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Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1110	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:11:00 - [241] - Quote Posting in yet another idiotic Eve is dying thread. This is not a signature.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 126	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:13:00 - [242] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: I didn't know Hello Kitty had non-voting Null sec supporters. Things you learn huh Things you learn is PvP here IS "Hello, Kitty". Right click, shoot, shoot, shoot, right click...wheee! If I play EvE too long, I'd lose my edge in PvP even in WoW. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
baltec1 Bat Country 5854	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:18:00 - [243] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Frying Doom wrote: I didn't know Hello Kitty had non-voting Null sec supporters. Things you learn huh Things you learn is PvP here IS "Hello, Kitty". Right click, shoot, shoot, shoot, right click...wheee! If I play EvE too long, I'd lose my edge in PvP even in WoW. I love it when people post things like this as it shows the do not pvp in this game.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2340	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:26:00 - [244] - Quote lol Naturally, all new players want to join a 0.0 powerblock to become meatshields for renter pets who have nothing better to do than show up to defend that techmoon POS and be forced to live a life of blobwarfare by numbers, super cap drops and ratting for isk without that having a ruining effect on the game... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
baltec1 Bat Country 5854	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:27:00 - [245] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Commander Ted wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Don't blame the carebears for being better recruiters. go in recruitment chat, look at how many corps say "Level 4 mission access and regular pvp ops in hisec" Then look at their killboards and report back to me. And the difference is what? If you have a tricked out BS, you're not PvPing in it. Those with active KBs aren't pewpewpewing in billion isk ships, it's 1-2mil throw aways. Even they see it's pointless throwing isk away. I own a billion isk megathron for pvp and my most expensive mega plan is worth over a trillion.
Dread SinJin Dark Energy. 0	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:36:00 - [246] - Quote posting in a stealth eve is dying thread
Cryxx Nadoa Logica Solutions RED University 23	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:44:00 - [247] - Quote Been thinking...it seems that alot of people presume that new players are to stupid to figure things out for themselves, and therefor eat up everything people tell them without being critical...is this really how you look at new eve players?
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1110	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:56:00 - [248] - Quote Dread SinJin wrote: posting in a stealth eve is dying thread Stealth? This is not a signature.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:17:00 - [249] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I own a billion isk megathron for pvp and my most expensive mega plan is worth over a trillion. And when were you a new player, again? And who's your main (hmmm, Salvage V seems good now...)? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
baltec1 Bat Country 5854	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:21:00 - [250] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: baltec1 wrote: I own a billion isk megathron for pvp and my most expensive mega plan is worth over a trillion. And when were you a new player, again? And who's your main (hmmm, Salvage V seems good now...)? Unlike you I post with my main. Also you said nothing about a new player, just billion isk BS.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1960	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:25:00 - [251] - Quote I agree with the OP, somewhat. I would've stopped playing Eve from boredom if not because of a friend of mine ingame told me to try out living in lowsec for a few days. Best decision I've had and what keeps me playing this awful game. I do however, disagree with some points. Not doing pvp doesn't mean someone is a carebear, that's a stupid logical deduction. Actively PVP-ing (as in shooting other player ships) is a choice, it's not forced to anyone and it's not supposed to cater to everyone's taste. A carebear is someone who's not only risk-averse, but completely ignores and rejects the fact that while they can do anything they want, Eve is still a PVP game and everyone is always at risk at getting blown up by the time they hit that undock button. Whether they do PVP or not at all, is hardly relevant. "I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Setaceous Nexus Prima 21	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:25:00 - [252] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Haedonism Bot wrote: OP speaks the truth. The carebears and cowards have too loud a voice with new players, and I'm convinced it has a negative impact on subscriptions. There are plenty of fun things that new players can do in this game. Spending hours on end mining or running missions are not among them. Strange, when I was just starting I listened to nobody except when I had a specific question. This is just chock full of assumptions here. Some folks enjoy mining and mission running. You just want a bunch of sheeple playing to personally keep you happy, that's all. Indeed. To me it looks like the OP is simply projecting his easily led personality onto others. I've seen this in just about every game I've played online for the last 20 years "OMG, they not play like me, they different, must tell people they bad". It's a primitive attitude taken by people that shouldn't be allowed to breed.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:48:00 - [253] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Unlike you I post with my main. If I did you'll probably ** in your pants. baltec1 wrote:** Also you said nothing about a new player, just billion isk BS. Thread title doesn't take rocket science to figure it out. Mouthbreathers...sigh. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Frying Doom 2263	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:56:00 - [254] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: baltec1 wrote: Unlike you I post with my main. If I did you'll probably ** in your pants. baltec1 wrote:** Also you said nothing about a new player, just billion isk BS. Thread title doesn't take rocket science to figure it out. Mouthbreathers...sigh. I love that face that the non-voting whine machine is calling others mouth breathers or is that just because you are so full of excuses you have a machine is to breath for you, due to the fact that if you did it your self you might swallow a bug or something. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4538	Posted - 2013.04.08 08:17:00 - [255] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Posting in yet another idiotic Eve is dying thread. EVE will die if people keep perpetuating falsehoods about the game so that people who actually want to play never learn about it beyond the protective sphere they happen to fall into when they're still green behind the ears. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 63	Posted - 2013.04.08 08:26:00 - [256] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Posting in yet another idiotic Eve is dying thread. EVE will die if people keep perpetuating falsehoods about the game so that people who actually want to play never learn about it beyond the protective sphere they happen to fall into when they're still green behind the ears. What are you talking about? The numbers during european time have never been higher, there's so many people active that even jita get's a traffic control on it.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 611	Posted - 2013.04.08 08:41:00 - [257] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: Your opinion. Are others not allowed theirs? We're allowed our own opinion. So long as it's the opinion the OP has told us we are supposed to have. This is just another "Your playing it wrong if your not playing the game MY WAY thread." ie. Inane, Banal, Trite & Tedious.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2013.04.08 08:43:00 - [258] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: I love that face that the non-voting whine machine is calling others mouth breathers or is that just because you are so full of excuses you have a machine is to breath for you, due to the fact that if you did it your self you might swallow a bug or something. Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDmWvYcvbw It is the language you understand. Lowest common denominator even. And I belief in effective communication. If I have to get a box of crayons out next, hey, so be it. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1194	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:31:00 - [259] - Quote Only read the first couple of pages of this thread (not the full 13...) but I don't see why people are whining about what the OP said. I think it's a fair comment - highsec is overwhelmingly stuffed with industrialists, miners and mission runners, which is fine, I'm not having a go at those types of players, and I dont think OP was either, but it means when new players start that's the type of player they're mostly surrounded with, and most likely to fall in with. For some new players this is fine, they'll get into that kind of gameplay too, but that, as well as the tutorials, give a very skewed impression of EVE.
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 63	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:36:00 - [260] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: Only read the first couple of pages of this thread (not the full 13...) but I don't see why people are whining about what the OP said. I think it's a fair comment - highsec is overwhelmingly stuffed with industrialists, miners and mission runners, which is fine, I'm not having a go at those types of players, and I dont think OP was either, but it means when new players start that's the type of player they're mostly surrounded with, and most likely to fall in with. For some new players this is fine, they'll get into that kind of gameplay too, but that, as well as the tutorials, give a very skewed impression of EVE. You gotta test the waters, and see what you like. However the eve population isn't required to make you explore stuff. The game is very challenging when you start out, yeah. However if you don't test the waters and just think "this isn't something for me", it ain't a game for you. If you don't like carebearing, then don't carebear it's that simple. Eve is the sandbox, if up to you wether you want to explore it or not.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:37:00 - [261] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: I think it's a fair comment - highsec is overwhelmingly stuffed with industrialists, miners and mission runners And why? If you're a researcher/inventor with 100bil worth of researched BPOs, do you think you'll just cart them down to nullsec? Naw, you're in high-sec to secure that investment and copying beyond belief in those 100000000001 POSes. It's about Risk vs Reward...no reward losing some very pricey BPOs. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Bi-Mi Lansatha Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association 55	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:39:00 - [262] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: Just a FYI I've introduced a few people to the game. Some missioned Some worm-holed Some mined Some PvP'ed They all quit after 6-9 months, even the ones who joined a PVP corp. When I asked them why they'd stopped playing, I got just 1 answer. Have a guess at what that answer was .... Bored?
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 63	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:40:00 - [263] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: I think it's a fair comment - highsec is overwhelmingly stuffed with industrialists, miners and mission runners And why? If you're a researcher/inventor with 100bil worth of researched BPOs, do you think you'll just cart them down to nullsec? Naw, you're in high-sec to secure that investment and copying beyond belief in those 100000000001 POSes. It's about Risk vs Reward...no reward losing some very pricey BPOs. I'm pretty sure bringing thoes BPOs to null would yield you a great reward... hence titans? motherships? Capitals in general?
baltec1 Bat Country 5856	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:44:00 - [264] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: baltec1 wrote: Unlike you I post with my main. If I did you'll probably ** in your pants. baltec1 wrote:** Also you said nothing about a new player, just billion isk BS. Thread title doesn't take rocket science to figure it out. Mouthbreathers...sigh. So why did YOU bring up billion isk BS? As far as your main goes, try me. I'v had most of high sec gunning for my head for the last 14 months. You arn't anything special.
Athena Maldoran Special Nymphs On A Mission 1703	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:45:00 - [265] - Quote I always make sure I feed the bears before i pet them
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1194	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:57:00 - [266] - Quote culo duro wrote: TheGunslinger42 wrote: Only read the first couple of pages of this thread (not the full 13...) but I don't see why people are whining about what the OP said. I think it's a fair comment - highsec is overwhelmingly stuffed with industrialists, miners and mission runners, which is fine, I'm not having a go at those types of players, and I dont think OP was either, but it means when new players start that's the type of player they're mostly surrounded with, and most likely to fall in with. For some new players this is fine, they'll get into that kind of gameplay too, but that, as well as the tutorials, give a very skewed impression of EVE. You gotta test the waters, and see what you like. However the eve population isn't required to make you explore stuff. The game is very challenging when you start out, yeah. However if you don't test the waters and just think "this isn't something for me", it ain't a game for you. If you don't like carebearing, then don't carebear it's that simple. Eve is the sandbox, if up to you wether you want to explore it or not. Of course, if you don't like the the more "carebearish" playstyles there are other viable things to do, I think the OPs point was that new players don't necessarily get that impression. The tutorials certainly don't prepare you or guide you towards those things, and there are a lot of corporations - particularly highsec corporations who aim to recruit new players - who tend to do the following things: a) promote themselves as having PVP as a part of their corporation when they don't PVP at all (which is a bit misleading for newbies, with lots of none-pvping corps advertising as being at least partly PVP focused, they may get the impression that the amount of or ease of getting into PVP is very low) b) enforce the idea that you are worthless until you've spent months training c) kind of imply that the way EVE is played is to first spend ages slogging through boring PVE until you have "enough" isk built up that you can PVP. To be fair, a lot of highsec players, even long time ones, actually do play this way - for example, whenever the discussion of highsec vs nullsec balance comes up they'll say "but I'll go to nullsec AFTER I've made x amount of isk in highsec!". It's a valid choice, but it isn't the ONLY choice, and I don't think that comes across very well for new players, so they think they first need to spend ages carebearing before testing the waters of pvp
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 981	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:08:00 - [267] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: baltec1 wrote: Unlike you I post with my main. If I did you'll probably ** in your pants. baltec1 wrote:** Also you said nothing about a new player, just billion isk BS. Thread title doesn't take rocket science to figure it out. Mouthbreathers...sigh. is this the main that can't complete the equivalent of a level 3 mission in a caracal Quote: My skills can barely handle level 3 missions -- why I'm posting here on the forums -- skilling just enough combat skills before a month of Production Efficiency V; Refinery Efficiency V; Metallurgy V to have something to do (want perfect refines). When I scanned a high-sec site -- http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gurista_Vigil -- it turned out to be one that cost me a Caracal. So if high-sec exploration rat sites are that tough, low-sec isn't going to be any easier...and I can't spare the skill training time for PvP skills to level up for a BS (which is what destroyed the cruiser). Only after I get my indy/research skills up will I train for it. because yes baltec may **** himself laughing
Velicitia Nex Exercitus 1345	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:27:00 - [268] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: which temporary setback at the hands of an alliance we then crushed How did you crush BoB again? I'll even use a source you guys would think is more "fair" (calling yourselves "noble"?) ... http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Band_of_Brothers Quote: In February 2009, the Band of Brothers alliance was administratively disbanded. Goonswarm claim to have engineered this, stating that the action was taken by a disgruntled lead director as a 'rite of passage' to join Goonswarm. In addition, Goonswarm claim to have stolen a large amount of BoB assets. While one BoB source has denied this claim, another stated that an investigation was underway with regard to a possible infiltration of the alliance. So much for a crushing defeat by n00bies via PvPing. Just enter the back door and pull a plug. BoB and Goonswarm had been at it on the battlefields for months at the time this was engineered (not to mention the BoB war campaign that had been going on anyway for some time before this). Goonswarm may have taken a cheap shot to get rid of BoB ... but that happens from time to time. However, the sov that they took (and still hold) up north was all gained when they were newbies. That said, while the OP's rhetoric may be a bit over the top, the point is still valid. I recently ran with an admittedly still forming hisec crew CEO'd by an old friend solely for the fact that they got dec'd. The alliance that they were part of (not led by said CEO) had the "no PvP ever" and "don't log on for a week during war" mandates that are apparently the problem that the OP is probably trying to address. After the dec, I tried starting some "PVP 101" classes for our rookies ... people actually took offence at the idea that they should risk ships (that *I planned to fund from my personal wallet*) and ISK in a war, where the end result is "one side had better guns than the other". One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8
duckmonster GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 36	Posted - 2013.04.08 11:03:00 - [269] - Quote Introduce your friends to AWOXing. Its one of the great joys of this game and should be part of the beginner tutorial.
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 64	Posted - 2013.04.08 11:04:00 - [270] - Quote duckmonster wrote: Introduce your friends to AWOXing. Its one of the great joys of this game and should be part of the beginner tutorial. Can i join GSF?

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