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 Fitz Chivalry    |
Posted - 2005.09.09 11:46:00 -
[31] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 09/09/2005 11:46:53 I know that I have no personal ill will towards the NBSI guys, it was fun in the [5] war seeing who would have the highest negative (highest negative, does that make sense? anyway) pvp score between myself and Liet Trap  Since having Joram in our ranks I have come to understand a bit better how NBSI feel, but my own experience of being in ASCN has been a positive one and I feel like they are, generally speaking, an honourable bunch and do try to do the right thing. I was not in Xetic for that long before it folded but I do remember being really impressed by MAZA and their dedication in the Xetic war (I didnt really know much about Black Lance or E-R (other than the infamous gang member shooting incident )). I am sure many people in both camps wish that things between the two groups had gone differently post-Xetic collapse but i do remember from that time was that is was pretty chaotic and things moved very very quickly and I am not sure that there was tons of planning involved (I appreciate I may be being a bit naive here but I would prefer to thing the best of people until its proven otherwise (with the exception of ATUK of whom I find its always safest to assume the worst  ).I would hope in the future that there can be a bit more friendship going forward - there are lots of people who like to RP the bad guys in this game that everyone could be happy to shoot, without us going after each other. Anyway, I lok forward to this thread starting off in a positive manner and degenerating into another flame fest around the middle of page 2. |
 Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. |
Posted - 2005.09.09 11:46:00 -
[32] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 09/09/2005 11:46:53 I know that I have no personal ill will towards the NBSI guys, it was fun in the [5] war seeing who would have the highest negative (highest negative, does that make sense? anyway) pvp score between myself and Liet Trap Since having Joram in our ranks I have come to understand a bit better how NBSI feel, but my own experience of being in ASCN has been a positive one and I feel like they are, generally speaking, an honourable bunch and do try to do the right thing. I was not in Xetic for that long before it folded but I do remember being really impressed by MAZA and their dedication in the Xetic war (I didnt really know much about Black Lance or E-R (other than the infamous gang member shooting incident )). I am sure many people in both camps wish that things between the two groups had gone differently post-Xetic collapse but i do remember from that time was that is was pretty chaotic and things moved very very quickly and I am not sure that there was tons of planning involved (I appreciate I may be being a bit naive here but I would prefer to thing the best of people until its proven otherwise (with the exception of ATUK of whom I find its always safest to assume the worst ).I would hope in the future that there can be a bit more friendship going forward - there are lots of people who like to RP the bad guys in this game that everyone could be happy to shoot, without us going after each other. Anyway, I lok forward to this thread starting off in a positive manner and degenerating into another flame fest around the middle of page 2. |
 MyFire |
Posted - 2005.09.09 12:16:00 -
[33] The only think that bothered me (and my corp tbh) in our souther times, was that we ware not of anything at all, allthough it was planed. MAZA, PH, E-R, TMPL hold immensea for a long time, with a heavy cost, but noone thought of us. I remember the days that in alliance channel we were blaming the carebears, but when northen XF asked for help, the answer was... "cannot m8's... come to south... we r fighting MASS". So what ? We were fighting [5]+Red's. Much greater threat ! And we couldn't find out the "why's" in a decision that would turn our backs like this. The way I see it 3 of the biggest corps in XF decided that it was time for XF to disband. And we didn't like that noone asked us anything. We were just "informed". Soo us a conclusion, in a hypothetical senario that NBSI + ASCN were together in one space, creating a new alliance or just being allies, who was to insure us that in the future ASCN wouldn't "decide" again that it was time "we left" ??? This could happen to anyone ofc, but 2ice by the same guys... too much even to think about it. |
 MyFire Gallente Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2005.09.09 12:16:00 -
[34] Edited by: MyFire on 09/09/2005 12:27:57 The only think that bothered me (and my corp tbh) in our souther times, was that we were not informed of anything at all, allthough it was planed. MAZA, PH, E-R, TMPL hold immensea for a long time, with a heavy cost, but noone thought of us. I remember the days that in alliance channel we were blaming the carebears, but when northen XF asked for help, the answer was... "cannot m8's... come to south... we r fighting MASS". So what ? We were fighting [5]+Red's. Much greater threat ! And we couldn't find out the "why's" in a decision that would turn our backs like this. The way I see it 3 of the biggest corps in XF decided that it was time for XF to disband. And we didn't like that noone asked us anything. We were just "informed". Soo us a conclusion, in a hypothetical senario that NBSI + ASCN were together in one space, creating a new alliance or just being allies, who was to insure us that in the future ASCN wouldn't "decide" again that it was time "we left" ??? This could happen to anyone ofc, but 2ice by the same guys... too much even to think about it. |
 Rillian |
Posted - 2005.09.09 12:24:00 -
[35] Well whats got my dander up is that I and some corpmates have a crapload of stuff in immensea that I can not retrive or place up on escrow cause the ships have mods on them. I know should have removed my crap from immensea but I thought we could hold , then all hell broke loose and things cascaded into a cataclysmic collapse of xetic. Have even asked politly of (5) and ASCN but we basically got told to get stuffed.  So I hold grudges  by the way Nice post Joram  |
 Rillian Black Lance NBSI Alliance |
Posted - 2005.09.09 12:24:00 -
[36] Well whats got my dander up is that I and some corpmates have a crapload of stuff in immensea that I can not retrive or place up on escrow cause the ships have mods on them. I know should have removed my crap from immensea but I thought we could hold , then all hell broke loose and things cascaded into a cataclysmic collapse of xetic. Have even asked politly of (5) and ASCN but we basically got told to get stuffed. So I hold grudges by the way Nice post Joram |
 Joram McRory |
Posted - 2005.09.09 12:32:00 -
[37] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 12:32:25 Rillian - yup I still have stuff in The Vale too  I think the new remote repackage function might help us both here & allow the kit to be put on escrow.Joram |
 Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny |
Posted - 2005.09.09 12:32:00 -
[38] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 12:32:25 Rillian - yup I still have stuff in The Vale too I think the new remote repackage function might help us both here & allow the kit to be put on escrow.Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site |
 Elenia Kheynes |
Posted - 2005.09.09 13:06:00 -
[39] Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 09/09/2005 13:06:12
you spoke my mind m8  There is one thing I don't understand tho... Do you really need a thread to realize it's just Roleplay if people call ASCN backstabbers, traitors or greatest alliance in the universe ? As for the "xetic was doom" comment, I'd like to point the CLS+DDC could the most democraticly in the universe kick most inactive corp out of xetic. This was true before the war, it was still true during it (both of them had majority of votes). Thing is, they wanted the war against [5], they got it, then realized it was too big for them. Since they couldn't be arsed to do a full cleaning during war time and also realized they were gonna loose the war anyway, they prefered to create their own alliance. There is only 1 lesson to remember from xetic: recruitement for 0.0 alliances must be extremly selective but once corporations are in, alliance should get rid of them if their activity is lowering. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ? |
 Elenia Kheynes Caldari Avatars of Doom Apocalyptica. |
Posted - 2005.09.09 13:06:00 -
[40] Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 09/09/2005 13:06:12
you spoke my mind m8 There is one thing I don't understand tho... Do you really need a thread to realize it's just Roleplay if people call ASCN backstabbers, traitors or greatest alliance in the universe ? As for the "xetic was doom" comment, I'd like to point the CLS+DDC could the most democraticly in the universe kick most inactive corp out of xetic. This was true before the war, it was still true during it (both of them had majority of votes). Thing is, they wanted the war against [5], they got it, then realized it was too big for them. Since they couldn't be arsed to do a full cleaning during war time and also realized they were gonna loose the war anyway, they prefered to create their own alliance. There is only 1 lesson to remember from xetic: recruitement for 0.0 alliances must be extremly selective but once corporations are in, alliance should get rid of them if their activity is lowering. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ? |
Cartiff |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:25:00 -
[41] VIRII come to NBSI peeps, olyyy, we miss you man Your great ladz. And in the theme of dungeon keeper... Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us We will teach you things Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW |
 Cartiff Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:25:00 -
[42] VIRII come to NBSI peeps, olyyy, we miss you man Your great ladz. And in the theme of dungeon keeper... Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us Come with us, join us We will teach you things oooh Shiny!!! "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys" |
 Joshua Calvert |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:39:00 -
[43] I have no clue what olyyy just tried to say. Ayeilla > Yes, Lineage 2 has the most unhelpful Gm's and tech support around |
 Joshua Calvert Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:39:00 -
[44] I have no clue what olyyy just tried to say. |
 Fitz Chivalry |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:46:00 -
[45]
I think it was: DDC and CLS are very autocratic corporations. Rather than get rid of the corps that were letting Xetic down and keep Xetic intact they thought it would be easier to simply form ASCN and pull out of Xetic. Alliances in general should be careful about recruiting corps into their ranks as there are many that will take a lot and give little in return. |
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:46:00 -
[46]
I think it was: DDC and CLS are very autocratic corporations. Rather than get rid of the corps that were letting Xetic down and keep Xetic intact they thought it would be easier to simply form ASCN and pull out of Xetic. Alliances in general should be careful about recruiting corps into their ranks as there are many that will take a lot and give little in return. |
Angelus X |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:49:00 -
[47] Nice post Joram Personally, I think there's nothing better than having atleast one "arch-enemy". You know if an NBSI fleet comes to the south, or ASCN space, you can garuntee we'll have around 50% extra people comming out ready to fight  As for the whole hatred issue. Some people hate more than others. Even though it's a game I don't see the harm in that hatred, as long as it stays in the game (which imo, the forums are just an extension off). |
 Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.09.09 14:49:00 -
[48] Nice post Joram Personally, I think there's nothing better than having atleast one "arch-enemy". You know if an NBSI fleet comes to the south, or ASCN space, you can garuntee we'll have around 50% extra people comming out ready to fight As for the whole hatred issue. Some people hate more than others. Even though it's a game I don't see the harm in that hatred, as long as it stays in the game (which imo, the forums are just an extension off). Foxor : targets are lewt, just not yet in can form Hi |
MAXSuicide |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:01:00 -
[49] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/09/2005 15:01:56
i used to spend ages at the beach building cool sandcastles, then there was always some nub that would come running along and trample it down.  My vids and random stuff |
 MAXSuicide Kemono. |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:01:00 -
[50] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/09/2005 15:01:56
i used to spend ages at the beach building cool sandcastles, then there was always some nub that would come running along and trample it down. Cosmic Fusion Killboard |
 Rei Storm |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:17:00 -
[51]
You can see the emotional scarrs...  ------------------------------- 
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 Rei Storm SuperCell. |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:17:00 -
[52]
You can see the emotional scarrs... ------------------------------- GM's ♥ me |
 Grimpak |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:20:00 -
[53] Edited by: Grimpak on 09/09/2005 15:20:53
damn them noobs ------------------- Grimpak, all round nice guy |
 Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:20:00 -
[54] Edited by: Grimpak on 09/09/2005 15:20:53
damn them noobs --- truth about EVE:
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Timos |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:24:00 -
[55]
Placing a ship on escrow now repackages it, and puts the ship + mods into an escrow, providing none of the items needs repair. |
 Timos Aliastra |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:24:00 -
[56]
Placing a ship on escrow now repackages it, and puts the ship + mods into an escrow, providing none of the items needs repair. [VTIL] Timos Ascendant Frontier |
 thelung187 |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:33:00 -
[57] ASCN > NBSI any day of the week, for two reasons: 1. ASCN actually have pvp skill (versus NBSI, who put 4 ravens and a megathron in a pos against my hac and two others) 2. ASCN don't smack the bajesus out of you and act like they are the best thing since vagina. My god, the tripe from NBSI would make you think that we should all cancel ours subs because Game Over just popped up on our collective screens from their leet tech1 frig usage. ATUK may smack, but we back it up. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
 thelung187 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:33:00 -
[58] ASCN > NBSI any day of the week, for two reasons: 1. ASCN actually have pvp skill (versus NBSI, who put 4 ravens and a megathron in a pos against my hac and two others) 2. ASCN don't smack the bajesus out of you and act like they are the best thing since vagina. My god, the tripe from NBSI would make you think that we should all cancel ours subs because Game Over just popped up on our collective screens from their leet tech1 frig usage. ATUK may smack, but we back it up. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
 HehatesUsall |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:47:00 -
[59] First of all i must give a call so that this post doesnt become a flamefest,as most of e-o forum's topics.The opinions listed below are my own and DO NOT necessary represent my corp. Now to my point of view.Immensea was the home of XETIC's pvpers(so we were told when we joined)and we gladly made out home there so that we could pvp all day long,having not much experience part of good fights with old m0o(respect) and some other local pirates like MF and TunDragon.When this whole incident about [5] goint to curse space started,i remember the TS discussion in which i was representing MAZA calling for a vote:NAP with the [5](and ofc getting stabbed later) or deny them the NAP. The talk was a long one but i remember the long talk when a fleet commander( i think it was yoristar) mentioned xetic doesnt have enough firepower to defend itself,and that the 100 bs fleets were light years away.Still the vote to deny NAP passed,because some of the ASCN corps felt like we were indeed powerfull to counter them. Honestly,i dont remember what did CLS/DDC vote for.All i remember is some honest and friendly folk down there who helped us alot at feythapolis,when we were still applicants/trials.There is a BIG difference however between CLS member and CLS leadership.As far as i was concerned CLS leadership made fatal mistakes and caused,to a great extend,XETIC's demise: First of all,wasnt it that a CLS member shot one [5]ship(shuttle i think) first??Of course,we all knew that [5] would attack us sooner or later,but this unprovoked attack gave stain,for the second time, the rights not to honour the MDP,and thus we remained alone. Secondly,while CLS/DDC were blobbing feyth/omist, Immensea gangs with 10-20 ppl,most of them MAZA,were trying to hold immensea no matter what.Nobody understood that in giving them the strategical point of z-h2(immensea factory) they managed to manufacture their own ammo and tacklers/cruisers there.We got no help,except from TMPL and e-r,while other immensea corps did not act as they should. Last but not least,while xetic had the ISK to support many mercs,we didnt do it.That also costed us ALOT,because we simply didnt have the pvp force to counter the [5]+mass+all the other agressors.Did you ever think that if the 20 ppl immensea gang moved to omist and/or feythapolis that it would make any difference?NO it would just make thing worse.Shinra would move their 50 gang there after taking all the Immesnea stations and we wouldnt have won anything. Now back to the point:CLS/DDC could have EASILY taken over xetic's leadership under dictatorial law and kick all the carebear corps,then gather around a region or two.Allying with your enemy whle leaving your friends out of the deal is not acceptable imo.Furthermore we didnt learn that DDC/CLS were leaving from XETIC private forums,but from the public ones!!!That made some of our members very angry with you,so we joined hands with trusted friends to pvp. I had and still have some friends inside CLS who are honourable and decent guys,and who play the game in order to have fun,and thats what im doing,thats what ALL of us are doing.Many of NBSI members can veridy that i say some nasty words about ASCN(:winks:) mostly because i felt betrayed,but i understand now that CLS/DDC leadership tried to do the best for their corps. ASCN has lost the true,honourable character XETIC had.NBSI members have won my respect,but many of them consider carebearism a ''sin''.Nobody is perfect,EVERYONE tries to get a better region,and a better future for his corp by any means necessary.So thats my main point:Past mistakes still apply to our playstile,you cant expect us to forget an incident that changed our playstile 8months ago,that forced us to abandon our homes. I would gladly die for xetic,and most of us would.We could still survive,but CLS didnt have the means to finish the war they started??Could they have chosen something better?Could NBSI ally with ASCN??Time will tell =) |
 HehatesUsall |
Posted - 2005.09.09 15:47:00 -
[60] First of all i must give a call so that this post doesnt become a flamefest,as most of e-o forum's topics.The opinions listed below are my own and DO NOT necessary represent my corp. Now to my point of view.Immensea was the home of XETIC's pvpers(so we were told when we joined)and we gladly made out home there so that we could pvp all day long,having not much experience part of good fights with old m0o(respect) and some other local pirates like MF and TunDragon.When this whole incident about [5] goint to curse space started,i remember the TS discussion in which i was representing MAZA calling for a vote:NAP with the [5](and ofc getting stabbed later) or deny them the NAP. The talk was a long one but i remember the long talk when a fleet commander( i think it was yoristar) mentioned xetic doesnt have enough firepower to defend itself,and that the 100 bs fleets were light years away.Still the vote to deny NAP passed,because some of the ASCN corps felt like we were indeed powerfull to counter them. Honestly,i dont remember what did CLS/DDC vote for.All i remember is some honest and friendly folk down there who helped us alot at feythapolis,when we were still applicants/trials.There is a BIG difference however between CLS member and CLS leadership.As far as i was concerned CLS leadership made fatal mistakes and caused,to a great extend,XETIC's demise: First of all,wasnt it that a CLS member shot one [5]ship(shuttle i think) first??Of course,we all knew that [5] would attack us sooner or later,but this unprovoked attack gave stain,for the second time, the rights not to honour the MDP,and thus we remained alone. Secondly,while CLS/DDC were blobbing feyth/omist, Immensea gangs with 10-20 ppl,most of them MAZA,were trying to hold immensea no matter what.Nobody understood that in giving them the strategical point of z-h2(immensea factory) they managed to manufacture their own ammo and tacklers/cruisers there.We got no help,except from TMPL and e-r,while other immensea corps did not act as they should. Last but not least,while xetic had the ISK to support many mercs,we didnt do it.That also costed us ALOT,because we simply didnt have the pvp force to counter the [5]+mass+all the other agressors.Did you ever think that if the 20 ppl immensea gang moved to omist and/or feythapolis that it would make any difference?NO it would just make thing worse.Shinra would move their 50 gang there after taking all the Immesnea stations and we wouldnt have won anything. Now back to the point:CLS/DDC could have EASILY taken over xetic's leadership under dictatorial law and kick all the carebear corps,then gather around a region or two.Allying with your enemy whle leaving your friends out of the deal is not acceptable imo.Furthermore we didnt learn that DDC/CLS were leaving from XETIC private forums,but from the public ones!!!That made some of our members very angry with you,so we joined hands with trusted friends to pvp. I had and still have some friends inside CLS who are honourable and decent guys,and who play the game in order to have fun,and thats what im doing,thats what ALL of us are doing.Many of NBSI members can veridy that i say some nasty words about ASCN(:winks:) mostly because i felt betrayed,but i understand now that CLS/DDC leadership tried to do the best for their corps. ASCN has lost the true,honourable character XETIC had.NBSI members have won my respect,but many of them consider carebearism a ''sin''.Nobody is perfect,EVERYONE tries to get a better region,and a better future for his corp by any means necessary.So thats my main point:Past mistakes still apply to our playstile,you cant expect us to forget an incident that changed our playstile 8months ago,that forced us to abandon our homes. I would gladly die for xetic,and most of us would.We could still survive,but CLS didnt have the means to finish the war they started??Could they have chosen something better?Could NBSI ally with ASCN??Time will tell =) |
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