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Of the top 10 most wanted at least 4 are trade hub whores who never undock so no chance of ever claiming a bounty there.

Is the new bounty system perfect? No. Is it much better than the old one? Yes.

...it will end the ridiculous situation where people pod kill themselves to transport around the galaxy...

Out of boredom and an interest to see how it works I did a little poking around on the bounty board.
From what I can see, most of the top 10 bounty hunters themselves, are known pirates who do this sort of thing anyway. CCP just changed it so now they get a little extra for it.. When I say a little I mean exactly that.
According to the bounty office the top 10 "Bounty Hunters" have, 1,224 kills for bounties, claimed (been paid) 8,478,766,666 isk in bounties, which equates to 6,927,096 isk per kill. Not much really.

I believe one way to make bounty hunting more viable as a profession would be to make player set bounties have an expiry time. When they expire the isk goes into a pool and is used by concord to set bounties based on security status. EG; -1 would get you a concord bounty of 50mil, -2 would be 75mil and so on. The Concord bounty would be paid in full on the demise of the outlaws ship and the 20% player placed bounty paid as an extra.

The Concord bounties would only be paid in highsec and lowsec, nulsec kills would only pay the player placed bounty as is now. If the player claiming the bounty has bad standing with Concord that bounty is reduced accordingly, this is so as to not encourage pirates hunting pirates and make Bounty Hunting a legitimate profession.


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Of the top 10 most wanted at least 4 are trade hub whores who never undock so no chance of ever claiming a bounty there.

That's one problem with the bounty system.

The other is the system has no teeth. The offenders don't care even if they have a 100bil bounty, as the payout isn't worth the trouble.

Would be better if we actually had a police force, and the bounties were their paychecks. I'd PvP for that in itself (give us black uniforms and ships, and it'll even be kewl). Classic cops and robbers gameplay.

Look, it's this simple: if there is a way for the bounty payout to exceed the value of the ship, including insurance, then it will immediately be claimed by the bounty target, either by using an alt or a friend. The bounty just becomes a gift to the very person you wanted to take revenge on. End of story.

The only way to increase the value of bounty payouts above that if for the payouts to be judged by a human, and if that's what's wanted, the bounty hunter will have to make a personal "unofficial" deal with the player who placed the bounty.

Is a good well isk store for the economy though. Slows inflation as it is removing isk out of circulation.

Slight digression from the thread, but I'm not entirely convinced that this situation is ridiculous.

Can you imagine if we had cloning technology in real life? I woke up with an epic hangover this morning - would just shoot myself and wake up in a nice, chemical-intoxication-free (and younger) body to resolve. On holiday on another continent? Can't be bothered with the two-connection twelve hour flight home? The corpses would litter the streets. Pod express, best express.

I'm sure no players would ever exploit that system by putting alts in to the "police" and using them to claim bounties put on their mains.

Then don't allow them to do so.

One the major problems in EvE is they don't have the Battle.net system, where accounts are linked.

So instead of being so negative, think of SOLUTIONS.

How are you to be a CSM is you're not even trying to be innovative and original???

I will admit I have to agree with that.

Mind you could it have been much worse?

Hell, people would be popping themselves to avoid their parents finding out that they were smoking drugs/got a tattoo/got pregnant/had a sun burn... The streets wouldn't be littered - There'd be an organized body-removal service that makes the waste removal industry look minor league.

Bring out your dead! ::clang:: ::clang:: Bring out your dead!

Success. It does what it's supposed to do without causing any unwanted side-effects.

CCP Have said they don't consider the bounty system finished and there is plenty of room for tweaks. One of them I believe was even the idea that hunting the top ten would actually pay more bounty, say 40-80% per kill

Unwanted side-effect, miners being bountied and killed legally simply because they can be. .. Is killing miners, (who in a way keep the economy of eve rolling) really what the bounty system is for? Keep killing miners = prices for ships etc keep going up..

The powerblocks don't care they got their high-sec mining fleets sucking up roids to the point that actual new players can't mine them (that's not about accessibility there CCP).

The only way to increase the value of bounty payouts above that if for the payouts to be judged by a human, and if that's what's wanted, the bounty hunter will have to make a personal "unofficial" deal with the player who placed the bounty.

Unwanted side-effect, miners being bountied and killed legally simply because they can be.

Unwanted side-effect, outlaws still freely roam where-ever when-ever they like, most of the time unchallenged.

I always thought that the bounty system would be something that law abiding citizens could use as a viable means to get back at those that flaunt the law. Afterall, most of the victims of highsec ganking are the types that are unwilling and/or unable to get revenge. So, the bounty system should allow them to be able to get retribution, via cold, hard isk. However, as it stands, everyone has a bounty now, your sec-status and how good or evil you are is completely irrelevant. Its completely killed the possibility of bounty hunters being a viable profession, and has instead reduced it to a simple bonus in isk to your kills.

In my opinion, bounties should only be possible on those that are clearly unwilling to follow the laws of the empires.

Try moving a few jumps away from the big trade hubs and newbie systems. I fly through dozens of systems on a regular basis that are full of rocks every single time.

If you want earn cash by avenging poor hapless gank victims, you activate their killrights and take the bounty as your payment. If you just want to kill people for the bounty, you just do the maths whether attacking them will be worth it or not.

That doesn't make much sense. Bounties have nothing to do with the empires (which explains why they also don't have anything to do with the legality of attacking people). They are simply a price on someone's head GÇö a deal between players. Criminals can put a price on someone's head just as well as law-abiding citizens.

Flying in 0.4 doesn't count, as even the nullbears bypass it.

By noon, the rocks are gone. Usually with cans with a 0.0 alliance name stamped on them filled to the brim...

Fly out of Caldari space and you will find that most places don't get stripped.

Finally I live in NZ, my peak play time is about 5 hours before downtime, if there were no rocks after noon as you imply I would be SOL if I wanted to mine. However, as I typed, Hibi was mostly full every time I went in there.

How exactly are accounts of different players going to be linked?

No unwanted side-effects?? Sorry but after reading the responses I have to disagree with that..

Unwanted side-effect, miners being bountied and killed legally simply because they can be. ..

Ah, many places are stripped there, and by noon.

One of my favorite spots (when we had to wait days for respawns but the roids were HUGE in comparison), used to take 10 or so miners 6hrs to clear one belt (used to place cans all around just one huge one to mine it), and this is with Hulks then (which isn't seen anymore no thanks to the Goonies). Six hours all the Retrievers now can clear out that system (10k roids pop sooooo quick).



0.5.

They're not mining full force until after restart. Which again means, by noon the roids are gone. And what you're saying matches what I'm seeing in both Amarr and Caldari zones, in when miners come out to mine (heck of a lot of Russians out there then).

Then don't allow them to do so.

One the major problems in EvE is they don't have the Battle.net system, where accounts are linked.

So instead of being so negative, think of SOLUTIONS.

How are you to be a CSM is you're not even trying to be innovative and original???

Highsec is clearly the main place where bounties are having an effect. Lowsec and null is generally shoot first and don't bother asking questions. Bounties there just boil down to additional isk payouts for kills. Highsec is where it has the most influence, via the killrights and the additional benifits it brings to gankers. I imagined people specializing as bounty hunters, tracking down and killing specific targets. But as it stands, with everyone being bountied to some degree, it seems to benefit the pirates of EvE, simply giving them additional cash for what they've been doing since before the changes.

I'd be interested to hear opinions from gankers, towards this topic. Specifically regarding if they feel it has helped or hindered their profession.

GǪexcept, of course, that bounties don't make it legal to kill miners. So no, that's not a side-effect of bounties (and even if it were, it's highly debatable whether it would be unwanted or not). Prices of ships going up because miners get blown up would be a rather good development at this point.

That's not a side-effect of bounties, nor is it unwanted. That's just the same old complacency that has always let them fly around unmolested.

If you've read anything about unwanted side-effects from bounties, it's a near-certainty that you've read something written by people who don't understand how bounties work.

The new bounty system is very similar to the F/I thread that talked about how to fix bounties isn't it? I think its a great example of Developers doing their best to incorporate player feedback , and players trying to be clear and develop well thought out ideas. One of the things that makes Eve great for sure.

I wouldn't mind if the payout % was a little higher, but if this is where it needs to be so that people can't cash in on themselves then so be it.

And I would like to see "friendly bounties" implemented; so that I can put a bounty on a friend and if he gets blown up then he will get a % of the bounty and I will get a Concord bounty payout notice. I like getting notified when my contacts get blown up just so I can go commiserate and help out if the loss was terrible. But putting even a small bounty on friends is kind of cheeky.

The other advantage to friendly bounties is that they might encourage risky flying that can lead to great adventures.

Sometimes it is best to ignore players "feedback" otherwise the game can turn into a pigs mess of nerfs and safe zones.

Sometimes listening to players is not a good idea. You design a game, and get on with it. Unfortunately CCP seem to be unwilling to change areas of the game that are messy and legacy.

It takes effort to overhaul something and sometimes they just don't want to touch some areas, or they do some areas half heartedly with no real commitment, probably because they are low on cash and cannot inject a large amount of effort on them as they desperately try to reinvent themselves with Dust, since WoD is in an udder mess along with WiS.

Once a company starts to cut and downsize instead of driving on with changes, and just kneejerk react to player screams that are the most intolerable to moderate, that is the death of a game. You can spin it whatever way you wish but that is all it will be, newsspeak and spin.

The changes to the bounty system don't seem like a knee jerk response to player whining. Its a good system, well thought out and implemented with very few snags. What are you on about?

It could be better by making being Wanted more dangerios in Empire.

It could be better by making being Wanted more dangerios in Empire.

What like putting a high enough bounty on someone comes with a kill right? I don't think that will happen, many players enjoy the relative safety of of highsec, anything that undermines that protection would be a core shift in the game that a lot of people don't want.

And judging from the miners posting in this thread bounties do make highsec more dangerous. Gank mechanics are made much more profitable by a high bounty. Think about a guy with a billion isk bounty out missioning, if a ganker finds and suicides him the gankers ship is paid for before the loot is scooped, the mission ship loot is all gravy.

Please tell the uneducated how if one wanted, can you hunt bounties in highsec without Concord intervention??

Oh and I would be more than happy to shoot those with negative security and bounties in highsec except that concord intervention makes it near impossible, or is that another thing i have wrong?? Concord won't attack me if I kill someone with negative security and a bounty??

Your missing the whole point of this post.. It is about turning bounty hunting into an eve profession. CCP has said Bounty Hunting is a legitimate profession for those wishing to take that path.. Yet it is not a legitimate profession if you are chasing bounties in empire space..

So why should I be as safe as somebody without a bounty not being wanted and me being wanted say for example by 100 corps, 100 aliances and 10,000 players? Or as equally safe as somebody who is only wanted for 100,000 and 1 player?

Why should I be as equally as safe as them?

And judging from the miners posting in this thread bounties do make highsec more dangerous. Gank mechanics are made much more profitable by a high bounty. Think about a guy with a billion isk bounty out missioning, if a ganker finds and suicides him the gankers ship is paid for before the loot is scooped, the mission ship loot is all gravy.

If not in a NPC corp. The worst offenders are in NPC corps with some serious negative standings, as there's little recourse to deal with them (can't war dec them for one). Some have bounties in the hundreds of millions, and KB ganks to prove how they got their bounties.

[]GǪin which case there is an obvious line of recourse to deal with them.

Good news: you're not.
The fact that you have a bounty makes you a more valuable target for attackers to go after than if you didn't have it. Flying more expensive ships becomes even more risky since you start making yourself a free gank, from the hull alone.

Bounties offer a motivation to attack, not a means to do so GÇö that's the job of Crimewatch. Higher bounty = higher motivation = higher risk. It's not rocket surgery.

If anyone is willing to bother. 20% payout on trash isn't much of a bounty hunter incentive.

How would different players be related to how Battle.net links accounts (and for the point of addressing an issue in how to address the bounty payout exploits)?

Whatever abuse people are doing with alts can also be done by asking their friends to do it, instead of using their own alts. How is account-linking going to stop that?

Much like it stops 10000001 exploits and abuses in WoW.

Accountability.

Losing one account is, "bah". Losing 10+, hurts.

And you catch them how?

I have no idea so I rambled about WoW some more.

Much like it stops 10000001 exploits and abuses in WoW.

Accountability.

Losing one account is, "bah". Losing 10+, hurts.

I think you are confusing something here. Awoxing, corptheft, ganking, bumping, and all those fun "bad" activities are neither exploits or abuses. It's a legit way to play EVE.

Where did you come from with that left field response? Pluto?

Anyone mentioned that stuff?

Read before replying, it helps.

I've read. I see whinging about bounties, complaints about the bad people doing bad things in EVE and how the bounty system doesn't slow them down, then this weirdness about linking accounts.

Yup. Otherwise, he wouldn't have to manage that risk and could fly around in whatever he wanted.

Said ganker is a free kill GÇö the bounty is all profit GÇö and he is now limited to only ever flying single-digit-million ships. He is already at an elevated risk, and flying something more racks it up even further.

So what exactly makes 100billions bounty of this person to increase his risk? To change his "life" (which is 100% is suicide ganking)?

He'll just go back to do it again. That's what he exists to do.

There's no real incentive to hunt him down, as tomorrow he's busy ganking again.

Now if the bounty system had teeth, he would have to think more than losing a cheap 2m ISK ship, as now there's a risk more than his worthless life.

And, as I said, your "accountability" ends at the login screen.

I believe even CCP won't agree with that viewpoint. You bet they believe in accountability on their property.

Pull back some there, as that's some extreme views, that isn't reality.

you mean bounty somehow changes the fact that you will get attacked by NPC for having bad SS?

Once i spend some time trying to catch one suicider. he used station, docked in a pod, undocked to undock bookmark in catalyst, then warp to whatever point and work. After 10-15 minutes i decided that even if i kill him any bounty/loot don't worth wasted time.

So what exactly makes 100billions bounty of this person to increase his risk?

There's no real incentive to hunt him down, as tomorrow he's busy ganking again.

We seem to be mixing ideas here. I'm discussing legitimate game mechanics re: accountability.

Since the two have nothing to do with each other, no.

GǪin other words, he had to manage his risk, and having a bounty adds to that risk. If there was no risk in it, he wouldn't have to jump through all those hoops.

20% of estimated loss is not enough to make a big impact, except in the case of blowing up an exhumer or similar ship that has a big bounty on it.

Should be 40-50%.

I don't like the bounty system because everyone and their dog has a bounty now.

Kind of ruins the "argh im a pirate fear me" feel that the massive "WANTED" plastered on your name used to give.

I mean even I amassed a bounty even though I had a 5.1 sec status at the time.

My idea is very simple, pod killing someone should always result in a loss of SP, similar in the penalty that you take from losing a T3 cruiser. All pods should be immune to bubbles to avoid inevitable crying by nullsecers.

[...] miners being bountied and killed legally [...]

Is the new bounty system perfect? No. Is it much better than the old one? Yes.

Ten people, out of THOUSANDS ...

Thanks for displaying what's wrong with most people nowadays.
Yes, i'm talking about you.

kr actovation costs are a damn joke. Rarely do i see one with a low activation cost. They seem to be 500mil up to 2 bil to activate. No way you would pay that unless you are filthy rich and bored

Look, it's this simple: if there is a way for the bounty payout to exceed the value of the ship, including insurance, then it will immediately be claimed by the bounty target, either by using an alt or a friend. The bounty just becomes a gift to the very person you wanted to take revenge on. End of story.

The only way to increase the value of bounty payouts above that if for the payouts to be judged by a human, and if that's what's wanted, the bounty hunter will have to make a personal "unofficial" deal with the player who placed the bounty.

You're confusing two different systems. What you're asking for exists and does indeed make bounty-hunting a viable profession.

If you want earn cash by avenging poor hapless gank victims, you activate their killrights and take the bounty as your payment. If you just want to kill people for the bounty, you just do the maths whether attacking them will be worth it or not.

What? How are miners being "killed legally"? Bounty has no effect on killrights, miners or not, in case you have been living under a rock and didn't know.

The new bounty system is much better than before. Activated killrights propably aren't working much at all, but it was a nice idea.