at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. .

4 hours is 4 hours, doesn't matter how much time is spent at the keyboard or not. both players spend the exact same amount of time interacting with the game regardless of whether or not they are in front of the keyboard watching the lasers cycle or not.

the guy at the keyboard is "playing" as much eve as the guy not at the keyboard.

weren't there similar whines about amarr ships and structures at one point? i vaguely recall it when i first started playing but i never took much notice since i was in my osprey chewing veld rocks.

This would fix AFK mining, but it wount fix botters, at best it would make botters more detectable by CCP, but since its about AFK mining here goes.

I-¦ll just do one ship here so lets take the most used.

Now a mackinaw has 450m3 cargohold and 35000m3 orehold, and the ore mined goes into the orehold.

Fixed: Mack has 5000m3 cargohold and 32000m3 orehold and the ore mined goes into cargohold.

This way you can still stay and mine without docking often, but you have to move your ore from cargohold to orehold 8 times

PS. the 5k orehold is so u can do 2 cycles without the modles stopping. (at 4k they will stop mining after 2 cycles) this will give u time to pickup cooffe and to read forums or what ever u need to do, and imo u need to do something else coz mining aint that much of a thrill-¿, and some people do mine and play their main at the same time.

Just my 2 cents though.

So basically your attraction to mining is that it is a profession that can be done as a low stress, low income and laid back style? I am a scientist not a game designer but I am sure CCP can design a system that accommodates as many game styles as possible. I wouldn't worry about them destroying a style of game play, CCP does not have a history of consistently nerfing and destroying specific styles of game play.

Changes aren't the topic of this thread though, you hit many of the problem areas that need to be addressed but, its more about debating where this gray area lands while waiting for a blue/red post about it.

i left in the only phrase that counts... as afk minning will result in zero gain over regular mining its A ok!

I disagree it does matter how much time is spent at the keyboard. The guy not at the keyboard is not playing the game at all and should not benefit from a potential gray area in the EULA. You can't play EVE but ~not be playing~ EVE. I agree with you that mining should be fixed so it can accommodate a diverse style of game play.

Player A mines for 4 hours and collects their minerals, player B mines for 4 hours and collects their minerals then goes AFK and leaves their client to mine for 4 more hours. Both players played the game for the same amount of time yet player B took in double the minerals of player A. Player B accumulated items/currency at an accelerated rate compared to player A.

but even if he is at the keyboard, he isn't playing the game either. there's the same amount of player to game interaction between the guy that checks his cargo hold every 20-30 mins as there is with some one who is sitting there transfixed to his eve client.

4 hours is 4 hours, doesn't matter how much time is spent at the keyboard or not

but even if he is at the keyboard, he isn't playing the game either. there's the same amount of player to game interaction between the guy that checks his cargo hold every 20-30 mins as there is with some one who is sitting there transfixed to his eve client.

but even if he is at the keyboard, he isn't playing the game either. there's the same amount of player to game interaction between the guy that checks his cargo hold every 20-30 mins as there is with some one who is sitting there transfixed to his eve client.

Player A mines for 4 hours and collects their minerals, player B mines for 4 hours and collects their minerals then goes AFK and leaves their client to mine for 4 more hours. Both players played the game for the same amount of time yet player B took in double the minerals of player A. Player B accumulated items/currency at an accelerated rate compared to player A.

Its like this: I'll use World of Warcraft as an example but the same system for gathering has been copied by almost every modern MMO. Runes of Magic, Aion, EQ2, Vanguard, SWTOR, etc. Nodes appear randomly in a zone and players harvest them. Once harvested the node despawns and the player moves on. Resource gathering in this manner is laid back and relaxing for some, boring and unfun for others. But its a means to an end. Players gather resources for crafting or just to plain old convert into currency by selling to a vendor or players (farming).

The bizarre thing about EVE Online is that there are infinite nodes (ice) that do not deplete or despawn for 23 1/2 hours. Therefore, there is a subset of players that will take a 'gathering' profession like mining and do it full-time. This would quickly lead to someone quitting any other game as unfun, I mean why would someone gather resources 24/7 for what? To make isk, thats why. But in EVE Online because of the ease of resource gathering they just buy- or devote an entire account to the practice.

The 'infinite node' of ice would have to be addressed along with the ore hold of the mackinaw if anything were to be done about afk mining. Maybe CCP is totally ok with it? Is there a citation? What is Ring Mining? Whatever happened with that? Clearly there are a lot of players that are totally ok with afk mining because they have many accounts devoted to this practice. Farmers essentially, gathering isk.

While watching Netflix :p

The 'infinite node' of ice would have to be addressed along with the ore hold of the mackinaw if anything were to be done about afk mining.

So your problem here is that Player A can only play Eve for 4 hours?

I am not sure Player B has enough hold space to mine for 4 hours without docking either.

so, Player B goes out to mine, tabs AFK, and then forgets to come back, ends up sitting in space for 3 hours, during which time he gets blown up, resulting in a net mineral loss.

So your problem here is that Player A can only play Eve for 4 hours?

I am not sure Player B has enough hold space to mine for 4 hours without docking either.

so, Player B goes out to mine, tabs AFK, and then forgets to come back, ends up sitting in space for 3 hours, during which time he gets blown up, resulting in a net mineral loss.

In a game based on competition I think every edge counts, personally. If someone can only play and be at their keyboard for 4 hours, they shouldn't be able to get 5 hours of work out of it.

Maybe this game needs a 20min autoboot.

Would help TIDI as well =P.

also let's not kid ourselves, if npc rats were worth 10x as much because they took 10x as long to kill (so they keep the same isk/time as they do now) ratters would all fly amarr ships and go afk too.

path of least resistance and all.

besides, the effort of afk mining is totally justified by it's isk/hour.

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One solution would be a type of 'power meter' that waxes and wanes. A completely unattended miner would have a poor hourly yield no matter the skills, implants, boosts. But an attentive miner who was at the keyboard could obtain a decent yield by paying attention to his power meter and clicking it when it waxes.

If you are a current miner who engages in these afk activities and find yourself outraged by the possibility of having to be at the keyboard, something like this being implemented, you need to ask yourself why. Ratters, mission runners, etc. all need to be at the keyboard and paying attention, why shouldn't you??

What you described in this and the other post isn't AFK mining, you're interacting by playing the market and chatting with others. What is not interacting is merely sitting there at work and checking every 20/30/45 mins to make it cycle again, completely ignoring the game except for that little interval of time. Basically its what the "New Order of Highsec" would call bot-aspirancy.

My problem is that player B is gaining double the benefit of playing 4 hours via AFK mining.

If I calculate my at the keyboard time into isk per hour, I make north of 100mil/hour afk mining rock in high sec. The efficiency goes up with more than one account. Or more than a week of training to barely sit in a retriever.

I personally would be happy to see auto-repeat turned off for mining lasers, along with a client logout timer.

Fixes AFK mining, and AFK cloak whines all at once!

Player A mines for 4 hours and collects their minerals, player B mines for 4 hours and collects their minerals then goes AFK and leaves their client to mine for 4 more hours. Both players played the game for the same amount of time yet player B took in

What you described in this and the other post isn't AFK mining, you're interacting by playing the market and chatting with others.

I disagree it does matter how much time is spent at the keyboard. The guy not at the keyboard is not playing the game at all and should not benefit from a potential gray area in the EULA. You can't play EVE but ~not be playing~ EVE.

I personally would be happy to see auto-repeat turned off for mining lasers, along with a client logout timer.

Fixes AFK mining, and AFK cloak whines all at once!

oh really and how much player activity is behind moon mining?