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MoTHeR THuKKa
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:00:00 -
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What would happen if you went up to an Aircraft Carrier in the Atlantic with a fleet of five Speedboats + machine guns and started firing on them.
You would get obliterated, even big ships have small guns.
It is silly to think that in Eve 5 frigates can orbit a BS and not get killed.
I would like to see Extra slots put on BS that are only for the use of Small and Medium Guns (or missiles).
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RabbidFerret
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:11:00 -
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Battleships have two main purposes:
Anti BS and Stationary bombardment.
They obviusly excel at Anti Bs, and 1vs1 can kill a BS faster than any other ships.
Frigates and even more importantly ceptors were built as quick response/BS escorts/ Anti BS (ceptors in groups). Their only means of survival vs. the firepower of a BS is thier speed.
Cruisers/Destroyers/Battlecruisers (maybe)/frigs/ceptors all act to counter eachother in combat. They were built to act as BS escorts, using thier smaller turrets to bring down enemy ceptors and frigs and using speed to avoid BS fire.
If your alone in your BS and 5 frigs/ceptors are orbiting you thats your fault. BSes are by no means king of the battlefield, they are just another part of what makes up a good fighting group.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:15:00 -
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 Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
What would happen if you went up to an Aircraft Carrier in the Atlantic with a fleet of five Speedboats + machine guns and started firing on them.
You would get obliterated, even big ships have small guns.
It is silly to think that in Eve 5 frigates can orbit a BS and not get killed.
yup. thats right.
however
gameplay and balance > fun
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MoTHeR THuKKa
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:17:00 -
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Spot the interceptor pilot.
So you expect me to rat hunt npc's with a bounty of 500K in a big group do you?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
Spot the interceptor pilot.
So you expect me to rat hunt npc's with a bounty of 500K in a big group do you?
lol. i only have evasive manouvering 3.
actually, i am a raven pilot. i know what its like to be able to smash inties and frigs into little pieces very fast. its kind of satisfying, but the raven is more FUN now.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:04:00 -
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Since you mention npc's....there are some nifty little things out there,called the drones.Use them.
I have been playing for about a year,never had my drone skills trained until after the missile patch.I fly only minmatar ships,but i still used torpedos to kill npc frigates.After the missile change i took some time to train up the drone skills,and i can safely say that i regret not having done it earlier.
Plus,drones are useful in PvP as well in the right scenario.Heavy Nosferatu and some light or medium drones will usually drive interceptors pilots away,unless it's a 5 vs 1 in their favor,in which case you would probably lose anyway to anything,even if it's smaller than a battleship.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:15:00 -
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...or you could just put smaller guns/launchers in your existing slots. Where's the problem?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
...or you could just put smaller guns/launchers in your existing slots. Where's the problem?
the answer i believe is:
Originally by: A nublet
OMG - WHERE'S MY ONE SIZE GANKS ALL SETUP? WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
and yes, i'm a raven pilot, it doesn't mean i can't see missiles were overpowered before
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Wolverine PL
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
Spot the interceptor pilot.
So you expect me to rat hunt npc's with a bounty of 500K in a big group do you?
Use WCS or Heavy nos. And you wont have to worry about interceptors.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:31:00 -
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Frigates are weak to, in no particular order:
1) Nos/Neuts
2) Webs
3) Smartbombs
4) Drones
5) Jamming (low sensor strength)
6) Medium or smaller guns
7) Assault/Standard + Rocket missiles
Don't try to argue that a BS can't easily pack any of these. Battleships have more slots for modules than any ship in the game. If you wanted you could load a Scorpion up with enough launchers, Nos, bombs, webs and EW to kill 15 frigates at once.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
Spot the interceptor pilot.
So you expect me to rat hunt npc's with a bounty of 500K in a big group do you?
If you do this then you suck at this game. But given how little time you seem to have spent on considering the many, many almost fail safe ways (listed above by another poster) to utterly slaughter small ships with a sacrifice of only a few slots, I will assume that you do.
Supremacy Keepin it Real
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
PLEASE TELL US WHY, WHY DO U WANT US TO DIE,
I AM JUST GOING FRIGGEN INSAIGN
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Hannibal AntePorta
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
What would happen if you went up to an Aircraft Carrier in the Atlantic with a fleet of five Speedboats + machine guns and started firing on them.
You would get obliterated, even big ships have small guns.
It is silly to think that in Eve 5 frigates can orbit a BS and not get killed.
I would like to see Extra slots put on BS that are only for the use of Small and Medium Guns (or missiles).
In WW2 the torpedo boats (TP? PT?)menaced cruisers and battleships. So to your statement, its false. Now modern day, there is no such thing as a battleship that is actually used in combat. THis future scenario can very well be the same as the WW2 scenario. Its not a reality based game and shouldn't be treated as such.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
What would happen if you went up to an Aircraft Carrier in the Atlantic with a fleet of five Speedboats + machine guns and started firing on them.
I dunno. What happened if you thought a little bit more, and figured that frigates in game might be close to equivalent to frigates in real life? Long range cruise missiles, a couple drones^W Helos, some artillary. Never mind the equally small sub surface vessels that can take out surface fleets from the other side of the Earth (nukes ftw).
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RabbidFerret
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:35:00 -
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SMARTBOMBS??! BRILLIANT!
All your ferrets are belong to us. |
Krulla
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
What would happen if you went up to an Aircraft Carrier in the Atlantic with a fleet of five Speedboats + machine guns and started firing on them.
You would get obliterated, even big ships have small guns.
It is silly to think that in Eve 5 frigates can orbit a BS and not get killed.
Take a world war II battleship (since there's no such thing as a modern battleship anymore), add some water, make it float.
Now add 5 hostile frigates (not speedboats, frigates) with some decent caliber cannons. Guess what! The battleship is in a lot of trouble, becouse it was a moron and went in without escort!
Take a EvE battleship.
Now add 5 hostile frigates with some decent skills.
Guess what! The battleship is in a lot of trouble, becouse it was a moron and went in alone!
Respect the Domi. Or else. |
Nerie Diabalous
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Posted - 2005.09.14 00:02:00 -
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Ppl dont forget gun calibers a cruiser/frigate wont have enought penetration to bypass a BS armor and blow on the inside (dont even think of explosion on the outside, they wont pass the armor on the medium and heavy guns) yes a bs should have some ability to fit smaller guns (secondary slots for med or small guns) and the tracking and firing abilities of a large turret on a BS woundt give her a headache to hit, and a 300mm-700mm BS main cannons round would find itself blowing on the inside of a cruiser/frigate. Heaviest armor on the BS classes had 500mm armor thickness, wich was to much for 100 to 200mm cruiser and frigs carried. All ships now and then are fitted for a variaty of encounters.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.09.14 00:19:00 -
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Should also be bourne in mind that in a reasonably recent theoretical wargame conducted by the US Military, the Red Team ("Bad Guys") managed to take out most of the Blue Team's ("USA") carriers by driving up to them in speedboats and detonating lots of high explosives. Worked in WWII, works now too apparently.
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MoTHeR THuKKa
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Posted - 2005.09.14 21:43:00 -
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I am amazed that none of you have it in your heart to consider what I suggested as an idea. Think of the possibilities...
After spending 130M on a ship, of 40-70 hours mining for a ship, aren't you sad to see that those tech 2 guns you train for two months to use are equally as useless against small ships?
Oh yeah, the LONG rang guns... it makes so much sense that you can hit a tiny target from 160km accuratly compared to 20k. Ok start saying stuff like "transversal velocity" and "radials per second" why are the bigger guns that slower anyway??? It's not like there is wind resistance in space...
Ok so I am mad, or mathematically wrong who care.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION I use a dominix with tech 2 medium guns for ratting. Its the bees knees, I have known this technique for ages all I am saying is that a battleship should be able to go into a battle. If that doesn't make sense at least consider having a bonus for medium or small faction guns on BS... Damnit, you guys stink anyway.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.14 21:50:00 -
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"I am amazed that none of you have it in your heart to consider what I suggested as an idea. Think of the possibilities..."
I think it'd be cool if the heavy ships had some (say up to 4) extra slots for small weapons, actually... just doesn't seem very doable with the current fitting system the game uses ^^;;;
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.14 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
After spending 130M on a ship, of 40-70 hours mining for a ship, aren't you sad to see that those tech 2 guns you train for two months to use are equally as useless against small ships?
Oh yeah, the LONG rang guns... it makes so much sense that you can hit a tiny target from 160km accuratly compared to 20k. Ok start saying stuff like "transversal velocity" and "radials per second" why are the bigger guns that slower anyway??? It's not like there is wind resistance in space...
urgh
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.14 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
urgh
Stop stealing my thoughts.
Don't be a bad loser | DPS Spreadsheet |
Bedrock
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Posted - 2005.09.14 22:17:00 -
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You fail to see the concept of "support" ships and their role.
[Please support my 'AFK Indicator' idea!!] |
MoTHeR THuKKa
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Posted - 2005.09.14 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bedrock
You fail to see the concept of "support" ships and their role.
YOU fail to see the lameness of blob tactics. A two year old player loses to 2 noobs? That is NOT balanced.
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Aversin
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Posted - 2005.09.14 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
What would happen if you went up to an Aircraft Carrier in the Atlantic with a fleet of five Speedboats + machine guns and started firing on them.
You would get obliterated, even big ships have small guns.
It is silly to think that in Eve 5 frigates can orbit a BS and not get killed.
I would like to see Extra slots put on BS that are only for the use of Small and Medium Guns (or missiles).
that situation is not balanced. a frigate is hardly a speedboat, it is a pod-piloted ship with advanced weapons and shields :). Now tbh t1 frigates can be killed by drones, and if 5 t1 frigates attack a bs and the bs armor tanked (at least decent) they arnt gonna break the tank, 1 large t2 armor rep running constantly will keep the bs alive and laughing, usually frig gank squads dont hit bs that are setup to tank. or they have t2 ships with them
also, it is a game not rl. join the navy
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.09.14 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
Originally by: Bedrock
You fail to see the concept of "support" ships and their role.
YOU fail to see the lameness of blob tactics. A two year old player loses to 2 noobs? That is NOT balanced.
Balance isn't about "who's played longest" :P
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.09.14 23:45:00 -
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This is Eve not real life. In Real Life the objective is to kill the enemy asap/defend the territory as best as possible. In Eve, the objective is to have fun, and pwn-all ships aren't fun.
BTW, 5 frigates can take out a bs. Infact, 2 assault frigates can take down a bs.
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.09.14 23:47:00 -
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Can't you guys see? Small weapons go in low slots, mediums in mid slots. tradeoff in tanking/EW/speed modules etc... It's a good idea. I'd not mind trading off a couple of low slots on my thron for a pair of 150mms. Sure my main guns do less damage, but that's ok.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.09.15 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius
Can't you guys see? Small weapons go in low slots, mediums in mid slots. tradeoff in tanking/EW/speed modules etc... It's a good idea. I'd not mind trading off a couple of low slots on my thron for a pair of 150mms. Sure my main guns do less damage, but that's ok.
lol
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.09.15 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: MoTHeR THuKKa
I am amazed that none of you have it in your heart to consider what I suggested as an idea. Think of the possibilities...
Um, possibilities?
Battleship sized guns used to hit frigates just fine. Then, about two years ago, they changed it..
Know what was happening back when they could hit them?
NOONE FLEW ANYTHING BUT BATTLESHIPS!
Frigates are now reasonably useful. Battleships are no longer the be all and end all ship...
And if you want to kill a frigate, just do even one of the following:
A) Use drones
B) Fit one (1) heavy nosferatu
C) Use a web
D) Use a smartbomb
E) combination of A, B, C, and/or D.
If you cant kill frigates in a BS, you, well, erm, suck.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2005.09.15 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial
Frigates are weak to, in no particular order:
1) Nos/Neuts
2) Webs
3) Smartbombs
4) Drones
5) Jamming (low sensor strength)
6) Medium or smaller guns
7) Assault/Standard + Rocket missiles
Don't try to argue that a BS can't easily pack any of these. Battleships have more slots for modules than any ship in the game. If you wanted you could load a Scorpion up with enough launchers, Nos, bombs, webs and EW to kill 15 frigates at once.
anyone that have met commanders when NPC'ing, will tell you that if you substitute a gun or two for nos/smartbomb, you will most sertainly get ****** over, as u need 110% of your firepower to take it down anyways.
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