Because highsec is too safe, profitable, and easymode, especially when you add AFK Botting to the equation. If you couldn't mine ice, or you couldn't do L4s in highsec, or what have you, there would be a natural push towards Ragequit and then Unsubbing
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1. WH nerf
2. Hi sec war nerf
3. Hi sec incursion nerf

It all points the same way, the long awaited 'push' to get players into null sec is in action.

Is it a coincidence that the CSM is primarily composed of null sec alliances at this point in time?
here are extracts from a high level conversation:

"damn, we dont have enough noobs to shoot here in null sec, what should we do?"
"lets convince CCP that null sec is the future of the game and encourage them to hit hi sec with the nerf bat"
"hey great idea, im on it"

In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

post incarna, post Aurum, post 10k average players logged in drop - this is the time to make the push is it?

For anyone out there wanting to run a sucessful MMO, start one up now, and whenever CCP do something do THE EXACT OPPOSITE! You will be millionaires in no time.

Elise, how low do you draw the line for casual?

Although I am sure it's been said before, here goes: "I'm sorry, you must have missed the memo saying more than half the player driven economy in the game depends on people giving a rip about living (and dying) out in null security space."

I want to blame CCP for everything, but a lot of the shortcoming in this game are the fault of those players who have gone before and only see new players as idiots and prey, then they wonder why they're sitting all alone in nullsec in their 50 titan blobs without anyone to play with.

73% of all statistics are made up, and thats a fact!

It hasnt "been said before" during this thread but for the sake of completeness please expand on your point?

This has mostly been a very positive if somewhat goon heavy discussion about the apparent attempt by CCP too push players that clearly dont want to go into null, into null - and the solutions to providing a better incentive for these players to do exactly that than simply nerfing them out of the game.

I honestly don't give a flying **** enough to bother pointing out the obvious to you.

1. WH nerf
2. Hi sec war nerf
3. Hi sec incursion nerf

It all points the same way, the long awaited 'push' to get players into null sec is in action.

Is it a coincidence that the CSM is primarily composed of null sec alliances at this point in time?
here are extracts from a high level conversation:

"damn, we dont have enough noobs to shoot here in null sec, what should we do?"
"lets convince CCP that null sec is the future of the game and encourage them to hit hi sec with the nerf bat"
"hey great idea, im on it"

In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

post incarna, post Aurum, post 10k average players logged in drop - this is the time to make the push is it?

For anyone out there wanting to run a sucessful MMO, start one up now, and whenever CCP do something do THE EXACT OPPOSITE! You will be millionaires in no time.

You mad bro!?

The great nullsec push

High sec wars are dumb, drab, and usually fought using nothing but cheap tactics/neutral alts. They should nerf it into something far less gay.

There's always been attempted incentives to get people out to null. How is this new? Hell look at the latest winter patch dev blog. I hope they do find a way for solo'ers and small corps to find something to do out in null without needing to be apart of some huge alliance full of anal retentive neck beards with god complexes.

ItGÇÖs interesting that a playerbase where pve oriented subscribers outnumber pvp subscribers, play a game which is essentially a pvp game.

It is ironic that the game publisher primarily wants to please the pvp player first, yet the pve players are paying the bills.

That must suck.

Ya, I cannot stress enough that this game would not exist if it was Hisec Online. None of you would be playing anything.

The future of the game beyond l4 missions and hisec belts is the future of the game itself.

Its not just CCP that needs to fix Null sec, Its the player base as well. If some of the alliances made it easier for these Hi-Sec players to come out to null then they might start to come, but as long as the alliances have mandatory CTA's and force players into a certain role you will continue to have resistance to players moving to Null.

There are two sides to this coin. I will readily admit that there are too many (1 would be too many, but there are more than that) 0.0 alliances run by wanna-be Napoleons with delusions of adequacy. But there are also plenty who are run by reasonable people who don't roleplay fascist dictators, and even the best these will post CTAs from time to time. The plain fact is that 0.0 is highly competitive and those alliances which don't pull together in time of need will sink under the weight of competition from those who do.

The flip side of the 'Little Napoleon' complex you describe is the 'Special Snowflake' complex, whereby people (often those who have only really played in hi-sec, I'm afraid) think that they shouldn't have to adapt their playstyle at all when they're in 0.0; they reject the idea that they should contribute to the team even while they're benefitting from the results of that teamwork. They take the relative safety of alliance space for granted, but refuse to put in any work to help keep it that way or even learn how to not make it worse.

And always with the same slogan: "If you're not going to pay my sub then don't tell me how to play!"


When too many of these parasites infest a 0.0 alliance, it will invariably fall apart as soon as it's faced with even a small hostile challenge. I have seen this same story of once decent alliances rotting out this way played out over and over again in the last 5 years, both from the inside and the outside.

You really don't need to play 5 hours a night. The fact that people aren't aware of this and don't know how to find the organizations that complement their playstyle is the problem. Furthermore, getting more casuals like yourself out of hisec will have a snowball effect that will in turn make the transition easier for those who follow.

I went to a POS bash last night because I was asked to do so by my alliance head. Travel time + fleet muster & organization + actual POS bash = 5 hours. Any fleet capable of removing POS's is going to take, at a minimum, 1 - 2 hours to form.You can do it quicker with smaller fleets but then you increase your time to reinforce on the back end. There's really no way to get around that fact. Granted everyone was coming from different regions of space. But, then CCP doesn't really make small areas of space profitable or interesting enough to perpetually house large groups of people.

The problem with the game's population is the lack of casual content. Eve needs an arena environment. I don't care how complex a rat's AI becomes it's either predictable or it's annoying. It can't be anything else because there is no sense of victory over an algorithm. But, there is a sense of victory over another player. Unfortunately, the current game mechanics makes such interactions difficult to do alone or quickly. In a solo PVP situation you're more apt to be blobbed than find someone else like minded. You can literally spend hours looking for that one opportunity for a 2-5 minute fight. Why CCP doesn't see that as a serious game flaw in the sandbox environment, I'll never know.

I went to a POS bash last night because I was asked to do so by my alliance head.

Any fleet capable of removing POS's is going to take, at a minimum, 1 - 2 hours to form.

I mostly just feel like the former nullsecers were all in terrible alliances to not bounce straight into another null alliance. People thinking that it's like working just make me sad. You pay ratting taxes, and you x up, and what Alliances are supposed to pay you in return is CONTENT. Aka Fun. Find a null alliance where you have fun, jesus it's not hard.