wait arent you part of DRF who are doing the complete opposite of this in 0.0 now?
lol

You do not need to make null sec safer and definitely not all people in High Sec are sissies afraid to lose some ships or all of them. Most stand up and start anew. Those who leave because they lose ships I'd agree are playing the wrong game.

I think you should get rid of that idea of cowardly carebears in HS and leet PVPers in 0.0. It is wrong.
How about you re-read the earlier post I made here where I tried to explain (again)? It is a wall of text, I admit it, but perhaps it makes you understand.

They nerfed Sanctums in 0.0, the cloakies moved in to deny the good systems and I ended up flying around chaining up belts all day to make a living! You can only do that for so long.

When I ran out of coin, I went BACK to highsec BECAUSE it was too fn hard to make iskies in 0.0. Now get this. In highsec I came back with the ability to put up my own towers, I can research, manufacture, do missions, go mining or do some lowsec/WH roams for gigglez.. I got choices - and lots of them.

And from that you might well say that highsec is just too good and easy.

However, I do NOT want to go back to 0.0 because there's no point. I'm subserviant to a GrandLord, I cannot have assets/moons of my own and MY income was knocked out with Sanctum nerfs etc.

And for the Average Joe in 0.0, they only got mining and ratting. Every other income potential is already "distributed". (Ironically, to provide the funds for SRF when you lose ships protecting the assets that funds the SRF...)


Seriously, I for one am getting really pissed off being told what I SHOULD be doing in "this sandbox".

And it always comes back to same ol' reason, wtf for?

This ^^

In a game loudly touted as the worlds most premiere sandbox MMO, to have one group of players telling another that they need to play a certain way is probably the most ironic thing of all.

The bottom line is, it's those that see themselves as hardcore players, trying to bully the casuals into playing their way

Oh well, when all the casuals leave for something else, it can be renamed to Douchebag Online, and the 5800 remaining hardcore players can trash talk each other in local anywhere they want.

Sure. But level 4s make the required 0.0 isk generation for it to be worth it much, much higher. That has potential inflation problems. It also doesn't fix level 4s being so out of whack with every other highsec profession. Level 4s aren't just a problem because of the amount of isk they make relative to 0.0. They make too much isk compared to every other highsec profession. I mean it takes more training to use a mack than a t2 raven (I think, or they're roughly equivalent). But mining ice, you're easily ganked, and make much less money. The right answer to make isk in highsec is always, always, "run level 4s".

If you boost 0.0 to a level where it should be to attract new people compared to empire l4s, it's just got to be stupendously higher than if you nerf l4s (leaving level threes, so missioning is still a viable highsec profession, just not the best by far).

Sure. But level 4s make the required 0.0 isk generation for it to be worth it much, much higher.

But mining ice, you're easily ganked, and make much less money. The right answer to make isk in highsec is always, always, "run level 4s".

If you boost 0.0 to a level where it should be to attract new people compared to empire l4s, it's just got to be stupendously higher than if you nerf l4s (leaving level threes, so missioning is still a viable highsec profession, just not the best by far).

I think there should be other reasons to go to 0.0 than just ISK returns.
0.0 should have features that are exclusive in a way beyond ISK. That will attract people to perhaps go there, once there is no BlueBall anymore. At the moment there is no reason at all. The map was much more varied once.

As for Ice Mining vs Level 4s...
I do both and I think I get approximately the same amount of ISK/hour if I refine and sell wisely. Scanned large fields being the target not the belts... More fun also, needs the corp and some protectors, not solo-AFK mining.

I read that you want more hi-sec miners to gank.

Only if you're looking at ways to make ISK while active at the keyboard. Read the Making ISK guide for more ideas of how to make ISK while not sitting at the keyboard.

In a game loudly touted as the worlds most premiere sandbox MMO, to have one group of players telling another that they need to play a certain way is probably the most ironic thing of all.

Did you really just reference the "sandbox" to defend people who only interact with developed content and shun the very player driven content that actually makes the game a "sandbox"?

Well done.

plus when it gets down to it, if you're playing eve just for pve you really are playing the wrong game: mining, ratting, missioning, plexing, these are all ******* terrible pve.

Nah, poster is right.

It IS a sandbox as long as you play it MY way. Common theme 'round here.

Nah, poster is right.

It IS a sandbox as long as you play it MY way. Common theme 'round here.

The JB nerf didn't go far enough. We need mineral compression and stargates nerfed too: mass limits per jump/hour, with upgrades possible through Stargate Reinforcement Units. That will give you small targets worth fighting over, especially since the pain of logistics will reinvigorate T1 manufacturing and kill Jita.

plus when it gets down to it, if you're playing eve just for pve you really are playing the wrong game: mining, ratting, missioning, plexing, these are all ******* terrible pve. they're unimaginably bad: you really should be playing a different game if that's what you want to do. eve's two unique features are it's real-loss nature, and it's amazingly complex economy. If what you're doing in eve doesn't involve one of those two, you're playing a game that is completely outclassed by most of the competition. EvE is about building sandcastles and knocking them over: playing it for any other reason is stupid. Not stupid in the sense that people who enjoy those things are stupid, but that playing eve is such a terrible way to scratch that itch. this isn't insulting (except to whoever developed those parts of eve) but they're just terrible. Play WOW or some other game that's a cooperative PvE mmo, or play a single-player game. You'll have a lot more fun.

well, there's two reasons for this

first, as I mentioned, part of the sandbox is mostly cat pee

second, the most fun thing you can do in the sandbox is make a sand throne and lord it over the peasants in the sandbox, and for that, someone's got to be a sand peasant.

Lmao, this also is very very true..

But unless you throw the peasants a bone occasionally, they get bored with the sandbox and go play in the park instead, leaving you king of an empty pit...

There's very few bones left in this game tbh

yes, I agree. there's nobody left to lord over in 0.0 because nobody wants to live there, so it's just the same jaded old vets.

so, we come lord it over ice belts, cause what else are we gonna do.

yes, I agree. there's nobody left to lord over in 0.0 because nobody wants to live there, so it's just the same jaded old vets.

so, we come lord it over ice belts, cause what else are we gonna do.

It IS a sandbox as long as you play it MY way. Common theme 'round here.

yes, I agree. there's nobody left to lord over in 0.0 because nobody wants to live there, so it's just the same jaded old vets.

so, we come lord it over ice belts, cause what else are we gonna do.

Heh I remember BoB having the same issue some years ago... a total standings reset seemed to fix that and hilarity ensued

it's not that we have no enemies, it's that there is no one left to fight we haven't been fighting forever, it's just not new