Like I said, some people love to do it. Never did i say EVERYONE. I am just saying it drives a significant number of people away because its just such a boring game style.

This is exactly why nobody takes threads such as yours seriously.

Credibility......out the window.

according to your many, many posts on the subject not only did you quit forever you quit forever many times

This. In my post earlier he called me ignorant. Yet he was ignorant to the point I was making...

This is what it's come down to in threads such as these: "You're wrong, my point is right. If you don't accept that fact I will just belittle your character and personality".

EDIT: No one can have a debate on this forum without name calling... I find it... amusing

Then it just was not their game.

With the highest number of subscribers in EVE's history, is there a problem or something ??

You will never understand. You have the disease of the carebear. It's happened to so many current players. They played the game, did your carebear type bullshit, found it was nightmareishly boring and quit the game. They came back a few times because they knew the game had potential but did not know how. Once they found a route to the many, many funner activities compared to mission running and mining, they cannot see themselves playing other games like they do eve.

So teaching your customer how make good and optimal use of your product is a terrible idea? Good to know your the go-to guy on business advice.

Getting desperate for attention lately, are ya'll not ?

Oh yeah...right. And calling me boring is not belittling. Get out, or post with some modicum of intelligence.

i'm sorry, is it not relevant to your claim that "obviously [you] did not quit" that you have made many, many threads stating your intention to quit? that is, surely, relevant to anyone weighing the credibility of your statements on the subject

Dude I was sticking up for you... But have it your own way...

It's just way to subjective of a subject to even talk about.

Oh yeah...right. And calling me boring is not belittling. Get out, or post with some modicum of intelligence.

"It would seem that if you like to mine then you're a loser and should stop playing"...that attitude (referring to the attitude of the statement in quotes) is a much bigger problem than the carebears.

If thats a coy way of saying you admit you are wrong, then I applaud your honesty.

As EVE is a Sandbox, I don't think even CCP can define 'optimal use'.

Such arrogance........

No it's a coy way of stating the truth.

You are simply assigning 'wrong' to it.

You believe what you read in GD ?

To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.

All we are trying to point out here is that SOME (NOT all) players do not like your style of game play and are often driven away by it.

To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.

The game has not suffered for ill in a decade of it's existence from this. Not one iota.

Your ignorance is quite staggering. Carebears never stop amazing me, I doubt they ever will.

What does tossing 3 day old players into Low have to do with learning anything ?

Not sure if anyone has checked Krixtal's killboard history, but it tells a sad story.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=638628

What does tossing 3 day old players into Low have to do with learning anything ?

Have you not been reading anything I've said? You introduce them into the environment of lowsec so they can accommodate themselves to hostile environments rather than just keeping the entire tutorial process in highsec.