So sayeth the Minmatar player, who stands to gain in every way from this, as opposed to a small time Rokh pilot, who will be drastically effected negatively by this change. I don't run in megablobs, or often have access to an OGB and/or booster.

So what is the problem to raise the bonus for them then if it is an issue?

Probably nothing except CCP said they didn't want to raise the self repping bonuses.

So sayeth the Minmatar player, who stands to gain in every way from this, as opposed to a small time Rokh pilot, who will be drastically effected negatively by this change. I don't run in megablobs, or often have access to an OGB and/or booster.

Probably nothing except CCP said they didn't want to raise the self repping bonuses.

And please show more love the the Nighthawk and Vulture.

While Foz has a decent record of being on the level, there is serious discontent brewing that these changes are specifically PVP and take no account of PVE usage of the ships involved.

You cannot balance based on PVE in a PVP game.

Sorry, you're playing the part of Eve that was added as an afterthought so CCP could say 'we have PVE' on the box in 2003. It's not the game.

forcing the rise of alpha-only strategies

Don't lower resists make alpha-only strategies even more powerful?

If the goal is to weaken alpha-strikes, how about adding modules or game mechanics that reduce possibility of, or the impact of, a massive amount of damage incoming at the same time?

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I fail to see how this change is bad in any form. The modest decrease in ehp/self rep/ remote rep that will be experienced by ships with this resistance bonus is hardly game breaking at any level. The undeniable reality is that this nerf is needed and HAS been needed for years. It's something that has been talked about by veteran pvpers since like forever.

I again ask that the community try and separate themselves from their personal bias and do their best to look at the health of the game as a whole.



Now to comment on your actual suggestion rather than the "even that would be better" remark. Some form of Ewar that would have a modest effect on the amount of RR received could very well be a great solution. Currently there comes a point when fielding many logi that the fights are just far too uneventful. Long fights are fun and all but when it comes down to a fleet of 100 having the proper fleet comp not even loosing a single ship to a fleet of 70 that may not have as many logi in a brawl, something is inherently broken in the overall mechanics of RR Fleet warfare.

Like I said before, if resists in general are the problem, then nerf the resists for all ships by nerfing the resist mods. Don't single out hulls that have an entirely resonable bonus.

And you've consistently been really really really bad at math throughout this thread.

no wonder blobbing is the standard and there is so few things you can do to counter blobbing other than dont fight

And also super overpowered.

Who said "resists in general are the problem?" Besides you, I mean.

All in all, I'm okay with the change - but if you're going to go any lower, you're going to have to get a lot more ship specific, and maybe remove the bonus entirely on some ships and just replace it with a better bonus.

I've made corrections as I have spotted my own errors. My math is fine. I run these numbers at least once a week, so I have plenty of experience in dealing with them. I also have checked them against the output of the EvE ship fitting window, so I know they are good. Note that I am aware I didn't include the stacking penalty for the second invuln in my previous example. Telling me my math is bad without citing my errors means nothing, and is an assertion without merit.

As for nerfing the resistance mods, either ALL resists at current levels are overpowered, or they are not. Case in point, they have expanded the resist nerf to every ship that has a hull resist. If the resists are OP, then nerfing the active buff mods by increasing their cap expense and decreasing their buff amount is really a better option than nerfing hull resists, because it also takes care of people stacking 3 invulns on a resist ship (Which will still be absurdly OP even after the proposed changes.) It also avoids screwing people over who have trained to BS 5 For the Rokh and Abaddon.

Remember, this whole discussion got started when CCP got it into their heads that resists where too good compared to other bonuses, particularly the shield boost bonus.

Don't lower resists make alpha-only strategies even more powerful?

If the goal is to weaken alpha-strikes, how about adding modules or game mechanics that reduce possibility of, or the impact of, a massive amount of damage incoming at the same time?

I've made corrections as I have spotted my own errors. My math is fine . . . Telling me my math is bad without citing my errors means nothing, and is an assertion without merit.

As for nerfing the resistance mods, either ALL resists at current levels are overpowered, or they are not.

Case in point, they have expanded the resist nerf to every ship that has a hull resist. If the resists are OP, then nerfing the active buff mods by increasing their cap expense and decreasing their buff amount is really a better option than nerfing hull resists, because it also takes care of people stacking 3 invulns on a resist ship (Which will still be absurdly OP even after the proposed changes.) It also avoids screwing people over who have trained to BS 5 For the Rokh and Abaddon

Remember, this whole discussion got started when CCP got it into their heads that resists where too good compared to other bonuses, particularly the shield boost bonus.

You mean with a worse bonus. It wouldn't be a Rokh if they did that, the resist and range bonus are the heart and soul of that ship. And if resists in general aren't the problem, then why are 40+ ships up on the chopping block? That sounds like a pretty generalized problem to me.