I am for serious.

Internet space ships are for serious

why don't we go burn null sector 4040fploppolo-303-hurp-derp since dey burned Jita last year

As soon as I can get this Megapulse Laser fit on my Skiff, I'm all for a mining excursion into null-sec.

When you say "lets go get those guys" to null sec folks, you get hulkageddon, ice interdictions, suicide gank fleets, people making alt corps to attack RvB (Yea, i was in Yellow Fed lol) etc etc etc.

Say the same thing to the much more numerous High Sec community, and you get....crickets. It would seem the their is an inverse relationship between the sec status where people lives verses the relative amount of "ballsack" possessed, as one increases, the other seems to increase.

I suggest more scientific study into it, as well a sthe assignment of a cool latin sounding name such as "HighSecus Lackus Testicleus" or something.

please, please do this

consider EC-P8R, it's directly connected to hisec!

The mindset and play styles don't match and trying to convince a large group of "do my own thing" types to form up into a cohesive fleet isn't gonna end well even if you could coordinate such an effort.

Real answer? Ok...

Nullsec has a bunch of PvP types that operate in gangs all the time.

Highsec has mostly individual/interdependent types who do their own thing their own way.

Now - let's say you were an FC and had 20k pilots willing to join up, the vast majority of which are going to go "what?" when you call for "offensive gate camp" or "defensive gate camp" or "jump on contact" as you warp through systems.

Just picture the "why are we waiting here?" questions as a scout is checking out a potential trap area or the like.

The mindset and play styles don't match and trying to convince a large group of "do my own thing" types to form up into a cohesive fleet isn't gonna end well even if you could coordinate such an effort.

The troll is strong with this one. :)

10/10 for making me laugh.

A southern troll.

I'v been thinkin, since all of dem fancy ol' nullseccers are complaining how high-sec should be removed, nerfed, and some other junk I don't really care about, why don't we go burn null sector 4040fploppolo-303-hurp-derp since dey burned Jita last year. It'll only be fair since dey shot dat big monument thingy and kill some people in protest and stuff last year. We should strike back and shoot some of der asteriods with our mining barges and teach those darn null sec people a lesson.

Great! Those hardkore pvpers will crin-- die when they see our fleet of, orcas, retrievers, hulks, every other mining ship in the game, with drones!


They won't expect that instead of them ganking a retriever, they are gonna get ganked by the retriever! They'll be so confu-- startled they will forget to shoot their guns!

please, please do this

consider EC-P8R, it's directly connected to hisec!

The troll is strong with this one. :)

10/10 for making me laugh.

HED-GP is also at home to visitors.

please, please do this

consider HED-GP, it's directly connected to hisec!

Even Orcs would make a more compelling argument.

I'v been thinkin, since all of dem fancy ol' nullseccers are complaining how high-sec should be removed, nerfed, and some other junk I don't really care about, why don't we go burn null sector 4040fploppolo-303-hurp-derp since dey burned Jita last year. It'll only be fair since dey shot dat big monument thingy and kill some people in protest and stuff last year. We should strike back and shoot some of der asteriods with our mining barges and teach those darn null sec people a lesson.

I am for serious.

The mindset and play styles don't match and trying to convince a large group of "do my own thing" types to form up into a cohesive fleet isn't gonna end well even if you could coordinate such an effort.

Have you ever tried to FC a group of mission runners and WH explorers? They never broadcast reps and instead yell on teamspeak for reps and whine when they get popped. Case in point in FW we had 8 logi's in a fleet on 80. We should by all means be swamped by broadcasts. Instead 3/4th of the time one of my shield transporters sat there unactivated because no one broadcasted, until a lone merlin down to hull wanted some love and he get 8 transporters full of it. Oh then a drake popped and cried in fleet chat because we didn't rep him. Now imagine that but 200 times worse. Go for it, I would love to see.

Instead 3/4th of the time one of my shield transporters sat there unactivated because no one broadcasted

Well this is a novell way to kill carebears...

When you say "lets go get those guys" to null sec folks, you get hulkageddon, ice interdictions, suicide gank fleets, people making alt corps to attack RvB (Yea, i was in Yellow Fed lol) etc etc etc.

Say the same thing to the much more numerous High Sec community, and you get....crickets. It would seem the their is an inverse relationship between the sec status where people lives verses the relative amount of "ballsack" possessed, as one increases, the other seems to increase.

I suggest more scientific study into it, as well a sthe assignment of a cool latin sounding name such as "HighSecus Lackus Testicleus" or something.

Mining ships are like healers. They're really good for their role, but put them into a tank/DPS role they would die.

It's very clear what mining ships can and can't do, and CCP made sure those ships couldn't have dual roles.

I guess that's why a properly setup mining barge tanks almost like a BS.

I guess that's why a properly setup mining barge tanks almost like a BS.

And like a healer, can't DPS.

Do you know the outcome?

Podded.

And what this Goon isn't saying: those EHP numbers doesn't come from gear, it's skills.

Pretty sure the goal there was to make it so an improperly set up barge can tank like a battlecruiser so that miners don't have to do anything to avoid being killed.

Bullshit from start to finish

Yep, Goons in a nutshell!

"I got pistolwhipped so I'm going to selectively quote and pretend I win"

Even Orcs would make a more compelling argument.

That has some truth. Unless they're used to raiding, which is what Fleet mechanics essentially are.

Any miner of that mindset can figure out the command structure; roles; mechanics and how to move/fight in fleet pretty quickly.

But going in as a miner only fleet it's going to end up as a total disaster even if they can max tank and equip weapons and ECM or fighter bombers. Just like trying to form a PvP fleet without the necessary support.

get your coat, leave, and never come back.

get your coat, leave, and never come back.

Actually I think I'd like "raiding" in the game. it's kind of there but not done often due to how a lot of mechanics works - we just tend to call such activities by a different names "going on a roam" style comments.

Bounce through a gate camp with 20 ships - do this for a few days and check the forums for the "blob" whine threads from the hung-over gate campers that were used to just sitting there drunk while fluffing their KB.

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing "raiding" actually work better in the game - a lot better than it does.

Better to have small, medium, large, X-large and world "boss" roams.

Small is like a dungeon size. Medium is like a 10man raid. Large is like a 25man raid. X-Large like a 40man. World boss is like seen in RIFT with the dynamic bosses.

5 years sitting on a throne is a tad long. Time for some Ex-Lax.

Other ways I'd like to see it working are more like empowering Bops. Bounce in ... lets say a mix of 30 bombers plus 30 Recons & T3's into a target system, stomp the hell out of POS's, SOV units, straggling ratters/miners and such - and get out quickly but where trashing that stuff actually yields some fairly valuable drops for the raiders.

I don't think you realize how much EHP this stuff has.

I don't think you realize how much EHP this stuff has.

"Make EVE World of Warcraft ... in spaaaaaaaace" - Ace Uoweme

I'v been thinkin, since all of dem fancy ol' nullseccers are complaining how high-sec should be removed, nerfed, and some other junk I don't really care about, why don't we go burn null sector 4040fploppolo-303-hurp-derp since dey burned Jita last year. It'll only be fair since dey shot dat big monument thingy and kill some people in protest and stuff last year. We should strike back and shoot some of der asteriods with our mining barges and teach those darn null sec people a lesson.

I am for serious.

please, please do this

consider EC-P8R, it's directly connected to hisec!

As far as I know, the only reason anyone in nullsec can be construed as "want to see hs nerfed to death" is when the definition of "to death" actually means "tweaked slightly", because any nerf to anything that might concern them is a huge disaster which will kill the game.

As far as I know, the only reason anyone in nullsec can be construed as "want to see hs nerfed to death" is when the definition of "to death" actually means "tweaked slightly", because any nerf to anything that might concern them is a huge disaster which will kill the game.

A southern troll.

What you want to do is sneak into their upgraded systems, kill all but 1 rat (a frigate or something) in every belt, strip mine the belts, clear all their anomalies and signatures, and then just leave.

DON'T FEEED THE TROLLLS

Come to VFK.

you guys probably took this to seriously.

If they take the time to figure out PvP and get organized they will destroy the null sec blocs.

Highsec has vast wealth and skill. The guys who log on to do missions have toons that PvPers dream about; max tank, guns, nav, and drones. If they take the time to figure out PvP and get organized they will destroy the null sec blocs.

Highsec has vast wealth and skill. The guys who log on to do missions have toons that PvPers dream about; max tank, guns, nav, and drones. If they take the time to figure out PvP and get organized they will destroy the null sec blocs.

Highsec has vast wealth and skill. The guys who log on to do missions have toons that PvPers dream about; max tank, guns, nav, and drones.

Is the loss of 50 or 100 ships really that much of a worry?

hell, over tanked procurers will teach you a lot about camps and pvp.

so once somebody manages to get a bunch of mission runners together and convince them to play with other players, accept the inherent risks of pvp, listen to an FC and fly certain ships then they might pose enough of a threat to a small tower somewhere

ahahaha no they won't

basically any current bloc would outnumber them anyway with people whose characters have "max tank, guns, nav and drones" and we'd have a decisive advantage in capitals and supercapitals to begin with

I mean I'm sure the eve equivalent of a peasant revolt is an existential threat to the providence bloc but it isn't to the rest of us because the lords have always had better training, better equipment and better experience than the peasants

Then why is there so much talk from the big null blocks about NPC corps and high sec industry and yet no action? Highsec has towers all through it and none of them are owned by NPC corps. Highsec industry slots are as available to you as they are to a highsec bear.

The truth is that you are out numbered and out gunned and impotent to do anything about it.

Then why is there so much talk from the big null blocks about NPC corps and high sec industry and yet no action? Highsec has towers all through it and none of them are owned by NPC corps. Highsec industry slots are as available to you as they are to a highsec bear.