I would like to keep the status quo but give options to counter or move the role of the ships to more of a defensive ship

ie - The Gellentee and Minmitar 7.5% repair amount move to also include remote ships. so as to compete with their enimies

allow these ships to syphon the damage taken from near by ships to them selves, making them act more cover for the weaker ships.

so maybe reduce their offensive skill by a bit but allow them to also syphon neighbor damaged ships or allow ships to block line of site attacks

may be impossible with the current programming by the Meat shield roll in most MMO's is missing in PVP.

Either case I am mainly a miner so I don't know much about Resists.

allow these ships to syphon the damage taken from near by ships to them selves, making them act more cover for the weaker ships.

GǪ or allow ships to block line of site attacks.

I have a comment not on the change, but the timing
it's a bit late notice for CSM candidates to start campaigning off of these changes, I get the feel that's deliberate;
so you can just roll them through as the new CSM's finding it's own metagame....

I'm going to throw this here since I have a feeling a lot of questions coming up will be along this line:

Why nerf things when you could buff things instead?

This is a question that comes up often in any thread where we are discussing decreasing the power of an item or ship. I can completely understand where it's coming from. Buffing things makes people happy in much larger numbers, it simply feels good to see the effectiveness of your equipment increase. Many other games rely on constantly improving gear to drive engagement in their content and that method of development can work very well for those games.

I'm going to start by quoting my answer to this question from the Heavy Missile thread before Retribution, because what I said there still applies.

I would be lying if I said that we never allow power creep in EVE. It's quite simply much much easier to balance upwards and considering how powerful of a tool it is for creating short term customer satisfaction, some power creep is very hard to avoid. However we do need to be very mindful of how much we let ourselves indulge. There are cases where for the long term health of the game ecosystem we simply have to reduce the power of certain items and ships. We believe this is one of those times. I can promise you that we're committed to eating our vegetables and making adjustments either up or down based on our best estimation of what the game needs. We won't decrease the power of items and ships unless we deem it necessary but we also won't forget that our job is to manage the health of the game over the long term.

Two things, CCP Fozzie:

1. Don't confuse "balanced" with "homogenous"
2. When are exhumers getting the PG and CPU needed to fit proper tanks?

Back in the Dungeons and Dragons days, one would often be granted items which had very nice positives (such as a magical dagger +3 to hit) with an associated negative (such as a drawback for -2 stam). Thus one could make the decision to use the items which provided a better bonus while accepting the drawbacks.

So one might, for example, adjust resist bonuses so that they provide greater EHP while penalising local or remote reps: thus securely fixing resist bonuses as "gank buffer" while people looking for sustained tanks would be drawn to the ships with active repair bonuses (for either local or remote reps).

Thus a Rokh could keep its 5% per level bonus to shield resistances while suffering a -5% bonus to local or remote repair amount per level.

Remove this, nerf that...you killing this game and people do not have reason to play it more because they always apset and feel, theys skills and time now worth nothing.
If you want to create some balance - create new ships with new abbilities and bonuses, and leave Amarr ships like they are, and simply create new ships, or new guns. But no, you from BMW try to do AUDI and from AUDI try to do some chinies cheap copy, and in the end after few changes we will all get some metal scrabs.

Try to create new ships, and not modify 10 times 8 years old ships.
If we will have ships with new abbility - we will have ballance in game by this new combinations of fleets and not reusing 100 times same tactics and after your "ballance" we need to find how the f**k we can do the same now...

I think changing all of those ships at once will be far too much damage for anyone to handle if it goes wrong
as you can see yourself some already bad ships will become worse with this change and I bet some alright ships will become bad and will have to bee looked at quickly
there are quite a few ships that have been build around this bonus and not all of them are op the ferox is just barely competitive
the gila is living of the resist bonus too those and probably others would have to receive a buff in their base hp to make up for this change

Seriously you want to nerf every bonused ship in the game? Nerfing T1 ships is fine but when you start messing with T2 and T3 ships then there is a problem. Do you realize those ships are x2 or x3 times more expensive then what they were several years ago. Sure you do. Nerfing the tanking ability of ships is going to destroy eve fleets and solo alike. Heavy Interdictors need that resist bonus to stay alive so do HAC's and other T2 and T3 ships. People will fly them a lot less when you start messing with them. So what is up with the major power trips over the years its gotten worse with developers over balancing ships and breaking the game. All these changes keep on making radical game changes and play styles.

Its always been adapt or die but now its just getting out of hand. Honestly Heavy Interdictors need 2x more tank then they have right now because they are always primary. I could live with the little changes that have happened over the years but when you start messing with T2 and T3 ships that much then its just madness. That is more then just affecting the ships themselves but also the worth of the training time involved in training for those ships to begin with. Your killing years worth of training time for some of us vets! Reducing the effectiveness of all ships in the game is just crazy. Eve is starting to become nothing like it was and that's a bad thing. On the sci-fi side it makes no sense in Eve's lore that ships would deadvance instead of become more advance as time passed. The lore in eve for technological advancement is not happening. It makes no sense for T3 or T2 ships to lose their technological advantage when over time they should become stronger and not weaker! Of all things T2 ships need a serious buff and not a nerf!

I have never opposed nerfs before really all that much but I feel like this is going too far in breaking and changing the game. Now is the time to stand up to the madness before eve changes so much that it will nolonger be the game I fell in love with all these years ago. if something isn't broke don't fix it. And I know your going to say its broken... tell me then how a ship bonus that has been in eve for 10 years or so just now get fixed? It never was broken until a developer says its broken.

So now when we've ordered about 30-40 of our guys to train for Amarr carriers you'll tell us that you change those carriers.

Can we get those soon-to-be-useless skillpoints back so that we can reassign them to something useful?

How about some consistency and long-term planning, CCP? Slowcats have only been a major doctrine for a year, which means that those who started to train for them some time after they were made a major doctrine will have their training finished around now.

Two things, CCP Fozzie:

1. Don't confuse "balanced" with "homogenous"
2. When are exhumers getting the PG and CPU needed to fit proper tanks?

Back in the Dungeons and Dragons days, one would often be granted items which had very nice positives (such as a magical dagger +3 to hit) with an associated negative (such as a drawback for -2 stam). Thus one could make the decision to use the items which provided a better bonus while accepting the drawbacks.

So one might, for example, adjust resist bonuses so that they provide greater EHP while penalising local or remote reps: thus securely fixing resist bonuses as "gank buffer" while people looking for sustained tanks would be drawn to the ships with active repair bonuses (for either local or remote reps).

Thus a Rokh could keep its 5% per level bonus to shield resistances while suffering a -5% bonus to local or remote repair amount per level.

Is a 5% difference in resists assuming carrier V going to break the doctrine?

Yes

I do not think this change is necessary or a good idea. Sure, a resistance bonus is powerful. So is a rate of fire bonus. That's not a reason to remove it or nerf it. And it is immensely stupid to apply the nerf across the board without regard to whether it is OP.

If it is too powerful when used in conjunction with a buffer tank, slightly lower the armor/shield HP amount on a ship-by-ship basis.

Seriously think long and hard about this before you go nerfing expensive ships like Supercarriers, Dreads, Carriers, T3s, etc.

The only thing keeping many T2 or even T3 ships viable in PvP or PvE are the high resistances.

Additionally, remember that it almost NEVER matters that a resistance bonus makes a ship better at both buffer tank and local tank because the ship is going to rely on one or the other. It just means the ship has some versatility and can be fit more than one way.

It was stated that this is a powerful bonus to all types of tanks, a fact which no proposed alternative has fully addressed as of yet. Reducing base HP still gives an RR effectiveness advantage and local rep effectiveness close to that of ships with active tanking bonuses.

Why are you constantly changing stuff that is not broken ?
5% per level is fine, it was fine 9 years so why change it ?

You're breaking this game up by doing this.

And 1% is so super low that it just doesn't make any sense.
It seems like you want to change that 1% just because you can and to annoy players who are playing for 10 years.

Spidertanking strategies like Slowcat carriers are some of the post powerful tactics in the game, and it's no accident that those strategies rely entirely on resist bonused ships.