjas last went on a heavy wreck baiting binge and were stealth nerfed, maybe mid 2012? |
Cab Tastic
Jazz Associates
Azgoths of Kria
14
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:53:00 -
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What a peculiar thing. This is the sort of thing you would expect to be fixed in a matter of days as it almost a game breaker for pos bashing in wh's.
Come on CCP pull your finger out! I am sure you could fix this quickly if the will was there to do it.
and it should be.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
335
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:12:00 -
[113] - Quote
Thread temporarily locked to do some cleaning. brb.
ISD Ezwal
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Kage Roo
0
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:29:00 -
[114] - Quote
Istyn wrote:It's been at least affecting wrecks with 27,500+ m3 items since December 2012/January this year. Plastic wraps started having strange behaviour in wrecks around the time Suddenly Ninjas last went on a heavy wreck baiting binge and were stealth nerfed, maybe mid 2012?
damn.... i though since februari was a long time...
starting to feel this is geting more and more unacceptable. |
Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures
Un.Bound
41
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:12:00 -
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James Arget wrote:I'd like to thank you all for the understanding and patience you've demonstrated on this important but complicated issue.
Hint hint.
A problemt that goes unannounced and unfixed for 8 months doesn't tend to engender much of either. CCP should know by now how much the players hate information blackouts, and how much worse it can make the company look because we're only left with one side of the story. The E-Uni donation fiasco was a case in point. Even though CCP was in the right, by rigidly holding to their non disclosure policy until the whole thing exploded, they left an issue that could have easily been nipped in the bud fester into a pitchfork mob.
If CCP had been upfront about the issue and the difficulty of fixing it, many of us would have been willing to show patience and understanding. Instead they gave the impression, true or not, that they were trying to sweep it under the rug because they didn't care. Now the unreasonably impatient types are still whining anyway, and the rest of us are also angry. PR fail. |
AutumnWind1983
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
64
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:24:00 -
[116] - Quote
An issue like this is worth putting effort into for an expansion. Not a terrible jump animation or a new scanner.
James Arget for CSM 8! http://csm.fcftw.org |
Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
20
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Posted - 2013.06.29 05:34:00 -
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AutumnWind1983 wrote:An issue like this is worth putting effort into for an expansion. Not a terrible jump animation or a new scanner.
I agree that this is a severe issue and should have been fixed well before now... not just getting lip service, but the two things you mentioned deserved the work involved.
The jump animation is just that... animation, art assets, etc. The faster node transitions these animations accompany are certainly welcome.
The new scanner has had a marked affect on several aspects of the game from mining and exploration to PvP. As a member of SSC I'd assume that you would appreciate the ease of dropping on w-space miners not to mention the occasional moron clearing ladars in a carrier. 
Also, the new scanner and hacking/analyzing mechanics also improve the prospects that they can be used for additional types of exploration in the future.
CCP... thanks for finally publicly acknowledging that you're aware of this, but the delay is borderline insulting, particularly to the w-space community. Better to start talking about WIS again than take away our pew.  We miss our unicorns! |
Valentine Wiggin Wiggin
Bringing Winter Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:43:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those that quoted them. Please people, keep the discussion on topic and above all civil! The rules:2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
As both Fozzie's post and mine were removed, I think its fair to assume this was not just aimed at the playerbase? |
Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
131
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:53:00 -
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In before a fourth "explanation" is given about the SMA issue.
Just please resolve this. It's breaking certain areas of the game.
The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Ellahan Vhektor
DIVERGENT PROXY
10
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Posted - 2013.06.29 08:23:00 -
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got trolled by ccp fozzie..... doesn't matter had sex lol apology accepted ccp fozzie ;) sry for my not so nice post it just seemed like you were brushing this off as a non issue i still hope you guys can come up with a way to fix this as its pretty sad that pilots are being denied their spoils of war i still don't understand why you can't just poop this stuff out in a super can of some sort that only allows you to take and not deposit like a wreck also while you're at it can you make so you're unable to self destruct ships in a pos
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